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donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Feb 10, 2019 - 10:17pm PT
OK, well I was only using the oregano capsules and the oregano tincture for awhile and no powder mixed with water. Mostly the capsules. As it turned out I could feel it was not enough. I get this strange tightness across my shoulder blades and I get a pain in my shoulder joints from using the mouse on my computer telling me the dose is too weak. So, I have added the powder back that you can see I was using before the oregano and I can see a difference.

The oregano capsules are expensive, so I found a powder oregano that I can double or triple the dose for at a cheaper rate. That is, the quality is not as good but I can afford a lot more volume. See photo below.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Feb 10, 2019 - 11:27pm PT

stupid link!

anyway, I wanted to comment about my energy level.

From 1-100 I think I am between 95-100 for what has been typical for me. If I get 4 hours sleep it makes no difference. I run around all day and don't take any breaks.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 5, 2019 - 07:25pm PT
King Tut Wrote: "I just don't get why someone thinks he has something to contribute about style for others, let alone on rock climbs he will never touch? "

Well ... anyway ... about my physical progress ... they have these climbs at the gym I went to every day for one month. I started out on the 5.8 and now have worked my way up to the 5.11. The 5.11 at the gym are over or under rated. I did all the 5.11-5.8. Now I am working on the 5.11-5.12- I think I will have it in my hiking boots soon. But the problem is that I fear I may still have the bugs. Now, the danger is that my muscles will develop faster then my joints, and then blow them out. So ... I can only go so fast as my joints will allow. So far so good. We shall see what happens as time progresses. But if I get good enough I will prove Tut wrong ... maybe not ... that looks like too much commitment------5.13- is enough for me, when I get there.


One thing we now know, is that exercise kills those bugs that live in the joints ... but if you jump up out of the couch then you can do permanent damage. But I do not think you can kill all the bugs in the joints by exercise alone, pretty sure about that.

In the mean time, I still eat onions and all that hot junk.
The powdered oregano is key. I am taking around 6 pills 2 or three times a day. And I have been taking the powder once or twice a day of oregano and cats claw and Japanese knot-weed. And I use the tinctures.

I stay away from sugar and milk and sometimes bread. I think I am allergic to nuts, so I am limiting those to cut down on inflammation. I have a little rose-face I want to see disappear, which I think has something to do with that almond butter.

I also take some collagen pills.

My brain seems to be working OK, although once in a while I get stuck on some stupid idea for a day. But over all I would say my capacity of higher IQ is increasing. Not sure if Kingtut would agree with that one.

If I get bit again I would not take the antibiotics, although I think I should have started out with them first.

Just saw this thing: https://www.ampcoil.com/lyme-help?gclid=CjwKCAiA2fjjBRAjEiwAuewS_dpObJ1ypDuPsTO5r73KjE1JAkznYPc_TosV-tKQBD5zpVvKGS-RUBoCUUoQAvD_BwE

Looks expesive.

I would get it if I thought it would help, but at this point it seems to me that I have zero symptoms, my energy leaves are higher then they ever have been. The only problem I can see this month is that I need to take more powder rather then avoid it. I need to take twice a day or three times, but I don't. In other words, I have an bad attitude when it comes to drinking dirt.

And I forgot to mention the breathing.

Also, I don't use American Herb and Spice, I use UpNature now. AHS is way too expensive, and they cut it with olive oil - even worse. I think you need to use only what they squeeze out of a load of it if you want to make progress because they use a ton of it to get what they have in those little bottles---I am talking about products like Plant Guru now not AHS. Both are okay if you money is not a problem.

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 11, 2019 - 06:22pm PT

Just thought I would bring you guys up to date. I got a little sprain in my wrist for a couple of days. Not sure what that was about but it is better now.

I upgraded my medication as you can see in the photo above. Up Nature is affordable, that North American Spice is too expensive, maybe with everything going that way was around $18.00 a day. Not sure what it is now, but it is going to be a lot less using those bags you see in the photos of oregano and Japanese Knotweed. The other companies do not cut their product with olive oil like North American spice does, their one ounce oil mix is $30 and the undiluted 4 oz up oregano was only $21.88 and both have the same percentage of carzalrol, around 65% in the oregano itself.

