Pick up a surf, skate, snowboard, motorcycle mag and see the difference. There's more tits and ass in one surf mag than all issues of climbing combined

anastasia should have nuked that thread. it's a measure of her immaturity, and perhaps her ego, that she couldn't recognize the monster she had created.

this thread was started by a young woman with an agenda

There's a general dynamic at play here - female, non serious or non climbers offended that male and mostly dedicated climbers are having fun trading photos of titties.

climbing used to be a solid boys club, and women knew their place in it.

It's almost like lots of climbing women are threatened by physically beautiful women, especially those with extra weight in their upper body who don't climb.

but the images with burlesque and strutting connotation should be kept on porn sites.

"And nobody close to TR is doing her any favors for enabling this behaviour. As a guy who has worked as a nurse with large groups of woman for 20 years I can promise you this kind of silliness and drama is not tolerated. You pull weird social and human resources stuff/bullshit like this you are gone fast - I've seen it a 100 times. These folks do not know how to play or work with others. TR is not employable at the present time - i would bet my man boobs on it!"

Riley says:
But the funniest thing of all is considering all the absolutely ridiculous drama TR has posted and been involved with over the years this has got to be the most ridiculous and hypocritical

Cause TR has posted her own boob pics!!! She would get drunk and send me pics of her boobs. And because I was involved in some drama with her, only on the phone thank goodness, I was in contact with many other people who also had had boob shots sent to them or been involved in more intimate and incredibly f*#ked up and dramatic ways - ask them? maybe they will post up!

Genesis 1 (KJV)
[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

...

[22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
[23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
[24] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
[25] And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

...


Genesis 3 (KJV)
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Just in case I was not clear regarding the OP and the title of this thread, there was nothing "serious" about the original boob thread. You f*#king morons must live under rocks to think for a second that there was any child porn in that thread. Were some of the women "smaller" and younger looking than others? Yes. But to equate that with the exploitation of a minor and child porn is ludicrous. What is "serious" here is the need for you to get a life!

It's not slavery at all

http://www.quodlibet.net/articles/parker-women.shtml

"Third, the description in this passage of the future relationship between Adam and Eve is about ‘alienation and conflict’ (Woolvard & Zuck, c. 1983–c. 1985). ‘The marriage ordinance continues, but is frustrated by the battle of the sexes.’ (Whitlock & Sproul, 1997) The whole message of the New Testament is one of reconciliation and unity, including those of the marriage relationship. To understand the consequences of Adam and Eve’s sin, in respect to their relationship with each other, as a command of God, would mean that this dimension of human relationships would be excluded from the gospel of Jesus Christ. As Richards (1997) points out, ‘Male dominance in the family is a consequence of sin. Why perpetuate it in the Christian home?’ Perry Yoder (1975) makes a similar point:

... while [Genesis] chapter 3 serves as an explanation for the less than ideal state of affairs that may now exist, it does not condone or pardon it. On the contrary, concessions or inadequate realizations of God’s will in terms of creation are to be challenged. (pp. 10–11 cited in Swartley 1983, p. 157)
If we persist in perpetuating these distorted types of relationships which are the result of the Fall, it is a clear message that we want to avoid allowing the gospel to teach us the proper Christian relationship between men and women.

Fourth, even if it is insisted by some that all of these are curses imposed by God, God immediately institutes a plan to reverse these curses. Apart from the implicit promises of a Saviour in verse 15, Abram is promised that all the nations of the earth will be blessed (the opposite of a curse!) through him (12:3).

We see the ultimate fulfilment and reversal of these consequence with the arrival of Christ. In Romans 5:21, Paul celebrates God’s wonderful kindness which rules instead of sin and the death it brought. As a result, sin’s power is broken (Rom. 6:1ff.) and the consequences of sin that we suffer begin to be undermined until they are completely eradicated at the Second Coming of Christ.

