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geo_nutt
Trad climber
the big bang
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So while I can't speak for nobody but myself all I can say is that I am and have strongly been in the oil biz for a while, because of it I am a "1%'er". That said I consider myself strongly left leaning, I don't own a car, I take public transport, I ride my bike, I walk and most importantly I give back to my community by donating my time and money to causes that have meaning to me.
Yes I am analogist to a dealer but I exist only because you the greedy US consumer exist and my bank account thanks you!
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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More drilling in the artic and new pipelines. Not one good thing in there that is good for that pristine environment. Better solution would be to double or triple the insulation in every house and smaller cars and send the oil subsidies to companies working on sustainable energy sources. Conservation is the answer with no to very little risk. The artic drilling is a gold rush and gold rushes are always environmental disasters.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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double the price of gas, and spend all the extra revenue giving everyone in the US a free new bicycle. Oh, and make the streets bike friendly. Now pass me that pipe....
(by the way, is that youtube scene from Goodwill Hunting (way up-thread) really from the movie? I don't remember it. But fun....)
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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"centralized economy" would simply make private cars illegal. This is using good old conservative market forces to change behavior. I hate bike haters and naysayers. lol
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Base,I can only be as specific as this http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/
Now if we added up even the low end ,minus say 25%,over say 30 years,with inflation, devaluation, figured.
So,overblown,aye? Obama gets slammed for his commitment to green subsides which add up to what? Hardly anything comparatively.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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You are right farmers get paid not to grow crops,but around here they are growing a certain corn,and property values are exploding because of it.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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doesn't seem to be leaking oil, so probably still has water tight integrity
standard salvage practice is to inspect the hull interior, let the storm swell subside, pump out the fuel either to shore or a barge, tow it off at the next high tide
if USCG is convinced of the tanks integrity and on-board emergency pump capacity, they may not require pumping out the fuel first
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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If you say "Sitkalidak" quickly five times, it starts to sound like "psychedelic".
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Well Base, i stand corrected as apparently you are a highly educated working man rather than the government welfare program scientist i was beginning to imagine.I've been on a plane all day so was unable to answer till i got to my second home thirty miles out of Reno.
I admire hard working self made people whether they identify themselves as liberal, conservative, libertarian or whatever.The point is they are actually building, producing, or helping to create the new technologies that will make for a better future for all.These type of people are getting to be more of a minority in this day and age. There are way too many others just taking up space, consuming, and bitching about the inequities of the system that they have attached themselves to for a free ride.
I wasn't going on a religious right rant about abortion. Rather, i was agreeing with you (cynically of course) about the best thing the complainers could due for the planet is commit suicide. A self inflicted post-partum (meaning anytime after birth) abortion =suicide.
Good luck to you on your sailboat search and may the wind always fill your sails.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 4, 2013 - 10:18am PT
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The supposed problem with comparing European Rail travel with U.S. is the difference in land mass to cross and population distribution.
In GA they have a proposed high speed rail system from various regions centering on Atlanta. There is a lot of resistance; in the meantime proposals for more road widening projects and new roads keeps being approved.
I wonder why that is?
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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http://news.yahoo.com/shell-oil-drilling-under-tow-again-running-aground-142211561.html
A Shell oil-drilling ship that ran aground near a remote Alaska island is under tow again.
The Unified Command for the operation in Anchorage says the Kulluk is being towed at about 5 mph to shelter in Kodiak Island's Kiliuda Bay. Officials won't estimate its arrival because of weather conditions early Monday — winds of about 18 mph and 15-foot ocean swells.
There's a salvage crew of 10 people on board and one Royal Dutch Shell representative.
The Kulluk was refloated late Sunday from rocks. There's no sign of any oil discharge from the vessel. It was being towed to Seattle for maintenance when it ran aground in a powerful storm on New Year's Eve.
That's making really good speed for those sea conditions.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — A Shell oil-drilling ship that ran aground near a remote Alaska island was under tow again early Monday, officials said.
The Kulluk was being towed at about 5 mph to shelter in Kodiak Island's Kiliuda Bay, but officials wouldn't estimate its arrival because of weather conditions — winds of about 18 mph and 15-foot ocean swells.
There's a salvage crew of 10 people on board and one Royal Dutch Shell representative.
The Kulluk was refloated late Sunday from rocks. There's no sign of any oil discharge from the vessel.
It is carrying more than 140,000 gallons of diesel and about 12,000 gallons of lube oil and hydraulic fluid.
The drilling vessel, which has no engines of its own, was being towed to Seattle for maintenance when it ran aground in a powerful storm on New Year's Eve.
More than 730 people are involved in the response and recovery operation, according to the Unified Command, which includes the Coast Guard, Shell and contractors involved in the tow and salvage operation.
The Kulluk is a circular barge 266 feet in diameter with a funnel-shaped, reinforced steel hull that allows it to operate in ice. One of two Shell ships that drilled last year in the Arctic Ocean, it has a 160-foot derrick rising from its center and no propulsion system of its own.
The Kulluk is being towed by the Aiviq, the same vessel that lost the Kulluk Dec. 27 when a line broke. Four re-attached lines between the Aiviq or other vessels also broke in stormy weather and went aground.
Shell reported superficial damage above the deck and seawater within that entered through open hatches. Water has knocked out regular and emergency generators, but portable generators were put on board late last week.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2016 - 07:04am PT
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Drilling in Parts of the Atlantic and the Arctic
Thanks to the wording of the law that Obama is using to create ban, it may never be lifted.“The president of the United States may, from time to time, withdraw from disposition any of the un-leased lands of the Outer Continental Shelf.”
From reading this thread this morning, I see I that I broke my self-imposed rule of not to debate with those who disagree with my ideas. However, when my point is not clear or being misinterpreted, I think I have to clarify.
One person in particular, whose occupation cannot help to create bias, makes statements that are unfounded since he he knows nothing of me, i.e., my absolute disdain for drilling or exploration in this pristine and delicate ecosysytem. I use as little fossil fuel as our society allows. If possible I would make changes to my lifestyle to reduce my present consumption.
Pictures below, although other than the first were taken in Western Vancouver, show what can happen, despite every effort to prevent accidents.
Accidents will happen, at least Elvis Costello says so, but these kind are not worth the risk.
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