For supper I had hamburger with onions and peppers, garlic, ginger, jalapino peppers, tumeric. I usually put some sea salt and Indian spices on it and then I get some probiotics and hydroelectric acid pill.

My shoulders are doing pretty good now, I can sleep on my side. I took break from the climbing gym but I worked today, and I have zero brain fog since before Christmas.

If you use that juice, watch yourself, it's really strong stuff. I can imagine if you contracted Lyme it would kill it in one day if you took enough of it.

I take some clove bud now and then, but that stuff tastes like floor cleaner and I do not like it. I think that stuff is the strongest junk, even stronger then the turpentine.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 20, 2019 - 02:05pm PT

From what I can figure, I was bit around August 2nd 2017. After feeling sluggish around 2-3 weeks later I realized I probably had Lyme, and then I get the bulls eye. Finding a doctor to answer a questions was impossible on a Friday night, so over the weekend I decided to do it myself. All those guys wanted from me was my money. Looking back I suppose I could have tried that antibiotics and would suggest them to people when they first get Lyme. But those guys what to see blood tests to find out if you have it, when in the only sure way to tell is by symptoms.

I have been slacking off on the herbs, not sure if I am ready yet for that. I am just getting lazy. I feel better then before I got bit. The big problem was figuring out how much and what kind of junk to take.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Mar 20, 2019 - 02:24pm PT
I upgraded my medication as you can see in the photo above.

Medication would indicate you are taking "medicine".... none of that is medicine, but it *is* a massive assortment of #woo_fukery. Hope you get better... time, placebo, whatever is at play here.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 21, 2019 - 05:22pm PT

I cut down on my placebo for a few days and started to get just a tinge of a headache, starting some jaw joint pain, near invisible swelling of the feet all today. Well maybe the swelling of the feet started a few days ago, but it is not real swelling, it just seems like it could be, its hard to explain. You need to know your body I guess.

So I need to go back to twice a day and add an extra at 12:00. The good news is that I have no pain in my shoulders for months at a time or brain fog and I can climb 5.11+.

Lets see, so now I'll take some turpentine and 10 capsule and some dirt tasting knot weed. I'll let you know how fast I get back to being sick without the symptoms. This time though I am not using the $400 per month pills, I am going down the low road.

By this point you may be thinking "Lyme is like this guys toy, what would he do without it?" Well, that would in part be correct, I am toying with it, and I really don't care. But I guess I have to kick it up a notch to make sure the bugs don't eat all my brains. Man, I hate that taste of that powder. Here it goes again!

Russ, do you remember passing me with two guys on the Nose, I was using a cot as a portaledge? No, I think that was John Middendorf instead.

Important info: Japanese Knotweed: KW is a systemic antimicrobial that crosses the blood-brain barrier, and it is protective of the central nervous system. It is a particularly good source of resveratrol, the age-defying substance found in grapes and wine that everybody is talking about. But unlike grapes, JKW provides trans-resveratrol, the form most readily utilized by the body.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Mar 21, 2019 - 05:55pm PT
Just checking in. Lyme pretty much killed Dan as I mentioned way early in the thread. I have his journals which describe the last 6 months of his life and all he was going through. Folks, please treat this seriously and find a lyme doctor fast. At least there are a few out there now.......

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 21, 2019 - 10:36pm PT
Well, whatever date that was you really needed to have headed to a doctor for some antibiotics...
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 22, 2019 - 06:15am PT
Without knowing it, my dose was too low all this time. I am now doubling it.

As for the Antibiotics, when they fail, if they fail the Japanese Knotweed succeeds. KW is a systemic antimicrobial that crosses the blood-brain barrier, and it is protective of the central nervous system. It’s also anti-inflammatory and supports immune function. JKW is a “double duty” supplement that offers many profound benefits beyond antimicrobial properties. It is a particularly good source of resveratrol, the age-defying substance found in grapes and wine that everybody is talking about. But unlike grapes, JKW provides trans-resveratrol, the form most readily utilized by the body.

