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couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 26, 2013 - 10:41am PT
As if you didn't have too much to worry about. The last line "he is reviewing old cases and has discovered the strain in other patients who were undiagnosed." makes me think of Lynne Leichtfuss husband Dan. She's mentioned several times on this board that she felt he had Lyme Disease but passed away with it being as yet undiagnosed.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/n-j-woman-becomes-first-in-u-s-diagnosed-with-new-deer-tick-disease/

"N.J. Woman Becomes First In U.S. Diagnosed With New Deer Tick Disease
Same Species That Causes Lyme Infected 81-Year-Old With Something Else
January 25, 2013 9:44 PM

FLEMINGTON, N.J. (CBSNewYork) — A New Jersey woman is lucky to be alive after catching a mysterious illness from a tick bite.

Anna Felix, 81, of Kingwood Township, said she feared her lymphoma had returned or she might have dementia when she started getting weak and confused and lost 30 pounds.

“I remember I couldn’t eat too well. And I started needing help to walk,” Felix told CBS 2’s Hazel Sanchez on Friday.

Initial tests were inconclusive, and although she showed symptoms of Lyme disease, Felix tested negative. Lab technicians at Hunterdon Medical Center made a breakthrough discovery when they examined her spinal fluid and found an unusual strain of bacteria they had never seen before.

“It was really spectacular. We knew we were on to something really big and that she would be treated and cured,” lab tech Amy Kurynow said.

Doctor Joseph Gugliotta confirmed it was the bacteria borrelia miyamotoi, a new disease transmitted by the same deer tick that causes Lyme disease. Felix is the first American case of this new tick-transmitted disease.

“Once I verified the organisms were there in the second spinal tap she was treated with a high dose of antibiotics and by five to seven days we were seeing improvement already,” Dr. Gugliotta said.

Felix said she likely was bitten by a tick on her farm. She’s since made a full recovery, and said she’s grateful for the lab’s life-saving discovery.

“It is amazing, and I hope that through this other people will get help, too,” Felix said.

Because of the newly discovered bacteria, Dr. Gugliotta said he is reviewing old cases and has discovered the strain in other patients who were undiagnosed."
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:10am PT
This is the good side of medicine - research and helping/saving people's lives.

On the other hand, it will be interesting to find out how prevalent this version of Lyme is, if on the rise, and such. It just occurred to me that we might consider a "loaded" tick bite as being akin to being bitten by a poisonous spider or bug, or ingesting a poisonous plant.

Is this accurate, or not, since not ALL ticks carry Lyme. They get the bacteria from eating infected material, but I guess it doesn't kick their ass. Where does the very initial strain of Lyme come from? How does it get INTO to deer that also carry it?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jan 26, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
Oh couchmaster, thanks for the Thread and mentioning my incredible husband, Dan, who was finally defeated by Lyme. Note I did not use the word victim because Dan never was....he fought with all his strength and finally lost.

So many have contacted me over the past 5 years re: Lyme. I try to give them the best info I can. We found a fantastic Dr. in Thousand Oaks, CA. But Dan's body was already to far spent. Please feel free anyone to contact me re: the disease and resources etc. My children were a great help and garnered a huge amount of facts, resources and wisdom.

If anyone wants this physicians name I heartily recommend him. Just ask on this thread and I'll post it.

Lyme disease is mega complicated and tough to fight....tough to live with and endure. Prayers to all of you out there feeling its effects. Whatever I can do I will. I love each of you and will fight this with you. Lynnie
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
I have mucho to say but let's start with;

I HATE F*#KING DEER TICKS!!!44##!^7

Ugh...I hate them.

And I 'm a really nice guy. Just sayin'
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 27, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Be good, Lynne! God bless ya!

see ya around.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2013 - 12:28am PT
Thanks Lynne, if you want to put any knowledge you have up here for anyone googling it, I'm sure it would be appreciated.

Question, how this isn't too intrusive, I apologize if it is: did you know for certain that Dan had Lyme, or was it because all of the symptoms were that he did, but he never tested positive for it?

All the best:
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 27, 2013 - 12:29am PT
Well, now I feel like an ass.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 27, 2013 - 01:42am PT
Nude hiking is the only safe hiking.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jan 27, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
couchmaster,

A Lyme specialist in Thousand Oaks, CA confirmed that Dan had the disease and treated him with IV Rocephin, but he warned Dan and I that it was most likely to late. He was the only person that prepared us for what we might expect and I am so grateful he did. Facing reality can be more than difficult, but often necessary.

I refer everyone to the above Dr. He is an Internist, but has made Lyme diagnosis and treatment a specialty. He even has a nurse in his office just for Lyme patients. We lived 3 hours away and no matter what if we called Dr. Gonzales made time for us in his schedule.

Dr. Miguel A. Gonzales
227 Janss Rd.
Thousand Oaks, CA
805-497-7508

Lyme is not really rare; just highly under diagnosed.
Shortly after Dan went to heaven, the CA State Dept. of Public Health sent out a bulletin to all physicians stating that Lyme was a threat in CA and they needed to get up to speed on the disease.

Dan had a weakened heart and lungs from radiation therapy for Hodgkins Disease when he was 30 otherwise he may have survived the Lyme Disease.
Dan was a scientist and not only studied Lyme but kept a journal about what he was experiencing (enduring). I made copies of it and gave it to his main Dr. at the hospital Dan eventually died in. I had the Dr. include it all in Dan's chart. I don't know what I hoped to accomplish by that, but it made me feel better.

Thanks for a your kind and thoughtful words. Dan died 5 years ago this past December 29th and sometimes it still feels like yesterday.





couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2013 - 09:31am PT
It's sad that an otherwise treatable disease gets missed and wrecks havok Lynne.



Todays newz, it's spreading fast: THERE ARE AN ESTIMATED 100,000 PEOPLE IN NY NOW INFECTED BY THE NEW TICK DISEASE. IT'S HEADING YOUR WAY AND YOU WON'T GET A RASK OR MARK AS A WARNING THAT YOU WERE BIT AND INFECTED.

We're all out there where these little puckers play and work, keep your eyes and ears open for you and your buddies who may think they have the flu, you won't test positive for Lyme if you have this.


"NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A new disease spread by deer ticks has already infected 100,000 New Yorkers since the state first started keeping track.

As CBS 2’s Dr. Max Gomez reported, the new deer tick-borne illness resembles Lyme disease, but is a different malady altogether – and it could be even worse.

The common deer tick is capable of spreading dangerous germs into the human bloodstream with its bite. However, Lyme disease is one of many diseases that ticks carry.

The latest disease is related to Lyme, and an infected person will suffer similar symptoms.

“Patients with this illness will develop, perhaps, fever, headache, flu-like symptoms, muscle pains — so they’ll have typical Lyme-like flu symptoms in the spring, summer, early fall,” said Dr. Brian Fallon of Columbia University. “But most of them will not develop the typical rash that you see with Lyme disease.”

Fallon, a renowned expert on Lyme disease at the New York Psychiatric Institute, said the importance of the new bacterium – called Borrelia miyamotoi — is that it might explain cases of what looked like chronic Lyme disease, but did not test positive for Lyme.

“The problem is that the diagnosis is going to be missed, because doctors aren’t going to think about Borrelia miyamotoi because they don’t know about it. And number two, if they test for Lyme disease, it will test negative, and the rash won’t be there,” Fallon said. “So they are not going to treat with the antibiotics, so the patient will have an infection staying in their system longer than it should.

While there is no test yet for the germ, the good news is that it appears the same antibiotic that kills Lyme disease also works – if it is given in the right doses and started early in the infection.

Remember, it takes a tick bite to get Lyme disease or the new bug, and the tick usually has to feed on your blood for at least 24 hours.

If you have been outdoors, have someone else do a full body check, Gomez advised. Ticks are small – only about the size of a sesame seed."

The first New Yorker flying out to Yos that has one in his clothes or on him/her and blam, next thing ya know, Werner is a host. Then mama drops off, full, and lays eggs.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Just when some thought we were nearly out of the woods in understanding Lyme disease!
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 3, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
Couchmaster, good thread.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
They are starting to think that many cases of SIDS are a result of toxoplasmosis from people letting their cats run loose.



In the natural world there are an almost infinite number of diseases, agents, pathogens, vectors, etc.

They are all always competing and,.... nobody gets out alive.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Deer ticks actually can carry four diseases. One is Lyme and the other three are similar.

My good friend was just diagnosed with Lyme on Monday.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
It's a spirochete, related to Lyme. I had a client with Lyme who thinks that Lyme was a bio warfare project that escaped from Plum Island, just off the coast of Lyme CT. I forget the details but a spirochete has an inside and an outside part. The outside somehow enabled it to live in the human body, then they put different parts inside, like a bacteria payload, as part of their research. Looks like it has mutated on its own now.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Another important thing is that there is a general medical consensus stating that a deer tick needs to have been feeding on you for 36 hours before it can transmit these diseases.

If you live in tick country, check yourself daily!!!

In addition to my friend, my grandma found a deer tick and bullseye rash on her a couple of weeks ago. She hasn't shown any symptoms of Lyme, and testing is inaccurate before 4-6 weeks of infection so we are playing the waiting game.
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Jul 3, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
There's an interesting article about Lyme (which I haven't finished reading yet so can't comment on) in The New Yorker, July 1st issue - here is a link (if this doesn't work go to their website and search "Lyme Disease"):

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/07/01/130701fa_fact_specter?currentPage=all

Seamstress

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Jul 3, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
My daughter had lyme disease - contracted while we lived in CT. Back then, they wouldn't even test you unless you had the bullseye rash. After removing a tick and observing uncharacteristic lethargy, I jumped up and down, to no avail. She had intermittant joint swelling thereafter, and we could always come up with a possible cause. When her knee swelled up again and we had no logical events that could cause this, we say a pediatric arthritis specialist who asked me, "Could she have contracted Lyme disease?" I told him all about the tick from 3 years earlier and the Doctor insisting that testing was no warranted. We tested her and she was positive for Lyme. 3 whole years she was undiagnosed.

She is OK but has some compromise to health. We were lucky. I refuse to ever let someone talk me out of my intuition again.
LivingwithLyme

Social climber
Coatesville, Indiana
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
I have been living with lyme for 20+ years. The last year, I was incredibly sick. In fact, I almost died. I used to be a teacher, and so I have done much research in the way of lyme. I felt compelled to write as some misinformation was posted. All ticks (not just a deer tick) have the potential to carry lyme and other infections. Usually referred to as co-infections. There are more than four. To name a few: Bartonella, Rickettsia (Typhus fever) and (Rocky Mounted Spotted Fever), Babesia, ehrlichia, Q fever, relapsing fever, etc. Many people are uneducated about lyme and co-infections and will often say, "ticks here don't carry lyme." If you think of a tick as a "Nature's dirty needle" then you can understand as a tick feeds on different animals, picking up and transmitting from a vast range of hosts. Lyme disease has been found in every state.

Lyme is a spirochete bacteria. (Borrelia burgdorferi is the name of the spirochete for lyme, yet they are finding more and more strands.) A spirochete is shaped like a corkscrew, much like syphilis. This is significant because it is a stealthy bacteria that typically does not "hang out" in your blood but can invade pretty much anything in your body. Organs, bones, etc.

Most doctors do not have recognize lyme especially if you do not get the typical bulls eye rash.

If you have questions about lyme, one of the best sites out there is lymedisease.org There you can get doctor referrals for a lyme specialist.

Another good resource is Pamela Weintraub's book Cure Unknown. And you can always netflix the documentary Under Our Skin.

Be safe out there. Enjoying the outdoors is so important but so is being tick smart.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jul 22, 2013 - 01:34am PT
Sorry it's taken so long to respond. I have limited access to internet.

Lyme disease is Nothing to mess around with. A climber here on ST did the right thing. He got bit by a tick and immediately went to a Lyme specialist and got the blood test within the prescribed time period.

You only have one life to life ...... treasure and protect it. Lynne
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Ticks in our nose now. Titled "Scientist finds new species of tick in his nose"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/us-biologist-discovers-new-species-up-his-nose-after-research-trip-to-africa-8859600.html


Loomis

climber
Svět
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
All I can say is: Inspect yourself very well when coming out of area's known to contain these ticks.
Don't get this bacteria, it is no fun to deal with.

rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Oct 8, 2013 - 12:39am PT
I've had Lyme four times; the most recent case being right now. Two of those times there was bull's eye rash; the other two times I had no initial symptoms whatsoever until the secondary symptoms occurred, probably several months, possibly as many as six, after the initial infection. The first of those two times, my secondary symptoms were increasingly severe muscle aches, which I ignored for a while, as I suspect any active person would. This time I experienced swelling and pain in both knees without any kind of event that would precipitate such a reaction.

Needless to say, I'm pretty careful. DEET and permithrin-treated clothes. And I seriously doubt the stories about ticks taking 24 or more hours to bite. By then I've done full-body tick checks and showered and scrubbed with a brush. In fact I know that time frame isn't true, because my wife has gone out into the garden for half an hour and come back with an embedded tick. More than once.

Ticks do not acquire the Lyme spirochete from deer. They get it from infected rodents, primarily white-taile mice here in Dutchess County. In a later stage of deveopment, when the ticks feed on deer, they either have or have not already been infected.

I'm "fortunate" to live in Dutchess County, which is one of the Lyme capitals of the universe, so virtually every internist is savvy about the disease and the substantial vagaries of testing for it.

...He got bit by a tick and immediately went to a Lyme specialist and got the blood test within the prescribed time period.

Sadly, getting the test too soon can lead to false negatives. The test is for Lyme antibodies, and these can take as much as several weeks to appear in sufficient concentrations in the bood to produce a positive test result. In any case, the tests are not very reliable, although their reliablility increases once the disease is disseminated. In Dutchess you get antibiotics for having the characteristic rash without any blood testing.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Oct 8, 2013 - 01:56am PT
I got it in Sequoia last year. Doctor said if I wasn't back east I didn't have to worry, then I told her about other CA cases and showed her the red ring and she gave me antibiotics.

I have a friend from back east who tested negative and after 4 years and tens of thousands in doctor bills he was diagnosed with lyme disease so I figured better safe than sorry! Supposedly the test isn't very accurate and costs more than antibiotics so it was an easy choice.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 8, 2013 - 03:59am PT
hey there say, ... first, big hug to lynne... :(

second... thank you all for sharing and lets' keep this
bumped from time time...

Loomis

climber
Svět
Oct 8, 2013 - 04:39am PT
Yeah, let's listen to Lynne... I see it more each day.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Oct 9, 2013 - 12:36am PT

The mental and physical agony Dan suffered was intense. Dan tried (and succeeded) to carry on. I didn't realize til later how intense his challenges were. After Dan went to heaven my daughter, Amy, told me that Dan confided in her one day saying that if he had not been a rock climber he may not have been able to hang in there. The hard core challenges of the rock conditioned him to endure.

Lyme Disease is Nothing to mess around with. Find a qualified physician and deal with it immediately.
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Oct 9, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
I had Lyme's this summer. I pulled a Deer Tick off and it was full of my blood--I waited a couple weeks and went to have the blood test--I began taking Doxycycline that day as I knew I would obsess about the possibilities. Anyway, I tested out positive and I knocked down 3 weeks of antibiotics. My only symptoms were some fatigue. But I was not going to mess with the Lyme thing. I caught it early and I feel normal-this is 3 months out
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Oct 9, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
It's a spirochete, related to Lyme. I had a client with Lyme who thinks that Lyme was a bio warfare project that escaped from Plum Island, just off the coast of Lyme CT. I forget the details but a spirochete has an inside and an outside part. The outside somehow enabled it to live in the human body, then they put different parts inside, like a bacteria payload, as part of their research. Looks like it has mutated on its own now.

I wonder if it's just that we have better detection technology but it sure seems like all of a sudden there are al these new diseases cropping up on a regular basis. Wassup with that?

Peace

Karl
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 4, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
Oh boy...just re read this thread. Not home a couple days and I take hike up in SC Mtns. Next morning I wake up with a deer tick feasting on my neck. I knew it was a deer tick because I had brushed some off my dog....of course she is clean of bites because of Frontline.
I got most of it out, but it broke off. Off to Urgent Care with "help, can't get the rest of this ugly sucker out. Guess what???? They send me to the hospital ER because the urgent docs couldn't get it out it has burrowed so far in and they didn't have the right forceps to "extract the foreign body". ER got it out and I was immediately put on doxycycline. My neck and shoulder are very tender due to the digging. The tick was sent off to a lab to see if it tests positive for Lyme's disease. Hopefully not, or if so the doxy will have done its job.
Any others have any updates to what had already been posted. I'm squicked, of course. Washing all my bedding on "sanitize" setting, not once but twice!

Susan
bob

climber
Jan 4, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
I have chronic Lyme. Whooo hoooooooo! Anyways. I have had two deer ticks I pulled off while in the SC mountains and sent them in. Neither was infected. Just thought I'd throw that your way. (tests were two years ago)

Anyways, you're set because you nailed it immediately. Nice work!!!! Oh, and both the areas of my body that I pulled those ticks from hurt way more than other tick bites in my life. Hmmmmmmm not sure what's up with that.

Peace and best of luck!!!!!

Bob J.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 4, 2014 - 05:20pm PT
Very interesting Bob about the " hurt" part. I was barely awake and my hand kinda gravitated to my shoulder and brushed across my night shirt and immediately it hurt. I thought did I spring some sort of giant pimple or boil. When I got up and looked in the mirror I was astounded with the size of the area that was red and tender considering the tick didn't look that engorged...unlike dog ticks that get all balloony.
From the bite and the procedure I feel like I've been shot or stabbed in that shoulder.
I'm hoping my quick response and doxy will be the ticket.
And like a flame to moth...back on that trail today but without the dog who is really the culprit because she goes through the brush and I'm sure transferred to me.

Susan
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 4, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
^^^^^^yep, I think for the most part you are correct....however I had flicked several off of her so I'm tipping towards the little boogers seeing me as an easy mark or I flicked from her to me!
Gosh, Marin, I remember running the Dipsea over Mt Tam and basically being lousy with them at the finish. Luckily, no bites just a lot of whooshing them away.
Susan
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 9, 2014 - 06:09pm PT
Tick confirmed as Western Black Legged Tick, the only tick species in Northern California to carry Lymes. Testing suggested it was not infected, however "tick received was desiccated, this may compromise testing"

Anyway, since I was immediately put on antibiotics I'm feeling pretty positive I've done all I can.

Susan
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jan 9, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
Susan, just read this. OMG, prayers for you! Along with love and caring. Sounds like you're handling it well. Only other thing would be to go to Dr. Miguel A.Gonzales in Thousand Oaks who is a specialist in this area. He even has an office nurse dedicated to Lyme patients. Sometimes people go on IV Rocephin to treat problems. His number is 805-497-7508. He's also an athlete so he understands the need to be fit.

Love from Lynne
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 9, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
Lynnie, thanks so much for the info. I know you went to hell and back with yours and Dan's journey through Lymes. Right now I'm feeling pretty confident I've done everything I can. If something comes up in the future I know immediately to get checked for Lymes since it was a vector tick.
Missing you...happy New Year and hopefully see you this spring when you return from Colorado. If we get to Ouray I'll contact you. We've been contemplating heading that way as we migrate north to Bozeman for ski season.

Susan
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Oct 7, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
I do not take this lightly and mean no disrespect,
I am touched with the grief and sorrow of
So much sadness and loss
Of the last few years
That I am numb.


My photo ID is the bull’s-eye! Well I can change that.
I have had lyme's and it was a crushing illness
Double vision, joints and old injuries swollen with pain
This most recent bite has only had the bulls-eye with swelling,
pain at the site, and hot to the touch. It has been much bigger, across half my back,
but no other symptoms. The mark was faded but visible; it lasted for two solid months.
The thing is I have also been bit by a Brown Recluse spider, that hurt just like this but was accompanied by flesh loss and an open blister wound.
I am very well aware of my 'bad' reactions to stings and bites.
This thing on my shoulder was nowhere near the pain and loss of lucidity, that came from a spider bite to my .... well... south of my pp those things that hang down, the four letter word fits so much better it’s… ...Balls.
I do not take this lightly and mean no disrespect,
I am touched with, sorrow and grief
So much sadness, loss and hart ache
Of the last few years
That I am numb.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Oct 7, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
Just want to send this bit of info. If it's changed Please let me know.

If you get bit by a tick carrying Lyme I believe you only have 24 to 48 hours to start antibiotic treatment. Screw the pills, if it happened to me I'd pay the bucks and jump to IV Rocephin. What is your life worth?

lynnie
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2014 - 05:55pm PT


Bump for Moosedrool.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Dec 21, 2014 - 06:34pm PT
Not a tic bite ... spider I was lucky the only symptoms were the stiffness pain and swelling.
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 28, 2016 - 02:19pm PT


Well, the ticks are out again now for sure. This article notes that the number infected has increased to 300,000 currently. I know a climber who claimed he was infected in Yosemite. Keep an eye out!



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3563844/Lyme-disease-ticking-time-bomb-Leading-expert-explains-life-wrecking-illness-spreading-protect-yourself.html

Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Apr 28, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
I have heard of someone who got a deer tick up on the Marble Fork trail in SEKI and contracted Lyme disease just last year. This was their first ever hike in the park. The tick in the pic was from the Castle Rock Trail, lower approach....Notorious for all those kind of things!
And it was one of those little Black and Red deer ticks. No lyme though, I don't think.....
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 28, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
Still lots of headroom for new 'lyme' diseases...

Cross-Immunity and Community Structure of a Multiple-Strain Pathogen in the Tick Vector.

Crazy Bat

Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
Apr 29, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
I have a friend who works for CDC. She got interested in ticks and started collecting them nearly five years ago, just hoping she could get funding for research. She had developed lyme after a tick bite with no bullseye rash. So domt count on that if you get a tick take the a tibiotics. Well informed doctors would rather givenyou the antibiotics than take the chance. I have contributed quite a few myself.

She never could get funding because she was in the wrong department, but a co worker did. She donated her collection of ticks to the cause, so they keep her informed of what they find in the ticks. It is a long and nasty laundry list.

One of the most interesting ones was car scratch fever. There have been several people who got it without having been exposed to cats or any of the other mammals known to carry it. They dont have enough numbers yet to say it came from ticks but they probably will soon.

I have gotten to the point I can sometimes feel those little buggers scratching around for purchase and some times find little red puncture marks near them. Shiver!
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Apr 29, 2016 - 01:57pm PT
I would have used a razor blade to get the head out if I had to. I have had success with both the cover them with Vaseline and then wait 15 minutes and then grab the head with tweezers method, and just grabbing as close to the skin as possible with tweezers and gently tugging until it lets go. I haven't had that many, a handful over the years but I've never left a head in.

edit;

here comes Annabelle Nicholas Name, Lyme disease debunker extraordinaire
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Apr 29, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
The vast majority, and possibly ALL cases of Lyme disease are completely resolved after a few weeks of very ordinary oral antibiotics.

But only if diagnosed and treated, and there are many doctors who will refuse to prescribe that course of antibiotics if there hasn't been a bullseye rash.

TE
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Apr 29, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
another nickname, you are a troll and should be ignored. Not worth wasting anyone's breath on.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Apr 29, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
Yea, I agree with Lynne!! I know somebody who got severally disabled from
Lyme!!
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Apr 30, 2016 - 08:38am PT
Between the ticks and the waterborne virus bacteria and protozoa that you carry you must be rather skeevy. What's next don't bother wiping?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 30, 2016 - 08:58am PT
Except a lot of us know multiple people whose lives have been severely impacted by lymes including the loss of friends and loved ones.

As far as what medically constitutes lymes as a disease and what microbiological agents are involved in that classification, those are two different matters altogether and as someone with at least a smattering of microbiology I say that we've only just begun to unravel that space. But that fact has no bearing on the severity of this condition or how many peoples' lives are being affected by it.

Any statements which can be construed as dismissive of the risks involved are entirely misguided, unproductive and unwelcome.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 30, 2016 - 09:40am PT
Ah, another conspiracy nutjob.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Apr 30, 2016 - 11:02am PT
Also which is it, it is not a real disease or it was created in a government Laboratory?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 30, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
Well, journalism (reporting) is not a vacuum cleaner which just sucks up any old shite and then sprays it unexamined onto the Internet. There are many names for that, but 'journalism' and 'reporting' are not among them.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Apr 30, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
Stoopid Americans think they're at the top of the food chain.

Deer ticks, mosquitoes and hanta virus eat people.

Stoopid American movie makes a big shark appear to be the ultimate threat to all mankind.

Wrong.

Stoopid Americans threatened more by little tiny sh#t they can't see, and can't comprehend.


Stoopid Americans ARE the food chain.



HOW TO SERVE MAN

overwatch

climber
Arizona
Apr 30, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
With fava beans and a nice Chianti
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2017 - 09:11am PT


On the subject of tinfoil hat conspiracy's and Lyme. The claim is that a strain was tested out on Texas Prison Inmates, and it was all fun and games till it started transferring over to the guards and then their family's. Old news I had not seen previously.

http://www.publichealthalert.org/mycoplasma---often-overlooked-in-chronic-lyme-disease.html

"Mycoplasma - Often Overlooked In Chronic Lyme Disease
June 1, 2009 in Science/Research by Scott Forsgren

Those of us with chronic Lyme disease are quite familiar with the names of the better known Lyme co-infections. Babesia, Bartonella, and Ehrlichia have become everyday words. As much as we would like to rid ourselves of these illness-producing pathogens, they have become a part of our daily struggle to regain a sense of health and wellness. Unfortunately, these are not the only co-infections seen in chronic Lyme disease. For some reason,Mycoplasma infections are not only lesser known by patients, but seemingly often overlooked by doctors as well. It is important for us, as patients, to educate ourselves on the topic of Mycoplasma and to ask our practitioners how we are being evaluated and treated for these infections.

In 1987, Dr. Garth Nicolson, PhD was a professor at the University of Texas at Houston when his wife, an instructor at Baylor College of Medicine, became seriously ill and nearly died. She was diagnosed with a Mycoplasma infection, treated, and later recovered. A few years later, their daughter, who had served in the Gulf War, returned from active duty quite ill. Not only was she sick, but the symptoms that she exhibited were very similar to those that Dr. Nicolson's wife had expressed years earlier.

At that point, Dr. Nicolson had the idea that his daughter's illness could be the result of an infection and started to investigate his theory further. As his work progressed, he looked at Brucella, Borrelia, Ehrlichia, and other chronic intracellular infections that have the potential to cause illness and present with overlapping signs and symptoms. In Gulf War veterans that were being evaluated, approximately 45% of those that were ill had Mycoplasma infection. It was found that the infection was a particular type of Mycoplasma, namely a peculiar species called Mycoplasma fermentans.

Very little was known about this particular species of Mycoplasma at the time except that the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and the Army had been doing research on the organism. Once this likely causative agent of Gulf War Illness (GWI) had been identified in about one-half of the GWI cases, Dr. Nicolson recommended that the Mycoplasma-infected Gulf War veterans be treated with Doxycycline. He then found himself the target of vicious attacks for making the connection between the illness and M. fermentans. Dr. Nicolson shared that "even talking about this organism was highly discouraged." In fact, until the Gulf War, the military's own medical school had been teaching about the dangers of M. fermentans for years.

Background

Just years earlier in Texas, prisons emerged in which many of the inmates and guards came down with neurodegenerative conditions at rates that were far from ordinary. In Huntsville, where three large State prisons are found, there were about 70 cases of ALS, numerous cases of Multiple Sclerosis, and highly unexpected numbers of Rheumatoid Arthritis cases. At that time, the term "Mystery Disease" was used to identify the unusual illnesses that so many seemed to have acquired.

Dr. Nicolson started testing prison guards and their family members and found that very high numbers of these people were testing positive for Mycoplasma fermentans. Furthermore, this appeared to be a weaponized version of the organism called M. fermentans incognitus, a specific strain of Mycoplasma that had been altered to cause more severe symptoms, to be more virulent, and to be more survivable than the naturally occurring M. fermentans. Dr. Nicolson believed that biological weapons experiments had been carried out on inmates in the Texas prison system for years in which humans had been used as guinea pigs.

