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Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Don't know what makes this guy so flawless in the eyes of so many here.

Nobody ever claimed he was flawless - that's just tired old strawman that some folks use to dumb-down the discussion.

I do say that he is a competent executive whose values are mostly aligned with my own, and by far the best available alternative for the job.



I don't have a problem with anyone posting their opinion, but I do take issue when they try to post mine.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
[...] Russia was pretty non-industrial prior to Lenin/Stalin.


Russia was very much a participant in the industrial revolution, and the conditions that arose from industrialization were a big contributor to the unrest that led to the communist revolution.

Lenin was a thug and a tyrant, but not many political scientists would call him a fascist.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Survival,, in Egypt they are really lovin that brotherhood! KNOTT! They wonder why Obama would help put them in charge. Can you imagine being them?

Ummmm, believe it or KNOTT ron, they actually VOTED them in.
I wasn't aware that Obama put them in charge by himself.
Please tell me how he did that, and what it has to do with my previous post.

I'll go get ready at the handwashing station.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
cmon man,, seriously?? Obama TOTALLY backed that new regime,, and NOW there are nothing but riots over said regime.. Google is yur friend- and its has tons of info on this i dont care to repeat..Hey it also wored well in Libya. You remember ,, dead US folk and all...
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Yeah, thanks for the non-information ron.

It also worked out well for us in Iran and Vietnam and a few other places.
I'm thinking I remember a few dead Americans in Vietnam too, could be wrong.

*sigh* I guess they can't all be our puppet forver....sorry.

You should think about getting your rabies booster bro!
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:03pm PT

In the 1920's; when he came to power in 1924 he proposed the five-year plan. from 1928-1932 the first five year plan turned russia from being agricultural to being industrial very rapidly. Stalin wanted russia to be at the same level or if possible in advance of the military, economic, factory, etc technology of all other countries.However, ending the agricultural economy led to the soviet famine in 1932. If Stalin had not industrialized the soviet union by 1941, they would have not had the weaponry ( t-34 tanks, artillery, etc ) to fight the Nazis and far more Russians would have died in world war 2, possibly all of them. In world war one russia did not have modern weaponry and they were slaughtered in battle due to the Germans having far better weapons, Stalin was angry of this.

Some would disagree about when Russia became Industrialized.
Guess this discussion could cover another thread.

Edit: Who tried to post an opinion for you DaveK? I would think people would get called out right away for that here.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
doood ive posted all that before,, many times and YOU know that.


Your fingers work just like mine, and your mouse will click on stuff just like mine. I dont care to repeat myself three or four times over. I know the memory is among the first to go,, but sheeesh!;-)


Nam= Afghanistan in many ways doesnt it? We declare the "war won" by some magic date yet NOTHING has changed there ..

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
You're right Ron, I've already won this argument many times before.

No need for new information.

I declare victory.

Again.


BWA HA HA HA hahahahahaaaa!!!!!


Consolation breasts for showing up though!
( * )( * )
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
dirt,

Someone suggested that I thought Obama was flawless.

I don't remember who it was.

You are correct that Russia did not keep pace with the Germans and other countries during the first part of the 20th century. They were industrialized, but not nearly as much as the US, England, Germany, etc. They definitely got their sh#t together during WWII though.

No doubt, Stalin was an evil dictator - only a few "useful idiots" would argue otherwise.

I've learned that there are a lot of Russians today who have a favorable opinion of Stalin, on balance. The way they see it: He won the war, and and that trumps anything else he did.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Ron, up thread you stated that the Federal deficit has INCREASED under President Obama

Link please?

Since you know this as a fact and not just because you "want" it to be true, prove it

yeah, I am calling you out, again, Ron

prove your own lying crap

state the deficit the day PRESIDENT Obama took office and state what it is NOW
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
Norton,, in this country,, it is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty...KNOTT the other way around.. And you should know by now that your opinion of me matters as about as much as hedges does.

Why do you think he now wants to abolish the debt ceiling. shyts and giggles?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
And my favorite fascist, is a dead fascist

So, Regan then.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 11, 2014 - 10:26am PT
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini...
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini e Clara Petacci.  Milano, April 1945....
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini e Clara Petacci. Milano, April 1945.

Credit: mouse from merced
Hands down.
Firing squad of partisans, not Guthrie's guitar, did this to Il Duce a...
Firing squad of partisans, not Guthrie's guitar, did this to Il Duce and his henchmen.
Credit: mouse from merced

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/benito-mussolini-executed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E06xUsfZmLQ

The "Founding Fathers," meaning the politicos and the Sons of Liberty and their ilk, may have been radicals, certainly.

But in the southern states, in Georgia and the Carolinas in particular, the Tories and the revolutionaries gave each other no quarter and raided and ruined anyone they pleased with whom they had a beef, both sides using the same excuse of patriotism.

Dirty deeds to which we pay little attention because they do not "fit in" with the popular or establishment-approved history are often ignored and even hidden, sometimes with intent.

Misinformation/disinformation is a tool of fascism, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

Speaking for myself, I won't get suckered into talking about our current involvements in world affairs--they are too complex and I am not paid to work that hard. I simply know that history always repeats, eventually.
I hope and pray it never needs to come to this sort of thing here in my homeland.

So far as I know, our trains run pretty well here, like they once did in Italy.


That is "Reagan." Ray Gun.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 11, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
Mussolini had a certain flair, but Goerhing could have easily upstaged him - or his wife - on the fashion runway.

American fascists like Cheney, by comparison, exude all the sex appeal of a Xerox machine. They leave so much on the table, style-wise.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 11, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
The digressions of this thread have been amusing. I think Mouse and Riley, among others, actually have a grasp on "fascism," at least. The near worship of the state -- central to fascism -- seems to get forgotten by many.

I'm also a bit amused by the references to American Executive Branch members. Pejoratives aside, aggrandizing the power of the Executive Branch is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for fascism, but while we're on that subject, I wish we could move the discussion of signing statements and executive orders from quantity to quality. No Constitutional scholar I know disputes the right of the POTUS to issues as many executive orders as he or she sees fit. Lots of scholars and others, however, dispute the right to issue any such order that contradicts explicit statutory provisions.

John
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Mar 12, 2014 - 01:35am PT
fas·cism [fash-iz-uhm]
noun
1.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Tito of Yugoslavia & Hussein of Iraq

Total whack jobs. The "civilized" world failed to notice that it took men like this to sit on top of the powder keg countries they ruled. Removing them was like pulling the pin on a grenade.

Men who rise to levels of power like this should never be killed or treated like common criminals. There is something metaphysical about their rise and ability to hold on to power. They should be carefully removed and sent to a remote prison island like Napoleon was. That way, if all hell breaks loose, you could put them back. At least the threat of putting them back could help stablize the area.


Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 12, 2014 - 01:41am PT
Tito was a veritable Mother Teresa compared to Saddam.
overwatch

climber
Mar 12, 2014 - 03:24am PT
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