I was not sure if I still had Lyme or not, but now that I slacked off for a week it has become apparent that I still do have them hiding inside me happy with the the twice a day.

Going to the doctor is a good idea if you happen to find the right one. Ultimately, you need to know more then the doctor about your own body and what to do and what not to do. I am getting to that point now. If I use the Antibiotics they will not work unless I take enough of my supplements with them to dissolve the biofilms. Stephen Harrod Buhner said in his book that he doesn't care about antibiotics----any reputable doctor who will go the antibiotic route also needs to incorporate the Stephen Harrod Buhner as well. If not the antibiotics may or may not work.

I am going to hold off on the antibiotics for the time being. Sorry about your loss Lynne, it must have been a tough ride for Dan---so sad.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 22, 2019 - 07:15am PT
If you didn't take antibiotics in the initial 2-4 weeks you're probably past the point where antibiotics are going to do a lot for you. The deal is hitting it before it gets established. After that, it's a persistent problem and a circumstance one is best to avoid.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 22, 2019 - 10:23am PT
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Mar 22, 2019 - 11:42am PT
15+ years ago we were told by every doctor we went to, "There is absolutely no lyme tick or disease in Southern California." Six months after Dan died the State of California Department of Public Health sent out a flyer to every physician in the state informing them there was indeed an outbreak here and they had better learn to identify it and treat it. Of course I've said all this earlier up thread. A young female newscaster from San Diego knew she had Lyme and was pretty much ridiculed by several physicians.

Of course hindsight is always better......we did our very best! I formally presented the hospital physicians with all Dan's Lyme journal notes and made sure they were in his hospital health file. Perhaps they would help someone else.

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Mar 22, 2019 - 01:17pm PT
So, what are good tick repellents? The snow is melting here and the season is coming; typically I stay out of the low brush/grass terrain around here during the season, but wish I could do some of the conditioning hikes around here. I was up Goat Peak early last year when there was still a lot of snow; there were ticks at the summit crawling around on the snow. Any recommendations for good repellents?

A good friend of mine was the first Lyme disease case in Washington; he's recovered well from it.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 24, 2019 - 05:16pm PT
Protect you and your family from ticks and Lyme Disease with Protec-X repellent


However, what works even better is just get Lyme, like me. I used to be so afraid of the disease, now I could care less if I get bit or not. I don't use any repellent, ha! Cure the fear not the Lyme! Well, there is some truth in that, if I ever figure this thing out. I think I am almost there. Give me a couple of more days of dirt 5 times a day and I'll be as good as gold climbing like a tick.

But if I was you!, I would advise you to get a hazmat suit. I used to use those when hiking to Millbrook, and we collected a lot of ticks back then, they are easy to spot. Get the ones with the booties attached, like the one below. Be careful though, they can get hot, so you have to take off your pants until you get to the crag. There now in style, but no one has figured that out yet. Too bad I was not wearing one the day I go crawled on. That was stupid.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Mar 25, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
The best way to get the scoop on whats going on and what has been discussed here, with excellent input
is to review what a google search reveals...The Link takes you to the search page that has a 1/2 dozen or so threads.


 Permethrin-for all clothing, although"
 children are treated 'topically' with it for lice...

Living in Connecticut, basically, ground zero;

Ticks and the risk illness have severely affected the places and the way I act when I do go into the woods.

The fear of the risk of illness has a greater effect on my activities than I can explain.

We almost never take the dog anywhere for fear of tics getting into the cars!

I only go to 3 or 4 places that I have been spraying for years.

I start now as the snow melts walking the zones with a narrow rake, spraying.

Then as soon as I can (by June) I try to burn the small plies and spray the fire line with yard-guard or similar & Permethrin.
I also use Deet (till my lips tingle).

I fear the big "C" from all this but the immediacy of misery &* medical expenses from another strong Tick-borne illness, that is more likely is a greater worry.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 26, 2019 - 12:54am PT
However, what works even better is just get Lyme, like me. I used to be so afraid of the disease, now I could care less if I get bit or not.