As time progressed, these illnesses did not remain confined to the prisoners. Soon after the prisoners unknowingly became a part in these experiments, the prison guards became ill. Their illnesses gradually became those of their families. It was not long before these Mycoplasma-based illnesses became a broader part of the surrounding Huntsville, Texas landscape.

The Texas prisoners that came down with Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) later died. In the state of Texas, at the time, the state law dictated that all prisoners that died were later to be autopsied at University of Texas at Galveston. However, that was not what was happening to the prisoners who had died as a result of this horrific experimentation, according to Dr. Nicolson. Through one of his former students who at the time was responsible for the autopsy service at UT Galveston, Dr. Nicolson learned that none of the bodies had been sent there. Dr. Nicolson had discovered that at least six private autopsies a week were being performed on deceased prisoners at a US Army base. The bodies were then sent to a private crematory at a secret location in central Texas. Additionally, prisoner records were destroyed. All of this, according to Dr. Nicolson, violated state law.

Though much of the evidence of this experimentation had been destroyed, a document was found in the basement of an Austin building that was viewed as the "smoking gun". The document indicated that the Texas Prison Board, Baylor College of Medicine, and the Department of Defense were all a part of the experiments involving the Texas prisoners - experiments that later resulted in the death of many of the inmates. According to Dr. Nicolson, some of the experiments used Mycoplasma while others utilized various "cocktails of microbial agents" such asMycoplasma, Brucella, and DNA viruses such as Parvovirus B19. This project later became the topic of a book by Dr. Nicolson entitled Project Day Lily.

Dr. Nicolson believes that Mycoplasma fermentans is a naturally occurring microbe. However, some of the strains that exist today have been weaponized. Dr. Nicolson's research found unusual genes in M. fermentans incognitus that were consistent with a weaponized form of the organism. Weaponzing of an organism is done in an attempt to make a germ more pathogenic, immunosuppressive, resistant to heat and dryness, and to increase its survival rate such that the germ could be used in various types of weapons. Genes which were part of the HIV-1 envelope gene were found in these Mycoplasma. This means that the infection may not give someone HIV, but that it may result in some of the debilitating symptoms of the HIV disease. Indicators of a weaponized organism were evident in the prison guards in Huntsville as well as in military personnel that were likely exposed to the infections both through military vaccinations as well as through weapons used in the Gulf War.

The unfortunate reality according to Dr. Nicolson is that "once these things get out, you can't put the genie back in the bottle". Once these germs have been released, they are airborne infections that slowly penetrate into the population. In the case of Mycoplasma fermentans, Dr. Nicolson believes that this is exactly what happened. It may be this weaponized form of Mycoplasma that has led to the significant increases in neurodegenerative and autoimmune diseases over the last several years. Those patients with weaponized strains of these organisms are generally very sick. They may experience 60-75 signs and symptoms and are even at risk of their diseases becoming fatal.

In looking at the source of infection in the Gulf War veterans who were contracting Mycoplasma, Dr. Nicolson suggests that vaccinations appear to be the most likely mechanism through which the veterans became infected. Many military personnel that later became ill were far from the battlefields or had received the vaccinations and were never deployed. However, biological weapons sprayers were known to have been deployed by the Iraqis in the Gulf War and were used to spray the sand in Iraq and Kuwait. Gerald Schumacher, a Special Forces colonel in charge of biological weapons detection, blew the whistle on this after he retired. During the Gulf War, his group was not allowed to deploy their biological weapons detectors which led to reports that no such weapons were detected or used.

The Iraqis received a great deal of assistance on biological warfare from the United States during the Iran-Iraq Conflict. Both chemical and biologic weapons were given to them from the United States. After the Gulf War, rather than taking inventory of these weapons, they were blown up. Dr. Nicolson indicates that some of his patients have taken videos standing next to crates with Hazardous Materials tags from the United States. In the same videos, the crates are opened and weapons are clearly striped as having originated from the United States and being both chemical and biological weapons.

There were clear indicators that Iraq had offensive weapons in their arsenal. In Kuwait, many people had become quite ill. It was estimated that 25% of the population after the Gulf War had signs and symptoms which matched the symptoms of those infected with weaponized Mycoplasma. There were also a number of other chemical exposures and thus, there was never a clear indicator as to whether or not the Iraqi illnesses were caused by biologic or chemical agents.

When asking Dr. Nicolson how much he personally has been harassed for bringing much of this information to light, he shared that it has been "a horrific time". After Dr. Nicolson exposed the Huntsville prison experiments, the University of Texas educational system attempted to fire him from his tenured and highly respected position. Dr. Nicolson shared that a tremendous amount of pressure was put on the University of Texas system to "shut him up and close his laboratory". He was threatened on an almost daily basis with closing his lab as he continued to do his research on Mycoplasma. This became a major subject in the book Project Day Lily. Fortunately, for many of us struggling with chronic illnesses, Dr. Nicolson's experience and knowledge continue to be a benefit in that we understand so much more than we otherwise would about this formidable foe called Mycoplasma.

Symptoms

The signs and symptoms of Mycoplasma infection are highly variable and thus it is not uncommon for a diagnosis to be entirely missed. A partial list of symptoms includes chronic fatigue, joint pain, intermittent fevers, headaches, coughing, nausea, gastrointestinal problems, diarrhea, visual disturbances, memory loss, sleep disturbances, skin rashes, joint stiffness, depression, irritability, congestion, night sweats, loss of concentration, muscle spasms, nervousness, anxiety, chest pain, breathing irregularities, balance problems, light sensitivity, hair loss, problems with urination, congestive heart failure, blood pressure abnormalities, lymph node pain, chemical sensitivities, persistent coughing, eye pain, floaters in the eyes, and many others. On Dr. Nicolson's web site at http://www.immed.org, a full list of signs and symptoms and an illness survey form can be found.

It doesn't take long to see that the symptoms of Mycoplasma infections are very similar to the symptoms of Borrelia infections in chronic Lyme disease. Dr. Nicolson has looked at some of the more common neurodegenerative diseases and the infections that are associated with each. Mycoplasma is commonly found in patients with ALS, Multiple Sclerosis, Autism, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Chronic Asthma, Lyme disease, and many other chronic disease conditions.


Characteristics

Mycoplasma are pleomorphic bacteria which lack a cell wall and, as a result, many antibiotics are not effective against this type of bacteria. There are over 100 known species of Mycoplasma, but only a half dozen or so are known to be pathogenic in humans. The pathogenic species are intracellular and must enter cells to survive. Once they are inside the cells, they are not recognized by the immune system and it is difficult to mount an effective response.

They stimulate reactive-oxygen species (ROS) which damage cell membranes. They release toxins into the body. Infected cells can be stimulated to undergo programmed cell death which may result in ALS or other severe neurological presentations. 90% of ALS patients evaluated were found to have Mycoplasma infections, whereasMycoplasma was found in 100% of ALS patients with Gulf War Syndrome, almost all of which were weaponizedM. fermentans incognitus.

They are thought of as "borderline anaerobes", meaning that they generally prefer low oxygen environments. Dr. Nicolson has found that airline employees are much more susceptible to these types of infections and that symptoms worsen with frequent long flights at low oxygen tension. Mycoplasma also have some characteristics of viruses.

Mycoplasma tend to be slow growing infections and they are usually transmitted slowly. Dr. Nicolson states that "Mycoplasma can be sexually transmitted, but the infection is usually passed through far less intimate contact.Mycoplasma can be obtained through fluid exchange, and it is easily transmitted through the air." In Gulf War veterans, the first person besides the veteran to become ill was the spouse and, later, other members of the household also became ill. Not everyone is equally susceptible to Mycoplasma infections, especially those with strong immune systems who can resist infection.

As already discussed, Mycoplasma fermentans produces numerous symptoms. Those infected are rarely found to be asymptomatic. In North America, M. pneumoniae is the most common Mycoplasma seen in various diseases. In Europe, M. hominis is far more prevalent and the incidence of M. fermentans is much lower than in North America.

The potential genetic factors involved in Mycoplasma illnesses are not known. Those with immune deficiencies and other illnesses, such as cancers and degenerative diseases, are at far greater risk of infection.

Prevalence

In one study looking at Mycoplasma in patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Dr. Nicolson has observed some interesting patterns in his research. Generally, the majority of CFS patients have Mycoplasma infections. However, CFS patients infected with Borrelia burgdorferi, the punitive agent in Lyme disease, had an even higher overallMycoplasma infection rate. As many as 75% of Lyme disease patients appear to have Mycoplasma infections, and yet Mycoplasma is often overlooked in the diagnosis and treatment of chronic Lyme disease, neurodegenerative diseases, and many other chronic illnesses lacking clear origins.

Even more startling was the finding that of the patients infected with Borrelia, over 50% of the patients had the M. fermentans infection. Approximately 23% carried M. pneumoniae. Chronic Fatigue patients that did not test positive for Borrelia had much more of a mixture of various species ofMycoplasma. Only 28% of the group not co-infected with Lyme disease had the M. fermentans infection. In normal, healthy controls, only 1.7% were found to have M. fermentans and at a total Mycoplasma infection rate of 5% compared to the 75% group mentioned earlier.

Dr. Nicolson notes that these findings are consistent with the fact that it is the Mycoplasma fermentans species that is more often isolated in ticks collected from the environment. The same tick that serves as the vector for Borrelia burgdorferi often also transmits M. fermentans simultaneously. Once a patient is multiply co-infected, the duration and severity of their illness both increase.

In his experience, Dr. Nicolson has found that Mycoplasma is the number one Lyme coinfection. The rate of infection with Mycoplasma in patients with Lyme disease surpasses that of Bartonella (25-40%) slightly and that ofBabesia (8-20%) significantly.

According to Dr. Nicolson, a healthy immune system can generally clear M. pneumoniae infections though will have a harder time eradicating M. fermentans on its own. Healthy people can often hold these infections in check - essentially having the infection but not expressing symptoms.

Testing

Dr. Nicolson noted that Mycoplasma infections in chronic Lyme disease are often overlooked by most doctors because they simply don't test for it. He states that those that do test for it find a much higher number of infected patients. Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD in New York finds a high incidence of M. fermentans, according to Dr. Nicolson.

Sadly, however, even if patients are tested for Mycoplasma, a similar problem exists here as the one that almost all Lyme doctors and patients are aware of - namely that reliable tests do not exist. Dr. Nicolson notes that once a laboratory gets a reliable test in place, the laboratory is often shutdown. There are only a few labs left that test forMycoplasma as a result.
In testing ticks for various microbial species, Dr. Nicolson has found a very high incidence of Mycoplasma fermentans. However, other Mycoplasma species have also been found such as M. pneumoniae and M. hominis. The incidence of these other species is far lower. "Far and away", it is the M. fermentans species that is seen in ticks, and this probably reflects the high incidence of M. fermentans coinfections in Lyme disease.

In terms of laboratory testing, Dr. Nicolson generally recommends Viral Immune Pathology, formerly known as RedLabs. He has found that the usefulness of any given lab in testing for Mycoplasma changes regularly. In the past, Dr. Nicolson used Medical Diagnostic Laboratories (MDL) for testing, but later he and other physicians found that the testing was no longer reliable. As a result, he no longer recommends MDL.

Dr. Nicolson finds that laboratories testing for Mycoplasma are highly scrutinized by federal agencies and that may affect the way the labs test and report this type of infection.

Autoimmunity

Thomas McPherson Brown, MD studied Mycoplasma at the Rockefeller Institute just before World War II. He was able to isolate bacteria from the joint fluid of a person with autoimmune arthritis and believed that the infection could have been the trigger for her disease. At the time, the organisms were too small to identify precisely, but it was later determined to be Mycoplasma.

Even then, Dr. Brown believed that Mycoplasma was very common and not easy to eradicate. He suggested using tetracycline drugs as an effective treatment for the disease. He later found that Doxycycline and Minocycline were effective at dealing with Mycoplasma. Though he garnered praise from his patients, he was generally regarded by the medical community as misguided and a trouble-maker. He died in 1989 prior to being fully vindicated. Fortunately, his work was validated through an NIH-sponsored study called MIRA or "Minocycline in Rheumatoid Arthritis".

Due to many of the characteristics of Mycoplasma, they may be responsible for the triggering of numerous autoimmune responses. As Mycoplasma replicate within cells and are eventually released, they capture antigens from the surface of the host cell and incorporate these antigens into their own membranes. This makes it almost impossible for the body to tell the difference between good and bad, between human and microbe, or between us and them. As a result, the immune system may begin to respond to these antigens now incorporated into the cell walls of the bacteria and create a condition of self-attack, or autoimmunity.

The microorganisms can produce mimicry antigens that mimic the natural host surface antigens and trigger an immune response to these antigens which may also result in autoimmune conditions through cross-reactivity. Additionally, Mycoplasma may cause cell death of host cells through a process known as apoptosis or programmed cell death.

Treatment

Though various strains of Mycoplasma have their own unique characteristics and drug responses, treatment tends to be quite similar. The variations in the strains do not appear to be a factor in a successful treatment response.

Dr. Nicolson suggests that in-vitro differences have been found but that it is not possible to easily extrapolate these findings to an in-vivo environment. Various factors including drug targeting, drug clearance, and the ability for the drug to cross into various body compartments are important considerations in treatment that cannot be examined in-vitro. Dr. Nicolson believes that, like many other coinfections of Lyme disease, Mycoplasma cannot be fully eradicated, but that once infected, treatment becomes an ongoing "management approach". He notes that this is a commonly understood fact and that the same is true of other organisms such as Chlamydia and Borrelia. Mycoplasma have the ability to go into a quiescent phase in intracellular locations within the body. Once in these locations, neither antibiotics nor the immune system can effectively reach or kill the organisms. Many people recover from Mycoplasma infections and are fine for years. They may later have an incident involving severe trauma or other significant life stressor and symptoms fully reappear within weeks to months.

Dr. Nicolson recommends that the physician adopt an initial 6-month course of treatment with no break followed by several 6-week on, 2-week off antibiotic cycles. Candidate antibiotics include: Doxycycline, Ciprofloxacin (Cipro), Azithromycin (Zithromax), Minocycline, or Clarithromycin (Biaxin). He notes that antibiotic combinations may be required if there is a limited response to single drug, and most patients require switching antibiotics at least once during their treatment. Some patients may find the addition of Flagyl to be a benefit to treatment.

In Gulf War patients, once effectively treated, the majority of patients recovered. For civilians, six months is the minimum recommended treatment length, and some patients require much longer treatment in order to recover.Given that Mycoplasma have some characteristics of viruses, some physicians have suggested that Famvir or Ganciclovir may be added to the antibiotic therapy.

Herxheimer reactions do occur when treating Mycoplasma infections. To minimize this die-off effect where the patient generally feels much worse while on treatment, Dr. Nicolson advises using 50mg oral Benadryl taken 30 minutes before the antibiotics. He also finds that a strained blend of 1 whole lemon, 1 cup fruit juice, and 1 tablespoon of olive oil can be helpful. Though Dr. Nicolson believes that antibiotics are the most effective approach to treating Mycoplasma infections, he has found some good natural options. In terms of natural approaches to treating Mycoplasma, Raintree Nutrition (http://www.rain-tree.com); has created several products that may be quite helpful for patients. These include Raintree Myco, Raintree A-F, and Raintree Immune Support.

Dr. Nicolson has seen evidence that Mycoplasma-specific transfer factors such as those from Chisholm Labs and others can be beneficial in some patients. He says that many natural options help in some patients, but that his experience has been that the antibiotic treatment results in the best outcomes. In many, recovery requires a push and pull between conventional and alternative treatments.

One of the hallmark signs of Mycoplasma infection is fatigue. The infections lead to oxidation in the body that leads to damage of the cell membranes. Oxidation accelerates the damage to the lipids in cell membranes which impacts mitochondrial function. This leads to less energy in the cell and ultimately to a fatiguing of the larger organism due to the fact that there is less energy to support necessary cellular functions. In patients where fatigue is due to cell membrane damage, Dr. Nicolson has found NT Factor® to be highly beneficial. NT Factor® replaces the damaged lipids and helps to restore mitochondrial function. Often, fatigue then resolves or is reduced.

Dr. Nicolson has found that oxidative therapies such as ozone can be helpful in the fight against Mycoplasma. However, he notes that this is generally palliative and does not produce the same results as the antibiotic therapy in the long-term. He finds that the oxidative therapies "are generally more cytostatic than cytotoxic". Hyperbaric oxygen may be helpful but similarly does not appear to be a highly effective treatment in the longer-term.

In other countries, IV drips with H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) have been used with some benefit, but Dr. Nicolson notes that these therapies, while potentially effective, are highly dangerous and not advised.

In the realm of frequency medicine and Rife therapy, Dr. Nicolson believes that the frequencies that could be used to address Mycoplasma are too similar to normal cellular frequencies. Thus, he is not certain that Rife therapy is an effective way to approach the problem.

In the nutritional realm, Dr. Nicolson finds that many patients with chronic infections are immunosuppressed and that proper nutrition is vital. He cautions against smoking and drinking. He suggests avoidance of sugars, trans-fats, and allergenic foods. He advises patients to increase their fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. Some dietary winners in supporting the immune system include cruciferous vegetables, soluble fiber-based foods such as prunes and bran, wheat germ, yogurt, fish, and whole grains.

Patients are often depleted in key vitamins and minerals. Supplementation with B-Complex, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, and CoQ-10 are often beneficial. Minerals are often necessary. Dr. Nicolson notes, however, that many people have poor absorption and may require sublingual or injectable forms of these nutrients. Amino acids, flax seed, and fish oils can provide additional support, but the best nutrition for cell membranes is NT Factor®.

Many patients with chronic illnesses have a toxic body burden of heavy metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium, and aluminum. Hair, stool, and urine testing is available through labs like Doctor's Data (http://www.doctorsdata.com); and Genova Diagnostics (http://www.gdx.net);. Dr. Nicolson has seen reports of positive results with EDTA chelation suppositories from Detoxamin (http://www.detoxamin.com); and oral chelators from Longevity Plus (www.longevityplus.com).

For patients using antibiotics, beneficial gut flora is often depressed. Supplementation with a high quality probiotic is important, but probiotics have to be taken two hours or longer after taking antibiotics. Natural immune support can be helpful in the form of whey proteins, transfer factors, or immune-support products such as Beyond Immuni-T from Longevity Plus.

Biolfims

Dr. Nicolson believes that biofilms are a factor in successfully treating Mycoplasma infections. In cases that are refractory to antibiotics, biofilms are likely a major factor. In men with chronic refractory prostatitis which is infection-based, one often cannot be treated effectively with antibiotics. However, when Detoxamin (EDTA) or other agents to address the biofilms are used, it then becomes possible to treat these infections with tetracyclines. Patients quickly show functional increases and decreases in pain other symptoms.

Summary

In chronic Lyme disease, it is often difficult to know which infections are actually responsible for the persistence of illness. However, in general terms, chronic intracellular infections that change the metabolism of cells and suppress mitochondrial and other functions will lead to patients remaining in a chronically ill state. Dr. Nicolson believes that these infections must be aggressively treated. "Similar to chronic Lyme disease, the current CDC or IDSA recommendations for short-term treatment of chronic infections are simply inadequate," he says.

Dr. Nicolson has found that there is a hierarchy of symptoms that resolve relatively quickly and those that resolve more slowly when treating Mycoplasma. Gut-associated phenomenon such as Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) often resolve quickly. Other systemic signs and symptoms can resolve in an intermediate period of time from many weeks to many months. Symptoms associated with the central and peripheral nervous systems such as neuropathy and pain often resolve much more slowly. Skin sensitivity and burning sensations may take much longer to resolve. Mycoplasma infections do invade nerves, and nerve-related symptoms are among the more difficult to resolve.

Dr. Nicolson states "We keep seeing the suppression of information on Mycoplasma and similar intracellular bacterial infections. The world of Mycoplasma parallels the world of chronic Lyme disease in terms of the politics involved. Physicians are being persecuted by their medical boards as a result of bad information. It is important for us to do everything within our power to get rid of harmful, erroneous information about these diseases. Both Mycoplasma and Borrelia have been manipulated for biological weapons purposes and as a result, both are politically incorrect to discuss, work on, or do anything about. Until this changes, we won't see any real progress."
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2017 - 09:16am PT

It's widespread knowledge that the US Army spends a huge amount of money and resources looking into pathogens, virus's and such as a weapon and testing these things out. Ostensibly to protect us against the other side doing it to us. This story doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jan 27, 2017 - 01:00pm PT
unfortunately Couchmaster, its probably just the tip of the iceberg..
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Aug 27, 2017 - 09:04am PT


Dear Fellow Climbers,

It came to mind that I need to share something with you all.

I had been regularity going climbing, trying to complete a climb called Survival of The Fittest in Lost City for a few years now, perhaps you know the climb? The history with that is I gradually progressed until I pulled a muscle and had to take a break for a while. Then something happened to my left shoulder, and I needed to take a long break again. In order to get up it I really need to exercise every other day (and never every day), and if I do not warm up or if my cartilage is not being conditioned progressively along at the same pace as my muscles then I blow out a joint and need to start over again. It is an exact science. These last few months I had a problem trying to motivate myself to do pull ups on a regular basis, and do those regular workouts. Every other day I need to spend a lot of time trying to get up past a level that would bring me to the top of the climb, climbing or exercising twice a week would lead to a plateau quickly. And breaking the different plateaus later I would encounter was always very dangerous because if I was not carful and did not warm up for 1/2 hour I could get an injury. I suppose it would have helped if I had gone to see holistic doctor. But I had reached a point where I knew what to do, it was just implementing in now that I had a problem doing. Perhaps my dopamine levels were low.

Much time previously I had worn out my hip joint, but I was able to grow that back by taking a rest in a lazyboy for almost a year and thereafter using crutches for another year or so, and having to drive laying down, that was all back starting in 2010

Now let me tell you all, almost every time I go climbing I find a tick. But there was one time where I did check not carefully enough and I discovered it starting in my back at 2:00 PM. I do not understand why I had become so less vigilant about checking for ticks, to check over and over, why did I assume I could relax that?, I should have given my own protocol more respect. I was very tired, annoyed, frustrated, and just went to bed on this one night. It's funny that I can remember it so clearly but I could not remember to check 3 times for ticks? I had let my guard down this one time, but I did not give it much thought since it was only on me for 2 hours. I took the tick and put it in a plastic bag inside my clam lid Mason jar I use for ticks, I have a hell of a lot of ticks in there! Whatever it was, I was involved in some very stupid idiotic ways of thinking. I was not paying enough attention to my surroundings. I did not stop myself and say, "I need to really stop what I am doing and consider why checking for ticks is important", why have I have I not done this again? If I had taken a shower before I went to bed that would have been the cure, but I was too tired, I just threw myself into bed concerned about other seemingly more important things.

Around 3 or 4 weeks later I had been in the woods with a hell of a lot of annoying gnats spiders and bugs, and I assumed I had a spider bite. I went to the Gunks, late of course as what was kind of typical for these days, and had no drive to do anything which was worse. I talked to some climbers I knew, Jim Munson and Frank. It had suddenly it occurred to me, holy sh#t perhaps this not a spider bite from a few days ago, it could be from that tick bite from a few weeks ago! Calling around on the phone got me nowhere, eventually I found my only alternative was a walk in clinic. But I still needed more answers about the antibiotics vs the holistic approaches and what is going on with that.

After a day or so I came to the conclusion that I had found the right answers, enough in order to know how to proceed.

The antibiotics are failing these days, there are new strains of the diseases that are resistant, so to me in seemed logical to cross those off the list sinse that would only give me setbacks with the phony artificial immune system.

So, first of all it needs to be studied so it can be understood that Microwaves from your phone and where you live give lyme the weakness it needs to gain a permanent foot hold. You have get out of the microwaves which run at a very specific wave among many that could be used, which in fact are perfect for interfering with your body's ability to realize it is night time and for your immune system to then work correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2Xq8fCNI8

And in this way we now have a lyme epidemic. And also the waves cause calmative damage as well. And by the way, when you are in a car the phone runs off the wave chart to get thorough your car to the towers, putting it on speaker phone there does nothing.

You have to find places where there could be mold and remove yourself or the mold. I found some outside my window in the wood chipps around the pool and under some tool boxes.

The aluminum we breathe that comes out of the chemtrials talked about in the United Nations (it is no longer a theory) helps re-direct the spirochetes to places where they would otherwise not go to ... or something like that. Anyway the aluminum makes it worse, go get yours out.

You have to HAVE TO listen to the Dr Dietrich Klinghardt MD PhD videos on youtube to understand what I am talking about.

Now I realize that some of you guys will argue before unbiased watching Dr Dietrich Klinghardt. Let me say now that when you do that that means that you (not me) are stupid. And like, I really need to explain why one needs to read or watch something in order to comment on it is pathetic, that eliminates you from being able to give an opinion. I feel like adding some more insults here in preparation for these kinds of fool-trolls, but I will reserve it for later. But let me just say that if you assume you know enough already without reading more, you are probably a doctor or some other kind of idiot who is unteachable because you can only regurgitate information like a parrot and have been brain washed to realize you have no business thinking.

So there you have it. Over all I look at this as a new opportunity and adventure, as I suspect that the reason why I had lost the beautiful clarity I had in my 20's as I walked through nature and my now persistent dullness, my hip, knee, back, and neck problems in the past over the last 30 years may had had to do with lyme anyway. We shall see. I think I already had some kind of spirokete problem that I was combating. So this may be an opportunity to once and for all make some progress. Perhaps some people will learn not to use the cell phone all day, which is makes sperm stupid (proven fact) and some good things will come out of all this, good thing the Dr. Rawls protocol and pills that just arrived for $250.

In the mean time I have pressure in my head from my immune system working, a slight temperature, and my 2" bulls eye is going all over the place, it is no longer a bulls eye but a big red spot, and there are now two other spots. It is interesting had these doctors really have not developed a way to see you immediately, I need to wait here like an idiot.

