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ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Nov 22, 2018 - 09:18am PT
Tobia,

Me too. Lap swimming every other day but any ways 50 years of lap swimming. One of the best ways to stay in shape, eh?

Well that's what I've been told. We cool by sweating right? So our pores open up and put moisture onto our skin, which cools us. Body in the water; no need for body to sweat. I never noticed any sweating when I get out of the pool but if you were still warm enough after you dried out maybe then?

Can anyone verify this, one way or the other?

Arne
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 23, 2018 - 10:38am PT
Stolen from the interwebz:

The Australian Institute of Sport did a detailed study of the Australian Swimming Team in Atlanta in 1995 to arrive at this conclusion, measuring an average of 125 ml of sweat lost per kilometer swum. Additional findings: male swimmers sweated more than female swimmers, and sweat loss increased with anaerobic threshold training.
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Dec 1, 2018 - 08:25am PT
ionlysky,

I was swimming for triathlon training back then, I noticed the sweating on days when I was doing fast paced mile swims and interval laps more often than the longer endurance focused lap swimming.

100% in agreement as a way to stay in shape. I learned one interesting thing about swimming in exercise physiology course work is that it is the least efficient exercise for fat-burning. That seems like an oddity, but it has been been heavily researched and documented.

It is certainly indicative of how hard competitive or serious swimmers train, most are lean and honed.

edit:

↓ I apologize about the name typo, however in doing so, it dawned on me how you came up with it, "i only ski" I laughed at myself due to years of seeing it and sometimes writing it, but never catching on to the creativeness of your moniker. I don't mind poking a little fun at myself, after all I am just another stoopid american.

The low fat metabolism in swimming is not related to the number of calories burned, but the point at which the onset of fat is being metabolized for energy. It has been been 30 years since I was a student in that field. I recall that the o² uptake of elite swimmers was lower when swimming averaged less than the max VO² levels obtained by the same athletes reached while cycling.

Sweating lowers the core temperature by convection, radiation and evaporation (dripping sweat is mainly water loss and poor cooling efficiency). Obviously it is hard for the evaporation to occur when you are in a pool, but sweating will occur if your core temperature gets high enough or the water temperature is at a level where your core temperature rises. In other words, you can sweat in a whirlpool or sauna.

I'm aware this wasn't the question at hand, but the science of exercise physiology intrigues me, especially the little understood mysteries related above.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Dec 1, 2018 - 08:35am PT
Agreed Toby. I can see how working that hard maybe you could indeed sweat in water. But still everything else I've read talks about the human body not gaining any cooling power by sweating when humidity on the skin reaches a certain level.

I haven't been racing now in some years and yes, mostly lap swim. I never bought into the idea that swimming wasn't all that great for losing weight. My take on it was that the activity is so exhausting that swimmers tend to eat more to make up for the calorie burn, so yeah, they don't lose weight.

I know this has been some thread drift but what I was really after was to call back Don Perry to explain how he knows he actually does sweat in the hot tub when conventional wisdom says no.

Arne
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2018 - 05:54am PT


Mainstream media, not peer reviewed although they do say Johns Hopkins University research. You pays yer money you takes yer chances. I'm sharing because this is both interesting and appropriate. Hopefully it can be of use to folks who need it like Donald Perry. Titled: Garlic holds promise in treating lingering Lyme disease, research finds


"By Meredith Cohn The Baltimore Sun (TNS) Dec 3, 2018 Updated 17 hrs ago


Oils from garlic and other common herbs and medicinal plants are showing promise in the lab for treating the bacteria that causes Lyme disease, and may prove especially useful in treating those who continue to have symptoms after antibiotic treatment, Johns Hopkins University researchers have found.

The findings, still in the early stages, come just after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data showing that tick-borne diseases such as Lyme are on the rise nationwide. Last year, state and local health departments reported 59,349 cases, up from 48,610 the years before. The case numbers have been rising for years to last year’s record, though the reasons are unknown.

Maryland reported 1,887 cases of Lyme last year, 13 more than in 2016, according to the state Department of Health.

