18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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KRS-Grun

Trad climber
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
New cave found near Monterrey. We are have bolted two lines so far. Just found it last week. It may be dangerous in Mexico but there sure are a lot of tufas.
Credit: KRS-Grun
Rodrigo on La Vaca Perdida 12a
Rodrigo on La Vaca Perdida 12a
Credit: Cristian Arnaud Faz
Huecool

Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Born and raised in El Paso I've lived near the Mexican border most of my life. IMHO the US should annex Mexico and begin the integration into statehood. This would solidify the US power on this corner of the globe AND ultimately create a peaceful and economically productive environment. I'm sure Canada would like to join the US too (or so I've heard from some of them).

Squint you eyes a little bit and think about it. From the polar cap to the isthmus, all USA, free for us climbers (and workers) to travel about and flourish in! Viva USA!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
It's impossible to tell you're from Texas, if you hadn't said so... Excellent troll by the way !
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:41pm PT

Or return the US southwest to Mexico. Either or.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
But if the US annexed Mexico and Canada, what would you guys do with all the enfranchised socialists and Mexicans ?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Mexico is right here in California....50% of the local school enrollment is Hispanic and many of the local jobs are held by undocumneted workers....I knew this local canadian that got deported because he didn't have his papers...Go figure...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
But if the US annexed Mexico and Canada, what would you guys do with all the enfranchised socialists and Mexicans ?

Send them to Texas?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Isn't that considered cruel and unusual punishment?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 11, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
Isn't that considered cruel and unusual punishment?

For the Mexicans it would be.

So we won't require them to to go Texas.

We'll just offer free land to those who want to move there.

cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Feb 11, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
New cave looks nice. Cartels probably too lazy to hike to the base there.
Then again, would be an easy place to dispose of peeps.
Have some fun down there. Be vigilant.
Still sticking local until we can afford to go to Greece or Thailand. Warm, inexpensive, and pretty darn safe(it appears)
Jonathon
Magic Ed

Trad climber
Nuevo Leon, Mexico
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
What?? You didn't hear about those climbers who were attacked and beaten by a whole village in Peru for not handing over to them their passports?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 11, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Finally !

Tell us what's going on Ed !
gallo

Big Wall climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:42am PT
Rock and ice staff.
Duane Raleigh:
Your article is very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick carefully a single incident and some general statistical data and rush to write this down out of context, inducing the reader to panic without a point of reference. of the real situation and most important:
DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF AN ENTIRE CLIMBING COMMUNITY.
I was last winter in Potrero for a couple of months and things haven't change much since my last visit.
In the last years there are at least a couple hundreds of climbers per season who stay for several weeks at the area without recalling a single notorious incident and the locals (the good and the bad ones) naturally knows who are all this foreing people.
I will notice that you must exercise common sense visiting potrero like you will do in some other out of states adventorous climbing areas like south america or even europe.
Acurate, sencible information is crucial to succed as a climber.
As a columnist of this magazine you owe to the readers a sound judgement
gallo

Big Wall climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:49am PT
TO THE ROCK AND ICE STAFF:
Im just simple a appalled to keep finding this article everywhere; and now to to find out how you decide to keep your posture and the way you present the the facts.
everything thath you stated about mexico in your answer to our posts is true.
IT IS THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENT THE FACTS THAT FALL ON THE SENSATIONALISM.
Again: there is a statistical disproportion of the real... situation in Potrero and the gross numbers (national averages) you are using to ilustrate your point.
As I said before YOU ARE DAMAGING WITH YOUR LACK OF ACCURACY THE IMAGE OF AN ENTIRE CLIMBING COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME.
As a journalist you owe your readers and the People who open in the past their doors to you in potrero an accurate balanced information.

karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:58am PT
Gallo,

I can understand your point, but we are talking about chopped up humans here. Climbing is important, but not being chopped up is more important.
Magic Ed

Trad climber
Nuevo Leon, Mexico
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:58am PT
In spite of this incident everything here is tranquilo. I still feel as safe here as I would going to a movie theatre in Colorado.

Nobody panicked, nobody fled: climbers are still arriving and leaving by land and air. The weather is fabulous and there's lots of big new routes being bolted and climbed.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
I still feel as safe here as I would going to a movie theatre in Colorado.
That (un)safe?
AE

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 13, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
Sometimes climbers don't seem so bright.
Guess who doesn't give a sh#t if you onsite 12d - or dress like a dirtbag - if you likely flew down to their turf, just to climb a lousy piece of stone, you, too, just might be . . . a gringo, de facto rich by any Mexican criteria. And practically worthy of torture and a bullet.
There is a universe of wrong-headed logic that will soon show up here, when people figure out too late that legalizing pot = streamlining the conduit for Cartels to fix the supply side. It will NOT solve the crime problem at all, just as it has NOT in Oregon, California, etc.
No easy answers, except on principle climbers need to be avoiding/boycotting that area; it will only be a matter of time before someone you actually know gets the machete treatment, and your buds certainly can't help you, or say you weren't given fair warning.
MisterE

Social climber
Feb 13, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
I still feel as safe here as I would going to a movie theatre in Colorado.

Now THAT was as succinct as it gets. Thanks, Ed.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 14, 2013 - 08:48am PT
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