I am not sure I wrote everything correct here, so when I read it again for the 10th time I might find a way to change it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Georgia_Guidestones-lowres.jpg

http://redefininggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/ggcube.jpg



A one hour and thirty minute 1:35:01 youtube lecture by Dr. Klinghardt. Here is a sample:

Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt about Lyme Disease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXqxRfG0jk

00:00 Well welcome everyone today we are honored to have with us Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt who I've known for many years. Actually, one of my earliest mentors and help me understand some of the foundations of natural health and how one can apply it to facilitate and accelerate healing. And I would have to first start off first start off the interview with a warning though. That if you become a fan of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt the key thing is to know is that things will change. So he is always on the leading edge. I am always amazed when I come bank to him how much more he has learned. When you think you have learned it all you find out there is a magnitude more to learn. That is what he is going to enlighten us on today. And an important topic which is Lyme disease. Even some experts belive that everyone has been exposed to Lyme disease and may have it in some way shape form or another. But clearly there are those who have it who are severely disabled and crippled and Dr. Klinghardt has actually suffered with this himself, so as a result of this he had a personal passion, and really has been on the journey he is going to share with us and really tell us how he has evolved in treatments and strategies and protocols and what he has learned from decades, many decades of clinical experience that has been found to be effective. So welcome back Dr. Klinghardt. Thank you Joe, it is good seeing you again. Yes indeed, likewise. So um we are here today to talk about the Lyme disease. So why don't you start because your just a phenomenal lecturer. You one of the comments I failed to mention, when you do attend one of your lectures, it just seems like you can go, I don't know if anyone is more skilled to go on and on for hours and hours and hours without notes or power points, you're just a wealth of knowledge, its just shocking, so lets start where ever you feel is appropriate and I will dialog and interject with some questions as we go along. The issue with Lyme disease, the only thing that is new with Lyme disease is that many of us have realized that pretty much all chronic illnesses in one way or another way the outcome of chronic infection or at least contributed to by chronic infection. Even 15 years ago most of us thought that chronic illnesses are the outcome of toxicity of environmental toxicity and everything related to that. But we got a little wiser and realized that the issues go far deeper. And what has been astounding to us when we look at illnesses that are well established in the conventional medical field, like Parkinson, Multiple Scorsese or chronic fatigue all turning out to be chronic infections with this particular expression of it. And, right at the center of that it is really the discovery of Lyme disease and when I say Lyme disease I like to use the definition of the new Lyme disease, that means it is a new illness transferred by insect but please hear me here, we are not calling it anymore tick born disease because we know that mosquitoes can carry Lyme disease and many other serious infections. Um, and we know that spiders, flees, mites, can carry these illnesses. So to limit it to tick born disease as it was until recently has been too narrow a focus. And I like to take a big look at this whole thing. In modern genetics when we break down our genome we find entire long sequences in there that come out of the insect kingdom, that come out of the bacteria kingdom, the virus kingdom, that have actually become part of the human genome. What that basically means is that we are discovering a new theory of evolution. That these chronic infections were always an attempt of evolution to mingle with our genes, expand them to change them and once and a while something good comes out of it. ......skipping ahead to the dirty smoke radiation ... 33:50 And so we suspect that these creatures have been with us for a very long time. And what really has changed is change in external factors, that is the toxicity in us, in the air and in the food and the amalgam fillings, root canals the food residues, all the things you talk about in your website, the vaccines. There is one big aspect and one we know for sure because the research on it, the electro smoke, the ambient _ in the house the growth the _ of the microbe lives naturally in us and we know that the amount of microwave exposure from the cell phone radiation is near doubling now every two years. The amount to the expose is doubling in near catastrophic amounts. Where one of my primary treatments for Lyme disease is to get into treatment is to get into protective clothing that shields them from incoming microwaves, which shields the bedside, we turn off the wireless internet at home, we put shielding paint on the houses, and that has been a more successful strategy in treating Lyme disease and to get people neurologically well then any of the antibiotics and any of the microbial compounds, that has been more successful then every single strategy. And so I know it is wrong for us to overly emphasize on the microbe. We need to know what is driving the microbe. They were historically happily living with us symbiotically, they may have always caused mild damage, we do not know, or a premature aging, we do not know for sure. But this virulence that is appearing now is a new phenomenon and it could only be explained with two things, 1.) A mutation of the spirochete or one of the yet invisible co-infections or opportunistic infections FD Pfizer suspects protozoa infections ... we do not know for sure. But we know for sure that the exposure to the electrostatic fields that we are undergoing right now is insane it's driving the growth of the . Several Russian resources on that have shown that. Well thank you for that explanation, and it sounds like from your prospective that one of the most important things you can do, and it makes sense, and clearly the world is coming, the scientific community through the new publications research is validating the position we have held for many years, decades, that the exposure to these electrostatic fields are particularly harmful and they are causing serious problems down the road, many of which we are not seeing, I mean you certainly witnessing some of them now with the individuals who are struggling now with the Lyme disease, but there are millions, tens of millions, maybe even more who similarity to many smokers now who with a chronic exposure to smoke and come with cancers down the road 10 20 30 years later. So I thank you for that perspective and ....37:28
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 1, 2017 - 05:21am PT
I am feeling good enough to go climbing but I have a stuffy head. My brain feels like it has peanut butter all over it. I am selling my house and Toyota tacoma, too much wifi in those.

Update: "I am selling my house". Not sure why I wrote that, I got no house to sell, makes no sense.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 3, 2017 - 06:11am PT
No sure why no one is saying much. Anyway my brain no longer feels clogged with water, like I was underwater. Now I just have a headache. My personality has changed and I have become a lizard from the day the bulls eye appeared. That has not changed, I still have a lizard brain, I have no emotions and have a very short temper.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 3, 2017 - 10:19am PT
Persistent Lyme is very real, however so are 1000 other different afflictions that it mimics. So it's essential to find a lyme-literate neurologist and get a full workup done.

Unfortunately this is going to cost you some big $$$ as most of these Dr's don't deal with insurance since persistent Lyme goes against the idsa guidelines.

I can get you some names in ct....
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 4, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
Yes, I am going to go see Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt about Lyme Disease
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXqxRfG0jk&t=4494s

I see here in Wikipedia I read: " there is no reproducible or convincing scientific evidence of any relationship to B. burgdorferi infection."[2] There is no clinical evidence that "chronic" Lyme disease is caused by a persistent infection.[3]"

Most of the Doctors follow idiotic protocols, such as looking for Lyme in the wrong places with the wrong method. The first thing I do, which works for me, is throw these guys in the garbage where they belong because of the reason I mentioned above.

I am now doing much better following Dr. Rawls protocl, a Dr. who had Lyme and took antibiotics to find they did not work in his case.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 6, 2017 - 07:32am PT
now i just have a headache on and off, the tick I got from was tested for all kinds of diseases and they came up negative. However, I may have got bit by a separate tick which is a possibility. I feel normal between headaches which are on and off every few seconds. I got some wifi blocking clothing and have been sleeping out of the wifi, I also got rid of my cell phone and all that seems to help. As soon as I put the wifi blocking hoodie on I started to feel just slightly better, I could feel a difference. And I am taking all those herbs and vitamins, eating sauerkraut and drinking cabutcha.

My family is apposed to removing all the places where there is mold, the pool deck, the tiles in the basement I put in, and they refuse to make efforts to cut down on the radiation that has been shown to hurt lyme suffers, they are apposed to any kind of progress. So I need to move out. Even if they believed the facts, which they do not even when they do not study the cases, they would still not change. They would need to have the problem to be so inconvenienced, I already understand that. Some people would rather die or have you die then give up their cell phone and electric breakers at night, go figure.

I realize this is kind of a blog and I apologies for that, but I think it is important because it changes the way you should and the way I am going to approach the cliffs on the east coast so as to never see another tick. Maybe I will only climb below 32 degrees or in a tyvek suit.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Sep 6, 2017 - 09:12am PT
Maybe I will only climb below 32 degrees or in a tyvek suit.

Try a hasmat suit maybe? First thing I do when I get to the crags is pull down my pants and spray liberal amounts of Deet all over, front and back, then up and down my hairy legs. Works everytime like "ticks-b-gone".

Arne
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 6, 2017 - 10:23am PT
Ticks are there below 32 under the surface.... last Februaru we dug a deep hole through about 3' of snow and into the leaf litter underneath. It was 10 degrees on the surface of the snow. Yep, live ticks underneath that crawled right on!

Permethrin treated clothes (Sawyer yellow bottle), and DEET are my friends. PITA but they work. If you're not using these and spend time in the New England woods, you'll get ticks, guaranteed.

If you believe that electromagnetic waves harm you, why not schedule some quality time in the middle of nowhere to try and prove that point? I'd imagine some Northern Canadian spots are pretty devoid of most man-made emissions and still relatively easy to reach...


Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 6, 2017 - 10:45am PT
Two things;

1;
My own single, one-time experience is much more typical: Got "the rash" (no tick or bite actually observed)...took the pills......& then, other than that -- nothing.

So, you got the bullseye and caught it in time. You went on antibiotics, yet argue that Lyme isn't a big deal. Why'd you take the meds? Beyond that, I've yet to read one single thing from you that isn't either negative or contradictory. Maybe work on that.

2;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Quiet_Zone

It's an actual place where there are no microwaves. ;)
80tripp

Social climber
the woods
Sep 6, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
And if Lyme weren't enough, there's Powassan encephalitis to worry about.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/tick-bite-caused-death-hudson-valley-teen-doctors-article-1.1433604

At least it kills quickly. No one's going to be disabled with chronic Powassan.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 7, 2017 - 08:02am PT
....the scientific establishment.....

Which, at one time, wholly supported your flat-earth observation.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 7, 2017 - 08:08am PT
The nutjobbery is starting to get neck-deep here...
Moosely

Social climber
Reno
Sep 8, 2017 - 04:36am PT
Of course, a "scientific mindset" is not synonymous with rationality (note, for example, Linus Pauling's pathetic maundering about "Vitamin C").


What's "not synonymous with rationality" is your derogatory comment about Pauling.

Apparently you're blindly repeating the propaganda of the criminal corporate medical business against Pauling with your dismissive statement about him.

With almost total certainty, people who accuse Pauling of this piece of allopathic propaganda or who ridicule Pauling are either (1) pawns and hacks of the massive business of conventional medicine, (2) unwitting people who repeat their propaganda, (3) people who never actually looked deeply into Pauling's work and dietary supplements, or (4) people who fall into a combination of the former categories.

Primarily it is the corrupt BUSINESS of orthodox medicine and their salespeople who keep ridiculing Pauling as some deluded Nobel Prize winner. And it doesn't take a genius to see why: Pauling had been threatening the huge bottom line of big corporate medicine. Here is a good example of a hack MD who has been discrediting Pauling and supplements with disinformation and lies: read the scholarly article "2 Big Lies: No Vitamin Benefits & Supplements Are Very Dangerous" by a published author of the Orthomolecular Medicine News organization (visit http://www.supplements-and-health.com/vitamin-benefits.html ).

If you look closely, you'll find that politics by the allopathy -- instead of real science -- is almost always behind the truly unscientific dumb attacks against Pauling. It's indicative of how little real science is behind the various claims of traditional medicine...
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 8, 2017 - 06:42am PT
As if the dietary supplements business wasn't a corrupt and more often than not criminal enterprise.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 11, 2017 - 01:33am PT

Sep 6, 2017 - 09:12am PT
Maybe I will only climb below 32 degrees or in a tyvek suit.

Try a hasmat suit maybe? First thing I do when I get to the crags is pull down my pants and spray liberal amounts of Deet all over, front and back, then up and down my hairy legs. Works everytime like "ticks-b-gone".

Arne


The Lone star tick does not give sh#t what you spray, and if your breathing meat they're running for ya from as far away as 39 feet or jumping from leaves of onto your head, ticks do do this! And besides, if you do get bit you can not longer use a natural protocol, which is the way to go these days. When you detox you will be Deeting yourself to death! I like the white suite idea, good idea! But I am certainly not being lazy about the situation anymore. And bring some battery operated hedge clippers for the trail, if you are climbing up every damn weekend.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 11, 2017 - 01:36am PT
"If you believe that electromagnetic waves harm you, why not schedule some quality time in the middle of nowhere to try and prove that point?"

I have been looking at a lot of Dr videos and what they are saying is that their patients do better out of the radiation, especially at night, and this and vaccines etc is the reason they suppose that Lyme is now a disease rather then just a bump in the road.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 11, 2017 - 01:43am PT
Which, at one time, wholly supported your flat-earth observation.

LOL, that is one of the greatest come backs of all time of what I ever read of any foarm. I will go to the grave and never forget this one Fear! A real gem! You got any more like this? I need to write these down now and put them in my journal.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 11, 2017 - 02:14am PT
Sep 8, 2017 - 06:42am PT
As if the dietary supplements business wasn't a corrupt and more often than not criminal enterprise.


I think that's a Tu quoque argument.The point is that big pharma has nothing to do with supporting your immune system or lasting cures or removing the problem. They primarily treat symptoms and are not educated in herbs or food or what a patients body likes or does not like. They are incapable of thinking abstractly, for example they need to always follow specific protocols irregardless of individual circumstances regarding chemo, which does not work, and when it does is meant to be a temporary fix as defined by how they use the word "cured". A carefully study of the pharmaceutical companies is very revealing. It was started by chemical companies.

My headache was continuing until I rubbed frankincense into it with coconut oil. That helped a lot. I also could read some junk and realized I need to double my intake of Japanese Knot weed,
Olive Leaf Astragalus etc.

And btw, if any of you guys work for the pharmaceutical industry this information is not for you. There is no reasoning with you, your unteachable and have no idea what real learning has to do with.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 11, 2017 - 08:09am PT
That helped a lot.

As long as you think so then keep on rubbing!
Nobody disputes the efficacy of a gud placebo!
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 11, 2017 - 09:59am PT
There is no reasoning with you, your unteachable and have no idea what real learning has to do with.

Au contraire my friend... They've learned to make money, lots of it.

You mistake moral depravity for low intelligence.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 11, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
touché !
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 11, 2017 - 03:40pm PT
Dear Mr Reilly,

When you get bit by the Lone Star Tick and your head feels split and your screaming like you are out of your wits, the only recourse, the only thing that I have found to do is to run hot water over your head 110 degrees for 20 minutes, then rub frankincense in there with the oil to take it in, and if you go climbing or get on a bike then the oxygen or what ever it is makes the headache go away. Why would I lie? I have a little headache now, but have been OK all day. If it gets bad I will do all of the above.

However a warning, If your body is not pure and you have already been doing pharmaceuticals and antibiotics the hot water will release the toxins out of the fat cells into your head and just about kill you under hot water. You would have to do chelation therapy first.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 25, 2017 - 08:24am PT
From 8/25 -9/25 all I could think about was Borrelia Stari wondering about Borrelia Burgdorferi. I have no fear only meningitis. For that I come near death in hot water for 20 minutes every day bring up my body core temp to convolution territory 104.5 for 10 minutes. Now I only do 103.5 for 20 minutes. Then I do my legs in the morning. I use a thermometer in my ear to get a reading on my core. When I bath my legs I get up to 101.5 and sweating for awhile after. I have someone watch me in the tub so I don't die as easily. Gotta do it, but I would say 104.5 is not a good idea. I am also taking Dr. Rawls herbalist blend along with some hemp oil.

Now after so many days the melanoma is subsiding and I can sleep. What a ride! I should be 100% 30 days. I am glad I never saw a medical doctor, they cure nothing. I probably would end up with dementia or some other ailment in the future if I saw those quacks. If I get bit again, which will not happen because I am hereafter going in a tievek suit, I will already be on the astragalus every day with a little Japanese knotweed in my coffee.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 25, 2017 - 04:24pm PT
probably would end up with dementia...

Probably...?
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2017 - 07:56pm PT
Donald, I'd suggest you at least consult with a real doctor. If you choose to not follow his/her/it's advice that's OK too, but you should at least peek in that dark hole to see whats what from that point of view so you receive all sides of info. Did you not read Lynn's post about Dan?

Can anyone post up a Lyme expert in Donald's area? Donald, what general location are you?

Donald Perry quote:
"From 8/25 -9/25 all I could think about was Borrelia Stari wondering about Borrelia Burgdorferi. I have no fear only meningitis. For that I come near death in hot water for 20 minutes every day bring up my body core temp to convolution territory 104.5 for 10 minutes. Now I only do 103.5 for 20 minutes. Then I do my legs in the morning. I use a thermometer in my ear to get a reading on my core. When I bath my legs I get up to 101.5 and sweating for awhile after. I have someone watch me in the tub so I don't die as easily. Gotta do it, but I would say 104.5 is not a good idea. I am also taking Dr. Rawls herbalist blend along with some hemp oil.

Now after so many days the melanoma is subsiding and I can sleep. What a ride! I should be 100% 30 days. I am glad I never saw a medical doctor, they cure nothing. I probably would end up with dementia or some other ailment in the future if I saw those quacks. If I get bit again, which will not happen because I am hereafter going in a tievek suit, I will already be on the astragalus every day with a little Japanese knotweed in my coffee. "
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 25, 2017 - 08:30pm PT
You've got melanoma now too? Geez... That generally doesn't 'subside'...
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 26, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
I have been consulting with experts, and I have the book HEALING LYME by Dr. Steven Harrod Buhner second edition. All the Doctors say the same thing. Just keep eating the rabbit food twice a day.

Today I felt fairly normal, a little paranoid that it was temporary even through it has been getting better every day, in the beginning it was getting worse every day. The top of my head is starting not to hurt. I just feel a little weak, I could do a 5.11 though.

We have a normal size tub and I do not fit in it. So every evening I get in it and let my legs stick out. The water temperature is 110 degrees F. After 20 minutes my temperature is 104.3. It takes awhile for my temperature to come back down, I just sit there on the pot. The whole time I have someone watch me in case I pass out or something. I have already been at 104.5 for a long period and now I just jump it up there at the end. I kind of know what I Am doing at this point. You can not do this if you are full of antibiotics or GMO sh#t, you may have a really bad reaction. The antibiotics do not work 30 percent of the time, so I did not bother with them, and I do not think they are a rock solid solution because you can not take them every day forever. I take about 30 pills twice a day, and I open the jell caps into a glass. I think those make you constipated. It is important that you do not get constipated, I learned that early on, you need to eat a lot of prunes or you get backed up like you are gonna die. In 30 more days or less I think this will all be in the past at the rate I am going now. In the morning what I do is bath only my legs. The idea I have is to kill all the baby spirochetes and when the adults die there will be nothing left. That and the natural antibiotics, cats claw, Japanese knot weed etc is working slowly but surly. I am also keeping out of the wifi and mold, and I no longer have a cell anywhere near me.

Hope this helps.

One more thing. Anything over 100 and you are putting yourself in the death zone. You can die in the tub, so be warned. Below 105 your body can go into convulsions. Do whatever you want to do, but ask your quack medical doctor before you do anything like any of this.

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 26, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
Sorry, I meant Meningitis https://g.co/kgs/Hciean
perswig

climber
Sep 27, 2017 - 03:54am PT
We have a normal size tub and I do not fit in it. So every evening I get in it and let my legs stick out. The water temperature is 110 degrees F. After 20 minutes my temperature is 104.3. It takes awhile for my temperature to come back down, I just sit there on the pot. The whole time I have someone watch me in case I pass out or something. I have already been at 104.5 for a long period and now I just jump it up there at the end. I kind of know what I Am doing at this point. You can not do this if you are full of antibiotics or GMO sh#t, you may have a really bad reaction. The antibiotics do not work 30 percent of the time, so I did not bother with them, and I do not think they are a rock solid solution because you can not take them every day forever. I take about 30 pills twice a day, and I open the jell caps into a glass. I think those make you constipated. It is important that you do not get constipated, I learned that early on, you need to eat a lot of prunes or you get backed up like you are gonna die. In 30 more days or less I think this will all be in the past at the rate I am going now. In the morning what I do is bath only my legs. The idea I have is to kill all the baby spirochetes and when the adults die there will be nothing left. That and the natural antibiotics, cats claw, Japanese knot weed etc is working slowly but surly. I am also keeping out of the wifi and mold, and I no longer have a cell anywhere near me.



What dafuk just happened there?
Dale
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 29, 2017 - 06:11am PT
what happened there is I am getting cured from a type of Lyme without antibiotics, Understand Dude. Okay? Maybe you need to start at the beginning of my rant.
c wilmot

climber
Sep 29, 2017 - 07:16am PT
I think our gov is either spreading ticks with disease or is allowing people to do so. In the northeast there is several new tick borne diseases that have suddenly occurred -far outside of their previous range

How hard would it be to breed ticks with infectious disease?
How hard would it be to disperse these ticks by small aircraft?

And the big one- how much $$$$ can be made off of making people sick with diseases that are treated with pharmaceuticals?
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 29, 2017 - 07:39am PT
This guy says that we have always had these "diseases", but hat the cell phones and other things make it so that our immune systems do not work any more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXqxRfG0jk I got rid of my wifi, cell phone and sleep where there are no microwaves.
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2017 - 02:44pm PT
C wilmont noted above, quote:
"I think our gov is either spreading ticks with disease or is allowing people to do so. In the northeast there is several new tick borne diseases that have suddenly occurred -far outside of their previous range"


Nazi's collaborating with the US government? The evidence is very strong that our government created the Lyme epidemic. Here's Aaron and Melissa Dykes well researched story about it titled "The Officially Ignored Connection Between Lyme Disease and Plum Island" http://truthstreammedia.com/2017/09/09/officially-ignored-connection-lyme-disease-plum-island/

Snippett:
"....Lyme Disease was not discovered or recognized until the mid 70s when there was an outbreak of what doctors originally mistook for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis in several southeastern Connecticut towns including Lyme and Old Lyme, which is how the disease got its name. A newspaper archive search revealed that the bacteria that causes Lyme, Borrelia burgdorferi, wasn’t mentioned in print in newspapers until 1984 (although Google newspapers came back with nothing at all).

If you look at these towns on a map, you’ll notice they are right directly across the Long Island Sound from Plum Island, which has been a government animal disease research facility since the mid 1950s and doubled as a military biological warfare research facility.

It’s less than nine miles from shore to shore the way the crow flies.

The outbreak and concentration of Lyme Disease in this country centers around that place. The CDC admits that 95% of cases of Lyme come from just 14 states, the majority of which are located around Plum Island.

Plum Islands biowarfare ties date back to World War II and Operation Paperclip, a top secret government program to shield Nazi scientists from trial or punishment by quietly bringing them over to the U.S. and giving them new identities and U.S. citizenship in exchange for working for the government and military.

One such Nazi scientists was Dr. Erich Traub, lab chief during World War II for Nazi Germany’s Insel Riems – a secret biological warfare laboratory on an island (sound familiar?) in the Baltic Sea where Traub worked directly under Hitler’s #2 Heinrich Himmler. His job included spraying viruses from planes over occupied Russia. Prior to the war, just by the way, Traub had been involved in Nazi activities in the U.S. at Camp Siegfried on Long Island just 30 miles from Plum Island while he was here on a fellowship studying viruses and bacteria at, of all places, the Rockefeller Institute.

Plum Island was specifically named for Cold War biowarfare research alongside Dugway Proving Ground and Fort Detrick back in the early ’50s when the US biowarfare program and clandestine germ warfare trials first began. Seems like they got the location idea from Insel Reims.

Gee, can’t imagine who gave them that idea.

Dr. Erich Traub completed his Operation Paperclip duties working for the American biological warfare program from 1949 to 1953, during which time he consulted with the CIA and scientists at Fort Detrick before returning to West Germany in 1953 to run the country’s own Insel Riems-like experimental virus facility in Tübingen (with the U.S. government’s permission). Not only did USDA officials visit Traub’s lab over there, but Traub also briefly worked for the USDA which oversees Plum Island and throughout the ’50s he was in regular contact with Plum Island’s Director Doc Shahan. Dr. Traub was also at the Plum Island dedication ceremony in 1956 and visited the place at least twice after that in 57 and 58, when Plum Island’s lead scientist Dr. Jacob Traum retired and the USDA considered replacing him with who else? Dr. Erich Traub.

In the 70s, attorney John Loftus was hired by the office of special investigations, a unit set up by the Justice
department to look into Nazi war crimes. He was given a top secret clearance and allowed access to decades worth of classified documents. Among other things, Loftus turned up records of Nazi germ warfare scientists who came to the US and experimented with dropping poison ticks from planes to spread rare diseases. He also specifically mentioned in his book The Belarus Secret that he received information that suggested the U.S. tested some of these poison ticks on the Plum Island artillery range during the early 1950s. This story was further validated by attorney Michael Carroll in his book Lab 257. Carroll claims that not only did a source who worked on Plum Island in the 50s tell him that some of the workers purposefully released ticks outdoors on the island in 1951 when it was still Fort Terry and that one of the scientists involved was called the quote, “Nazi scientist,” but Carroll says he dug up a box of 1950s USDA files from the National Archives vault that included three folders: two labeled “tick research” and one labeled “E. Traub”. Both were empty.

Even more damning, in an article in the Journal of Degenerative Diseases, Marjorie Tietjen reported that 60% of chronic Lyme patients are actually co-infected with several strains of mycoplasma, the most common one being “mycoplasma fermentens” which is patented by the U.S. Army and army pathologist Dr. Lo; Pathogenic mycoplasma, U.S. Patent 5,242,820 issued Sept. 7, 1993........."
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 4, 2017 - 05:30pm PT
Borrelia is an almost perfect bug. It's likely that way due to millions of years feasting on mammals in a largely symbiotic fashion.

Do a little research on current in vitro trials where they're trying to kill the bug in the several different forms it can assume. It's an amazing and almost intelligent but still single celled bug.

People didn't create Borrelia, it's been here for far longer than us.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 5, 2017 - 10:59am PT
I did the traverse under double clutch yesterday, thought I could not walk to the Uuberfall. But instead I felt better as the day went on. Almost blacked out under the roof, I barley made it. I have been doing almost completly nothing for 6 weeks.

I have not done ANY antibiotics, there is no antibiotics in my milk or meat. And in my house I am away from the wifi and I no longer use a cell phone unless I need to call 911, it has to be really important. I do not use it for weeks at a time. I need to get some maps. There is a sh#t load of sh#t I need to stay away from because my only hope is my immune system and taking hot baths. (I like using the bath because it is easy to get my temperature up to 102-103 while using a thermometer.) My hip joint was bothering me more before, but I started taking magnesium and phosphorus and some other stuff again ... as well as the minerals from Longevity and bone broth soup. I lost my hip joint in 2010 and grew it back by 2011.

I think I will be at 100% in two more weeks at the rate I am going, we shall see, it has been six so far. However keep in mind I have STARI, yet I had meningitis and it has been a really bad time for me and worse then for some Lyme patients on the short term. Maybe the Stari has activated some old Lyme I had from bites for other ticks? Maybe that is why my hip went ... I got back to 90% by eating organic and cutting out the milk and bread. The test for Lyme involves looking at my immune system to see if it is working and then the typical treatment involves killing it, I think that is kind of ironic.

Some people do not have the same results. I would argue that this has to do with not having the perfect protocol which would include detoxing from antibiotics. I think that if the herbs do not work it may have to do with where they are grown or some other factors one needs to be more meticulous about. The spirochetes can adapt to antibiotics but they do not adapt to reform a resistance to the herbs. Yet I would have to agree that the hot baths have a key role in helping me. [I guess the only way to know for sure is allow myself to get chronic Lyme, other then that this is all speculation.]

Due to my run-out go for it mentality if I got bit by a rabid dog I would probably attempt to battle it out with the buggers rather then take the vaccine if I studied it intensively before hand and thought I could do it, which might end up in a creator. I suppose some people might think A.6 is safer. Or maybe I would cave in, but you only have a short time to do that and the only other person to succeed still has problems. I wonder what temperature rabies dies off at?

Looking back I think I can say I am now in a place where I can live, but I know my thinking is still not up to 100% yet in comparison to what I was doing before, but I am getting better every day. What a ride!
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 6, 2017 - 01:24pm PT
I am going climbing Saturday, I think I can handle a 5.11 and I do not have any brain fog. This is what I am eating. I think success has a lot to do with the grade of supplements you are using, when it goes from plant> shipping >factory>powder>factory>pill>shipping>store in that time alot of the chemical constituents of the plant are degraded and lost.

about 2000 mg 2 x a day

Astragalus from NOW FOODS

Andrographis from NOW FOODS

Japanese Knot Weed [authentic Chinese botanicals Polygonum cuspidatum rhizoma 100% organic Japanese knotweed powder ] from nuherbs organics.

Magnesium Glycinate from Metabolic Maintenance suggested by David Wolfe.

Bone Collangenizer by ULTRA suggested by David Wolfe

Phosphorus by wellness one (tm) world

Olive Leaf Extract NON-GMO from NOORISH

Youngevity Tangy Tangerine 2.0 Has a lot of minerals
Youngevity Beyond Osteo-fx Powder which includes calcium, which I do not want to take because David Wood says it does nothing.

Distilled Fish Oil by green pastures

VITAL PLAN . COM

Advanced Biotic: Japanese Knotweed / Cat's Claw / AP-Bio (tm) Andrographis / New Gar (tm) Garlic Poweder / Sarsaparilla Root / Berberine / Other ingredients are: Beat Fiber / Plant based magnesium / saturate plant cellulose

Mitochondrial Support: Vitamine C and E, Setria Glutahione, N Aceyl Cysteine NAC, Coenzyme Q10,

Adaptogen Recovery: Chinese skullcap Extract / Cordyceps Sinensis CS-4, Reishi Mushroom Extract / Rehmania Extract.

Prevention Plus a load of vitamins and minerals.

PS My lymphatic system was bothering me because I was doing too much sitting. My back felt like someone hit me with a 2 x 10. That thing does not work unless your moving, your heart is not what makes it circulate.

Still learning, hope this may be of help. It took me a long time to figure all this sh#t out. Get the book HEaling Lyme 2nd edition and use that as your guide.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 7, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
I was able to drive from NJ to, walk to, and climb dirty gerty and some other thing just as hard. Then I came right back home. I did not feel light headed or dizzy.

I think I am getting better. I sometimes feel like I have a fever when I do not, and I creep very slowly like an insect when I walk, but it feels OK.

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 7, 2017 - 08:58pm PT
Hey, whatever works to make you feel better DJP....

Glad you had a good day.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 8, 2017 - 06:07am PT
Thanks,

And I wanted to mention one more interesting thing. Okay, so yesterday I walked about 2 miles with a pack and did two climbs. My hip joints which I rebuilt from scratch are doing better since I started taking the magnesium and phosphorus and BioSil - Bone Collagenizer and bone broth soup. But I only just started taking them. About a week ago I could not go to sleep my joints were in such extreme pain, until I started rubbing them.

