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part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:28am PT
And on it continues, with take-down attempts at minimizing, taunting and flagrant as#@&%e behavior of "You're making a serious discussion? Here -let me throw in a shot of chicks having (photo-simulated) sex, to keep the creeps rallied and interested."


Jim Brennen is polite and makes his points without resorting to cheap tactics, but I do find his claim of "no prepubescent" as interesting. I believe that puberty in females is defined as commencing with the onset of the first menstruation. How can anyone here "know" those girls in the images at question had passed this stage in life?

Someone had claimed earlier that they backtracked the images, and came to model release disclosure information on the site. They did not provide links to that information. I wonder whether such a link on a website featuring images of young-in-appearance subjects in sexualized scenes is any more that a simple "stamp of authority" put up in case someone comes across the images, questions the legality so that they see this disclaimer and go "Okay, all good to go."

Would it be possible for that person to post the link to that web page? That would be beneficial, in my view.

I would also be interested in seeing those images "in context" to the site from which they came, out of curiosity. Were those the least suggestive images from the site? Were they the "front" images for a gateway to something else? Just wondering.


On another point, Largo wrote:

earlier sentence touches on what I mentioned earlier - strong reactions usually denote a history of sorts, often untoward, so sensitivity is indicated. It's mostly about the involuntary associations that accrue to a person, place or thing which determines our views; and everyone's past is not a glorious sunset. That's why a seemingly benign thread about a body part can trigger a Gorilla Monsoon of guff and emotional arcing.


Originally I thought he was suggesting people might consider being sensitive to others, considering the possibility that these images were upsetting for a very ugly reason, and one which most men here would loudly rail against if asked their opinion on sexual abuse.

But now I wonder if he wasn't just saying "Those expressing discomfort/upset are more sensitive because they were abused."


If the former - it goes worth saying that it has been well documented that at least 1 in 4 women in the US has been manipulated or forced into sex by the time she was 18 years of age. Personally, I think it is more than one in four. I'm not really even 100% sure I have ever met a woman who hasn't experienced that(though I certainly don't want any women I know of to believe that I look at them and think "probably has been." It's just an awareness that came to my mind as I was typing just now).

I don't mean to suggest anyone ought to "disclose" their freedom from being sexually abused as a minor, but I am pretty sure, in all the discussions I have had over the years, that I have never had a woman say they had made it to 18 without being molested.

I've seem plenty get uncomfortable in being part of a discussion of the matter, others listen silently and express sympathy with a look of fear in their eyes, others who tell me they don't remember many years of their childhood, including one who cannot recall ANYTHING between the years of 10 to 14), which can be an indication of trauma.


At any rate - if you KNOW that at least SOME of the women in this forum have had that trauma, is it too much to ask to behave with a modicum of respect? At least stop the taunting, trivializing, and gang-mentality intimidation baloney.

If the latter - yes. For me, at least, body memories are a "sensitivity issue" I experience(I assume most here know, or do now, that I am one of the "1 in 4" women). It was not the images in that thread that triggered them in me, but a post made by one person, intended to taunt t*r, and the subsequent(though small) gang pile-on in support, and the intimidation/minimization tactics that have been deployed against people in the various related threads. It probably comes from having my 8 year old sister come to me, as a nine year old, seeking help; disclosing that she had been forced to perform fellatio on a grown man. When I declared the action we'd take - what to me was the obvious thing to do (go to our mother) - she told me that he had "explained" how her mother wouldn't understand, would be jealous of her and might hate her out of that jealously. At least so long as she was alive. Because the knowledge of "their secret" would break her mother's heart, and that her mother would die from that heartbreak.

And for those who would suggest I seek professional help, believe me when I tell you I have been through quite a bit of it and have made extraordinary progress. That I am here telling you this small fraction of my story is one testament to that. To tell me "seek help" is nice - but in some cases I know what is actually going on with that suggestion. The person is uncomfortable with a woman who won't shut her mouth when politely asked, or the person is feeling discomfort themselves - which is their business and not mine.

Thank you to those who have refrained from hurling at me some of the sh#t they seem to have no problem hurling at others. But I must remind you - those men and women are "my sisters and brothers" and I will not let you shut us up.

Bravo!

All the vermin's here need to read this instead of jerking off.

She captures the nuances of female sexuality very well and WHY it is a very sensitive subject and the fact that female sexuality is so very little understood even to this day.


locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:30am PT



"read this instead of jerking off"...


I just read it while I was "jerking off"...


MUCH more enjoyable!!!...
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:44am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-Aggressive_Personality_Disorder


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_Personality_Disorder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder






The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:48am PT
ALL TIME smart ass remark there LOCKER!

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:50am PT


"ALL TIME smart ass remark there LOCKER!"...



I was being SERIOUS...
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:50am PT
nuances of female sexuality


WTF? No one ever mentioned *that* in PE.
part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:56am PT
careful boys, its that cocky attitude that was and still is one of the main problems in past sex threads and this current thread according to happiegirl
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 27, 2013 - 09:56am PT


"All the vermin's here"...

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Exemplary post Happiegirl...one of the most germane I've seen on the web. Thanks for expending the effort in face of a hard-boiled crowd.

The last wheel fell off the boobie wagon days before the "innocent Jill" images were posted. I wouldn't single out IHP as cad when many posted photos with an exploitive implication.

