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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 14, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
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GC treads harshly but there are a few grains of truth to his blasphemy, and I for one am guilty.
Like I said somewhere back at the start of this thread, there are lessons to be learned, a teachable moment.
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John M
climber
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Jan 14, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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The difference is.. they might actually suck. We know John and Anastasia don't suck. We don't know if these people do.
It appears to me that both made mistakes. Lots of us have driven when exhausted. Thankfully few of us have paid as heavy a price. I would wager that fewer of us would have made the same mistakes these folks appear to have. I say appear to because I also am not willing to immediately jump to their crucifixion.
I'm also believe that if that list that was made for the police of their stolen items and their value had not been posted on the
world wide web, then more people would be more forgiving of these peoples mistakes.
Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes. I know this much. I am much more likely to pull over now and get a few hours shuteye when driving and I get tired. But then I am also older.. :-)
Edit:
GC treads harshly but there are a few grains of truth to his blasphemy, and I for one am guilty.
Agreed.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 14, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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I've made lots of bad mistakes myself, I've just been lucky that they have not had serious consequences.
I am much better about driving when sleep deprived because of what happened to John and several others who posted about it. Years ago, that could have been me.
If I am in a similar situation to what happened in Peru and and it has a better ending, it will be because I learned from their experience.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Jan 14, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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This tread is dead.
TY
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John M
climber
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Jan 14, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
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I traveled to an area and did the best I could to positively interact with the locals. Being as respectful as I could and attempting to mind all of their local customs.
I still got a beat down.
My mistake?
I showed up.
what culture?
Southern california surf.
:-)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 14, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
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GC, your case would be laugh at in any court or jury of peers.
You're just trying to stir the pot, and using peoples' close friends and people who have suffered direct experience with the tragedy and said events.
Joining in your debate would lower the persons involved to the same level of stupidity.
I'm sure you're a smart man, or women, I have no idea... but your rant is borderline vindictive and ur clearly bored, when many times your perspective is spot on and can be quite clever and entertaining.
No, I am serious. If you think what I'm saying is stupid, maybe you can explain that to me.
I think that we judge other people's actions, we should give strangers the same consideration we give to close friends and family. If you'd give a close friend of your's a "free pass" for something, then don't be so judgmental when a stranger does the same thing.
As it is, two of the people most vocally calling out the Wolfroms for making mistakes in their confrontations with the villagers/authorities each have a history that includes a violent confrontation with uniformed police after they mishandled their confrontation with authorities. To them I have to say, if you can't properly handle confrontation with a uniformed cop in the U.S., maybe you wouldn't handle a confrontation with shadowy non-uniformed "authorities" or a large angry mob any better then the Wolfroms did.
I think that many of the posts in this thread are not just borderline vindictive, they are over-the-top vindictive, and I'm calling bullshit on that.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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I would like to reiterate that I have absolutely no connection to the Wolframs, lime-green nano puffs, or the cookie monster.
Yes, this is my first post, and it is looking that it may hit 1000. As my grandfather used to say: even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 14, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
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IF .....
Their story is completely true.
As >>> (No one here seems to know any absolute truth to this beyond any shadow of doubt)
Why would they even want to help the very same people who had just tried to kill them?
:-)
And yes this thread is stupid, and I'm stupid for even posting in it .......
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 14, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
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How can you be stupid? Are you even American?
And one thing seems glaringly obvious in this whole conversation;
Coz needs to do a TR about this Mexico City strip club, no "ifs", "ands", or "butts".
edit: nice post-reposting Werner. Truck empire ain't no fluke!
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Jan 14, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. We've ALL seen this before...stupid upper middle class white kid goes into the wrong'hood to score and gets his dad's Audi jacked and his ass kicked...but he gets lucky and lives, but of course omits the bit about the drug deal. He was robbed for no damn reason by mean black men...or Mexicans. I strongly suspect that this never happened at all, that it's merely a twist on the Nigerian scam..."this is your brother Bob, and I need money to get home from London". If it DID happen, it was a drug deal gone sideways...sharing a beer with the locals..."hey can we score some....." and there you go. Their story doesn't pass my sniff test.
On a more serious note...on Christmas Eve some idiot pulled out in front of me at an intersection and I t-boned him, totaling my vehicle. Now, I know how you all love dogs, and it would be a shame, if not borderline in humane for my girlfriends idiot Maltese to ride to the beach in Pacifica in the back of an old truck. So, I urge you to visit www.pleasebuyBlackiesowneranewAudiAllroad.com. I assure you, it's just as valid a cause as the Peruvian scammers, except that I really will buy a new Allroad if enough of you are gullible enough to send me $60K.
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pvalchev
Social climber
Mountain View, CA / Calgary, AB
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Jan 27, 2013 - 03:20am PT
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I heard they were on the today show and just found it (3-4min):
hulu link
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Jan 27, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
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Riley
Youre one screwed up person
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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Cuvvy, I disagree. Rily Wyna has gone over the top a lot on this thread, but generally he is sound.
WTF would you know anyway, unless you are a lurker. You have only been posting here since November. Give the guy a break. He is in a high-pressured job, helping to save people, and he has seen through Armstrong's lies, slander, suits, of hurting people.
So he has been way OTT on this thread. Over the years on most threads he comes across as very sensible. But being a noobie, you probably did not know that. No offense.
Best wishes and safe climbing
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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Patrick speaks the truth. I don't agree with Riley on this thread, but he is generally sound, just not on this thread. I emailed him saying that one of us was wrong and would have to eat crow. LOL.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jan 29, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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Those photos are great. They all look pretty shaken up after that serious car accident!
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Jan 29, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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I know, last time I got high centered in a ditch my car was totaled and I barely escaped with my life! What's weirder is that my window fractured in exactly such a way that it looked like it had been hit by blunt objects.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 29, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
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I guess one should beware of ditches?
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Jan 29, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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Glad you escaped with your life Pat. Is your paypal account still active?
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