So anyway, last light I was in the bath and by accident in the last 5 minutes we found I was up to 106.7. But the funny thing is it felt more like 102. The other day I was hyperventilating around that temperature. But after all this exercise, which is a lot for me for what I have been doing lately, I felt fine. So we let it go for 5 minutes and the effects were not so bad. The usual, I can not get out of the tub for 10 minutes, but not too bad. I think all the exercise cleared my lymphatic system because I think that mainly works on body moment where you have these one way valves and moment is what drives the bad bacteria through there. I had a really bad backache in my lymphatic system but now its not so bad.

So this means a few things. Most importantly, high body temperatures will have different effects on different people, but also on the same person depending on what they did that day. It is very dangerous, so you at least need help doing it. I would not recommend doing it at all, and surly not alone.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:54am PT
I wanted to share with you guys two things. I noticed that when my brain is working well I throw sh#t out. So this is encouraging, I am now able to throw my horded piles into the trash. I am trowing out all my old pills, but I thought you might like to see the collection I amassed over the years. A lot of the stuff I do not even know the reason I bought it, but at the time there was a good reason. I came to the realization of how important it is to have fresh pills ... and if it is not in my daily bucket it needs to go. Whats the point of having it if it is not getting used. I suppose I should add some new pills out of these labels as time goes on though. It seems that super topo cuts the pixels down,so I will post a link in case you want to zoom in.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/donaldjamesperry/Gunks-Talk/DSC_00181_zpsdhwremdh.jpg
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 9, 2017 - 08:02am PT
Even more damning, in an article in the Journal of Degenerative Diseases, Marjorie Tietjen reported that 60% of chronic Lyme patients are actually co-infected with several strains of mycoplasma, the most common one being “mycoplasma fermentens” which is patented by the U.S. Army and army pathologist Dr. Lo; Pathogenic mycoplasma, U.S. Patent 5,242,820 issued Sept. 7, 1993........."

This statement is patently false. Neither the U.S. Army nor Shyh-Ching Lo invented the novel mycoplasma fermentans strain he isolated from Kaposi's sarcoma of a patient with AIDS patients (m. f. incognitus). Hell, he and his team didn't even know it was a mycoplasma at first but rather thought it was a virus mainly because mycoplasma strains tend to be among the smallest units of self-replicating DNA in existence. All of these strains pre-date Dr. Lo's birth by a considerable frame of time.

...use of the mycoplasma M. fermentans incognitus as well as all strains of M. fermentans in detecting specific antibodies in sera of patients with AIDS or an acute fulminant systemic disease and/or animals and its use as a vaccine against infection by the mycoplasma.

The whole Plum Island tract is nonsense. Recent research into the evolutionary history of the Lyme genome shows it again pre-dates its recent emergence.

To explore the evolutionary history of B. burgdorferi in North America, we collected ticks from across the USA and southern Canada from 1984 to 2013 and sequenced the, to our knowledge, largest collection of 146 B. burgdorferi s.s. genomes. Here, we show that B. burgdorferi s.s. has a complex evolutionary history with previously undocumented levels of migration. Diversity is ancient and geographically widespread, well pre-dating the Lyme disease epidemic of the past ~40 years, as well as the Last Glacial Maximum ~20,000 years ago. This means the recent emergence of human Lyme disease probably reflects ecological change—climate change and land use changes over the past century—rather than evolutionary change of the bacterium.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 9, 2017 - 08:34am PT
That, and they found Lyme dna on that freeze-dried climber (even older than Werner)

https://www.livescience.com/18704-oldest-case-lyme-disease-spotted-iceman-mummy.html
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 9, 2017 - 08:50am PT
Well, I am sure the army is not so stupid that they would not consider using Lyme or some such things to preform certain tasks. They do more then just blow up sh#t.

healyje, what do you think of this movie? Maybe you have a good answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbA2HFJ949U&index=64&t=221s&list=WL

Did that "THIS WILL SHOCK YOU TO YOUR CORE 911 From Cheney to Mossad" ?

Here is another, I Thought it was obvious, and never doubted for one second that it was controlled ... Larry Silverstein and Secretary of State John Kerr both said it was controlled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmx-DiWUqfs

CIA Agent Confesses On Deathbed: ‘We Blew Up WTC7 On 9 11’
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 11, 2017 - 06:07am PT
These two videos are kind of interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHH3zArD9-c&t=2008

This one below is from the perspective of someone trapped in a Psychotherapy hospital. Nice music.

In memory of Aaron Dover I post his video, RIP

The Satanic Hoax of "Modern Medicine" and the Secret NHS Death Camps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPGadzJCayQ

And BTW no, I do not believe it the flat earth theory. And I certainly do not believe everything Aaron says in his video, but he nails the basic concepts of the Alchemists Pharmaceutical Doctors VS [pharmaceuticals ie poisons. The way pharmaceuticals are made is they have a dosage with kills an animal and from there they cut it by 50% and then through a process they calculate a persentace where by they can use it. It is a poison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spoucYXa3-A Codex Alimentarius 1 of 4] VS the Herbalist right on the head! I consider his video a most spectacular wonderful and beautiful work of art.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 13, 2017 - 04:16pm PT
http://www.prohealth.com/lyme/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=29931

How I Discovered Hyperthermia for Lyme Disease and Why It Works

Reprinted from New Paradigms in Lyme Disease Treatment: 10 Top Doctors Reveal Healing Strategies that Work, with the kind permission of Friedrich R. Douwes, MD and Connie Strasheim. To learn more about the book and to read more about Dr. Douwes’ treatment approach, see: www.NewLymeTreatments.com.

It was entirely by coincidence that I began treating Lyme disease patients and ended up discovering a groundbreaking new treatment for Lyme. It started in 2000, when two cancer patients who also had Lyme disease came to my clinic. One was from Boston, and the other was from Canada. The Canadian woman had advanced breast cancer with metastases to her lungs, liver and bones. When I took a history on these women, both told me that they actually suffered more from symptoms of Lyme than from symptoms of cancer! Their symptoms were typical of cancer, but because I had not worked with Lyme disease patients before, I did not know that some of their symptoms could also be due to Lyme disease.

I gave them whole-body hyperthermia treatments for their cancers. Hyperthermia in its various forms is a very effective and well-researched cancer treatment. Cancer cells die in the presence of high heat, so many doctors worldwide use hyperthermia on their cancer patients.

There are different types of hyperthermia, including whole-body hyperthermia, which is what we give both our Lyme and cancer patients. For this, the patient lies down inside of a special thermal chamber similar to a large incubator. It heats the body’s tissues to 41.6° Celsius (or 107° Fahrenheit). It takes two hours to raise the body to this temperature. Once there, the body is maintained at this temperature for two hours. After the treatment, it takes two more hours for the body to cool down, which means that the patient’s temperature is elevated for a total of six hours.

Once the body has reached the maximum temperature, we administer chemotherapy (for our cancer patients). Chemotherapy is activated and potentiated by heat, so hyperthermia makes it more effective. We have had such great success with this kind of treatment approach that our clinic has become well known internationally as a cancer treatment center, and we now see patients from all over the world.

Anyway, after these two women received hyperthermia treatment for their cancers, they told us that their Lyme symptoms had also disappeared! The brain fog, tingling in their fingers, fatigue and other symptoms—were all gone. We had associated the tingling with polyneuropathy, which is a side effect of chemotherapy, but in these women, it was a symptom caused by Lyme.

I pondered this and said to my work colleagues, “Do you remember that before there were antibiotics, doctors treated syphilis (which is similar to Borrelia in its composition, structure and behavior) by intentionally infecting patients with malaria to induce a fever, which then killed the syphilis?” The treatment was called “malariotherapy.” Doctors would then give the syphilis patients the age-old drug quinine to control the fever and kill the malaria. Professor Julius Wagner-Jauregg at Vienna University was one of the first authorities in syphilis treatment, and he won a Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1927 for his discoveries.

When I recalled that doctors used to treat syphilis with heat, it made me wonder whether hyperthermia also might be effective against Borrelia, since the Borrelia organism is similar in its characteristics to syphilis. I said to my colleagues, “Could it be that our whole-body hyperthermia treatments could also be effective for Lyme disease?”
I researched the medical literature to discover whether any studies supported my hypothesis, and I found one that was conducted by a group of Swedish researchers in 1996. In the study, the researchers proved that Borrelia was “thermolabile,” or susceptible to destruction by heat, and could not tolerate high temperatures. At 39° C (or 102.2° F), they found that the spirochetes became immobile, and at 40° C (or 104° F) they shed their outer membrane, but when they were exposed to a temperature of 41.6° C (or 106.9° F) for two hours, 100 percent of the bacteria died.

I was excited to discover this, and I told my colleagues that this was exactly what we were doing by treating patients using hyperthermia; we were raising their body temperature to 41.6° C for two hours. So I suggested that we do this treatment on some Lyme disease patients just to see what would happen. I wanted to find out whether my theory had any substance, because up until this point, we had only been treating cancer patients.

Shortly thereafter, we found four or five patients with advanced Lyme disease, and gave them two whole-body hyperthermia treatments. We also gave them intravenous antibiotic therapy during the treatments and found that not only did the heat kill the microbes, but that the antibiotics were also more effective when their bodies’ temperature was elevated. This phenomenon was described in the Swedish study. According to the researchers of the study, if you administer Ceftriaxone or another antibiotic after elevating the patient’s body temperature to 41.6°, the medication’s activity becomes amplified 60-fold.

From our research and clinical observations, we discovered three things:

1) Hyperthermia kills Lyme microbes
2) Hyperthermia increases the effectiveness of antibiotics
3) Hyperthermia decreases microbes’ resistance to antibiotics and enables antibiotics to get inside the cells much more easily.

After I had treated somewhere between five and seven patients with Lyme disease, I decided to attend a medical conference in the United States to learn more about the disease. While there, I sat next to a cardiologist who told me that he had been attending the conference because his entire family had been infected with Lyme while on vacation in Austria. His wife was bedridden; his daughter had been a medical student, but could no longer attend medical school, and his younger son, who was a 10-year-old prodigy who had played the violin in public, could no longer even hold a violin and was unable to attend school.

I told the doctor that I had just discovered a new treatment for Lyme disease that was possibly superior to any other treatment modality out there, although it had only been tested on a few patients so far. The man, figuring that he had nothing to lose and everything to gain, traveled to Klinik St. Georg with his wife, son and daughter, and I treated them all with hyperthermia.

The results were amazing. The whole family got well, and the wife ended up going back to work in her husband’s clinic. The daughter finished medical school, and the son was able to play the violin again, and today – as far as I know – is the symphony conductor at his college. Successfully treating this family was the turning point for us in our approach to Lyme disease.

Our Success Rate with Hyperthermia

Not long after treating this family, we began to treat many more people with Lyme disease – maybe 50 per year initially. Now, we treat 150-200 people per year, and statistically, the patients that we see are those who have a long history of disease and who have seen somewhere between 10 and 20 doctors. They are people who have received all kinds of conventional and natural treatments, from nutrition to antibiotics—to you name it. So, when they get here, they are so-called “lost causes,” because no treatment or doctor has been able to help them thus far.

Fortunately, we have found that we are able to get over 60 percent of these patients “back to life” by using hyperthermia, along with a variety of adjunct treatments. By the time they leave our clinic, they are functioning well and are able to return to work and live a normal life. And, I have many testimonials to prove this. You can find some of these on the Klink St. Georg website: CancerClinicStGeorg.com/en/patients-testimonials.

Another 30 percent of our patients improve with the treatment, but still require additional treatments to get better. These are generally people whose bodies need repair from the damage caused by Lyme disease.

The remaining 10 percent of our patients do not experience any improvement. Now, keep in mind that we treat the most advanced cases of Lyme disease; people for whom every other treatment approach out there has failed. These people are the “worst of the worst.”

Yet, the results that we have had for others have been miraculous. We have seen people who were once bedridden or who used to have seizures every 50 minutes, or who were unable to even communicate, get well. We have seen people who were once given a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis and who couldn’t walk, return to having a normal life.

Since 2000, I have treated over 850 Lyme disease patients with mostly good results. Since we use antibiotics in conjunction with hyperthermia, I like to call our treatment approach “Antibiotic-Augmented Thermal Eradication (AAT) of Lyme disease.”

Hyperthermia is probably the only treatment out there that can eradicate Borrelia infections nearly 100 percent, because the heat goes deep into the connective tissue and joints, where most conventional treatments can’t penetrate. And, unlike other modalities, the microbes can’t develop resistance to this type of treatment. Of course, it’s unlikely that any modality can eradicate the microbes completely, because a 100 percent eradication rate doesn’t exist in medicine, but I feel that we have one of the highest rates of success in eliminating Borrelia.

Once we eliminate the Borrelia organisms with hyperthermia and antibiotics, the amount of Lyme neurotoxins in the body is also immediately and automatically reduced. This is because Borrelia throws out neurotoxins in the body literally every minute or every second, so once it is gone, this can no longer happen. Neurotoxins are one of the principal causes of symptoms in people with Lyme disease, especially neurological and rheumatic symptoms, and joint inflammation. They cause chronic, silent inflammation that is sometimes difficult to diagnose, but which causes other symptoms.

So we find that as soon as we eliminate the Borrelia, then the neurotoxins in the body also diminish to almost nothing, as does the inflammation. We’ve had patients here that used to have seizures (a sign of encephalitis and brain inflammation), but as soon as their Borrelia was eliminated, their inflammation and seizures disappeared, too. It really has been remarkable.
About Friedrich R. Douwes, MD

Friedrich R. Douwes, MD, is a medical doctor and Director of Klinik St. Georg, a world-renowned clinic in Bad Aibling, Germany, which specializes in the treatment of cancer, Lyme disease and other chronic health conditions, using conventional and complementary therapies. Dr. Douwes has treated cancer patients for over 40 years, and Lyme disease patients for over 16 years, since approximately the year 2000.

Dr. Douwes studied medicine in Germany and Switzerland and received his board certification in Internal Medicine in 1975 at the University Hospital Göttingen. He completed his fellowship in hematology and oncology at Hahnemann University in Philadelphia. Subsequently, he became the medical director of Sonnenberg Hospital, an oncology, hematology, immunology and oncological rehabilitation center, in Bad Sooden-Allendorf, Germany.

While at Sonnenberg Hospital, Dr. Douwes was dissatisfied with the outcomes that he saw with conventional cancer treatment, so he developed his own philosophy of integrative holistic medicine. Some hospitals, including the Veramed Hospitals in Brannenburg and Biomed Klinik in Bergzabern, Germany, now follow this model of medicine.

Dr. Douwes has continued to work actively and research new cancer therapies in addition to better treatments for Lyme disease and other chronic illnesses. He has become the go-to specialist for all kinds of hyperthermia treatment, including whole body, loco-regional and urethral prostate treatment protocols, and has successfully treated thousands of patients from all over the world, including many from Canada and the United States.

For many years, Dr. Douwes served as First Chairman of the charitable organization, Friends of Integrated Cancer Therapy. He is also President of the German Society for Oncology (DGO) and Founder of the German Society for Biological Cancer Control (GfBK) and Hyperthermia (DGHT).

Dr. Douwes organizes seminars and conferences for physicians and therapists, which focus on biological cancer treatments. In 2011, he organized the first International Congress for Complementary Oncology, an event that features a variety of international guest speakers who focus on integrative cancer treatment approaches.

Dr. Douwes is also a sought-after international lecturer at seminars and conferences. Numerous films about his work have been made, including Life with Cancer, which was an award-winning film project. Norwegian television has also broadcast a 45-minute film about his work with cancer patients and his work has also been featured on both German and international television.

In 2015, Dr. Douwes received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Academy of Comprehensive Integrative Medicine (ACIM) “for his contributions to the advancement of the art and science of medicine, specifically as it relates to integrative oncology.”

Dr. Douwes has authored countless scientific papers, which have been published in German and international journals. His work has been featured in Biological Medicine, Internal Journal of Clinical Oncology, Alternative Medicine, Journal for Alternative Complementary Therapy, New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet and Excerpta Medica. His work is also featured in several books.

What sets Dr. Douwes apart more than anything else is his warm and compassionate manner toward his patients. This, combined with his abundant knowledge about Lyme disease, cancer and other health conditions, makes him a unique person whom you will want on your side to overcome illness. To learn more about Dr. Douwes’ work and Klink St. Georg see: CancerClinicStGeorg.com.


Hyperthermia
Heat as a means of therapy has been known for a very long time. Even Hippocrates and the ancient Egyptians used heat therapy. Heat can cause considerable damage to living cells, hence the body can only survive for a short time with a temperature in excess of 42°C (107°F). However, the destructive force of heat is also a blessing. Used skillfully, it can help to treat cancer and tumors. Malignant growths can be controlled or may even recede as a result of targeted hyperthermia.

Hyperthermia is a non-invasive method of treatment, which on its own and in combination with traditional medicine and naturopathic-biological forms of treatment, is capable of bringing about a distinct improvement in the course of tumor diseases. Hyperthermia is also used, very successfully, in the aftercare or secondary cancer prevention. Especially metastasis and tumors that are inoperable or resistant to other treatments can be treated favorably.

Hyperthermia is one of the basic elements of the integrated cancer therapy concept of St. George Hospital. For many years now, St. George Hospital has worked intensively on researching and improving the hyperthermia therapy for the treatment of acute cancer and the after-care of cancer patients. It is considered one of the leading treatment centers in this field, world-wide.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 13, 2017 - 04:28pm PT
How To - Hyperthermia Treatment At Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUQ-lvnN7_8
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 14, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow53uy1qElI
Lyme Disease Exposed

Lyme disease is the fastest growing infectious disease on the planet. Lyme disease is curable if treated in the early stage of the illness. Without early detection and treatment Lyme disease becomes chronic where antibiotics are no longer effective. So why all the denial to diagnosis and treat it clinically?...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 14, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
Mainly because there's much more money in sick people that don't typically die than healthy ones.

There is some promising serious research going on now through j. Hopkins and a few other deep pockets.

Same political thing happened with syphilis long ago (Also a spirochete that had 1000 different symptons). It was ignored for a very long time.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 15, 2017 - 06:57am PT
The plan with Cancers and Lyme is to heal half of the people and throw them back, the other half they get to keep. The people they throw back act as their disciples to bring more victims in. And I thank God for judgement day! You should NEVER GO TO A DOCTOR and take his advice UNLESS YOU KNOW MORE THEN HE Does.

How do you do that one may ask? The answer is you research and find out what works with key words like "cure" and "Hoax" and " testimony" etc. You research what all doctors are saying.

Someone asked:

"Mr. Perry,

The earth is flat

The Sun revolves around the earth

The galaxy revolves around the sun

The earth is only 4000 years old

9/11 was an inside job

Vaccines are a conspiracy

HIV was invented by the CIA

You shouldn't take antibiotics for Lyme disease

If someone tells you he believes the first 7 things are true, should you believe the 8th????"

I can answer that question.

The question you are really asking, is can I simply accept what everyone else believes, can I continue to learn as I always have through my schooling and expect to always and every time come to facts and the truth? The answer to this is obviously no. Why is this? Because this is not the way the world works Sir. Our understand is always evolving. This happens when you have an individual or groups of individuals who are willing to challenge excepted ideas. In the end a new idea may be discovered and accepted and a new idea is born! Or it may be that today, lets say through answering the Flat Earth theory, that new ideas about our own round earth theory come to light that no one has ever thought of before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs So the flat earth theory does have its place and uses in the round earth theory, in challenging and confirming it or else disproving it. In essence what you are advocating is a flat earth theory of your own, of sorts. I hope you understand this. We do not completely understand what gravity is today, we have not arrived yet by any means. The correct answer is you study it, whatever it is, and do so completely, unbiasedly and yes seriously as much as is possible. Don't waste my time or yours. Allow your self to believe it if you have to, and then debate the idea with science and other people. And if you are careful you will come out of out with more truths and facts then you would have if there was no flat earth round earth debate. These things are not to be ignored, they are here for your benefit There is no reason to fear them, fear not, trust the scientific dialectic method.

Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl was common in pre-scientific societies.

How did this change in thinking come about Flat Earth Man? Was it through the study of and strictly adhering to the flat earth theory, this is what your are advocating. No, that is ridiculous. Someone needed to think outside the normal way of thinking here and pit their ideas against the norm. The fool will do this, or someone with someone with some missing marbles.

There may be some aspects of the flat earth theory which are correct. Kansas is said to be flatter then a pancake. So did you know that?

So what is the correct way to deal with these questions? Should we look at the speaker? Plato celebrated the notion of madness as an inspired state, a divine privilege enjoyed by poets, prophets, and lovers. So no, we can not conclude anything from looking at the person, it could be that we are looking for an easy way out or an ad hominem argument.

The answer is you have to deal with the argument, every argument. You have to be scholarly. If you are not willing to do that, well then you are in a state of ignorance. And since we all agree that our understanding is or should be evolving then nothing can be ignored if we want to stay on the cutting edge of science. It may be that we are now willing to be wrong for prides sake, how can we be wrong?, or it may be that we are not willing to chase down every argument. If that is the case we need to come to terms with facts and realize that what we have done is disqualify ourselves from any argument, and we are wrong every time. Knowledge is always learning, and when it is not, or when it refuses to do so it is no longer knowledge.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 17, 2017 - 06:27am PT
There were 5 days where there was no progress, it seemed things were leveling off. My back is in pain and my joints are sensitive and my legs do not work, can not walk fast.

So I took my head out of the tub and put my legs in and covered them with a towel. (The damn tub is too small.) And I brought my temperature up to 102-103 for an hour and a half. I am still waiting for my 300 dollar rectal thermometer, other methods are dangerously incriminate, so I need to keep it low. I made someone rub my back and I found out that the pain goes away after a while, interesting. And I reduced my herbs to the base recommendation with primarily the NOW brands. I am also adding pink Himalayan salt to my diet because I am sweating out 3-4 liters of toxins. And I am also not sitting in a chair all day anymore.

So now I think because of these changes today I feel some progress and better then I have all this time.

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 17, 2017 - 10:43am PT
Whatever may be the cause of your woes DJP... make sure you get enough regular sleep. Often overlooked and frequently disrupted by various maladies it's imperative for any kind of chance at recuperating.

The hyperthermia thing is interesting indeed. I was looking over some research articles on how it was used in conjunction with chemo for cancer with evident success. I'm not sure your hot baths with a $300 thermometer stuffed in your backside will suffice but the theory seems to have some merit.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 24, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
I got a sauna thing for $2000 with no emf. While I did get the sauna and know it will work 100 percent of the time at 105.8 I am now not so sure if I want to part with the Lyme artificially. From where I am standing now (and I may be wrong ... but do not think so) I am convinced that this Lyme Stari thing will have been good in the long run.

What do you mean by that?

Well today I got some liquid vitamin C and had my two cavities taken care of and had my teeth cleaned, I thought they were clean?, which had not been cleaned since 2010. My holistic densest said I had loads of places for the Lyme to condo in.

Right now I feel almost normal. Not sure what that means yet.

My point is that I am cleaning up a lot of sh#t in my life to kick Lyme ass. If I get to the point where I am like Neo in the Matrix, that's a good thing. This cleaning up my immune system with no more wifi etc would never have been felt by me without Lyme. With Lyme I am was am very sensitive to now what is really good and what in fact is really bad. I can see, I can hear, I can feel the truth!

That's what I mean by that.

I know I have STARI, and got bit before and may have been suppressing Lyme. STARI is a close sister to Lyme. But this is not my first tick.

What I have been going through this week:

I have been climbing every weekend doing Son of Easy O, 5.8 and my solders hurt, can not shift into drive. Gets better with use. My head feels normal now but my legs feel heavy, and I pulled a mussel in my leg getting out of the the tub, I think. I had a pain in my back. Pain moves around. The doctor says I need to keep cleaning up and it may take longer then I think.

I do see progressive progress, but if the 5G network comes in now I am not sure if I will stay in the city.

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Oct 25, 2017 - 08:21am PT
Aug 27, 2017 - 09:04 am PT - 10/25/2017 = 55 days.

OK, I did not eat breakfast yet, did not heat my body up to 105.8 last night (will kill all those bastards later), it is going on noon and ("make sure you get enough regular sleep. ") I only slept 7 hours last night.

I would say that now I am back to normal 100 percent in a sharper mind then before this sh#t hit the fan----------where doctors theorized I had more than one tick bite and some kind of suppressed Lyme plus STARI.

The reaming bugs need to find a way to crawl there way out of my body.

And the loose joints are are catching up fast and coming back.

Well, I guess its back to Millbrook with the Gunkies now for sure!

Of first ascent on lead of "Today You Will Be With Me in Paradise" 5.12 A1 R:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRFgtuLgwRY/?taken-by=nicole_meridiem

Or a better version is here below:

this https://www.dredown.com/instagram

plus this pasted into there https://www.instagram.com/p/BRFgtuLgwRY/?taken-by=nicole_meridiem

equals full screen baby!

But this time I am wearing a tyvek suit. But maybe not. Today if I got bit by another tick the tick would take one bite of me and run like hell! I'am tick proof-------toxic to ticks. And I AM drinking the tinctures forever.

BTW, The falcon in the vid is not dive bombing or giving us any attention, she is dispensing with the vultures. They do not get along.

Ya know what? Screw it. I'm just going there without the suit, I got this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy7RaQUmOzE I am not afraid of Lyme anymore.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 16, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
Hey Donald

I saw this and thought of you.



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http://www.rayjardine.com/Blood_Cleaner/index.htm


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donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 8, 2017 - 06:19pm PT
I have one of those. I do not think it works strong enough for Lyme. Why don't you look into the Vital Plan for Lyme?
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Dec 9, 2017 - 10:01am PT
Never noticed this thread before, so I read the first page and thought, wow, 130 some posts about this, maybe I'll skip to the end and see where the discussion is at. I've had a couple close encouters so I thought I might have a story to share.

Whoa, get to the end of the thread and I see the spirit of Klimmer is very much alive and well. Sorry guys, not going to go down the rabbit hole with ya'll.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 15, 2017 - 09:12am PT
Well I suspect that I am 100% cured again today with no doubts. My shoulders were killing me for over a month after the hot bath episodes, somewhere before Nov 9th to Dec 15th today. I was not able to lift my right hand in the air or get out of bed without a lot of pain. I suspect that was from keeping my arms out of the hot water trying to feel some kind of relief. So, I tried to do a pull up and I can not do one, good thing is I can try and I can get my hands over my head. About a month and a half ago I did Son of Easy O, it was after that that it all started. I think I have some post about that above. I still have no got into my sauna yet, but I will do that anyway as a precaution. 111 days. OMG!!! what a ride!!!
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 29, 2017 - 06:21am PT
I have doubts, my shoulders are hanging on and my elbow hurt, my hip I thought was permanently disintegrated. These bugs are still in me moving around again!!! Sorry guys, it ain't over till its over. But it's guys like this that give me a lot of hope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTIaJnEcbpM&lc=z23qdxkazwvpets5k04t1aokgv2y3yzgk2mfu10rk1yfbk0h00410.1514338917455945

I am now in the wifi and have not been attacking these kinds of health issues. Tomorrow I go for the 107, I could only get up to 104 last week, and mostly 102 for 2 hours. Somone is going to die, either me or them. I just started fooling around with the sauna now.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 29, 2017 - 07:32am PT
If you really manage to get your core temp up to 107, you will likely either suffer severe brain damage or die...



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 29, 2017 - 09:13am PT
^^^^^^ THIS! Placebo effect can only take you so far, although in this case
it could take you to the Hallowed Land.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 29, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
The sad part is some of the Borrelia would likely survive too as it would be impossible to get that temperature everywhere (like poorly purfused joint fluid) .....

Most of the hyperthermia 'studies' I've found are performed in conjunction WITH some heavy antibiotic treatments as well, not as a stand-alone thing.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jan 1, 2018 - 10:43am PT
"O foolish ones, how slow are your hearts to believe all that the prophets have spoken."------------107 hypothermia treatment is a death sentence to Lyme.