Cases are not always diagnosed, and Hopkins researchers say there are likely 300,000 new cases of Lyme annually in the United States. For most people, a course of doxycycline or other antibiotic clears up the infection in a few weeks.

But 10 to 20 percent experience lasting symptoms that include fatigue and joint pain.

Some researchers have speculated that this persistent Lyme infection, or post-treatment Lyme disease, is a new disorder triggered by the initial infection. The Hopkins researchers also say the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia burgdorferi, can enter a stationary or slow-growing phase, and so-called persister cells from the bacteria are more resistant to antibiotics.

Lyme disease research in Howard County seeks best ways to reduce tick populations

The oils from garlic and other herbs may prove better than antibiotics at tackling those cells, according to the Hopkins study, published Oct. 16 in the journal Antibiotics.

The research included lab-dish tests of 35 essential oils, pressed from plants or their fruits. Ten of these, including oils from garlic cloves, myrrh trees, thyme leaves, cinnamon bark, allspice berries and cumin seeds, showed the strongest killing activity against the Lyme persister cells.

“We found that these essential oils were even better at killing the persister forms of Lyme bacteria than standard Lyme antibiotics,” said study senior author Dr. Ying Zhang, professor in the department of molecular microbiology and immunology in the Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Zhang previously found that antibiotic combinations and drugs used to treat resistant bacteria, such as MRSA, work better than standards antibiotics in treating Lyme disease. He plans to test the oils in animals and later in humans."

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/garlic-holds-promise-in-treating-lingering-lyme-disease-research-finds/article_c87fe1ca-3b2a-5d5d-a5be-d1c6b155b48d.html

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 4, 2018 - 06:22am PT
Allicin is the component of garlic which is of interest as a potent antimicrobial but it isn't present in the garlic per se but rather is rapidly formed by the action of the enzyme Allinase when garlic is cut or crushed. Crushing is recommended.
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2018 - 09:14am PT
^^ good to know^^

In case no one else noticed, Donald was rubbing oil and hot water on his head to alleviate his headaches back in 2017. That kind of info should be invaluable to those of us falling to this bullshit next, but some of you on this thread gave him crap over it. The research is coming around to lining up with his views now, not the reverse.

Not too late to apologize to the man and thank him for sharing.


(I don't denigrate conventional medicine and would have been all over the dox myself, but do know that they have huge gaps in their knowledge. Knowledge is where you get it, and this multiple tick borne illness's are still getting worked on and it's best to keep an open mind)
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Dec 4, 2018 - 09:20am PT
What about his claim to sweating out all his toxins in the hot tub? Still waiting for elaboration on that.

Arne
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 4, 2018 - 03:14pm PT
Going in to see my doctor on Thursday, it’s possible that I may have Lyme. Scary, I hope my intuition is wrong.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 5, 2018 - 11:37pm PT
Yea, the hot water from the shower worked a for an hour here or there, but when I got in the tub and cooked like a lobster at around 112 I think, that killed the meningitis. Well, last week I got a pain in my ankle after I ate three bowls of cereal and that pain was creeping up to my knee, I got more serious with the oregano and it went away and was gone in a week. No trouble since.

Now I going to add some more junk now that I know I got the Lyme on the run.

1. Wim Hof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMjhwFE1Zw

2. Abandoned cure for all diseases as told by Merck Chemical = Turpentine baby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxvyqSLT4w

I saw a different video about turpentine about 8 months ago, I thought the guy was totally insane. But really old people used to use it all their lives. And it kills Lyme faster. So, I order some tonight after I did some more research, seems pretty reasonable actually.

What really freaks me out though is G5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-UEuOYOED4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qt5B39LB7c


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 6, 2018 - 05:45am PT
Turpentine Donald? Comon...

Read this real study. Real herbal/oil stuff killing real Lyme.....In vitro at least. Change that to en DJP...

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2017.00169/full

By the same guy who found the original triple-abx cocktail that seemed to kill all tested forms (for at least the strain they were using).