There are numerous strains of the disease, it would still be best to avoid getting bitten.

Re-infection with different a B. Burgdorferi strain can cause a super-infection in mice

And that's just B. Burgdorferi as opposed to all the other Borrelia strains out there and non-Lyme co-infections.

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 26, 2019 - 06:27am PT
The Sawyer spray that the Gnome posted above I buy by the case, literally. A combo of that on all clothing and real DEET on all exposed skin works very well, but is a total PITA to apply well.

The alternative is an incurable crippling painful disease which strips people of their physical and cognitive abilities.

And as mentioned above there are about 5 other common also very dangerous diseases carried by those little bastards....

Tom Bruskotter

Trad climber
Mar 26, 2019 - 07:07am PT
"Subjects wearing permethrin-treated sneakers and socks were 73.6 times less likely to have a tick bite than subjects wearing untreated footwear."

Not 73% less likely to get a tick bite. 73X less likely!!

Tick Bite Protection With Permethrin-Treated Summer-Weight Clothing


Put it on your outdoor shoes and clothes. Not on your skin. I put a bit of DEET on the vulnerable ankles, waist, head, neck also.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 27, 2019 - 09:25am PT
Dan Lyon says the ticks are so happy they just crawl right over that ... they know the deal and they ain't waiting any more on that blade of grass! What Dan does is he rolls up his pants to his knees and waits to feel them coming. I have not tried that yet, but it might be the 2nd best idea after my white hazmat suit. Maybe I should start practicing the use of those now, hummmm---I need to order if so.

healyje wrote: "Re-infection with different a B. Burgdorferi strain can cause a super-infection in mice. And that's just B. Burgdorferi as opposed to all the other Borrelia strains out there and non-Lyme co-infections."

I already knew that, my thinking is if you are pumped up with the right herbs a new Borrelia would not take hold. That's a very risky assumption I admit as healyje rightly pointed out, it would be better to continue to stay freaked out. When I get to the point where I am cured and not pounding down ounces of oregano I will be like the rest of you because:

Now that I am into this relapse from slacking off I realize that it may take 2 weeks to get back on top. It has been about 7 days and I got this lock-jaw trying to come in. I can not chew too well. I think we are now making the U turn back to where I was before. Apparentally the way this thing seems to work is, it's like fulling a gas tank, and it is not till your almost full that anything works right, in the meantime the bugs are drilling holes everywhere. But this was nessasry in order to understand that my method was never enough to erradicate it, only to keep it at bay. This time I am going to take it more often, as well as use better and and cheeper sources. That North American Herb and Spice cost $200 for a week, that's $600 a month just for 8-10 powder caps a day along with some oil. What differance does it make if it comes from the organic wild mountains of Greece if you live near to a oil refinery and an incinerator? I hung up the phone and got the same think for $10.00 from https://www.bulkapothecary.com/oregano-essential-oil/ But I have to cut it with my own olive oil 50/50. They do not need to charge $39 for one oz when you can get what should be the same thing from Italy for $9 but that you have to add your own olive oil. Maybe the olive oil is more expensive then the oregano? But this is what Crass Ingram recommends for some reasons, even though as I told the person on the phone before I hung up, that their prices are cost prohibitive of my ever getting rid of the disease. Typical. Granted, they come up with some great ideas, and we should be grateful for that, and they even have deal with the Big Pharma liars funded liars,
[Oregano Supplement Marketers Agree to Pay $2.5 Million to Settle FTC Charges for False Advertising Claims August 12, 2008
TAGS: Consumer Protection The marketers of a line of dietary supplements have agreed to pay $2.5 million to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that claims about their oregano oil and capsules were false and unsubstantiated in violation of federal law. According to the FTC’s complaint, North American Herb & Spice Co., LLC, and its owner, Judy Kay Gray, falsely claimed that Oreganol P73, Super Strength Oreganol P73, and Oregacyn (currently sold as OregaRESP) are scientifically proven to prevent or treat colds and flu.]
, but do we need to become so indebted we become slaves in a similar manner as we would to Big Pharma?