The trick is first getting there and then staying there for another 2 hours. If you can do that, if your man enough to do that THEN you are done, they are all dead quite completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js

On this Saturday after getting up only to 102.8 for 1.5 hours I had to bail, I could not take it for another minute. Previously last week I was in there for 2 hours on and off and got up to 103.3 and then I gave up.

Two months ago I got up to around 107 in the bath, but could only take it for maybe 10 minutes. So I have been able to get up there that way.

Now what I am going to do is see if I can get in for 2 and then another 2 hours at only the highest temperature I can handle, even if it is only 102.

But today I feel better than I have ever felt in my life, when I came out this last time I felt like there was clear energy flowing through my mind, I could see everything so clearly and my intelligence skyrocketed higher than ever before, I knew the right paths to everywhere ... this Lyme could be the best thing that has ever happened to me ... and I feel now like I am cured but I know that I can't be cured, I have not been anywhere near what it takes for that yet. I can't handle the heat, I do not have the discipline to keep myself in there long enough.

Before I did the sauna this second time for some time I could only get off my floor matrix with great efforts and time, now I have no problem. The only symptoms I have now is some swelling in my feet and calves from all the toxins going down there, mostly toxic chemicals from my work. This became clearly pronounced when I got up on my feet 2 weeks ago and used a shovel for two days.


I will need to practice a meditation, such as where one spends 10 days only confining their attention to their breath-----whereby one could be on fire and survive the ordeal to the end. I will reach 107 and live in there for hours!, And I will kill them one and all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfNsk5l26U

This will be my mantra: "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers---what part hath he that believeth with an infidel."






donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jan 5, 2018 - 08:47pm PT
Okay, yesterday I got in my inferred sauna and got in there for 1/2 hour and bailed again, I thought at 104 and basically passed out (it was 106.2). When I woke up 1/2 hour later I was feeling normal outside the sauna and discovered that I was at 105. I thought that thermometer was broken. It is professional, rectal and expensive btw. I was amazed. So I went back in and lowed the settings on the sauna and only got up to 103.4. So that is a total of 3 hours. That night I could not sleep without a lot of sweating. Today I feel perfect, and I forgot to take my pills now for the last 24 hours. I think it is important to keep moving in all this because if not your lymphatic system will not work, your feet swell up and all your joints hurt. And now I think it may be a good idea to see about some kind of a vegetarian diet and probiotics to ensure there is no undigested food in my blood.

Apparently, this is always a learning process, most of this is essential and I am just finding out about these kinds of ideas.

PS, from the internet

"It's not unusual for a sick child to run a temperature of 104 or even 105 degrees Fahrenheit. To cause brain damage, a child's temperature would need to reach 107.6 degrees F — hard to imagine, unless the child was trapped in a hot car, for instance, or was very overdressed while feverish."
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jan 10, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
Well on Monday, I got up to 105.8 and over a six-hour period I was around 103. There was a period at the end at 103 where the heat did not bother me but I figured I would give it a break. During the course, I lost almost 4 pounds and drank around a gallon of water. Prior to this on Saturday I took me 5 minutes to get off the floor because I had cut down my pills and had not been moving around enough. Today I feel normal and did a few pushups before getting off the floor, so that is a monumental difference----I am also back up to 25% more pills. My feet are a little swollen. My thinking seems to have improved somewhat as well, my brain is speeding around old and new ideas, and this is exciting. Next week I will try for 107 for two hours again. I need to do this two times within a short period of time.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jan 10, 2018 - 05:17pm PT
Donald,I know you have checked this out very carefully, read it all, most likely. you understand the risks you are taking, permanent damage, Kidneys, Thyroid , Pancreas - brain damage? Heart attack? all seen at those temps is that your understanding?
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jan 10, 2018 - 10:51pm PT
How To - Hyperthermia Treatment At Home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUQ-lvnN7_8

Not at all, in fact, the very opposite is true ... as long as I do not manage to go over 107.
Ballo

Trad climber
Jan 11, 2018 - 01:15pm PT
Ticks carry all kinds of bugs. Once I found a large tick on me while showering and I made the mistake of trying to remove it then and there. I grabbed it firmly and pulled, but the tick held fast and all I succeeded in doing was squeezing its guts into my bloodstream like a tube of toothpaste. I got a huge red halo around the bite soon afterwards and was bed ridden for three weeks with flu-like symptoms.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 11, 2018 - 02:50pm PT
Indeed... ticks are full of diseases they're just starting to discover.

But Donald my friend, I hope you're at the very least having someone monitor you closely whilst you are cooking yourself.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 11, 2018 - 11:28pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 11, 2018 - 06:19pm PT
doobie doobie doo maybe with you?

I need someone to help me get to 107-108 for at least 2 hours (takes two hours to get there and 2 hours to cool down).

A synopsis of my Lyme journey with hyperthermia thus far:

When I get in my hyperthermia infrared dome over an infrared mat I have in the past been able to get up to 104 with great difficulty and as far as 106 and 105 on occasion. But at that point, it has been a lot more than two hours, sometimes four or six or seven. Once I get over 103 I have in the past been able to hang out at times for quite awhile. {There is a turning point between 102 and 103 that once you pass it life gets a little easier, but not much.) (If you do not know what hyperthermia treatment is looking it up on youtube and google hyperthermia+lyme. Here is a link for my fellow clowns: http://www.publichealthalert.org/-whole-body-hyperthermia-treatment.html )


I have been trying to get to 107 for two months every weekend, except for one week when I had the flu the week before. This week I Thought I could make now with my new invention!, I did it with a lot of ice on my shaved head, and at 103.7 it felt great. But unfortunately, the ice stopped me from getting any hotter than 103.7. The gears on the temperature gauge need to but turned up a few more notches I suppose (after 6 hours I decided to call it quits yesterday) or I need to remove the ice at 104. Problem is when you get hot your brain tells you to give up-----its always harder than I remember it!

I think if I could find a "climbing partner" who actually understood what we have to go through, but was just as determined with balls to stay in the bill ring and challenge my abilities I think we could both make it to 107 together.

Does anyone out there think have the authority to take control over their own flesh and stand up to 107? Maybe not.

https://youtu.be/huir_lM2s3Q

I am in Northern NJ, send me a message if your interested.

Fellow clowns can just keep reading below:

How I Discovered Hyperthermia for Lyme Disease and Why It Works
Note: This post originally appeared on ProHealth.com: http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=29931

Reprinted from New Paradigms in Lyme Disease Treatment: 10 Top Doctors Reveal Healing Strategies that Work, with the kind permission of Friedrich R. Douwes, MD and Connie Strasheim. To learn more about the book and to read more about Dr. Douwes’ treatment approach, see: www.NewLymeTreatments.com.

It was entirely by coincidence that I began treating Lyme disease patients and ended up discovering a groundbreaking new treatment for Lyme. It started in 2000, when two cancer patients who also had Lyme disease came to my clinic. One was from Boston, and the other was from Canada. The Canadian woman had advanced breast cancer with metastases to her lungs, liver and bones. When I took a history on these women, both told me that they actually suffered more from symptoms of Lyme than from symptoms of cancer! Their symptoms were typical of cancer, but because I had not worked with Lyme disease patients before, I did not know that some of their symptoms could also be due to Lyme disease.

I gave them whole-body hyperthermia treatments for their cancers. Hyperthermia in its various forms is a very effective and well-researched cancer treatment. Cancer cells die in the presence of high heat, so many doctors worldwide use hyperthermia on their cancer patients.

There are different types of hyperthermia, including whole-body hyperthermia, which is what we give both our Lyme and cancer patients. For this, the patient lies down inside of a special thermal chamber similar to a large incubator. It heats the body’s tissues to 41.6° Celsius (or 107° Fahrenheit). It takes two hours to raise the body to this temperature. Once there, the body is maintained at this temperature for two hours. After the treatment, it takes two more hours for the body to cool down, which means that the patient’s temperature is elevated for a total of six hours.

Once the body has reached the maximum temperature, we administer chemotherapy (for our cancer patients). Chemotherapy is activated and potentiated by heat, so hyperthermia makes it more effective. We have had such great success with this kind of treatment approach that our clinic has become well known internationally as a cancer treatment center, and we now see patients from all over the world.

Anyway, after these two women received hyperthermia treatment for their cancers, they told us that their Lyme symptoms had also disappeared! The brain fog, tingling in their fingers, fatigue and other symptoms—were all gone. We had associated the tingling with polyneuropathy, which is a side effect of chemotherapy, but in these women, it was a symptom caused by Lyme.

I pondered this and said to my work colleagues, “Do you remember that before there were antibiotics, doctors treated syphilis (which is similar to Borrelia in its composition, structure and behavior) by intentionally infecting patients with malaria to induce a fever, which then killed the syphilis?” The treatment was called “malariotherapy.” Doctors would then give the syphilis patients the age-old drug quinine to control the fever and kill the malaria. Professor Julius Wagner-Jauregg at Vienna University was one of the first authorities in syphilis treatment, and he won a Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1927 for his discoveries.

When I recalled that doctors used to treat syphilis with heat, it made me wonder whether hyperthermia also might be effective against Borrelia, since the Borrelia organism is similar in its characteristics to syphilis. I said to my colleagues, “Could it be that our whole-body hyperthermia treatments could also be effective for Lyme disease?”


I researched the medical literature to discover whether any studies supported my hypothesis, and I found one that was conducted by a group of Swedish researchers in 1996. In the study, the researchers proved that Borrelia was “thermolabile,” or susceptible to destruction by heat, and could not tolerate high temperatures. At 39° C (or 102.2° F), they found that the spirochetes became immobile, and at 40° C (or 104° F) they shed their outer membrane, but when they were exposed to a temperature of 41.6° C (or 106.9° F) for two hours, 100 percent of the bacteria died.
I was excited to discover this, and I told my colleagues that this was exactly what we were doing by treating patients using hyperthermia; we were raising their body temperature to 41.6° C for two hours. So I suggested that we do this treatment on some Lyme disease patients just to see what would happen. I wanted to find out whether my theory had any substance, because up until this point, we had only been treating cancer patients.

Shortly thereafter, we found four or five patients with advanced Lyme disease, and gave them two whole-body hyperthermia treatments. We also gave them intravenous antibiotic therapy during the treatments and found that not only did the heat kill the microbes, but that the antibiotics were also more effective when their bodies’ temperature was elevated. This phenomenon was described in the Swedish study. According to the researchers of the study, if you administer Ceftriaxone or another antibiotic after elevating the patient’s body temperature to 41.6°, the medication’s activity becomes amplified 60-fold.

From our research and clinical observations, we discovered three things:

1) Hyperthermia kills Lyme microbes
2) Hyperthermia increases the effectiveness of antibiotics
3) Hyperthermia decreases microbes’ resistance to antibiotics and enables antibiotics to get inside the cells much more easily.

After I had treated somewhere between five and seven patients with Lyme disease, I decided to attend a medical conference in the United States to learn more about the disease. While there, I sat next to a cardiologist who told me that he had been attending the conference because his entire family had been infected with Lyme while on vacation in Austria. His wife was bedridden; his daughter had been a medical student, but could no longer attend medical school, and his younger son, who was a 10-year-old prodigy who had played the violin in public, could no longer even hold a violin and was unable to attend school.

I told the doctor that I had just discovered a new treatment for Lyme disease that was possibly superior to any other treatment modality out there, although it had only been tested on a few patients so far. The man, figuring that he had nothing to lose and everything to gain, traveled to Klinik St. Georg with his wife, son and daughter, and I treated them all with hyperthermia.

The results were amazing. The whole family got well, and the wife ended up going back to work in her husband’s clinic. The daughter finished medical school, and the son was able to play the violin again, and today – as far as I know – is the symphony conductor at his college. Successfully treating this family was the turning point for us in our approach to Lyme disease.

Our Success Rate with Hyperthermia

Not long after treating this family, we began to treat many more people with Lyme disease – maybe 50 per year initially. Now, we treat 150-200 people per year, and statistically, the patients that we see are those who have a long history of disease and who have seen somewhere between 10 and 20 doctors. They are people who have received all kinds of conventional and natural treatments, from nutrition to antibiotics—to you name it. So, when they get here, they are so-called “lost causes,” because no treatment or doctor has been able to help them thus far.

Fortunately, we have found that we are able to get over 60 percent of these patients “back to life” by using hyperthermia, along with a variety of adjunct treatments. By the time they leave our clinic, they are functioning well and are able to return to work and live a normal life. And, I have many testimonials to prove this. You can find some of these on the Klink St. Georg website: CancerClinicStGeorg.com/en/patients-testimonials.

Another 30 percent of our patients improve with the treatment, but still require additional treatments to get better. These are generally people whose bodies need repair from the damage caused by Lyme disease.

The remaining 10 percent of our patients do not experience any improvement. Now, keep in mind that we treat the most advanced cases of Lyme disease; people for whom every other treatment approach out there has failed. These people are the “worst of the worst.”

Yet, the results that we have had for others have been miraculous. We have seen people who were once bedridden or who used to have seizures every 50 minutes, or who were unable to even communicate, get well. We have seen people who were once given a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis and who couldn’t walk, return to having a normal life.

Since 2000, I have treated over 850 Lyme disease patients with mostly good results. Since we use antibiotics in conjunction with hyperthermia, I like to call our treatment approach “Antibiotic-Augmented Thermal Eradication (AAT) of Lyme disease.”

Hyperthermia is probably the only treatment out there that can eradicate Borrelia infections nearly 100 percent, because the heat goes deep into the connective tissue and joints, where most conventional treatments can’t penetrate. And, unlike other modalities, the microbes can’t develop resistance to this type of treatment. Of course, it’s unlikely that any modality can eradicate the microbes completely, because a 100 percent eradication rate doesn’t exist in medicine, but I feel that we have one of the highest rates of success in eliminating Borrelia.

Once we eliminate the Borrelia organisms with hyperthermia and antibiotics, the amount of Lyme neurotoxins in the body is also immediately and automatically reduced. This is because Borrelia throws out neurotoxins in the body literally every minute or every second, so once it is gone, this can no longer happen. Neurotoxins are one of the principal causes of symptoms in people with Lyme disease, especially neurological and rheumatic symptoms, and joint inflammation. They cause chronic, silent inflammation that is sometimes difficult to diagnose, but which causes other symptoms.

So we find that as soon as we eliminate the Borrelia, then the neurotoxins in the body also diminish to almost nothing, as does the inflammation. We’ve had patients here that used to have seizures (a sign of encephalitis and brain inflammation), but as soon as their Borrelia was eliminated, their inflammation and seizures disappeared, too. It really has been remarkable.
About Friedrich R. Douwes, MD

Friedrich R. Douwes, MD, is a medical doctor and Director of Klinik St. Georg, a world-renowned clinic in Bad Aibling, Germany, which specializes in the treatment of cancer, Lyme disease and other chronic health conditions, using conventional and complementary therapies. Dr. Douwes has treated cancer patients for over 40 years, and Lyme disease patients for over 16 years, since approximately the year 2000.

Dr. Douwes studied medicine in Germany and Switzerland and received his board certification in Internal Medicine in 1975 at the University Hospital Göttingen. He completed his fellowship in hematology and oncology at Hahnemann University in Philadelphia. Subsequently, he became the medical director of Sonnenberg Hospital, an oncology, hematology, immunology and oncological rehabilitation center, in Bad Sooden-Allendorf, Germany.

While at Sonnenberg Hospital, Dr. Douwes was dissatisfied with the outcomes that he saw with conventional cancer treatment, so he developed his own philosophy of integrative holistic medicine. Some hospitals, including the Veramed Hospitals in Brannenburg and Biomed Klinik in Bergzabern, Germany, now follow this model of medicine.

Dr. Douwes has continued to work actively and research new cancer therapies in addition to better treatments for Lyme disease and other chronic illnesses. He has become the go-to specialist for all kinds of hyperthermia treatment, including whole body, loco-regional and urethral prostate treatment protocols, and has successfully treated thousands of patients from all over the world, including many from Canada and the United States.

For many years, Dr. Douwes served as First Chairman of the charitable organization, Friends of Integrated Cancer Therapy. He is also President of the German Society for Oncology (DGO) and Founder of the German Society for Biological Cancer Control (GfBK) and Hyperthermia (DGHT).

Dr. Douwes organizes seminars and conferences for physicians and therapists, which focus on biological cancer treatments. In 2011, he organized the first International Congress for Complementary Oncology, an event that features a variety of international guest speakers who focus on integrative cancer treatment approaches.

Dr. Douwes is also a sought-after international lecturer at seminars and conferences. Numerous films about his work have been made, including Life with Cancer, which was an award-winning film project. Norwegian television has also broadcast a 45-minute film about his work with cancer patients and his work has also been featured on both German and international television.

In 2015, Dr. Douwes received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Academy of Comprehensive Integrative Medicine (ACIM) “for his contributions to the advancement of the art and science of medicine, specifically as it relates to integrative oncology.”

Dr. Douwes has authored countless scientific papers, which have been published in German and international journals. His work has been featured in Biological Medicine, Internal Journal of Clinical Oncology, Alternative Medicine, Journal for Alternative Complementary Therapy, New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet and Excerpta Medica. His work is also featured in several books.

What sets Dr. Douwes apart more than anything else is his warm and compassionate manner toward his patients. This, combined with his abundant knowledge about Lyme disease, cancer and other health conditions, makes him a unique person whom you will want on your side to overcome illness. To learn more about Dr. Douwes’ work and Klink St. Georg see: CancerClinicStGeorg.com.

**
IS That Ammonia I Smell?**
Sure is! During the first few sessions of using an infrared sauna, you may notice a pungent smell of ammonia when you're finished; more noticeably in the towel you sat upon. Ammonia, a well known neurotoxin, appears to be a primary exotoxin released by Borrelia. The abnormally excessive amount of ammonia found in the body, due to the presence of the bacteria, plays its part in distorting cognitive function even further. As more sessions of the infrared sauna are completed, the smell of ammonia will begin to subside in its intensity. Cognitive thought may improve and fatigue may begin to lessen. Be sure not to intensely smell, or at all, the towel you sat upon as the ammonia particles will simply reenter the body through inhalation.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 25, 2018 - 05:06am PT
3/24/18 after two hours I got up to 102.6 as it was this time unbearable and claustrophobic. At this point, I opened it up and then I fell asleep for 1 hour. I decided to try it again my temperature at this point was 100 at around 103.4 the heat was not as agitating and in this session, I had no feelings of claustrophobia (I am not afraid of confined spaces----this has to do with the combination of a confined space and heat). From 103 to 104.6 I was able to push through with heavy breathing and some enthusiasm. But at this point, I was not sure if I could make it without ice to 105 and I had already been in the drama for 5 hours total --- but this session was only an hour thus far. I want to get up to 107 in two hours, not 7 hours as when I do get there I have to stay in another 4. It seems I need to use the juicer with supplements to sustain my energy. The ordeal was like running a marathon up a hill. I should be able to make it to 105 or 106 next time with this new information about dealing with the "claustrophobia". Maybe I can do it again on Wednesday.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 31, 2018 - 03:38pm PT
I started at 11 AM and finished at 5 PM and then came down to 101 in another hour.

After 2 hours in the inferred sauna, I made it to 105.
Here I decided to take a break for one hour and 10 minutes and fell asleep.
Thereafter I made it from 101.6 to 106.7 in 2 hours and 45 minutes and then needed to stop because of the pain.

I thought that the second time would be easier but I think now that perhaps I did not need to take a break, I do not think it made things easier now. After 105 it was still pure torture at times.

Remembering to breathe deep helped a lot as well as sticking with it.

Next time I want to try and make it 107 without a break and then stay in there for two hours, and not pre-heat the sauna. The sauna settings I used were 5 for the mat, 5 for the bottom dome, and nine for the top dome.

This is pure torture for me and very difficult to stay in there. I drank some apple juice and it gave me a stomachache for 20 minutes. I also need three layers on my hips because now they are red again. I only needed two layers of tops.

Well, I probably killed a lot of bugs today anyway and this is the highest temperature I have made it to.


Chris Cunningham

Trad climber
San Francisco
Apr 2, 2018 - 10:10am PT
As a sliver of good news: during a climbing scouting in Westlake Village, California, I recently burned more than 300 ticks off of my pants in a little over two hours using a crack-head lighter.

The process, while distracting, was wildly satisfying. I found that quickly passing the jet flame over the ticks would burn their legs off and the tick would then fall into the grass where it hopefully died a slow and horrible death.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 2, 2018 - 01:02pm PT
Public Service Announcement...

DON'T burn them until they're removed from your body by carefully, using sharp tweezers by grasping them as close to their disgusting heads as you can and pulling them slowly and directly out.

Burning or otherwise disturbing them beforehand can cause them to disgorge more of their infectious stomach contents right into your bloodstream.

Once they're off... I recommend a microwave oven for entertainment.
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2018 - 05:02pm PT
They were on his pants Fear, as long as the pants don't catch on fire....:-)

Hey Donald, I've read every post you've put up with great interest. Thank you for sharing.

I don't always know what to say. In this case, I didn't want to say it, cause you are trying to save your life, but man, don't you think that you should really have medical personal with you when you try and get your body temp up above 104-105-107...seriously. I don't want to be a downer as I've only heard of what you are doing (body temp increase) as a therapeutic mode from you. I thank you for that. Good luck guy, I suspect that we are all rooting for you!
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 18, 2018 - 04:25am PT
Thanks, and I hope so. If nothing else it should be entertaining.

Where the hell am I now?

I have I guess no pain now in my shoulders. Had a little before. Worried about my meningitis coming back----so next time need to get up there at 107 lol. (if not I use the bathtub at 108 every day for 1/2 hours if I need to)

I worked for a week in my shop and my hip joints were bothering me. I cooked myself at 102.7 for 5 hours trying to get higher---now my hip joint is gone. In excruciating pain all night (All night when I first had the problem I could only sleep for 5-10 minutes on either my back or my right side with only some lesser pain joy. Need to get to love pain more if I am ever going to get anywhere with this sh#t. ), next night a little better by 6 AM. Tonight I slept, and now the pain is manageable. I am on crutches but I suspect not for more than a couple of weeks. The buggers are in my left hip joint --- but I suspect it may have more to do with 1.) overdosing on Hymalaian salt and 2.) laying on it always on my left hip in the sauna because I wore out my right joint before in 2010. In 2010 I wore out the joint on the right side and had to grow it back for just under a year. Then I did the Salathe with my son Joshua. This time I think it will not take so long to repair the damage. I tried using supplemental oxygen to get to 102.7 then and I think I overdid it. It made me nuts. It did not help, next time I will try TYLENOL instead. Not sure if the sauna is more pain then my hip joint was or not---I can not figure that out.


2,650' rappel off El Capitan in Yosemite, July 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bos_FCt4sxg
perswig

climber
Apr 18, 2018 - 06:01am PT


https://www.symptoma.com/en/info/polyarthritis

Dale
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 23, 2018 - 06:41am PT
Thanks for the link ...."Unfortunately, causative treatment is not available "

Bummer, but I think they are wrong and overestimate themselves again.

Anyway, my left leg is cured but now my right knee feels like I got a bullet in it. Go figure, I guess it was the lyme all along. I was tricked.

The moral of the story is unless you cruse and 105 your just giving your spirokets a nice vacation in the Bahamas where they can pick up chicks and sip margaritas and have lots of steamy hot sex.

The good news is I improved my digestion and cut out the too much salt and realized I operate at a dehydrated level by the fact that I have dry skin on my a face sometimes, like Gold Member. So I have found some ways to improve my immune system.

The bad news is I got to get back in the pot at 105 or these things will replicate and take over the world. Good thing I am not a superhero or you would all be doomed because I am a pansy.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 28, 2018 - 03:08am PT
I can put my socks on and do not need crutches at all, and I can sleep on my right or left side, my legs are fine. I am ecstatic about it.

But now my jaw hurts bad and I can not chew food hard. My right hand and wrist hurt a little.

I am eating a little salt now but I guess we know what happened now, du. I am no longer using Dr. Rawls $250.00 a month supplements that do what they do at $250. I am now buying a few things myself and the cost is much less. Japanese Knot Weed, Cats Claw Astragalus, Olive Leaf at over 3000 mg 2 x a day. See www.buhnerhealinglyme.com.

I have not got in the sauna, I am waiting for my friend to come here. He is walking here from Honduras. When he gets here he and some other people are going to keep me in the sauna against my will with a taser or by whatever means necessary until I either die, cook, or cure. I can't wait.

I have a split personality, the other half of me looks for excuses until I bail and then instantly regret it. Hopefully, I will not need to do it more than one time.
Gunks Guy

Trad climber
New Paltz, NY
Apr 28, 2018 - 06:37am PT
New book on Lyme :

Lyme: The First Epidemic of Climate Change
by Mary Beth Pfeiffer

"As Pfeiffer's hard-hitting study reminds us, non-specific symptoms and other complexities make tackling Lyme a formidable challenge...She nimbly interweaves numerous strands of research—into the influence of climate change on the Lyme invasion, the disease, the pathogen, the vectors and the harrowing impacts borne by some sufferers."
(Nature)

"Superbly written and researched, Pfeiffer's work should go a long way toward convincing the public to take this modern-day scourge more seriously."
(Booklist)

"In page after page of data and interviews with patients, advocates, and researchers around the world, Pfeiffer builds a strong case...the basic facts she sets forth are credible, and they deserve immediate attention."
(Kirkus)

https://smile.amazon.com/Lyme-First-Epidemic-Climate-Change/dp/1610918444/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524922466&sr=8-1&keywords=lyme

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jul 11, 2018 - 01:09pm PT
381249]I was on a time out, then a bunch of stuff, the Bird passing, the falling speed demons...

Donald??

you still with us??


oh man how hot did you go & for how long?


is it the sauna of the mind,yet?

or are you still into it

I hope that illness is, if not vanquished, then is in retreat
along with those spiral what-evers? dying,
I hope you can return to your top physical feats


donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jul 15, 2018 - 04:32pm PT
OK, well this is where I am now and how I got here.

I was using the Vital Plan by Dr. Rawls. They told me I would never get healed, only reduce the symptoms. He sells 5 different bottles costing around $250 per month. That is 3 pills of each twice a day. On that program there is little Japanese Knot-weed, Olive Leaf, Cats Claw or Astragalus-------these herbs are on what I have been setting my hope on alone.

The swelling and joint pain would always come back again, and jump around, last for a week or 4 days, and go away for a week and come back again. At one point I needed to get crutches because I could not walk, and that lasted for 2 weeks.

It was at that point that I decided that I needed to increase my dose and leave Dr. Rawls behind. I asked the Healing Lyme book author Dr. Stephen Harrod Buhner, is this true, there is no cure. He basically implied that I was wasting my time with Mr Bill and there is a cure, read the book.

So I now am relying on 4 bags of powder at 1 table spoon each and 1 pill of Super Collagen+C twice a day. And this does not cost $250 a month when you use a spoon and a bag. I also am doing some Nickle and Aluminum detox I got from chimney soot.

I religiously take 2 pills of Betaine Hdrochloride after eating hamburger and meat, and maybe one for other things. This has made me use the tolit once a day rather twice a week. I am also trying to drink 1/2 a gallon of water a day.

Starting 5 weeks ago I felt I had to get out and I had a great energy boost, I felt I had to go climbing again. I have been working on Shady Lady 5.9+ on lead, I can already do it on top rope. I feel now that I no longer have to worry about getting a joint problem where climbing will jump in and wreak a joint infected with spiroketes. My feet are not swelling up.

So I guess I am killing it. I think having fluids and food flow through your body rather than build up toxins is vital, and that means you need to use your lymphatic system which needs you to get out and move around every day, or go climbing. I am having a lot of success lately.

I would say I found the cure, and it has to do mostly with optimizing your immune system to function properly ---- and you need to add these supplements and detox. If your body is like a dead fish and your full of antibiotics your gonna lose.

Note that horns up sign on the tick that bit me! After the 4th of July I also decided to get serious about Jesus. Jesus helps on a different level, to get the little demon out! When people get delivered from demons they find out that these were also at the root of the problem, and when they go the problem goes with them whatever health problem that was. Lucky for me I did not have the big demon like this guy in the video below!

[And no, this is not a joke, its not funny as Hell.]