Whereas Genesis speaks of the husband ruling the wife, Paul commands mutual submission as the principle of all relationships in the Christian community, including marriage: ‘...you will submit to one another out of reverence for Christ’ (Eph. 5:21, NLT). Some argue that, in the following verses, Paul explicitly requires women to submit to their husbands and that the man is to rule her. However, it is essential to read the subsequent verses within the framework of the mutual submission of verse 21. In this verse, Paul makes a principle explicit using the term ‘mutual submission’. If we go on and make the specific applications that Paul makes deny this explicit principle, then we are twisting the Scripture to suit our own agendas. Whatever Paul has advised in the following verses must be seen as the application of the principle of mutual submission in the context of Paul’s time.

The contrast between the old and the new is clearly articulated by Redmacher (1997):

The word desire [in Genesis 3:16] can also mean "an attempt to usurp or control" as in [Genesis] 4:7. We can paraphrase the last two lines of this verse this way: "You will now have a tendency to dominate your husband, and he will have the tendency to act as a tyrant over you." The battle of the sexes has begun. Each strives for control and neither lives in the best interest of the other (see Phil. 2:3, 4). The antidote is in the restoration of mutual respect and dignity through Jesus Christ (see Eph. 5:21–33).
The motivation for this mutual respect is reverence for Christ (Eph. 5:21). Christ makes all the difference in relationships, including those between male and female, because ‘[t]here is no longer ... male or female. For you are all Christians—you are one in Christ Jesus.’ (Gal. 3:28, nlt) The fact that Paul makes reverence for Christ the centre of relationships, resulting in mutual submission, means the evil of the husband ruling the wife is reversed. Evans (1983) summarises the centrality of Christ in restoring our broken relationships: ‘It is only ‘in Christ’ that the broken relationship between man and woman, as that between God and Man, can fully and permanently be restored’ (p. 21).

The model for Christian relationships is most clearly and extensively articulated in Ephesians 5–6. We need to listen carefully to these passages of Scripture, for they help us to keep the consequences of Genesis in perspective. Fraser & Fraser (1975) summarise the difference that Jesus’ message makes to the relationship between husband and wife:

What was lost in the fall, expressed in Genesis 3:16 as the wife’s loss of equality in a functional subordination to her husband, Jesus intends to restore. The curse is rescinded by grace, and she is placed on the same level as her husband that she might be joint-heir with him in the responsibilities and grace of life (1 Peter 3:7).... The husband and wife are to be one in love and mutual subjection to each other. It would be difficult to find any norm for marriage as permanently threatening to all traditional marriage structures as that! (p. 18 cited in Swartley 1983, p. 265)
Christ came to reverse the consequences of the Fall. This means that we must stop using Genesis 3:16 to legitimate male dominance and tyranny over women, even if this is legitimised by saying that it is done in love. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free! Women should not allow men to place them back under the yoke that Christ has come to remove (Galatians 5:1).

The heart of the matter

Surely it has to be asked: Why is it that men (in particular) are so keen to argue that women should be submissive? If God has identified the tendency to rule as part of the consequences of sin, then we surely should ask ourselves whether, at the heart of the traditional interpretations of the Genesis story is a lust for power and domination. Power is seductive and easy to legitimate with religious arguments. But if Christ is our model for all of life, then we have no greater reason for an attitude of service and submission by both people in a marriage. It is in this way that marriages can witness to the radical change that has come with the arrival of Jesus Christ."

delusionsmeller

I am a serious man, when it comes to serious matters...

The word of G-d does indeed cut to the marrow like a two edged sword. Some can take it and some can't, but it will never go away.

klimmer, you're misquoting the bible to prove your private point, a common abuse in the history of "scripture". every time i've ever heard it, it was "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

what i get from this is: 1) big ego trip for jesus; 2) wait a minute--heaven's gonna pass away? you mean, we're not gonna go to heaven and live forever? maybe not such good deal after all; 3) it's just another biblical contradiction. norton's gonna be all over it.

of course, as you say, grammar and translation are important. for example, i've been told it's really, "thou shalt not murder," not "thou shalt not kill". opens quite a door, doesn't it? martin luther has assured us that, if a soldier dies on the battlefield, it is the will of god.