Lyme Can Be Killed. New Research Shows Oregano Oil Dissolves Biofilm

Breaking news: Carvacrol and other Naturally Occurring Phenolic Compounds Dissolve Lyme Biofilm Layers, Killing Deadly Pathogens
Updated, 3-13-18

As has been stated here, repeatedly, wild oregano oil is the lead therapeutic agent for the natural treatment of Lyme disease through the dissolution of the germ biofilm. For over five years through the book The Lyme Disease Cure and via personal, as well as clinical, experience, it has been determined that phenolic compound-rich essential oils are the most effective Lyme disease treatment therapies known.

It is now clear, because of the highly beneficial results seen, that such oils must be recommended as the primary treatment for Lyme disease and the various tick-borne co-infections.

This has now been confirmed by a recent scientific study by J. Feng and S. Zhang, along with fellow investigators, where the Lyme bacillus was specifically treated with various essential oils. Here, the investigators determined, oregano oil was highly aggressive in destroying the Lyme biofilm layer, as were oils of cinnamon and clove bud, these being the most potent of all oils tested. Upon destroying that protective layer the oregano, cinnamon, and clove oils caused complete destruction of the germs. Of these, however, oregano oil was most potent, which was attributed to is rich content of the highly antiseptic phenolic compound, carvacrol.

Caption: wild oregano growing directly out of a rocky crevice

It was also on this blog, as well as in The Lyme Disease Cure, that it has been made clear, categorically, that the phenolic compounds in wild sage are also highly antagonist to the Lyme bacillus and also act to dissolve biofilms.

Noted the researchers, the oils “completely eradicated all viable cells,” a most monumental result. The exceptional potency of oregano oil was attributed to its rich content of the phenolic compound carvacrol, which directly dissolves the Lyme biofilm membrane. Once it dissolves this protective coating, which the bacteria produce to avoid immune surveillance, the germ can be killed, completely destroyed by the oregano oil phenolic compounds. The fact is what they and others have discovered is that carvacrol fully disrupts, or essentially shatters, the cell membranes of such pathogens after it dissolves the sticky, protective biofilm.

Here, often, antibiotics fail. In fact, in many cases the germs produce the anti-immune system biofilm in response to being stressed by such drugs.

Typically, for Lyme and its co-infections as a front-line therapy wild oregano oil has been recommended. However, efficacy is dependent upon a number of factors. The oil must ideally be fully wild-source. It should also be whole food, that is unrefined. Additionally, for optimal results it should contain a higher percentage of carvacrol than average, ideally over 75%. At levels of 80% or higher there is even greater efficacy, which rises exponentially with these richer levels.

There is now available an exceptionally potent form of this oil sporting a carvacrol level of up to 85.5%. Known as OregaUltra, this extremely potent natural complex contains only wild-source carvacrol, unlike cheaper imitations, which contain the added synthetic type. Here, too, the technique of double distillation should be kept in mind, where levels of this active ingredient are artificially raised by driving off other components. This ‘ultra-rich’ carvacrol-based formula is extremely potent and provides benefits even in modest doses such as five to ten drops twice daily.

The wild-source, carvacrol-rich oregano oil is relatively rare, arising from certain high-mountain areas as high as 12,000 feet above sea level. This makes the ‘ultra’ form exceedingly powerful because it is such a high carvacrol formula, making it ideal for supporting a powerful cleansing and immune response against this condition.

Other studies have shown that carvacrol-rich essential oils induce the dissolution of biofilms produced by salmonella, staph, strep, and E. coli. Even the drug-resistant forms of these germs, including the potentially deadly MRSA and E. coli O17:H7 have been found to succumb. This proves that any such essential oil complexes will prove lifesaving in the event of infection by such pathogens.

Certain formulas contain complexes of these antibiofilm oils. These formulations include those containing edible spice oils from sage, cumin, clove bud, bay leaf, and cinnamon oils. Look for such formulas to support the powers of high-carvacrol oregano oil as a natural means to combat these horrific, potentially deadly biofilm-based infectious diseases. If only the hospitals would take advantage of this knowledge, yearly, countless thousands of lives would be saved.