WARNING: THE VIDEO BELOW (about love with the devil life) CAN MAKE YOU SICK! ITS GROSS. BETTER TO NOT CLICK ON IT because you may not be able to figure it out, instead it might figure you out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RuCLB6vM3M

I have also been listening to Sadhguru on youtube.com for instruction on how to separate my mind from my body and live in the sauna for which I thus far have been unable to do for 6 hours. He has a lot of practical advice on life, I like him, but he does not have everything you need. When you empty your mind a spirit can come to you and you can get lost. Beware of his teachings, they are of the devil! God is a person you need to get to know separately from yourself. Anyway, so I have not used the sauna again yet for the last maybe 5 months, I will later after I get back to 5.13a.




neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 15, 2018 - 07:12pm PT
hey there say, donald... oh my... glad you are still around and tackling
your trail...

and, hope more sucess comes...

:O


whewwww...
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jul 16, 2018 - 05:30pm PT
I am okay, thanks. I ate three jelly sandwiches yesterday and a lot of sugar. This morning my wrist was a little stiff and hurt just a little. After I used it all day the pain went away. As I am sitting in front of the computer right now everything is perfect. But I ate 6 oranges and two sugar ice tee's. I am not supposed to do that.
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2018 - 08:48pm PT
Donald, thanks for checking in, and I want to say, congrats on hanging in there. I've read every post here and your methodology seems strange to me, but I'm glad you have found some relief. I'm curious if you have given up on heating your body temp? Is that something that needs closer monitoring than you could give it on your own or are you still sticking to that?

In case anyone missed it, there was an "open source" kind of project/study that requested folks send in ticks for testing. What that found was that Lyme had spread and was in many many more counties (based on testing of ticks only) that had been known.

In case anyone knows Jeff Lowe, I read recently that John Hopkins had started up a site strictly to study Lyme, although I'm sure it will expand to include all tick borne diseases. Please have Jeff check this out. I have no direct knowledge, but given how many places Jeff ranged to climb, I'm convinced that Jeff doesn't have an "unattributed random disease (JLS, the Jeff Lowe Syndrome) but a tick borne illness that has yet to be identified. If it's a matter of $oney for more testing or plane fares, lets crowdfund it, I'm in. Or perhaps those with more intelligence can speak up on the subject on a better approach. If Jeff's folks and loved ones can lead the way to get more tests for the man, I'd be glad to follow along, as I'm sure we all would. My best to Jeff.

https://www.hopkinsrheumatology.org/specialty-clinics/lyme-disease-clinical-research-center/
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jul 18, 2018 - 08:28am PT
Well the Western blot does not work, people need to look at symptoms according to S.B. Healing Lyme.

I will do the sauna again when I can find someone to lock me in there under the threat of pain. And I guess I need to learn how to count to 10000 without thinking, can not do that yet.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 18, 2018 - 09:02am PT
Glad you're still with us Donald... I though perhaps you had steamed yourself a bit too far.

There is some progress on finding actual combinations of known antibiotics and other meds that combat the several known forms of Borrelia... at least in media. Animal/human studies are next. Check out the stuff from Ying Zhang.

http://lyme-basics.com/2017/08/07/interview-ying-zhang/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5176177/

I'd suspect that in mammals, killing the many known forms of Lyme will be a combination of a cocktail of antibiotics as demonstrated above as well as a comprehensive focus on the patient's immune system as that is likely the only way to achieve a total kill. Imagine biofilm repositories of Borrelia in your joints and regions of poor circulation. There's simply no way to reach all of those at sufficient levels with IV drugs alone.

That hyperthermia treatment in conjunction with a known triple-abx killer would be very interesting. Assuming that triple-abx combo doesn't ruin people's livers in trials...

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jul 18, 2018 - 11:42am PT

How to deal with Lyme, one scoop of each, see photo. More and more often as needed.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 3, 2018 - 07:30pm PT

Lots of fun these days. I am getting to finish my 3rd week on crutches again on this coming Wednesday. What happened?

I sat in front of the computer for two months doing paper work and then got up and went up and down a ladder and did a lot of manual labor. After a week my left knee started to stiffen up until I could not move it without being in pain, had to take pain killer ibuprofen to sleep. My leg blew up to the point where the pressure was intense. So I stick my Chinese syringe in there and suck out 1/4 cup of juice a couple of times as well as on my elbows (see popeye elbows on youtube). Eventually I learned getting in the tub at 112 degrees for 1/2 hour or more after it cools down to 100 works a lot better. After being in there I have to drink 1/2 gallon of water and don't need to pee in the morning so desperately either. In other words, it works.

Maybe in a week I will be back to normal where after I will need to be sure I never stop moving. I also have doubled my herb intake on the knotweed now 3 or 4 times a day as well as less sugar and herb tea.

I hope I have the right combination now.
I was working on ShadyLady at the Gunks every weekend before I sat around and it rained on the weekends. Stephen Harrod Buhner says I should be fine if I do it right. Try try try again ....

Well at least my testosterone levels are nuts and my brainpower seems above what it was before I got bit.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 4, 2018 - 04:32am PT
It'd be interesting to spin down a few vials of that knee fluid and look for spirochetes under a decent microscope... Might all be spherical forms though which are indistinguishable from debris without special dyes.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 4, 2018 - 12:37pm PT
I know more than a few Lyme patients who'd take a trial bath in microwaves for a real cure... No joke...

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 7, 2018 - 07:45am PT
I think what I have here is the typical Lyme Herxheimer reaction to killing a lot of spirochetes at one time. As a result there you get a lot of toxins built up where ever this occurs. So, you would not see anything live, only dead spirochetes and what has to do with inflammation. I had a little temperature too for a few days. Now I think I am getting back to normal, my leg is no longer swollen. Getting in a hot tub of water where I would sweat out a 1/2 gallon of toxic junk helped.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:18am PT
I can walk now around the house all day without crutches, maybe in two weeks I will be able to carry a pack. If this happens again then it probably means this way can not work because I am taking a lot more powder now and am committed to keep moving around, and climbing. Time will tell.
Last year I had meningitis and cured in by taking 111 degree baths twice a day for 1/2" hours.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 11, 2018 - 01:31pm PT
FWIW Donald,

Friends close to me so afflicted with persistent Lyme have had somewhat good recent success with Bicillin L-A injections once or twice a week. It's enabled some to get rid of ports/fixed lines and wicked expensive Rocephin.

Seems to kill the spirochetes as well however has zero effect on the persistent forms so it's more of a maintenance thing. Bicillin should be almost free, since it's nothing new and cheap to make, but of course big pharma is raping people on the cost again... because they can.

Something to think about... your hyperthermia experiments might actually be more effective in conjunction with this.



donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 18, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
Yea, when they come out with 5G on the pole that will be me with the aluminum foil.

Well, I am on a bike now and my right leg now is worse then my left, before it was only my left leg that was swollen. I think in 2 weeks I will be fine and on my way back to Survival 5.13a. (Although I am pretty busy reading the Bible these days, and can proudly say I have become a Calvinist---Looking now for a Reformed Church that adheres to the Westminster Confession or something close to it. What fun!)

I talked to the man in Australasia who makes the sauna I bought here in the USA. He has Lyme, and said that it will cure Lyme but only could guarantee it for 1 year to do so, mostly it does not work in that kind of way. He suggested I forget about curing Lyme with the sauna and just concentrate on my herbs and foremost my immune system. I could use the inferred sauna once a month to help at lower temperatures he said, I can not make it to 107 without sedatives. I asked him if he thought Lyme was good, bad, or makes no difference in his life. He said it makes no difference to him. So now I will need to start concentrating on regular exercise an immune system foods and supplements. Wish me luck!
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Sep 26, 2018 - 06:56am PT
The other day I took a hot bath and I could feel the peppers sweating out my face and my wrist. I added this additional junk to my mix. This rosemary tastes like gasoline. The swelling in my knees is almost gone, almost back to normal. If not I gotta drink this gas 4 times a day, ugg.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 26, 2018 - 10:45am PT
Interesting studies on persistent Lyme forms in vitro with oils and other herbs...

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2017.00169/full

Easier to experiment with than the triple Dapto/Doxy/Ceftin combo that was in the initial Zhang studies out of J. Hopkins.

We've got our own DJP right here for the initial in vivo studies!
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Nov 6, 2018 - 03:02pm PT
Yep,

I came to conquer!

As a matter of fact I prayed that I would get the disease, if it was to happen, before my son got it. Better me than him. I believed that there was a natural solution, and I think I may now have stumbled upon it. Dr. Cass Ingram has given me some additional inspiration by his book The Lyme Disease Cure, though I have not read his book yet, he likes to use a lot of primarily Oregano instead.

I am now eating a lot of raw garlic, hot peppers, turmeric, ginger with cooked onions and bell peppers.

I mix in some eggs or beef or chicken.

So far I have not had a joint attack, yet due to inconvenience I have missed about a week of lunch doses of herbs, gone from 3 X a day with the herbs to 2 X a day and have slipped up on my daily exercises.

Here are some examples of what that looks like:




I believe I have now indeed conquered my tick now once and for all and therefore I demand you all include a plaque of me on the dedication boulder saying: "Dedicated to Donald Perry, who pioneered the end of Lyme disease at the Gunks."

It would be in the better interests of humanity to erect such a plaque in my name, and I deserve it. For the date you can put 2017-2018.


I never went to a doctor for Lyme or used any antibiotics, although a hair sample revealed I had a lot of dangerous Aluminium which I am now chelating out.




ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Nov 6, 2018 - 08:18pm PT
Getting in a hot tub of water where I would sweat out a 1/2 gallon of toxic junk helped.

I thought that when your environment reached a certain humidity, your body did not sweat at all. Example, when in the pool, steam room or hot tub, the level of humidity on your skin caused your pores to stay closed and not needlessly lose hydration. No????

Please somebody; interested in confirmation or denouncement. Wive's tale or Wise tail?

Arne
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Nov 21, 2018 - 11:18pm PT
Its still working and I kicked it up a notch. Yet, I reduced the herbs from three times a day to twice a day out of getting into a bad habit with that. I am a busy guy these days.
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Nov 22, 2018 - 07:26am PT
ionlyski,

I spend a lot of time in an indoor pool swimming laps for triathlon training and would get out of the pool sweating. Whether or not I started sweating in the pool or as soon as I got out, I can't can't say.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 22, 2018 - 09:08am PT
I doubt many toxins are "sweated out" in any case as your sweat glands are likely far less efficient in that role than say your liver or kidneys.

But the effects of heat and activity in general will create more blood flow throughout the system as it attempts to both oxygenate, feed and cool your tissues.

I would reckon the two usual waste pathways are primary for removing dead critters from the body. Staying very well hydrated, eating just enough, and moving as much as you can along with adequate good sleep will carry Donald to better times.

Can you give me a breakdown Donald of the 'dosages' of the herbals that you're taking that you've got in the picture there?
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Nov 22, 2018 - 09:18am PT
Tobia,

Me too. Lap swimming every other day but any ways 50 years of lap swimming. One of the best ways to stay in shape, eh?

Well that's what I've been told. We cool by sweating right? So our pores open up and put moisture onto our skin, which cools us. Body in the water; no need for body to sweat. I never noticed any sweating when I get out of the pool but if you were still warm enough after you dried out maybe then?

Can anyone verify this, one way or the other?

Arne
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 23, 2018 - 10:38am PT
Stolen from the interwebz:

The Australian Institute of Sport did a detailed study of the Australian Swimming Team in Atlanta in 1995 to arrive at this conclusion, measuring an average of 125 ml of sweat lost per kilometer swum. Additional findings: male swimmers sweated more than female swimmers, and sweat loss increased with anaerobic threshold training.
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Dec 1, 2018 - 08:25am PT
ionlysky,

I was swimming for triathlon training back then, I noticed the sweating on days when I was doing fast paced mile swims and interval laps more often than the longer endurance focused lap swimming.

100% in agreement as a way to stay in shape. I learned one interesting thing about swimming in exercise physiology course work is that it is the least efficient exercise for fat-burning. That seems like an oddity, but it has been been heavily researched and documented.

It is certainly indicative of how hard competitive or serious swimmers train, most are lean and honed.

edit:

↓ I apologize about the name typo, however in doing so, it dawned on me how you came up with it, "i only ski" I laughed at myself due to years of seeing it and sometimes writing it, but never catching on to the creativeness of your moniker. I don't mind poking a little fun at myself, after all I am just another stoopid american.

The low fat metabolism in swimming is not related to the number of calories burned, but the point at which the onset of fat is being metabolized for energy. It has been been 30 years since I was a student in that field. I recall that the o² uptake of elite swimmers was lower when swimming averaged less than the max VO² levels obtained by the same athletes reached while cycling.

Sweating lowers the core temperature by convection, radiation and evaporation (dripping sweat is mainly water loss and poor cooling efficiency). Obviously it is hard for the evaporation to occur when you are in a pool, but sweating will occur if your core temperature gets high enough or the water temperature is at a level where your core temperature rises. In other words, you can sweat in a whirlpool or sauna.

I'm aware this wasn't the question at hand, but the science of exercise physiology intrigues me, especially the little understood mysteries related above.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Dec 1, 2018 - 08:35am PT
Agreed Toby. I can see how working that hard maybe you could indeed sweat in water. But still everything else I've read talks about the human body not gaining any cooling power by sweating when humidity on the skin reaches a certain level.

I haven't been racing now in some years and yes, mostly lap swim. I never bought into the idea that swimming wasn't all that great for losing weight. My take on it was that the activity is so exhausting that swimmers tend to eat more to make up for the calorie burn, so yeah, they don't lose weight.

I know this has been some thread drift but what I was really after was to call back Don Perry to explain how he knows he actually does sweat in the hot tub when conventional wisdom says no.

Arne
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2018 - 05:54am PT


Mainstream media, not peer reviewed although they do say Johns Hopkins University research. You pays yer money you takes yer chances. I'm sharing because this is both interesting and appropriate. Hopefully it can be of use to folks who need it like Donald Perry. Titled: Garlic holds promise in treating lingering Lyme disease, research finds


"By Meredith Cohn The Baltimore Sun (TNS) Dec 3, 2018 Updated 17 hrs ago


Oils from garlic and other common herbs and medicinal plants are showing promise in the lab for treating the bacteria that causes Lyme disease, and may prove especially useful in treating those who continue to have symptoms after antibiotic treatment, Johns Hopkins University researchers have found.

The findings, still in the early stages, come just after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data showing that tick-borne diseases such as Lyme are on the rise nationwide. Last year, state and local health departments reported 59,349 cases, up from 48,610 the years before. The case numbers have been rising for years to last year’s record, though the reasons are unknown.

Maryland reported 1,887 cases of Lyme last year, 13 more than in 2016, according to the state Department of Health.

Cases are not always diagnosed, and Hopkins researchers say there are likely 300,000 new cases of Lyme annually in the United States. For most people, a course of doxycycline or other antibiotic clears up the infection in a few weeks.

But 10 to 20 percent experience lasting symptoms that include fatigue and joint pain.

Some researchers have speculated that this persistent Lyme infection, or post-treatment Lyme disease, is a new disorder triggered by the initial infection. The Hopkins researchers also say the Lyme bacteria, Borrelia burgdorferi, can enter a stationary or slow-growing phase, and so-called persister cells from the bacteria are more resistant to antibiotics.

Lyme disease research in Howard County seeks best ways to reduce tick populations

The oils from garlic and other herbs may prove better than antibiotics at tackling those cells, according to the Hopkins study, published Oct. 16 in the journal Antibiotics.

The research included lab-dish tests of 35 essential oils, pressed from plants or their fruits. Ten of these, including oils from garlic cloves, myrrh trees, thyme leaves, cinnamon bark, allspice berries and cumin seeds, showed the strongest killing activity against the Lyme persister cells.

“We found that these essential oils were even better at killing the persister forms of Lyme bacteria than standard Lyme antibiotics,” said study senior author Dr. Ying Zhang, professor in the department of molecular microbiology and immunology in the Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Zhang previously found that antibiotic combinations and drugs used to treat resistant bacteria, such as MRSA, work better than standards antibiotics in treating Lyme disease. He plans to test the oils in animals and later in humans."

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/garlic-holds-promise-in-treating-lingering-lyme-disease-research-finds/article_c87fe1ca-3b2a-5d5d-a5be-d1c6b155b48d.html

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 4, 2018 - 06:22am PT
Allicin is the component of garlic which is of interest as a potent antimicrobial but it isn't present in the garlic per se but rather is rapidly formed by the action of the enzyme Allinase when garlic is cut or crushed. Crushing is recommended.
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2018 - 09:14am PT
^^ good to know^^

In case no one else noticed, Donald was rubbing oil and hot water on his head to alleviate his headaches back in 2017. That kind of info should be invaluable to those of us falling to this bullshit next, but some of you on this thread gave him crap over it. The research is coming around to lining up with his views now, not the reverse.

Not too late to apologize to the man and thank him for sharing.


(I don't denigrate conventional medicine and would have been all over the dox myself, but do know that they have huge gaps in their knowledge. Knowledge is where you get it, and this multiple tick borne illness's are still getting worked on and it's best to keep an open mind)
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Dec 4, 2018 - 09:20am PT
What about his claim to sweating out all his toxins in the hot tub? Still waiting for elaboration on that.

Arne
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 4, 2018 - 03:14pm PT
Going in to see my doctor on Thursday, it’s possible that I may have Lyme. Scary, I hope my intuition is wrong.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 5, 2018 - 11:37pm PT
Yea, the hot water from the shower worked a for an hour here or there, but when I got in the tub and cooked like a lobster at around 112 I think, that killed the meningitis. Well, last week I got a pain in my ankle after I ate three bowls of cereal and that pain was creeping up to my knee, I got more serious with the oregano and it went away and was gone in a week. No trouble since.

Now I going to add some more junk now that I know I got the Lyme on the run.

1. Wim Hof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMjhwFE1Zw

2. Abandoned cure for all diseases as told by Merck Chemical = Turpentine baby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxvyqSLT4w

I saw a different video about turpentine about 8 months ago, I thought the guy was totally insane. But really old people used to use it all their lives. And it kills Lyme faster. So, I order some tonight after I did some more research, seems pretty reasonable actually.

What really freaks me out though is G5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-UEuOYOED4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qt5B39LB7c


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 6, 2018 - 05:45am PT
Turpentine Donald? Comon...

Read this real study. Real herbal/oil stuff killing real Lyme.....In vitro at least. Change that to en DJP...

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2017.00169/full

By the same guy who found the original triple-abx cocktail that seemed to kill all tested forms (for at least the strain they were using).

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 8, 2018 - 07:55am PT
That was interesting, how they talk about oregano, cinnamon bark, clove bud. That paper is mad-long. I just started the oreganol and I think it works better than Japanese Knotweed powder, I am beginning to think it is better to use the tinctures. But I just got the Turpentine made from the days of what you read in the Merck Manual. After some study I am convinced it is supper strong and safe 2 X a week. 90 year old lades have been taking it all their life for all sorts of things.

I am doing 5.10s now but my shoulders are somewhat sensitive.

I think that should improve over time now that I am using all these different kinds of Oregano. I am adding the breathing and turpentine just to be safe.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 14, 2018 - 07:05pm PT

I could not eat the whole plate, it was too hot. You know you have the right recipe when sweat is pouring down your face and the salt is getting in your eyes while you're eating. Jalapeno peppers, red onions, garlic, ginger, bell peppers, 3 eggs, Himalayan salt, turmeric. Juiced carrots and beats. No bread if you can help it, if not white gluten free, no milk, no oil-use butter in the pan instead as well as on the salad.

You guys need to build me a Monument. Where are you going put it?

Thanks FEAR for the input [https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2017.00169/full]





Your kisses lift me higher
https://youtu.be/-wJXiQEjVgQ

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 25, 2018 - 02:15pm PT
I recently discovered that there is a big difference between a raw onion and a cooked one. I am now eating my bell peppers and onions as raw as possible, I steam them a little. I was amazed at how hot a slice of onion is as it goes right through the top of the head. I think this is a new breakthrough. On gluten free bread I put a big slice of onion along with garlic etc.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 29, 2018 - 10:45am PT
Take a look at this: Yes there is a once and done cure for athlete's foot. Given as how an infection especially in older people can be next to impossible to cure this - to me - seemed almost like a divine revelation. I'd been doing some research on the topic. Apparently I am aging and the Doctor's pill the Lamisil the Lotramin the chlorine and vinegar soaks - yadda yadda all of it is mostly useless for me especially in winter when I gotta keep my feet covered because it's friggin cold and - - wouldn't you know it sometimes my feet perspire and - - - well - - - it's a vicious cycle. Anyway: Gasoline. Yep, that's the cure. The Ancients used turpentine. I suppose mineral spirits would work about as well. One 8 - 10 second soak and the fungus is gone. Gone. I even have a concurring result from a Physician who had an incurable case of it and tried Gasoline.He published it in a letter to the editor in JAMA. April 11, 1931, Vol 96, No. 15 http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=253566 So when people tell you that a cure takes a week or more just smile and whip out that gas can. When I was a kid Kerosene was the magical instantaneous absolutely sure fire cure-all for parasites like lice and crabs. That too was once and done.

From https://thepatriotwoodworker.com/forums/topic/15509-once-done-cure-for-athletes-foot/

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 31, 2018 - 03:10pm PT
Symptoms: Hay you guys, starting from Sept. 26th post till now that's over 60 days, so far so good no symptoms, no swelling. I admit did have a little pain in my pointer joint a few days ago, but took some of my tinctures as usual and the problem went away right away. I admit I had a cramp in my foot driving to Trenton one day as well. I wear tight boots sometimes ... I took some tincture did some walking and it went away right away. Cramps are a symptom, although I was wearing tight boots that I solo in, I solo in hiking boots, easy climbs. That was two times in 61 days, something is going on here! I have indeed risen from the dead!

Sitting: Now guys, I have been very busy writing a book. So, during this time I been sitting doing nothing for pretty much all of November and December, I admit I went to the gym on 28/11, 30/11, and December 4th 17th, 27th, 29th, 30th. I did not do anything that intense, a few climbs, and did not stay for more than an hour or two. And I also rode my bike maybe 4 times about two miles and walked around in the subway for a few hours. Not much exercise at all. No trips to the Gunks, no actual climbing. Now I can do 5.10 at the gym, some of the ratings are really off though, and yesterday I did 10 climbs for about an hour and a half. My shoulder which was cracking when I moved it is getting much better and is getting full of meat.

Prescription: For the last, close to 3 weeks, I have not used the powder because I do not like the taste, which is a mistake. I think that the tinctures are more powerful, last night I had one tablespoon of Japaneses Knotweed added to water. And I had it one time before that in the last few weeks. But always do take those oregano pills as prescribed, see previous post along with tinctures. And I take collagen, I saw Lyme video on that, so I take that 2 times a day, and maybe a stomach acid pill, Betaine HCI.

Cured? Ideally, I think I will stay with less meat, and a lot of garlic and jalapeno, ginger, onion turmeric. And I can back that up with some of the tinctures in case I get bit again. The turpentine, only one time a week is all I think I need if at all, I have not been doing that so much, that stuff scares me. But the clove bud tastes a lot worse. And I will in fact take it with the Japanese Knot-weed twice a day for now because it numbs my tongue so I do not have to taste that awful dirt. The other powders I think are optional at this point. Not sure if all the bugs are dead, I have my doubts, so I am going to increase my dose when I get the Lyme tincture of Japanese Knotweed combo I ordered a month ago.

Guarantee:
I was in a terrible depression today 12/31 and started doing the Wim Hof method for that, I feel a lot better, and it makes your body non-alkaline. And clicking around I came across this:

Wim Hof Method | Lyme Disease Trial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGxjb46Mbmo
https://wimhofmethod.freshdesk.com/support/solutions

So I think I should include the Wim Hof method in my daily routine of spicy food, tinctures, and some powders.

These people are heavily dependent on the Wim Hof method, so add to that all of the above what is left to do?

I was thinking a next step would be to deliberately introduce different stains of Lyme into my body, and I think I could do this and be successful. But I think it is much better that if some of you guys who are already in the greater chronic points in the disease, who are willing to stop the prescription drugs, can use the above methods. I would not be willing to take my self all the way back to a chronic point and start over from there and that is where the real starting point should be. If you have some permanent damage already that is a greater challenge, but it should allow your immune system to kill all of the bugs and do a lot more then anything else will.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Dec 31, 2018 - 08:38pm PT
"Can you give me a breakdown Donald of the 'dosages' of the herbals that you're taking that you've got in the picture there?"

For the powder: One table spoon of each 3 times a day is necessary.
For the tinctures coupled with oregano as prescribed, 4 capsules of each bottle, two times a day.

The more you do the better, at this point I am getting sloppy with the Japanese knotweed and other powders I started out with. My theory is you can only go so far with the powder, but the tinctures and the oregano and (onions-garlic-peppers-ginger-turmeric-eggs-for-breakfast) work better. I would use both if I was starting over from scratch, starting with turpentine.

The antibiotics scare me, do not know why, but if I got a bull's eye on my side today I would not worry about it, I think I could kill it in a week. Although, I will admit, a person has to give up on bread and cookies and sugar etc. I do not eat any of that, in fact sometimes I do not eat all day till suppertime. : )

Is anyone curing Lyme with this method here other then me?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 31, 2018 - 10:28pm PT
Gasoline also has about 15 known, not suspected, carcinogens in it... Although it very well may be a potent antifungal, so is plutonium. You don't want cancer on top of your other issues.

Be careful and be well...

Two of the Lyme patients I know have done very well with biweekly injections of Bicillian. This was after years of much heavier and more dangerous IV meds such as Rocephin with a central line.

Current theory is for some this will kill the easy mobile Spirochetes off but does nothing for the spherical and biofilm forms. So it's basically treading water until a real cure is found.
perswig

climber
Jan 1, 2019 - 02:08am PT
Hmmm.
Heat. And now gasoline.


Perhaps they'd benefit from synergy.
What's the worst that could happen, right?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm

Carry on.
Dale
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Jan 1, 2019 - 07:42am PT

This video says that antibiotics are dangerous because they nuke the bodies natural immune system and you got to eat vegetables and drink vinegar.

Gut Reaction | Could our food be making us sick? | IBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3iOlRUQkrw

I was not sure exactly what the hell "fiber" is as related to microbes but you got to eat it ... along with vinegar.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Feb 10, 2019 - 10:17pm PT
OK, well I was only using the oregano capsules and the oregano tincture for awhile and no powder mixed with water. Mostly the capsules. As it turned out I could feel it was not enough. I get this strange tightness across my shoulder blades and I get a pain in my shoulder joints from using the mouse on my computer telling me the dose is too weak. So, I have added the powder back that you can see I was using before the oregano and I can see a difference.

The oregano capsules are expensive, so I found a powder oregano that I can double or triple the dose for at a cheaper rate. That is, the quality is not as good but I can afford a lot more volume. See photo below.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Feb 10, 2019 - 11:27pm PT
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohuAvJhi4rDhJRtpS/giphy.gifhttps://giphy.com/gifs/3ohuAvJhi4rDhJRtpS/html5

stupid link!

anyway, I wanted to comment about my energy level.

From 1-100 I think I am between 95-100 for what has been typical for me. If I get 4 hours sleep it makes no difference. I run around all day and don't take any breaks.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 5, 2019 - 07:25pm PT
King Tut Wrote: "I just don't get why someone thinks he has something to contribute about style for others, let alone on rock climbs he will never touch? "

Well ... anyway ... about my physical progress ... they have these climbs at the gym I went to every day for one month. I started out on the 5.8 and now have worked my way up to the 5.11. The 5.11 at the gym are over or under rated. I did all the 5.11-5.8. Now I am working on the 5.11-5.12- I think I will have it in my hiking boots soon. But the problem is that I fear I may still have the bugs. Now, the danger is that my muscles will develop faster then my joints, and then blow them out. So ... I can only go so fast as my joints will allow. So far so good. We shall see what happens as time progresses. But if I get good enough I will prove Tut wrong ... maybe not ... that looks like too much commitment------5.13- is enough for me, when I get there.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE JOINTS!!!

One thing we now know, is that exercise kills those bugs that live in the joints ... but if you jump up out of the couch then you can do permanent damage. But I do not think you can kill all the bugs in the joints by exercise alone, pretty sure about that.