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 8, 2018 - 07:55am PT
That was interesting, how they talk about oregano, cinnamon bark, clove bud. That paper is mad-long. I just started the oreganol and I think it works better than Japanese Knotweed powder, I am beginning to think it is better to use the tinctures. But I just got the Turpentine made from the days of what you read in the Merck Manual. After some study I am convinced it is supper strong and safe 2 X a week. 90 year old lades have been taking it all their life for all sorts of things.

I am doing 5.10s now but my shoulders are somewhat sensitive.

I think that should improve over time now that I am using all these different kinds of Oregano. I am adding the breathing and turpentine just to be safe.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 14, 2018 - 07:05pm PT

I could not eat the whole plate, it was too hot. You know you have the right recipe when sweat is pouring down your face and the salt is getting in your eyes while you're eating. Jalapeno peppers, red onions, garlic, ginger, bell peppers, 3 eggs, Himalayan salt, turmeric. Juiced carrots and beats. No bread if you can help it, if not white gluten free, no milk, no oil-use butter in the pan instead as well as on the salad.

You guys need to build me a Monument. Where are you going put it?

Thanks FEAR for the input [https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2017.00169/full]





Your kisses lift me higher
https://youtu.be/-wJXiQEjVgQ

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 25, 2018 - 02:15pm PT
I recently discovered that there is a big difference between a raw onion and a cooked one. I am now eating my bell peppers and onions as raw as possible, I steam them a little. I was amazed at how hot a slice of onion is as it goes right through the top of the head. I think this is a new breakthrough. On gluten free bread I put a big slice of onion along with garlic etc.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 29, 2018 - 10:45am PT
Take a look at this: Yes there is a once and done cure for athlete's foot. Given as how an infection especially in older people can be next to impossible to cure this - to me - seemed almost like a divine revelation. I'd been doing some research on the topic. Apparently I am aging and the Doctor's pill the Lamisil the Lotramin the chlorine and vinegar soaks - yadda yadda all of it is mostly useless for me especially in winter when I gotta keep my feet covered because it's friggin cold and - - wouldn't you know it sometimes my feet perspire and - - - well - - - it's a vicious cycle. Anyway: Gasoline. Yep, that's the cure. The Ancients used turpentine. I suppose mineral spirits would work about as well. One 8 - 10 second soak and the fungus is gone. Gone. I even have a concurring result from a Physician who had an incurable case of it and tried Gasoline.He published it in a letter to the editor in JAMA. April 11, 1931, Vol 96, No. 15 http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=253566 So when people tell you that a cure takes a week or more just smile and whip out that gas can. When I was a kid Kerosene was the magical instantaneous absolutely sure fire cure-all for parasites like lice and crabs. That too was once and done.

From https://thepatriotwoodworker.com/forums/topic/15509-once-done-cure-for-athletes-foot/

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 31, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
Symptoms: Hay you guys, starting from Sept. 26th post till now that's over 60 days, so far so good no symptoms, no swelling. I admit did have a little pain in my pointer joint a few days ago, but took some of my tinctures as usual and the problem went away right away. I admit I had a cramp in my foot driving to Trenton one day as well. I wear tight boots sometimes ... I took some tincture did some walking and it went away right away. Cramps are a symptom, although I was wearing tight boots that I solo in, I solo in hiking boots, easy climbs. That was two times in 61 days, something is going on here! I have indeed risen from the dead!

Sitting: Now guys, I have been very busy writing a book. So, during this time I been sitting doing nothing for pretty much all of November and December, I admit I went to the gym on 28/11, 30/11, and December 4th 17th, 27th, 29th, 30th. I did not do anything that intense, a few climbs, and did not stay for more than an hour or two. And I also rode my bike maybe 4 times about two miles and walked around in the subway for a few hours. Not much exercise at all. No trips to the Gunks, no actual climbing. Now I can do 5.10 at the gym, some of the ratings are really off though, and yesterday I did 10 climbs for about an hour and a half. My shoulder which was cracking when I moved it is getting much better and is getting full of meat.