another thing, klimmer, very important at this stage in your career. if your wife and you have split up, you're just gonna have to remain celibate for the rest of your life, or at least until, and if, she straightens out and comes back to you. god was very serious about that "until-death-do-us-part" business. you're gonna havta carry the torch, maybe not for the old lady as much as for the integrity of your program. remember this terrible pronouncement:

The word of G-d does indeed cut to the marrow like a two edged sword. Some can take it and some can't, but it will never go away.

let me warn you, you're gonna have all kindsa ministers and/or priests figuring out loopholes so's you can try again with someone prettier, younger, and readily adaptible to an old f*#k with a house and a job. these guys are dodging for your dimes. even though they're wearing the cloth of the lord, they're doing the work of the devil. a vow's a vow, brother. get used to cold showers.

and what's with this "G-d" stuff? and in the same paragraph as "sex". doesn't win you any brownie points. god could well be pissed at you for leaving the vowel out. the hebrews did that too, and lookit what happened to them--given one of the worst patches of territory in the mideast and told it was "the promised land", kicked the heck outa egypt, which really had the choice real estate, and they didn't even get a desert full of oil, the bonus for faith in allah. and whatever happened to yahweh and elohim? could it be that god has an identity crisis? right around that corner, i'll bet you find a process theologian.

another thing, klimmer, very important at this stage in your career. if your wife and you have split up, you're just gonna have to remain celibate for the rest of your life, or at least until, and if, she straightens out and comes back to you. god was very serious about that "until-death-do-us-part" business. you're gonna havta carry the torch, maybe not for the old lady as much as for the integrity of your program. remember this terrible pronouncement:

The word of G-d does indeed cut to the marrow like a two edged sword. Some can take it and some can't, but it will never go away.

happiegrrrl-- "I am NOT against the female body."

Fair Alert: I intend to begin posting more images I find online to balance out the boob ones in these threads.

Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

Nukes, random deletions & repostings, vast edits, etc. I expect it got tiresome...

I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Pick up a surf, skate, snowboard, motorcycle mag and see the difference. There's more tits and ass in one surf mag than all issues of climbing combined.

You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Phew.
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

not being mocked at all.
you have your fans

and what's with this "G-d" stuff? and in the same paragraph as "sex". doesn't win you any brownie points. god could well be pissed at you for leaving the vowel out. the hebrews did that too, and lookit what happened to them--given one of the worst patches of territory in the mideast and told it was "the promised land", kicked the heck outa egypt, which really had the choice real estate, and they didn't even get a desert full of oil, the bonus for faith in allah. and whatever happened to yahweh and elohim? could it be that god has an identity crisis? right around that corner, i'll bet you find a process theologian.

The Tetragrammatron:

"As Jews are forbidden to say or write the Tetragrammaton in full, when reading the Torah they use the term Adonai.[5] Christians do not have any prohibitions on vocalizing the Tetragrammaton; in most Christian translations of the Bible, "LORD" is used in place of the Tetragrammaton after the Hebrew Adonai, and is written with small capitals (or in all caps) to distinguish it from other words translated "Lord"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

Also his commandments

Hey Klimmer, the Bartlett character poses some interesting questions in this clip that have been gnawing at me for decades. Could you get back to me and clue me in? Thanks!

You have not said anything about being humble through service on this earth personally.

Matthew 6:3 (KJV)
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy
left hand know what thy right hand doeth:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:3

The Bible is pretty clear that there needs be a balanced relationship between our faith and its expression in good works.

In other words, just shut up and act responsibly, like everyone else who does good things but doesn't blow Gabriel's horn for him.

SHOCK ! ! ! some are athiest and nice towards others at the same time. I'm sure you will make that out to being something they didn't think they were...

Self satisfied as#@&%e !

better than your personal laziness dictates

Someone must have been telling lies about Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested.
...
the hands of one of the gentleman were laid on K.'s throat, while the other pushed the knife deep into his heart and twisted it there, twice. As his eyesight failed, K. saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. "Like a dog!" he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.

Should I not tell these wonderful people that the road is washed out ahead and that they will drive off the cliff and perish if they don't get the message to stop and turn around?