In the mean time, I still eat onions and all that hot junk.
The powdered oregano is key. I am taking around 6 pills 2 or three times a day. And I have been taking the powder once or twice a day of oregano and cats claw and Japanese knot-weed. And I use the tinctures.

I stay away from sugar and milk and sometimes bread. I think I am allergic to nuts, so I am limiting those to cut down on inflammation. I have a little rose-face I want to see disappear, which I think has something to do with that almond butter.

I also take some collagen pills.

My brain seems to be working OK, although once in a while I get stuck on some stupid idea for a day. But over all I would say my capacity of higher IQ is increasing. Not sure if Kingtut would agree with that one.

If I get bit again I would not take the antibiotics, although I think I should have started out with them first.

Just saw this thing: https://www.ampcoil.com/lyme-help?gclid=CjwKCAiA2fjjBRAjEiwAuewS_dpObJ1ypDuPsTO5r73KjE1JAkznYPc_TosV-tKQBD5zpVvKGS-RUBoCUUoQAvD_BwE

Looks expesive.

I would get it if I thought it would help, but at this point it seems to me that I have zero symptoms, my energy leaves are higher then they ever have been. The only problem I can see this month is that I need to take more powder rather then avoid it. I need to take twice a day or three times, but I don't. In other words, I have an bad attitude when it comes to drinking dirt.

And I forgot to mention the breathing.

Also, I don't use American Herb and Spice, I use UpNature now. AHS is way too expensive, and they cut it with olive oil - even worse. I think you need to use only what they squeeze out of a load of it if you want to make progress because they use a ton of it to get what they have in those little bottles---I am talking about products like Plant Guru now not AHS. Both are okay if you money is not a problem.

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 11, 2019 - 06:22pm PT

Just thought I would bring you guys up to date. I got a little sprain in my wrist for a couple of days. Not sure what that was about but it is better now.

I upgraded my medication as you can see in the photo above. Up Nature is affordable, that North American Spice is too expensive, maybe with everything going that way was around $18.00 a day. Not sure what it is now, but it is going to be a lot less using those bags you see in the photos of oregano and Japanese Knotweed. The other companies do not cut their product with olive oil like North American spice does, their one ounce oil mix is $30 and the undiluted 4 oz up oregano was only $21.88 and both have the same percentage of carzalrol, around 65% in the oregano itself.

For supper I had hamburger with onions and peppers, garlic, ginger, jalapino peppers, tumeric. I usually put some sea salt and Indian spices on it and then I get some probiotics and hydroelectric acid pill.

My shoulders are doing pretty good now, I can sleep on my side. I took break from the climbing gym but I worked today, and I have zero brain fog since before Christmas.

If you use that juice, watch yourself, it's really strong stuff. I can imagine if you contracted Lyme it would kill it in one day if you took enough of it.

I take some clove bud now and then, but that stuff tastes like floor cleaner and I do not like it. I think that stuff is the strongest junk, even stronger then the turpentine.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 20, 2019 - 02:05pm PT


From what I can figure, I was bit around August 2nd 2017. After feeling sluggish around 2-3 weeks later I realized I probably had Lyme, and then I get the bulls eye. Finding a doctor to answer a questions was impossible on a Friday night, so over the weekend I decided to do it myself. All those guys wanted from me was my money. Looking back I suppose I could have tried that antibiotics and would suggest them to people when they first get Lyme. But those guys what to see blood tests to find out if you have it, when in the only sure way to tell is by symptoms.

I have been slacking off on the herbs, not sure if I am ready yet for that. I am just getting lazy. I feel better then before I got bit. The big problem was figuring out how much and what kind of junk to take.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Mar 20, 2019 - 02:24pm PT
I upgraded my medication as you can see in the photo above.

Medication would indicate you are taking "medicine".... none of that is medicine, but it *is* a massive assortment of #woo_fukery. Hope you get better... time, placebo, whatever is at play here.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 21, 2019 - 05:22pm PT

I cut down on my placebo for a few days and started to get just a tinge of a headache, starting some jaw joint pain, near invisible swelling of the feet all today. Well maybe the swelling of the feet started a few days ago, but it is not real swelling, it just seems like it could be, its hard to explain. You need to know your body I guess.

So I need to go back to twice a day and add an extra at 12:00. The good news is that I have no pain in my shoulders for months at a time or brain fog and I can climb 5.11+.

Lets see, so now I'll take some turpentine and 10 capsule and some dirt tasting knot weed. I'll let you know how fast I get back to being sick without the symptoms. This time though I am not using the $400 per month pills, I am going down the low road.

By this point you may be thinking "Lyme is like this guys toy, what would he do without it?" Well, that would in part be correct, I am toying with it, and I really don't care. But I guess I have to kick it up a notch to make sure the bugs don't eat all my brains. Man, I hate that taste of that powder. Here it goes again!


Russ, do you remember passing me with two guys on the Nose, I was using a cot as a portaledge? No, I think that was John Middendorf instead.

Important info: Japanese Knotweed: KW is a systemic antimicrobial that crosses the blood-brain barrier, and it is protective of the central nervous system. It is a particularly good source of resveratrol, the age-defying substance found in grapes and wine that everybody is talking about. But unlike grapes, JKW provides trans-resveratrol, the form most readily utilized by the body.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Mar 21, 2019 - 05:55pm PT
Just checking in. Lyme pretty much killed Dan as I mentioned way early in the thread. I have his journals which describe the last 6 months of his life and all he was going through. Folks, please treat this seriously and find a lyme doctor fast. At least there are a few out there now.......
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 21, 2019 - 10:36pm PT
Well, whatever date that was you really needed to have headed to a doctor for some antibiotics...
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 22, 2019 - 06:15am PT
Without knowing it, my dose was too low all this time. I am now doubling it.

As for the Antibiotics, when they fail, if they fail the Japanese Knotweed succeeds. KW is a systemic antimicrobial that crosses the blood-brain barrier, and it is protective of the central nervous system. It’s also anti-inflammatory and supports immune function. JKW is a “double duty” supplement that offers many profound benefits beyond antimicrobial properties. It is a particularly good source of resveratrol, the age-defying substance found in grapes and wine that everybody is talking about. But unlike grapes, JKW provides trans-resveratrol, the form most readily utilized by the body.

I was not sure if I still had Lyme or not, but now that I slacked off for a week it has become apparent that I still do have them hiding inside me happy with the the twice a day.

Going to the doctor is a good idea if you happen to find the right one. Ultimately, you need to know more then the doctor about your own body and what to do and what not to do. I am getting to that point now. If I use the Antibiotics they will not work unless I take enough of my supplements with them to dissolve the biofilms. Stephen Harrod Buhner said in his book that he doesn't care about antibiotics----any reputable doctor who will go the antibiotic route also needs to incorporate the Stephen Harrod Buhner as well. If not the antibiotics may or may not work.

I am going to hold off on the antibiotics for the time being. Sorry about your loss Lynne, it must have been a tough ride for Dan---so sad.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 22, 2019 - 07:15am PT
If you didn't take antibiotics in the initial 2-4 weeks you're probably past the point where antibiotics are going to do a lot for you. The deal is hitting it before it gets established. After that, it's a persistent problem and a circumstance one is best to avoid.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 22, 2019 - 10:23am PT
True.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Mar 22, 2019 - 11:42am PT
15+ years ago we were told by every doctor we went to, "There is absolutely no lyme tick or disease in Southern California." Six months after Dan died the State of California Department of Public Health sent out a flyer to every physician in the state informing them there was indeed an outbreak here and they had better learn to identify it and treat it. Of course I've said all this earlier up thread. A young female newscaster from San Diego knew she had Lyme and was pretty much ridiculed by several physicians.

Of course hindsight is always better......we did our very best! I formally presented the hospital physicians with all Dan's Lyme journal notes and made sure they were in his hospital health file. Perhaps they would help someone else.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Mar 22, 2019 - 01:17pm PT
So, what are good tick repellents? The snow is melting here and the season is coming; typically I stay out of the low brush/grass terrain around here during the season, but wish I could do some of the conditioning hikes around here. I was up Goat Peak early last year when there was still a lot of snow; there were ticks at the summit crawling around on the snow. Any recommendations for good repellents?

A good friend of mine was the first Lyme disease case in Washington; he's recovered well from it.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 24, 2019 - 05:16pm PT
Protect you and your family from ticks and Lyme Disease with Protec-X repellent

https://cassingram.com/protec-x-2/

However, what works even better is just get Lyme, like me. I used to be so afraid of the disease, now I could care less if I get bit or not. I don't use any repellent, ha! Cure the fear not the Lyme! Well, there is some truth in that, if I ever figure this thing out. I think I am almost there. Give me a couple of more days of dirt 5 times a day and I'll be as good as gold climbing like a tick.

But if I was you!, I would advise you to get a hazmat suit. I used to use those when hiking to Millbrook, and we collected a lot of ticks back then, they are easy to spot. Get the ones with the booties attached, like the one below. Be careful though, they can get hot, so you have to take off your pants until you get to the crag. There now in style, but no one has figured that out yet. Too bad I was not wearing one the day I go crawled on. That was stupid.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Mar 25, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
The best way to get the scoop on whats going on and what has been discussed here, with excellent input
is to review what a google search reveals...The Link takes you to the search page that has a 1/2 dozen or so threads.

https://www.google.com/search?q=permethrin+site:supertopo.com&client=pub-5123488992444294&domains=supertopo.com&hl=en&oe=ISO-8859-1&ei=2SuYXPRm6eX9BrKKu7AP&start=10&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwi0t8CYj5zhAhXpct8KHTLFDvYQ8NMDCJEB&biw=1312&bih=608


 Permethrin-for all clothing, although"
 children are treated 'topically' with it for lice...

Living in Connecticut, basically, ground zero;

Ticks and the risk illness have severely affected the places and the way I act when I do go into the woods.

The fear of the risk of illness has a greater effect on my activities than I can explain.

We almost never take the dog anywhere for fear of tics getting into the cars!

I only go to 3 or 4 places that I have been spraying for years.

I start now as the snow melts walking the zones with a narrow rake, spraying.

Then as soon as I can (by June) I try to burn the small plies and spray the fire line with yard-guard or similar & Permethrin.
I also use Deet (till my lips tingle).

I fear the big "C" from all this but the immediacy of misery &* medical expenses from another strong Tick-borne illness, that is more likely is a greater worry.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 26, 2019 - 12:54am PT
However, what works even better is just get Lyme, like me. I used to be so afraid of the disease, now I could care less if I get bit or not.

There are numerous strains of the disease, it would still be best to avoid getting bitten.

Re-infection with different a B. Burgdorferi strain can cause a super-infection in mice

And that's just B. Burgdorferi as opposed to all the other Borrelia strains out there and non-Lyme co-infections.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 26, 2019 - 06:27am PT
The Sawyer spray that the Gnome posted above I buy by the case, literally. A combo of that on all clothing and real DEET on all exposed skin works very well, but is a total PITA to apply well.

The alternative is an incurable crippling painful disease which strips people of their physical and cognitive abilities.

And as mentioned above there are about 5 other common also very dangerous diseases carried by those little bastards....

Tom Bruskotter

Trad climber
Seattle
Mar 26, 2019 - 07:07am PT
"Subjects wearing permethrin-treated sneakers and socks were 73.6 times less likely to have a tick bite than subjects wearing untreated footwear."

Not 73% less likely to get a tick bite. 73X less likely!!

Tick Bite Protection With Permethrin-Treated Summer-Weight Clothing

https://academic.oup.com/jme/article/48/2/327/893233

Put it on your outdoor shoes and clothes. Not on your skin. I put a bit of DEET on the vulnerable ankles, waist, head, neck also.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 27, 2019 - 09:25am PT
Dan Lyon says the ticks are so happy they just crawl right over that ... they know the deal and they ain't waiting any more on that blade of grass! What Dan does is he rolls up his pants to his knees and waits to feel them coming. I have not tried that yet, but it might be the 2nd best idea after my white hazmat suit. Maybe I should start practicing the use of those now, hummmm---I need to order if so.

healyje wrote: "Re-infection with different a B. Burgdorferi strain can cause a super-infection in mice. And that's just B. Burgdorferi as opposed to all the other Borrelia strains out there and non-Lyme co-infections."

I already knew that, my thinking is if you are pumped up with the right herbs a new Borrelia would not take hold. That's a very risky assumption I admit as healyje rightly pointed out, it would be better to continue to stay freaked out. When I get to the point where I am cured and not pounding down ounces of oregano I will be like the rest of you because:

Now that I am into this relapse from slacking off I realize that it may take 2 weeks to get back on top. It has been about 7 days and I got this lock-jaw trying to come in. I can not chew too well. I think we are now making the U turn back to where I was before. Apparentally the way this thing seems to work is, it's like fulling a gas tank, and it is not till your almost full that anything works right, in the meantime the bugs are drilling holes everywhere. But this was nessasry in order to understand that my method was never enough to erradicate it, only to keep it at bay. This time I am going to take it more often, as well as use better and and cheeper sources. That North American Herb and Spice cost $200 for a week, that's $600 a month just for 8-10 powder caps a day along with some oil. What differance does it make if it comes from the organic wild mountains of Greece if you live near to a oil refinery and an incinerator? I hung up the phone and got the same think for $10.00 from https://www.bulkapothecary.com/oregano-essential-oil/ But I have to cut it with my own olive oil 50/50. They do not need to charge $39 for one oz when you can get what should be the same thing from Italy for $9 but that you have to add your own olive oil. Maybe the olive oil is more expensive then the oregano? But this is what Crass Ingram recommends for some reasons, even though as I told the person on the phone before I hung up, that their prices are cost prohibitive of my ever getting rid of the disease. Typical. Granted, they come up with some great ideas, and we should be grateful for that, and they even have deal with the Big Pharma liars funded liars,
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[Oregano Supplement Marketers Agree to Pay $2.5 Million to Settle FTC Charges for False Advertising Claims August 12, 2008
TAGS: Consumer Protection The marketers of a line of dietary supplements have agreed to pay $2.5 million to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that claims about their oregano oil and capsules were false and unsubstantiated in violation of federal law. According to the FTC’s complaint, North American Herb & Spice Co., LLC, and its owner, Judy Kay Gray, falsely claimed that Oreganol P73, Super Strength Oreganol P73, and Oregacyn (currently sold as OregaRESP) are scientifically proven to prevent or treat colds and flu.]
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, but do we need to become so indebted we become slaves in a similar manner as we would to Big Pharma?



Lyme Can Be Killed. New Research Shows Oregano Oil Dissolves Biofilm
FOODS THAT CUREMAINSTREAM MEDIA NEWSNATURAL MEDICINE NEWSNATURAL REMEDIESTHE LYME DISEASE CURE March 5, 2018 Cass Ingram 20

Breaking news: Carvacrol and other Naturally Occurring Phenolic Compounds Dissolve Lyme Biofilm Layers, Killing Deadly Pathogens
Updated, 3-13-18

As has been stated here, repeatedly, wild oregano oil is the lead therapeutic agent for the natural treatment of Lyme disease through the dissolution of the germ biofilm. For over five years through the book The Lyme Disease Cure and via personal, as well as clinical, experience, it has been determined that phenolic compound-rich essential oils are the most effective Lyme disease treatment therapies known.

It is now clear, because of the highly beneficial results seen, that such oils must be recommended as the primary treatment for Lyme disease and the various tick-borne co-infections.

This has now been confirmed by a recent scientific study by J. Feng and S. Zhang, along with fellow investigators, where the Lyme bacillus was specifically treated with various essential oils. Here, the investigators determined, oregano oil was highly aggressive in destroying the Lyme biofilm layer, as were oils of cinnamon and clove bud, these being the most potent of all oils tested. Upon destroying that protective layer the oregano, cinnamon, and clove oils caused complete destruction of the germs. Of these, however, oregano oil was most potent, which was attributed to is rich content of the highly antiseptic phenolic compound, carvacrol.



Caption: wild oregano growing directly out of a rocky crevice

It was also on this blog, as well as in The Lyme Disease Cure, that it has been made clear, categorically, that the phenolic compounds in wild sage are also highly antagonist to the Lyme bacillus and also act to dissolve biofilms.

Noted the researchers, the oils “completely eradicated all viable cells,” a most monumental result. The exceptional potency of oregano oil was attributed to its rich content of the phenolic compound carvacrol, which directly dissolves the Lyme biofilm membrane. Once it dissolves this protective coating, which the bacteria produce to avoid immune surveillance, the germ can be killed, completely destroyed by the oregano oil phenolic compounds. The fact is what they and others have discovered is that carvacrol fully disrupts, or essentially shatters, the cell membranes of such pathogens after it dissolves the sticky, protective biofilm.

Here, often, antibiotics fail. In fact, in many cases the germs produce the anti-immune system biofilm in response to being stressed by such drugs.

Typically, for Lyme and its co-infections as a front-line therapy wild oregano oil has been recommended. However, efficacy is dependent upon a number of factors. The oil must ideally be fully wild-source. It should also be whole food, that is unrefined. Additionally, for optimal results it should contain a higher percentage of carvacrol than average, ideally over 75%. At levels of 80% or higher there is even greater efficacy, which rises exponentially with these richer levels.

There is now available an exceptionally potent form of this oil sporting a carvacrol level of up to 85.5%. Known as OregaUltra, this extremely potent natural complex contains only wild-source carvacrol, unlike cheaper imitations, which contain the added synthetic type. Here, too, the technique of double distillation should be kept in mind, where levels of this active ingredient are artificially raised by driving off other components. This ‘ultra-rich’ carvacrol-based formula is extremely potent and provides benefits even in modest doses such as five to ten drops twice daily.

The wild-source, carvacrol-rich oregano oil is relatively rare, arising from certain high-mountain areas as high as 12,000 feet above sea level. This makes the ‘ultra’ form exceedingly powerful because it is such a high carvacrol formula, making it ideal for supporting a powerful cleansing and immune response against this condition.

Other studies have shown that carvacrol-rich essential oils induce the dissolution of biofilms produced by salmonella, staph, strep, and E. coli. Even the drug-resistant forms of these germs, including the potentially deadly MRSA and E. coli O17:H7 have been found to succumb. This proves that any such essential oil complexes will prove lifesaving in the event of infection by such pathogens.

Certain formulas contain complexes of these antibiofilm oils. These formulations include those containing edible spice oils from sage, cumin, clove bud, bay leaf, and cinnamon oils. Look for such formulas to support the powers of high-carvacrol oregano oil as a natural means to combat these horrific, potentially deadly biofilm-based infectious diseases. If only the hospitals would take advantage of this knowledge, yearly, countless thousands of lives would be saved.



Sources:

Feng, J., Zhang, S., Shi, W., Zubcevik, N., Miklossy, J., and Y.Zhang. 2017. Selective essential oils from spice or culinary herbs have high activity against stationary phase and biofilm Borrelia burgorferi. Front. Med. 11:169.

Gaio, V., Lima, C.A., Oliveira, F., Franca, A., and N. Cerca. 2017. Carvacrol is highly disruptive against coagulase-negative staphylococci in in vitro biofilms. Future Microbiol. 12:1487.

Ingram. C. 2017. The Lyme Disease Cure. Lake Forest, IL: Knowledge House.

Nostro, A., et al. 2012. Enhanced activity of carvacrol against biofilm of Staphylococcous aureus and Staphylococcus epidermidis in an acidic environment. APMIS. 120:967.

Wijesundara, N.M. and H.P.V. Rupasinghe. 2018. Essential oils form Origanum vulgare and Salvia officinalis exhibit antibacterial and anti-biofilm activities against Streptococcus pyogenes. Microb. Pathog. 117:118-127.

BTW, the number one herb mentioned by the Bible is hyssop, maybe this is oregano? I see it a couple of times in the New Testament as well.

HYSSOP (Hebr. ; so rendered after the Septuagint and the Vulgate; comp. also Josephus, "B. J." vi. 3, § 4):

By: Emil G. Hirsch, I. M. Casanowicz
There is great uncertainty as to what specific plant is intended either by the Hebrew "ezob" or by the Greek ύσσωπος, nor is it clear that the words are identical. The Greek ὕσσωπος was credited with purifying qualities (comp. Dioscorides, i. 105, iii. 30; Pliny, "Hist. Naturalis," xxvi. 15 et seq.; Porphyry, "De Abstin." iv. 6), and is commonly identified with the Origanum Smyrnœum or O. Syriacum, belonging to the order Labiatœ. The Hebrew "ezob" is described as a small plant found on or near walls (I Kings iv. 33), apparently of aromatic odor, so that it was burned with the Red Heifer (Num. xix. 6). It was also used in the purification of lepers and leprous houses (Lev. xiv. 4, 6, 49, 51; comp. Num. xix. 18; Ps. li. 9), and in the sprinkling of the blood of the paschal lamb on the door-posts (Ex. xii. 22).

The "ezob" is evidently not common hyssop (Hyssopus officinalis), which is not a native of Palestine. The Talmud (see below) also distinguishes the ezob of the Pentateuch from the Greek and Roman hyssop. Maimonides (on Neg. xiv. 6) interprets "ezob" by the Arabic "ṣa'tar," denoting some species of Satureia, which is cognate to the Origanum and of which the S. Thymbra is found in Palestine; so also the other old Jewish exegetes, as Saadia in his Arabic translation of the Pentateuch; Ḳimḥi in his "Oẓar ha-Shorashim," s.v.; Abu al-Walid, etc. Some modern authorities would identify the ezob with the caper-plant (Capparis spinosa), which abounds in Egypt, in the Sinaitic peninsula, and in Palestine, and the cleansing properties of which seem to have been traditional in the Orient. This view finds support in the similarity of "ezob" to "aṣaf," the Arabic name for the caper.

In Neg. xiv. 6 and parallels are enumerated, besides the ezob of the Pentateuch, five other kinds, namely, the Greek, the colored, the wild, the Roman, and that "with some [other] epithet." For the regulations of the ritual use of the ezob, see Parah xi., xii.; in Parah xi. 8 the ezob is considered as a wood; while in Suk. 13a it is counted among the reeds and branches with which the booth may be covered. With allusion to I Kings iv. 33 the ezob is metaphorically applied to the humble and lowly (M. Ḳ. 25b).

Bibliography:
J. Forbes Royle, On the Hyssop of Scripture, in Jour. Royal Asiatic Soc. viii. 193-212;
Tristram, Nat. Hist. p. 455.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 27, 2019 - 09:44am PT
The Zhang studies are ALL invitro though keep in mind. Although that's essential for initial studies we need live trials with animals and humans.

Many compounds don't cross the blood/brain barrier in humans very well or at all. Many more likely don't address Borellia biofilms in areas like joint spaces with poor or little blood circulation.

So the point is you're likely killing off the spirochete forms in your blood and well perfused tissues only to have the remote film reservoirs resupply new soldiers afterwards.

No easy solution for sure. But do be careful even with herbal stuff... If I were you I'd get some regular blood labs with LFT's just to make sure your not nuking your liver or kidneys as they try to process the supplements.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 27, 2019 - 09:54am PT
Thanks Fear, but from what I am told Oregano will never do that, unless you do not mix it 50% with olive oil. Japanese Knotweed is believed to cross the blood brain barrier as well as oregano.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 27, 2019 - 08:37pm PT
Herbals like Oregano Oil may have some anti-biofilm properties, but remember that biofilms only happen when there are sufficient numbers of bacteria present to form them - in other words, there's already a sh#t-ton of bacteria if biofilms are forming.

And a herbal inhibiting biofilm formation is one thing, killing bacteria present in your system is entirely another. I personally don't believe there is any amount of any kind of synthetic or organic chemistry other than antibiotics which is going to have a remote chance of clearing your system of an infection. Ditto for things like raising or lowering body temp or pH (in that mid-1800s Kelloggs health resorts sort of way) .

Emerging Infectious Disease Journal
Co-infections in Persons with Early Lyme Disease, New York, USA**
Volume 25, Number 4—April 2019

Gary P. Wormser, Donna McKenna, Carol Scavarda, Denise Cooper, Marc Y. El Khoury, John Nowakowski, Praveen Sudhindra, Alexander Ladenheim, Guiqing Wang, Carol L. Karmen, Valerie Demarest, Alan P. Dupuis, and Susan J. Wong
Author affiliations: New York Medical College, Valhalla, New York, USA (G.P. Wormser, D. McKenna, C. Scavarda, D. Cooper, M.Y. El Khoury, J. Nowakowski, P. Sudhindra, A. Ladenheim, G. Wang, C.L. Karmen); New York State Department of Health, Albany, New York, USA (V. Demarest, A.P. Dupuis II, S.J. Wong)

Abstract

In certain regions of New York state, USA, Ixodes scapularis ticks can potentially transmit 4 pathogens in addition to Borrelia burgdorferi: Anaplasma phagocytophilum, Babesia microti, Borrelia miyamotoi, and the deer tick virus subtype of Powassan virus. In a prospective study, we systematically evaluated 52 adult patients with erythema migrans, the most common clinical manifestation of B. burgdorferi infection (Lyme disease), who had not received treatment for Lyme disease. We used serologic testing to evaluate these patients for evidence of co-infection with any of the 4 other tickborne pathogens. Evidence of co-infection was found for B. microti only; 4–6 patients were co-infected with Babesia microti. Nearly 90% of the patients evaluated had no evidence of co-infection. Our finding of B. microti co-infection documents the increasing clinical relevance of this emerging infection.

So odds of co-infection in your neck of the woods is 10% - on the first tick...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 27, 2019 - 09:00pm PT
I'd have to agree that without the proper antibiotic cocktail that elimination in a patient already strongly colonated is probably not possible.

If I had to guess, the triple cocktail Zhang found that worked 100% invitro in conjunction with hyperthermia (in an office and monitored) would be a good start. Problem is there are no dosing guidelines and no human trials on the horizon since a lot of a-holes in the idsa can't pry their heads out of said a-holes. Chronic lyme still officially doesn't exist.

Until then we've got people suffering horribly trying all kinds of crazy sh#t...

The exact same political crap happened with Syphillis, curiously also a spirochete.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 29, 2019 - 12:57pm PT

I can say that I am starting to get back to normal. This is a day that I can say that things appear to be going back the opposite direction in my favor. I feel normal, I suppose I should try the climbing gym later. Last time I went a few days ago by performance was substandard, perhaps 5.9 from 5.11+.

My lockjaw is clearing up.

Twice I got in the tub around 112° Fahrenheit for around 15 minutes to soak my meninges in to kill all the spirochetes in there till the Knotweed catches up. I will probably do it again tonight anyway, but I need some Lactucarium tincture so I can get a good 30 minutes. I need some kind of sedative, as what is typical.

So, it looks like once the sh#t hits the fan it takes about a week to get it under control again. Wow!, what a ride.

I also used oregano tincture all night for the last two nights.

From here on out I need to be more aggressive until I slack off again.

One good thing is that I learned that the dirt tastes okay with applesauce! [2 blended apples] I think I will eat some more right now.

I also found better sources for herbs than china such as NY state. Finding this stuff locally took me a whole day.

https://harmonicarts.ca/products/lyme-ease?variant=15902098882675
This farm has Japanese Knotweed in their product

http://www.healingspiritsherbfarm.com/store/lyme-support#
This farm has Japanese Knotweed on hand.

When you get this stuff, whatever way you get it, all you have to do is put the J.K.W. in the blender to convert it from leaves to dust! I did not know that before, that saves a lot of money. I am talking about when they give these things to you dried up. If you go in the wood and dig up a root then you have to soak it in alcohol for a few weeks to make an alcohol-knotweed tincture.

I still need to find local oregano though.

Opps, looks like I have a problem 1.) I may have the wrong oregano and 2.) I can not make heads or tails of this paper:

Maybe you guys can help me out. Is this guy lucid or do I have brain fog?

“Getting Oregano Right

By Conrad Richter

From https://www.richters.com/show.cgi?page=MagazineRack/Articles/oregano.html

Oregano is one of the most popular herbs in the garden centre trade. In demand for its hot, spicy flavour, the “pizza herb” is a quick crop from seed, and an easy sale – provided you start with the right varieties.