...I have doubts most here will "get it". Most of the assemblage seems to think the complaint is against nudity or exhibiting certain body parts, rather than moral insinuations and social consequences of how genders are portrayed relative to one another in some of these depictions. Art or photography can be obscene without ANY nudity if it glorifies dominion and control over others, slavery, imperious violence, dehumanization, exploitation etc.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Regarding the psych links, as they pertain to me(not suggesting anyone is suggesting they do, but in general we human do think subsequent posts on the internet are "about us" as a natural response, even at times when they are not):

To the "unconscious victim" one, I am no victim. I am a warrior.

Regarding what I assume are descriptives on personality disorders: I have been to the shrink, and I have been in women's workshops led by professionals in the field. I'm aware of each of those, and don't fall into the categories. That's not my self-diagnosis, by the way.

But, I am curious - May I ask for clarification from those who posted them as to their reasoning behind suggesting others ought to review that information?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:02am PT
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Oh for pity's sake. Is it too much to ask for those who have all these personal issues that have required years of therapy (and made "significant gains") to keep their sorry ass problems to themselves, and stop trying to push them upon women in general? It isn't all about YOU. While we're about it, could men please stop trying to "speak up for" the women who've run off whining and crying, saying they've been intimidated. They should speak for themselves. Oh, I forgot, they're too damn weak.

Women, if you've been intimidated stop running. Stop whining. Stop crying and sniveling. Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. It is NOT responsible for burqhas. Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.

In short, harden the f*ck up already.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:05am PT
There's probably a kernel here, something like "don't get between someone and their pain".
Work it out people!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:10am PT


Mostly AMERICANS of course (Speaking of STUPIDITY)...

part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:12am PT
Oh for pity's sake. Is it too much to ask for those who have all these personal issues that have required years of therapy (and made "significant gains") to keep their sorry ass problems to themselves, and stop trying to push them upon women in general? It isn't all about YOU. While we're about it, could men please stop trying to "speak up for" the women who've run off whining and crying, saying they've been intimidated. They should speak for themselves. Oh, I forgot, they're too damn weak.

Women, if you've been intimidated stop running. Stop whining. Stop crying and sniveling. Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. It is NOT responsible for burqhas. Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.

In short, harden the f*ck up already.


this is exactly the problem. Women being thrown up against the "male standard". The "male standard" is not a male standard, it is treated as THE standard.

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:14am PT


...

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:20am PT
But, I am curious - May I ask for clarification from those who posted them as to their reasoning behind suggesting others ought to review that information?

No definitely not you Happiegirl - you are pretty darn wonderful and normal..
WE all have our issues - no Saints and no perfect people anywhere.
But there are people, a few, who are truly sick.

I just put it out there for the people in the know..

Psych is very hard - when I first take clinical psych 20 years ago everyone in the class diagnosed themselves with everything and it was scary in an lol way..
After 20 years it is still an evolving field - you tend to meet lots of different types in ERs. I have always tried to help these folks as much as possible - but some are so incredibly beyond help it is hard to understand.
You can't help many but you don't want to enable them either.

I have always been a sucker for a hot chick, big breasts and a sad tale - story of my life..

I think Locker has a lot of psych training as well.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:23am PT


My info was for EVERYONE to read...

No one in particular...

Just pointing out how EASY it can be to PLAY the "Victim" card...



and as the aritcle I posted pointed out...

we ALL do it, at times...


So IF you're trying to MAKE it about YOU...

it will be...

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Canyoncat

Dude, Stop where you are. Your digging yourself into a grave. Don't ever tell a woman over the age of twelve that she is whining, sniveling, etc. EVEN IF SHE IS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT... If you do, you will become a target for all the wrongs of the world. You will find yourself in a special hell that only a woman can create. She and all her family and friends will NEVER forgive you.

Ways to deal when a woman who is feeling sensitive.

Rule one... Nod your head.
Rule two... Tell her something positive.
Rule three... Either agree, support or "here's a smart one for you..." SHUT UP.


That's it. Just ask any married man who has lasted ten years or more... This is the only way to survive. (Yes, I am advising you like a sister and I am only going to do this once. After this, you are on your own.)


Locker,

I think she is just sharing a point of view. It's not about her or I, it's about being aware of others and why they might feel threatened. I think it's a valid point even though I personally don't share it.

Plus Locker, you Know I don't play the victim card. Confused, upset, yes. A victim... Nah, I've hurt myself and the only way one can overcome hurt is by taking control over what is the possible. I can't control others, but I sure as heck can control my reaction to them, how I set myself up, live, etc. Life is stranger than fiction, that's for sure.

AFS




happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 27, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. .....Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.


In THESE post-Boobs thread threads, the problem has not been about men liking boobs at all! Why do some continue to insist(and you, Canyoncat insist in the above) that is the discussion we are having?

WHY should we shut our mouths because YOU don't like what is coming out of them. Take your OWN advice(not Canyoncat specifically) and "deal." But since your invective does seemed aimed at me:
 I don't have any sorry ass problems. "Sorry" that the image of an 8 year old coming to her 9 year old sister, and asking her to decide the fate of her life is a "sorry ass" problem in your eyes.

It was after some consideration that I decided to create that imagery(which is factual and an understated version, in case one misinterperates the word "imagery". "Sorry" it is offensive to your senses. Take your own advice and - just deal. Women like discussing things instead of ignoring them.

 To say I pushed anything on women in general is bullshit - especially when I made an effort to clarify that point specifically! That viewpoint is your projection - not what is actually going on.
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