And what is making my blood boil is the really wretched remarks that those who felt the thread was out of place here must be prudes or ugly jealous women. It REALLY pisses me off that these take-down intimidation remarks are almost exclusively aimed at women DESPITE THE FACT that women have been a very minority voice in ths entire discussion. MISOGYNY. And that, in my opinion, is what is at the heart of quite a few of the images posted in the Boobs thread, despite how loudly some proclaim they love women and celebrate the female body.

Be that as it may, it also makes me depressed because although there is clearly diversity of opinion from both men and women about how they found the images, the deletion of the thread has unleashed the most amazing torrent of misogynist bullsh#t. Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

ken m says t*r ought to have complained to chrismac first, or perhaps have gone to the police. i have a little scientific experiment for him. google "teen porn", and then dial 9-1-1.

Geeze... I go on vacation and look at this!

As you can see I have not been banned. Instead we were in Montana climbing ice, skiing, having the kid play in snow, you know... The stuff that this forum is suppose to be about.

Two... The Boob thread IS a joke. It is a distraction from the gun thread and yes I knew it would eventually get nuked because that is ST's nature. It's nothing to argue about, point fingers over, name call, etc.

Maybe we need to start a thread on Beer! No, no, NO! Dear lord I am not encouraging alcoholism or driving drunk, etc. Can a thread just be for fun, EVER?

If I post a picture of a former GF, topless while climbing,should I call a lawyer or a massage therapist ?

Two... I did not trivialize, mistreat or name call anyone. I did not post anything rude or condescending, therefore I will not take responsibility for that. If someone did, it shows their idiocy.

triv·i·al·ize
/ˈtrivēəˌlīz/
Verb
Make (something) seem less important, significant, or complex than it really is

concrete thinking
Psychiatry Cognition that reflects experience, rather than abstraction, typical of those who are unable to generalize

So I am inadequate?

Why did all those women click on a thread knowing its content would severely offend them? That is what I just can't wrap my head around. Drama! Oh, yes, boobs have never been shown on ST prior to Anastasia's thread. Time to move on from this nonsense bacause it's really not that big of a deal...

Ken???

WTF is castration having to do with boobs? I don't get the connection and... Seriously, are topless female sunbathers needing to be saved from slavery?

Oh my gosh, am I being enslaved by my husband when I'm breast feeding my child? Really???

This has no logic. None... Actually kind of funny if you think about it.
You objectify women as being without free will, as being helpless victims.

I and my kind are not helpless, we are not victims and we have free will. If we choose to use our bodies for gains, what makes it different from a male body builder, a male model? Saying women are being victimized IS sexist.

You really are being very rude. Plus by disrespecting my intelligence... Seriously, what kind of woman's rights activist are you if YOU can Treat Me, a Female like a small stupid child? Your treatment of ME again shows that you have no understanding of respecting others that you are preaching. Try it yourself... Heck, try it on me before expecting others to take your high and mighty preaching of being sensitive seriously.

How does that make it better? Claiming either I or someone else incapable of understanding. That isn't nice.

I think what we should do is BE NICE! You know, what five year olds are taught in kindergarten. Try it. Might Improve not only the forum, it will improve one's life.

You don't have to stand for this or that... How the heck did this get so twisted into some kind of political stance. Really sad... Too bad that folks like killing nice fun things this way. All that arguing for such silly stuff and to keep it up! Wow... Astounding.

America! they are just f*#king boobs

if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area

Lordy Lordy, my how the Pit has changed!

if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area

Just gotta say... I'm TOTALLY sick of you morons SPECULATING about Lolli quitting over the boob-thread and posting it as fact. You people don't know sh#t and have ZERO clue why she left so unless you can produce an email verifying it, I'd quit perpetrating that stupid rumor...

you see the women here pointing out there is a big difference between nudity and porn, soft or harsh.

What the hell? Like I said... What the hell were people posting while I was gone? If that was the case, then yeah... Underage is a BIG issue, it is criminal and the person posting should be ashamed and afraid. The big arm of the law does go far.

why not a thread devoted to Penises of adult males?



as long as the Penises are not erect, then it is not sexual