The trouble is that the seed industry, out of ignorance, has for years sold the wrong seeds as oregano. Usually seeds of a plant that is more correctly called “common marjoram” – a hardy perennial with slightly hairy leaves and pinkish flowers – are offered as “oregano”. Common marjoram (not to be confused with sweet marjoram, Origanum majorana, an entirely different herb with its own distinct flavour and uses) has the right botanical name – Origanum vulgare – but none of the flavour and aroma typical of the imported dried product so loved in Greek and Italian cooking. …”

[ “The trouble is that the seed industry, out of ignorance, has for years sold the wrong seeds as oregano. Usually seeds of a plant that is more correctly called “common marjoram” – a hardy perennial with slightly hairy leaves and pinkish flowers – are offered as “oregano”.” ]

Common Marjoram is Not Oregano? In the first sentence Conrad sets us up with a question in our minds: What is the “trouble”, “ignorance”, and “wrong”?? The answer appears to be in the very next sentence with “Usually ….”. This would follow that “are offered” is to mean by Conrad “are offered” wrongly. Note the quotation marks around oregano indicating a wrongly so called “oregano” at the end of the second sentence! It would seem obvious that Conrad is saying “common marjoram” is called oregano out of ignorance, and not only that, it tastes like sh#t as we see by the time we get to the third sentence.

Common Marjoram is Oregano? But there is another possibility. Perhaps Conrad is explaining in the second sentence that “Usually …” has to do with a “Usually” that is a correct “Usually”. And that the “are offered” is a “rightly offered”. The only problem with this view may be that Conrad puts quotation marks around oregano. But the quotation marks could mean nothing because he just finished using them around common marjoram, and we know that he is not talking about a fictional marjoram there. Maybe he just likes using a lot of quotation marks? The same reason why they are around marjoram should be the same reason they are around oregano.

Conrad writes “Common marjoram … has the right botanical name – Origanum vulgare – …”. Okay so Origanum is the same as oregano, did Conrad just call marjoram oregano? Yes he did, and this time he did it without quotation marks. Now we need see if we can get some clarification here, let’s go elsewhere.

From Wikipedia: (btw Wikipedia lies about medical and other things, keep that in mind but forget it for now) Oregano (US: /ɔːˈrɛɡənoʊ, ə-/,[1] UK: /ˌɒrɪˈɡɑːnoʊ/;[2] Origanum vulgare) is a flowering plant in the mint family (Lamiaceae). It is native to temperate Western and Southwestern Eurasia and the Mediterranean region. Oregano is a perennial herb, growing from 20–80 cm (7.9–31.5 in) tall, with opposite leaves 1–4 cm (0.39–1.57 in) long. The flowers are purple, 3–4 mm (0.12–0.16 in) long, produced in erect spikes. It is sometimes called wild marjoram, and its close relative, O. majorana, is known as sweet marjoram.

So I am going to assume Conrad is correct, Marjoram is oregano and it is not oregano at the same time? I can not figure Conrad out.

Or maybe all this just has to do with seeds, I guess if that's the point then the rest has somewhere to go, maybe, I don't know. Maybe I should try and rewrite his paper. If so I certainly would not start out with "The trouble is that the seed industry, out of ignorance, has for years sold the wrong seeds as oregano." Rather I would say "The trouble is that the seed industry sells what should be essentially considered two completely different plants under the same name labeled oregano."









fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 30, 2019 - 05:43am PT
That's one of the huge problems with herbals is you really don't know what your getting. Even if you get the right plant you're interested in there's a lot of variability in active ingredients from lot to lot depending on the plants themselves and how they were processed. We're unlikely to see stringent protocols followed in an unregulated herbal processing facility.

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Mar 30, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
Well, maybe I can figure something out that might help or start a greenhouse. There are ways to analyze the plants for minerals and what it is in the plant that does the job. Some of it is organic. My lockjaw is almost gone, so the batch I am using now from here and there is working. I think tomorrow I will be able to eat an apple.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 30, 2019 - 09:40pm PT
Personally, I think you need a three-month course of an IV antibiotic cocktail. That's what my NJ friend had to do to clear hers - walk around the house with a roll-around IV rig for such a stretch. Worked though.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 3, 2019 - 10:23am PT
Lyme is not going anywhere if you got no stomach acid:

The Importance of Hydrochloric Acid (HCL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWvvnKqNmNA

The #1 Remedy for Sibo, IBS, Gerd and Candida overgrowth: you can't heal your gut without it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9AVZWutjW8

How to Repair Your Gut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FAxw2487Ew

This is going to make a big difference in my reaction to the herbs. How did I first come to this conclusion? I have a book, I have the recommended probiotics, I have the stomach acid pill I try to remember to take after I eat a steak, I have the Bio-Kt plus. I should know the importance of all this stuff already. What happened?

What happened is I have this case of athletes foot fungus on my left pinkeye toe that will not go away. For the last week I have been removing all the white skin every day and dosing it with vinegar. Should work. So I did some research the results of which told me that if you do not have the necessary stomach acid your body will happily accept fungus and parasites. Yikes! What that means is that the reason why I have red skin on my face, (the rosacea no one has an answer for) the crazy sometimes bowl problems, the continuous fart and sometimes belch problem, the fungus, and a tougher Lyme problem has to be because I do not have sufficient stomach acid during every meal. It was the fungus that caused the research and that research that convinced me, because I realized that the problem is living there happily under my skin for some reason.

In other words it dawned on me that my body has a condition which seeks to remedy itself by means of partnering with parasites and fungus because I have no stomach acid. Now there are tests I can do, but I know this to be the case already as I can identify changes in my digestion with and without it. I just never realized the seriousness of dealing with this BEFORE every single meal. I suppose I will do some test later. In the mean time my rosacea and dry skin seems to be presently fading away, and I have no gas now.

This is interesting in that unless one can clearly see the cause and effect, he will not understand what should be the proper response. I had a response, but it was not sufficient to bring a cure. Such a cure is no cure at all.

It is also helpful to know that the bugs like stomach acid.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 3, 2019 - 10:39am PT
Are there any natural repellent oils that actually work (on skin and clothes), as an alternative to stuff like DEET, permethrin?
A lot of oils, like eucalyptus, citronella, etc are listed online as repellents....I wonder if they work.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 3, 2019 - 01:53pm PT
We're in tick central here in CT.... I've done some very rigorous scientific peer-reviewed studies on my own private stock of captive ticks.

A lot of things are repellent to ticks when fresh but permethrin is the only thing I've found with any kind of residual effect. I've had ticks embedded in DEET soaked skin... After 4-5 hours mountain biking with sweaty skin, the Deet is effectively gone for ticks although it still repels mosquitoes...

If you treat clothing/gear with Permethrin it'll last days/weeks although I still spray it every time.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 3, 2019 - 01:58pm PT
I have great concern with synthetic pesticides...and very allergic to a lot of things.

I've used neem oil to deter spiders with moderate success, have no access to ticks right now.
Have a couple of repellent mixes of natural oils (citronella, peppermint, lemon, eucalyptus, geranium, some others) - don't know if these really work, though.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Apr 3, 2019 - 09:07pm PT
Asian Longhorned Tick can reproduce without mating. Yikes!
perswig

climber
Apr 4, 2019 - 04:03am PT
...my own private stock of captive ticks....ticks embedded in DEET soaked skin...

Reading that, I had a "IT RUBS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!!" image for a moment. Re-reading, all's good.

We and our local ER clinic have seen several clinical Lyme (fever, joint effusion) cases in dogs already this year.
Check yourselves and your canine companions.

Dale
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 12, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
A friend of mine here was scolding me, that I should not use the term Lyme, because I could have any kind of spirochete; especially since I got it from the Lone-Star Tick, who knows what it is!

I told him the term Lyme is used very loosely, and at the same time can refer specifically to Borrelia burgdorferi. That the treatments are all the same for the different tick spirochetes, yet any one spirochete can give you unlimited dissimilar symptoms! So what the hell difference does it make? None, that is why people just refer to everything as Lyme. Any spirochete can give you any disease and any herb tick treatment can kill any spirochete. They all will eat you alive if you do nothing ... well maybe not all ... some stay in your joints or else if you are unlucky in your brain.

Here is a video that proves my point, that is that 1.) that this doctor by default uses the term Lyme to refer to any number of tick born problems and 2.) this is born out again by the fact that he admits that he contracted it from a horse fly. (BTW, I think you can catch Lyme from horseflies, but not typically.) 3.) Then he turns around and uses the term to refer specifically to Borrelia burgdorferi.

Herbal Relief of Lyme Disease
https://video.wyomingpbs.org/video/herbal-relief-lyme-disease-iw27gu/?fbclid=IwAR2t3_OkuzQWqk9YOP20xM34Ykr46-iRKgGH9Pb3KEv3JexP-dTJOVk9__Q

How am I doing now? I feel okay now, but I suspect I have a little brain fog, not sure. I talk too much, more then normal ... perhaps. Starting today I am going for 4 times a day and once at night. I have to mimic the antibiotic and get it flowing continuously through my blood. Need to take three droppers full 3 times a day and more rather then just drops three times a day. And that along with the dirt. I worked on the computer 1/2 the day and yesterday I worked all day with no symptoms I could detect.

I make my own tincture now for Japanese Knotweed, found a better one on the market, and found better dirt. I used the stump, most people throw that part out. I had to beat it with a hammer to make it potentially worthwhile. Next I will make the powder as soon as I figure out how.

What fun I am having today! Got to keep it interesting.

And, I found out a secret protocol. Blend up the dirt and then mix it with apples and an orange and it tastes good instead of bad like dirt where I dread it and gag.

So exciting, it's like doing a big wall! Eshh .. so irrational ... I must have Lyme?






healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2019 - 01:50am PT
Any spirochete can give you any disease and any herb tick treatment can kill any spirochete.

That would be nice if that were true, but that's not really how it all works. Mabe a trip to Tuscany is in order, but then again a friend just came back from Italy with a Lyme variant he contracted there...

Conference On The Science of Spirochetology and Spirochete Disease Pathogenesis
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 13, 2019 - 08:36am PT
While looking at the Rife Machine again by Define intervention, that I chose not use, I came across this:

Say NO to Rife!
https://www.chronic-lyme-disease-solutions.com/say-no-to-rife.html

And then this
https://www.chronic-lyme-disease-solutions.com/lyme-disease-support.html

I am going to see this guy in Virginia, because I agree that 1/2 (if not all of the problem?) is with you not with Lyme.

The Guy Has A Book!


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 13, 2019 - 11:22am PT
One of the best first steps is to see a real neurologist who believes in chronic Lyme. I can get you a few names in CT. They don't take insurance though and are extremely expensive. The first thing they'll do is a complete workup with like 30 vials of blood being sent to different labs.

You're right in that Lyme might not be your only issue or your problem at all as there is no valid direct test for it.
perswig

climber
Apr 13, 2019 - 12:32pm PT
You're right in that Lyme might not be your only issue or your problem at all as there is no valid direct test for it.

Yep.

https://www.symptoma.com/en/info/polyarthritis

Consider reading this again; it's remedial but relevant, IMO.
Whether or not a rickettsial infection was the precipitating event, everything you continue to describe suggests inflammation, which at this point may very well be occurring in the absence of infectious etiology. Or from less-than-rigorous sterility from home arthrocentesis for that matter.

You would do well to take fear up on his offer and see a specialist in neurology or rheumatology; put the faith, time, and money described here chasing alterative therapies into a thorough diagnostic workup and treatment regimen that you 1. follow, 2. objectively assess, and 3. document.
Not stop after 3 days because you do, or don't, feel better in one body part or symptom. Or you miss the taste of dirt.
And while it's true that some health care professionals continue to be oddly intransigent to acceptance of the extent of arthropod-vector disease, take a hard look in whom you're entrusting your current care.


Dale


donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 13, 2019 - 07:38pm PT
Yeshhhh ... did you guys read https://www.chronic-lyme-disease-solutions.com/lyme-disease-support.html ???

I made an appointment with that guy for 10/10/2019 $250.00 and he gives you a tailored protocol to get your immune system working to deal with Lyme so as to beat it. You think he is lacking in something? Not sure where we are going here in light of my previous post because you both suggested those other guys in Connecticut. The lab rat thinks he is on to something big.

donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 13, 2019 - 07:48pm PT
Reasons for posting my physical progress:

A friend of mine did not understand the posts that have to do with what grade I am climbing at this day or that day. The reason why I post that kind of information is because the chronic guys on the antibiotics just lay on the floor all day, they can do nothing. But to the point, I think it is important to know where I am physically on some kind of scale, that is the reason why we observe lab rats. So far I am 100%, except for my middle finger hurt for 3/4 of the day and I am coming out of a slight brain fog. I went to the gym and did three 5.10s, and felt better after drinking more water and doing the breathing exercises.

If I had a real problem it would be that I can not get on my feet and my joints were all swollen and my brain did not work, same as it did before.

I know what bad is. I am not there today and I can only get better as time goes on. The real problem and fear I have now is that how am I supposed to know when I have killed all the bugs? If I have not killed them all and stop it takes 10 days to get back to normal and then I suppose another week or two to lock it in.

And, I took the big blood test, I have a lot of nickel and aluminum, so that lab I mentioned before prescribed a lot of pills that I had slacked off on. Now I am taking them again seeing the necessity of foremost optimizing my immune system.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2019 - 11:45pm PT
The Guy Has A Book!

The guy is a complete charlatan. Take Fear's advice above.

And, I took the big blood test...

Who had you take a big blood test?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 14, 2019 - 12:02pm PT
I know what bad is. I am not there today and I can only get better as time goes on. The real problem and fear I have now is that how am I supposed to know when I have killed all the bugs? If I have not killed them all and stop it takes 10 days to get back to normal and then I suppose another week or two to lock it in.

The issue is getting a better handle on exactly where all your problems might arise from. It very well could be Lyme or Lyme in conjunction with 5 other pathogens and an auto-immune condition.

We threw antibiotics against the wall too for 2 years before finding the right neurologist in Orange, CT.

Diagnosing something like this is a long extensive process based on a lot of repeated blood work and symptomatic analysis. It's an iterative thing as there is likely no single thing you can do to alleviate your condition. So if the Lyme literate doctor thinks Lyme is the primary issue then you try antibiotic X for 4 weeks and reassess... One known thing at a time.

Anyone who says they can fix you in 1-2 visits is probably FOS...

formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 14, 2019 - 01:00pm PT
Finding a doctor to answer a questions was impossible on a Friday night, so over the weekend I decided to do it myself. All those guys wanted from me was my money. Looking back I suppose I could have tried that antibiotics and would suggest them to people when they first get Lyme. But those guys what to see blood tests to find out if you have it, when in the only sure way to tell is by symptoms.

Aren't they supposed to start one on antibiotics immediately, upon Lyme symptoms/bulls rash/fact of tick bite being there, without blood tests?
Lyme takes quite a while for antibodies to show up in the blood.
I'll be doing long camping in possible Lyme area this summer, will make sure to have 2-week doxycycline supply on hand.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 15, 2019 - 05:55am PT
The best precaution is to not get bitten, really. If you do find a tick, any tick, embedded, an immediate start of of 30 days of doxy is my routine. Rash or no rash.. doesn't matter. There are also many diseases that ticks carry that doxy will not help with so be warned.

Beware the significant effects of sunlight toxicity on your skin when taking doxy past a week or so. Sunscreen does nothing.

formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 02:32pm PT
The best precaution is to not get bitten, really. If you do find a tick, any tick, embedded, an immediate start of of 30 days of doxy is my routine. Rash or no rash.. doesn't matter. There are also many diseases that ticks carry that doxy will not help with so be warned.

30 days - isn't 14-21 enough?
Regarding other infections...aside from very rare ones - doxycycline is supposed to work against Anaplasmosis. Babesiosis usually requires either no treatment, my understanding, or clindamycin. What else is there that isn't a freak occurence in Lyme areas? Erlichiosis and Rocky Mountain Spotted fever aren't co-endemic.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/dpk/diseases-and-conditions/lyme-disease/images/distribution-of-key-tickborne-diseases-lg.jpg
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 15, 2019 - 02:45pm PT
21 might be enough. 7 might also be enough. It might also be just enough to drive a few spirochetes into their alternate forms... to fester.

The thing is once you've seen someone suffering with truly entrenched Lyme you'll question if 30 is enough.

Don't believe a thing the CDC or IDSA says.

Invest heavily in Permethrin sprays and impregnated clothing. That stuff works wonders. DEET for exposed skin re-applied liberally.
formerclimber

Boulder climber
CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 03:01pm PT
21 might be enough. 7 might also be enough. It might also be just enough to drive a few spirochetes into their alternate forms... to fester.

The thing is once you've seen someone suffering with truly entrenched Lyme you'll question if 30 is enough.

Don't believe a thing the CDC or IDSA says.

Invest heavily in Permethrin sprays and impregnated clothing. That stuff works wonders. DEET for exposed skin re-applied liberally.

I can't use Permethrin or DEET...can't use synthetic pesticides and wouldn't want anyway.

"truly entrenched Lyme" I guess requires one not to take antibiotics early on...then, months of antibiotics might be needed, but I'm talking only about initial stage of possible Lyme shortly after a bite here. Need to buy more antibiotics to carry traveling.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 23, 2019 - 09:41pm PT
"Who had you take a big blood test?"

I did the blood and hair sample test and it showed a lot of nickel and aluminum. I went to a chiropractor for that. She was part of a program where they do a more comprehensive testing for 1/3 the price, the Science Based Nutrition program. Then I had the hair done by someone else, they are in this thread already.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 23, 2019 - 10:05pm PT
"The best precaution is to not get bitten, really. If you do find a tick, any tick, embedded, an immediate start of of 30 days of doxy is my routine. Rash or no rash.. doesn't matter. There are also many diseases that ticks carry that doxy will not help with so be warned."

If I find a tick on myself tomorrow morning I would do zero, zilch, zip, nil, nought, nothing. Well maybe not nothing altogether, I suppose I would need to remove the tick.

Frank Tkac says he gets bit all the time, he doesn't care either.

Seriously though, when you get to the point where I'm at you just don't care anymore about ticks. That's not to say that I would not take serious precautions. A second tick would present new challenges. But I suspect at this point I am ready for anything and in the near future I think my immune system will be even stronger.

And if my immune system was weak there is stuff out there stronger then what I take now.

Perhaps there is a purpose in Lyme, in the long run I know it will only help me. If it was not for Lyme I would have never found all the weaknesses in my immune system now, and that would have been worse.


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 24, 2019 - 12:06am PT
If it was not for Lyme I would have never found all the weaknesses in my immune system now, and that would have been worse.

Total rubbish. The nutrition/longevity/supplement business is made up of whole classes of fraudulent businesses and their output is complete garbage. The point of a real blood workup isn't to find out your metals chemistry (or any other such irrelevant nonsense), but rather to try and get a grip on your pathogen load, immune system response, and guide the appropriate treatment of an infectious disease. You really need to consider waking up and bailing on all this alt.quackery and get some real medical attention from someone who knows what the f*#k they and you are attempting to deal with.
perswig

climber
Apr 24, 2019 - 03:32am PT
Enough with the crazy talk, healyje!

Dale
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 24, 2019 - 10:58pm PT
Three-antibiotic cocktail clears 'persister' Lyme bacteria in mouse study
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 25, 2019 - 06:21am PT
I have to cut back on the Japanese Knotweed and Oregano I have.

It's too strong.

I'm getting high now, feels like marijuana and I'm not joking. Yesterday I had to go to bed.

Not sure which one is doing it, but I suppose this is a good sign. The stuff I was using before was old.

I do not think I have any symptoms this week, although I'm not sure. I have been somewhat slowed but its picking up now. Last time I was running around like the energizer bunny.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 25, 2019 - 06:30am PT
"The nutrition/longevity/supplement business is made up of whole classes of fraudulent businesses and their output is complete garbage."

I have one word for you Healyje, "chelation", but if that does't convince you then I would say "theasle", and if that does not work you need to start smoking pot until you can't type anymore.

Natural/Holistic doctors are the true healers. western medicine's Biomedical model doesn't actually keep patients well, nor improve their health beyond baseline.

Results from a little bit too much Chelation
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 25, 2019 - 01:50pm PT
There are SOME cases where chelation therapy - WHEN USED IN COMBINATION WITH SOME ANTIBIOTICS - appear to improve the efficacy of the antibiotics. Chelation therapy by itself, however, is WORTHLESS for combatting infectious diseases.

Chelation therapy is an effective treatment for a buildup of heavy metals. But there’s no evidence that heavy metals contribute to Lyme disease, and chelation therapy won’t treat the underlying infection.

A 2017 study evaluated the use of 34 essential oils to kill B. burgdorferi bacteria in a laboratory setting. Cinnamon bark, clove bud, and oregano essential oils killed the bacteria without any regrowth. These results are promising, but there’s no evidence that they work in humans with Lyme disease. Essential oils are used in aromatherapy, where the fragrant oils are inhaled through a diffuser or diluted in a carrier oil and applied topically. It’s not safe to ingest essential oils, especially in the quantities that you would likely need to treat Lyme disease.

It's your life, but I strongly suggest you dump the alt.quackery...
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 27, 2019 - 06:46am PT
Chelation is worthless because Mercury, Nickel, Aluminum lead and clogged arteries don't effect the strength of your immune system. (Using Chelation which will clean out the blood vesicles to effectively eliminate heart attack and stroke is pointless. Cardiovascular Drug Therapy Second Edition)

Fortunately, Medical Doctors who understand the value of Pharmaceuticals can prescribe cures for all known diseases.

In the past they have shut down clinics and hospitals that have cured cancer and other diseases so as to naturally keep themselves in Business. There have been many such kinds of injustices as this happen in the past however, such unnecessarily removing women's body parts or administering inhumane treatments to people with special needs. And of course there were those special tests done to these people as well as others that no one was aware of until today. The atrocities are countless. But they do not do that now, nothing can be proven in that regard today, it is all conspiracy theorists propagated by quacks. See quackwatch.com.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 27, 2019 - 11:28pm PT
...that have cured cancer...

No one has cured cancer. In fact, just saying the words "cured cancer" means you don't even know what cancer is. Cancer has been excised and variously forced into remission and dropped to undetectable levels, but I personally wouldn't use the word 'cured' for that. Cancer isn't a monolithic thing - every cancer is different and every person's cancer is a unique genomic instance and expression of a given category of cancer.

Not making any difference here so bowing out.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
Apr 28, 2019 - 01:45pm PT
I suppose that's correct. Everyone has cancer if cancer is old cells that hang around too long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpAa4TWjHQ4
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
May 14, 2019 - 04:36pm PT
I went to Dr. Donald Liebell in Virginia Beach, cost me 600 to fly there and back, and he told me that he is able to tell when I don't have the bugs, and that I have them now. He said it's an easy job.

In the mean time I suppose I am okay these days. I take the junk twice a day, Japanese Knotweed and Oregano from Greece, I use a food grinder. The update there is I ordered some roots from Healing Spirits, I did not know they sold roots. The roots are full of juice and I have been using dry powder, so this is going to be a game changer. For the roots I am going to make a tincture and the finer powder I also ordered I am going to use that instead of the chipped parts.

So, there's an upgrade on the powder, tincture, and the oregano that I got from a Greece source now. I bought 10 pound of that oregano.

Healing Spirits says if I take the right dose it should take a year to kill them all, but I do not keep up with it like I should because I am lazy, stupid or both.
LilaBiene

Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
May 14, 2019 - 06:25pm PT
I can't believe I didn't think to look for a Lyme thread here. :)

I was bitten in PA or NJ around 2007, but my then GP dismissed it as a spider bite. It took 11 years and 30+ doctors to get a diagnosis -- 5 bands on the Western Blot test. My CD57 cells were nearly nonexistant.

I was treated with an antibiotic cocktail (pulsing) for over a year, but began regressing. A new Lyme Literate doctor diagnosed me with symptoms of babesia infection, so have just completed two cycles of an anti-malarial + antibiotic cocktail. Last week I felt just short of dead, which apparently means that the bastard parasites are dying and blowing up my red blood cells in their wake.

I have the red spots all over my upper body to prove it.

The lack of knowledge about Lyme & its co-infections in the medical community is appalling. (More egregious, though, are the doctors that influence insurance policy, insisting that Lyme is easily treated. It's NOT.) Someday, I'll have to go back and count up the number of doctors that offered to prescribe me SSRIs...because women that complain about migraines, joint pain, racing heartbeat, lung spasms, night sweats, inability to sleep, memory loss, exhaustion, etc., they're really just depressed or going through perimenopause. (String of expletives deleted.)

Rant over. So sick and tired of being sick and tired. I really just want to be able to climb again. :)
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2019 - 03:06pm PT
Wow, that's a story there Lilabiane. Have you looked into http://lymediseaseassociation.org/ as well? (there is suppose to be a good site to consolidate new info, but I'm not sure if that is it) I have often wondered if it's what took out Jeff Lowe. He certainly lived and played where there were ticks and tick bites. Hopefully now that you have a diagnosis you can work on the fix lilabiene.....Donald Perrys info may be helpful as well but I'd let your Dr know of any "natural" cures if you chose to combine them with your cocktails.

Missed this earlier, first time HealyJ's been forced out voluntarily that I know of. Impressive. Bet there was some serious wincing and groaning when he was reading all this. :-)
"Not making any difference here so bowing out."


Regardless: GOOD LUCK AND HEAL UP YOU 2! As much as possible.
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
May 17, 2019 - 07:51am PT
LilaBiene please let me suggest the following, note that I am not a doctor.

1. Know that you need to be your own Dr as well as find a holistic Dr, such as Stephen Harrold Buhner, see his book Healing Lyme for starters. Then see Biting Back: How to Naturally Overcome the Effects of Lyme ...Book by Donald Liebell. I do not think your Dr. knows what he is doing because those bugs probably crossed over past the blood brain barrier by now, and to places where antibiotics will not work, antibiotics do not deal with mold, Lyme's best friend.

Why Antibiotics Have Limited Use for Chronic Lyme:

Borrelia is a highly evasive stealthy microbe

Borrelia grows very slowly

Borrelia becomes part of the microbiome

Microbial coinfections complicate therapy

Chronic use of antibiotics disrupts the microbiome3,4

Chronic use of antibiotics disrupts the immune system4

Antibiotics can damage mitochondria inside cells5

Antibiotics can disrupt protective biofilm in the colon6,7,8

People are still searching for solutions.

More here https://rawlsmd.com/health-articles/my-chronic-lyme-disease-journey?wickedsource=google&wickedid=271567568872&wtm_term=%2Blyme%20%2Bantibiotics&wtm_campaign=806966520&wtm_content=42161865019&wickedplacement&wickedkeyword=%2Blyme%20%2Bantibiotics&gclid=Cj0KCQjwt_nmBRD0ARIsAJYs6o3PwMlCc2H1Br3ui6PbvmOFwRxRR_rj-NDNFuQ9AOP5xhOcoFyYAWcaAm-sEALw_wcB

BTW, I do not suggest Dr. Rawls. Too expensive, and not enough power.

2. The first thing I would do is start the Wim Hof iceman breathing 4 times a day. The oxygen will kill off a lot of those buggers. Hot baths, as hot as you can take it for short periods of time kills the bugs as well as helps with the Herxheimer die-off. Be careful though, because the hot baths can be addictive. I have my own SHORT HEIGHT TUB from a horse troth that I fabricated, see photos. 111 F. can kill meningitis if you do it for a day and guarantee it if you do it for a month in my opinion. I try to stay in there for 1/2 an hour. I have not used this new tub yet, in the past I just did 1/2 my body at a time. You need to use ear plugs and drink a lot of water in there and put your head under, and you need someone to watch you and take your temperature. I think I got up to 103 F.

3. Know that no matter what you do, it is going to take around 6 weeks until you see any change.

4. Switch over to natural antibiotics, Japanese Knot Weed and Oregano as mentioned above powder and tinctures do them all day long, that stuff needs to always be in your blood.

4. Get outside and walk around, do not do too much or you will Herxheimer die-off and your joints will swell up like melons.

5. Once you get past the major die off you will be cruising, at this point there is going to be a problem being consistent. If you are not seeing Donald by then you should do so then.

6. Do not eat a lot of fruit, bread, milk, eat a lot of vegetables inducing onions and garlic etc. Some people can not do this because they have no will power.

7. Read everything I wrote.





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