Feng, J., Zhang, S., Shi, W., Zubcevik, N., Miklossy, J., and Y.Zhang. 2017. Selective essential oils from spice or culinary herbs have high activity against stationary phase and biofilm Borrelia burgorferi. Front. Med. 11:169.

Gaio, V., Lima, C.A., Oliveira, F., Franca, A., and N. Cerca. 2017. Carvacrol is highly disruptive against coagulase-negative staphylococci in in vitro biofilms. Future Microbiol. 12:1487.

Ingram. C. 2017. The Lyme Disease Cure. Lake Forest, IL: Knowledge House.

Nostro, A., et al. 2012. Enhanced activity of carvacrol against biofilm of Staphylococcous aureus and Staphylococcus epidermidis in an acidic environment. APMIS. 120:967.

Wijesundara, N.M. and H.P.V. Rupasinghe. 2018. Essential oils form Origanum vulgare and Salvia officinalis exhibit antibacterial and anti-biofilm activities against Streptococcus pyogenes. Microb. Pathog. 117:118-127.

BTW, the number one herb mentioned by the Bible is hyssop, maybe this is oregano? I see it a couple of times in the New Testament as well.

HYSSOP (Hebr. ; so rendered after the Septuagint and the Vulgate; comp. also Josephus, "B. J." vi. 3, § 4):

By: Emil G. Hirsch, I. M. Casanowicz
There is great uncertainty as to what specific plant is intended either by the Hebrew "ezob" or by the Greek ύσσωπος, nor is it clear that the words are identical. The Greek ὕσσωπος was credited with purifying qualities (comp. Dioscorides, i. 105, iii. 30; Pliny, "Hist. Naturalis," xxvi. 15 et seq.; Porphyry, "De Abstin." iv. 6), and is commonly identified with the Origanum Smyrnœum or O. Syriacum, belonging to the order Labiatœ. The Hebrew "ezob" is described as a small plant found on or near walls (I Kings iv. 33), apparently of aromatic odor, so that it was burned with the Red Heifer (Num. xix. 6). It was also used in the purification of lepers and leprous houses (Lev. xiv. 4, 6, 49, 51; comp. Num. xix. 18; Ps. li. 9), and in the sprinkling of the blood of the paschal lamb on the door-posts (Ex. xii. 22).

The "ezob" is evidently not common hyssop (Hyssopus officinalis), which is not a native of Palestine. The Talmud (see below) also distinguishes the ezob of the Pentateuch from the Greek and Roman hyssop. Maimonides (on Neg. xiv. 6) interprets "ezob" by the Arabic "ṣa'tar," denoting some species of Satureia, which is cognate to the Origanum and of which the S. Thymbra is found in Palestine; so also the other old Jewish exegetes, as Saadia in his Arabic translation of the Pentateuch; Ḳimḥi in his "Oẓar ha-Shorashim," s.v.; Abu al-Walid, etc. Some modern authorities would identify the ezob with the caper-plant (Capparis spinosa), which abounds in Egypt, in the Sinaitic peninsula, and in Palestine, and the cleansing properties of which seem to have been traditional in the Orient. This view finds support in the similarity of "ezob" to "aṣaf," the Arabic name for the caper.

In Neg. xiv. 6 and parallels are enumerated, besides the ezob of the Pentateuch, five other kinds, namely, the Greek, the colored, the wild, the Roman, and that "with some [other] epithet." For the regulations of the ritual use of the ezob, see Parah xi., xii.; in Parah xi. 8 the ezob is considered as a wood; while in Suk. 13a it is counted among the reeds and branches with which the booth may be covered. With allusion to I Kings iv. 33 the ezob is metaphorically applied to the humble and lowly (M. Ḳ. 25b).

J. Forbes Royle, On the Hyssop of Scripture, in Jour. Royal Asiatic Soc. viii. 193-212;
Tristram, Nat. Hist. p. 455.
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