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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 29, 2012 - 03:52am PT
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GDavis. This is not my fight, and I would also rather it was solved via good communication between the 2 parties as well. But to tell a guy he is wrong for standing up for what he is owed is wrong in my book. Granted there may well be circumstances that we are unaware of.
Cheers
Prod.
Prod, the issue that sticks out at me, is that AFTER posting on another forum, and AFTER getting a response from a person that will intervene when the office opens after the holiday vacation on his behalf, he THEN sets up THIS thread.
I mean, he has already gotten a promise to look into it, what does he expect to have happen in response to this thread?
That is not standing up for yourself, that is kicking the guy in the teeth who has offered to help you.
I'm not sure how that enhances one's standing. It doesn't with me.
Now if he posted if nothing happened as a result....ok.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Dec 29, 2012 - 03:56am PT
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Yay alpinist! The photos are ridiculous!!!! Good work Katie!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:06am PT
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Prod, the issue that sticks out at me, is that AFTER posting on another forum, and AFTER getting a response from a person that will intervene when the office opens after the holiday vacation on his behalf, he THEN sets up THIS thread.
I mean, he has already gotten a promise to look into it, what does he expect to have happen in response to this thread?
That is not standing up for yourself, that is kicking the guy in the teeth who has offered to help you.
I'm not sure how that enhances one's standing. It doesn't with me.
Now if he posted if nothing happened as a result....ok.
I understand your point, but a response from a x-editor and part time employee saying I'll look into it would not make me feel very warm fuzzy. I also look at this as a bit of a public service to other potential contributors.
Not that I'd have a piece to put in, but from this thread I know for sure I'd try to get my stuff in Alpinist over Climbing any day of the week.
The fact that no one from Climbing came in and did what Katie did, is a little surprising to me as well? Katie didn't say I'll look into it, she offered results. Classy.
Prod.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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As a professional photographer who has been stiffed many times and had images used without permission.. I can completly relate to the frustration. Not a good idea however to go public when you are still in contact with the editor..
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 29, 2012 - 10:58am PT
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I have had some luck in the past by re billing and tacking on a $35.00 late fee for ammount past due. Invoice every month and keep adding up the late fees and they usually pay. you never get the late fee but it gets their attention.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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DMT Wrote:
Ken M why do you fault the victim?
Same question here. He didn't get paid and got the run around for 5 months. Now, all a lot of posters on this site seem more than willing to give Climbing a free pass for their incredibly unprofessional behavior while faulting Slabbo for... not being nicer? Seriously, I don't understand how some of you people think.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:11am PT
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5 months is enough to piss you off pretty good.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:35am PT
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As a professional photographer who has been stiffed many times and had images used without permission
Do you put a watermark on your pics?
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Charlie B
Social climber
Santa Rosa, Ca
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:40am PT
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The North Face took a photo of mine and stayed in contact for a bit then just stopped writing back.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 29, 2012 - 11:54am PT
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10b Duh.. click on my profile and check my photos. I had a lady @ a horse show try to sell me a book a few years ago and one of my shots was on the front cover with no credit. I looked through the book and the same shot was in the book as a chapter headline with my (C) on it. they actually photoshopped my (C) out of the shot on the front cover...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 29, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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Not that I'd have a piece to put in, but from this thread I know for sure I'd try to get my stuff in Alpinist over Climbing any day of the week.
The fact that no one from Climbing came in and did what Katie did, is a little surprising to me as well? Katie didn't say I'll look into it, she offered results. Classy.
Prod.
Prod, you seem to be a little stupid, today (not that today is different).
Someone from Climbing came in BEFORE this thread happened, but didn't make stuff happen as fast as Katie.
So let me give you a hypothetical. You work for a company. You see a complaint. You contact the person with a promise to help clear it up, in a time frame. The person thanks you for your help. They then proceed to trash your company on a new thread short of the timeframe agreed to.
Tell me how hard you are going to work to help that person?
Tell me how hard you are going to work to help them get further work?
Tell me how hard another similar company is going to be to enter into a relationship with that person?
Tell me what that person's word is worth?
"what goes around, comes around"
I think that first thread on the other site was fine. I think the second thread on this site, after accepting an offer of help, was an insult to the person who offered help, who was never responsible for the problem, and offered help in good faith. Instead, the intention was to cause harm to the magazine, which apparently the poster has accomplished.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 29, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
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Prod, you seem to be a little stupid, today (not that today is different).
Someone from Climbing came in BEFORE this thread happened, but didn't make stuff happen as fast as Katie.
So let me give you a hypothetical. You work for a company. You see a complaint. You contact the person with a promise to help clear it up, in a time frame. The person thanks you for your help. They then proceed to trash your company on a new thread short of the timeframe agreed to.
Tell me how hard you are going to work to help that person?
Tell me how hard you are going to work to help them get further work?
Tell me how hard another similar company is going to be to enter into a relationship with that person?
Tell me what that person's word is worth?
"what goes around, comes around"
I think that first thread on the other site was fine. I think the second thread on this site, after accepting an offer of help, was an insult to the person who offered help, who was never responsible for the problem, and offered help in good faith. Instead, the intention was to cause harm to the magazine, which apparently the poster has accomplished.
Ken,
I can assure you that I am not stupid.
Prod.
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