Prescription: For the last, close to 3 weeks, I have not used the powder because I do not like the taste, which is a mistake. I think that the tinctures are more powerful, last night I had one tablespoon of Japaneses Knotweed added to water. And I had it one time before that in the last few weeks. But always do take those oregano pills as prescribed, see previous post along with tinctures. And I take collagen, I saw Lyme video on that, so I take that 2 times a day, and maybe a stomach acid pill, Betaine HCI.

Cured? Ideally, I think I will stay with less meat, and a lot of garlic and jalapeno, ginger, onion turmeric. And I can back that up with some of the tinctures in case I get bit again. The turpentine, only one time a week is all I think I need if at all, I have not been doing that so much, that stuff scares me. But the clove bud tastes a lot worse. And I will in fact take it with the Japanese Knot-weed twice a day for now because it numbs my tongue so I do not have to taste that awful dirt. The other powders I think are optional at this point. Not sure if all the bugs are dead, I have my doubts, so I am going to increase my dose when I get the Lyme tincture of Japanese Knotweed combo I ordered a month ago.

Guarantee:
I was in a terrible depression today 12/31 and started doing the Wim Hof method for that, I feel a lot better, and it makes your body non-alkaline. And clicking around I came across this:

Wim Hof Method | Lyme Disease Trial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGxjb46Mbmo
https://wimhofmethod.freshdesk.com/support/solutions

So I think I should include the Wim Hof method in my daily routine of spicy food, tinctures, and some powders.

These people are heavily dependent on the Wim Hof method, so add to that all of the above what is left to do?

I was thinking a next step would be to deliberately introduce different stains of Lyme into my body, and I think I could do this and be successful. But I think it is much better that if some of you guys who are already in the greater chronic points in the disease, who are willing to stop the prescription drugs, can use the above methods. I would not be willing to take my self all the way back to a chronic point and start over from there and that is where the real starting point should be. If you have some permanent damage already that is a greater challenge, but it should allow your immune system to kill all of the bugs and do a lot more then anything else will.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 31, 2018 - 08:38pm PT
"Can you give me a breakdown Donald of the 'dosages' of the herbals that you're taking that you've got in the picture there?"

For the powder: One table spoon of each 3 times a day is necessary.
For the tinctures coupled with oregano as prescribed, 4 capsules of each bottle, two times a day.

The more you do the better, at this point I am getting sloppy with the Japanese knotweed and other powders I started out with. My theory is you can only go so far with the powder, but the tinctures and the oregano and (onions-garlic-peppers-ginger-turmeric-eggs-for-breakfast) work better. I would use both if I was starting over from scratch, starting with turpentine.

The antibiotics scare me, do not know why, but if I got a bull's eye on my side today I would not worry about it, I think I could kill it in a week. Although, I will admit, a person has to give up on bread and cookies and sugar etc. I do not eat any of that, in fact sometimes I do not eat all day till suppertime. : )

Is anyone curing Lyme with this method here other then me?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 31, 2018 - 10:28pm PT
Gasoline also has about 15 known, not suspected, carcinogens in it... Although it very well may be a potent antifungal, so is plutonium. You don't want cancer on top of your other issues.

Be careful and be well...

Two of the Lyme patients I know have done very well with biweekly injections of Bicillian. This was after years of much heavier and more dangerous IV meds such as Rocephin with a central line.

Current theory is for some this will kill the easy mobile Spirochetes off but does nothing for the spherical and biofilm forms. So it's basically treading water until a real cure is found.
perswig

climber
Jan 1, 2019 - 02:08am PT
Hmmm.
Heat. And now gasoline.


Perhaps they'd benefit from synergy.
What's the worst that could happen, right?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm

Carry on.
Dale
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jan 1, 2019 - 07:42am PT

This video says that antibiotics are dangerous because they nuke the bodies natural immune system and you got to eat vegetables and drink vinegar.

Gut Reaction | Could our food be making us sick? | IBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3iOlRUQkrw

I was not sure exactly what the hell "fiber" is as related to microbes but you got to eat it ... along with vinegar.
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