Does the NRA have a stupid pill problem?

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jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:40pm PT
Joe, I think you are going to far to seriously suggest that we should make the present ownership of certain slaves "illegal"

by doing something like that, the assumption would then be that people owning slaves would be first asked to free them voluntarily

and if they did not then what, Joe?

no way is our Federal government going to enter people's homes and forcibly take their slaves

not a realistic proposal Joe, all hell would break loose in this country


Yes you're right - law-abiding slave owners must not have their rights infringed

35 gun deaths in the UK, 12000 in the US

Not really sure how much more proof people need that private ownership needs to be outlawed





Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
personally, I just hate the idea of a black Democrat in the White House too




Actually, though I voted Libertarian, I was proud of my country for electing an African American Pres.


That is really beneath you Norton.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
it's clear that reasonable regulation of weapons would be constitutionally permitted.

I'm all in on that. Of course the real question is "What is reasonable?"

I would add to that, in the case of disasters like the Connecticut murders, what can be done which is legal and will work? The more news we get the more it is evident that the killer was planning his rampage for a long time, so the idea that he just suddenly snapped is going down.

Even the gun banners admit that it will take a long time for their plans to bear fruit. How about looking at long term ways to either avoid helping kids become psychopaths (do some serious research on games and drugs,) or to identify them by their behavior before they commit an atrocity.

I'm all for reasonable gun regulation, but what I see going on now is a bunch of people who have been anti gun for a long time pile onto this recent mass murder as a venue to press their agenda. The result is a bunch of proposals which arguably will not stop the next psychopathic mass killer. Or one 20 years from now, and which will certainly not affect a street criminal who gets his gun under the table.

Let's focus on the individuals who commit the crimes and atrocities. If we can make progress in this area we will with certainty reduce the killings. If we cannot, the killers will find a way to create their mayhem.

jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
"I'm all in on that. Of course the real question is "What is reasonable?""

Exactly as the constitution says, as part of a well-regulared militia

Which we already have.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
Okay Hedge, it's too far back upthread to deal with, but I went through that phrase for you. Your reply was to criticize me for not quoting the whole thing, although the words are common knowledge. Your reply was weak.

I'm done with this. Get to work trying to repeal the 2nd, see how that goes. You'll have more fun than trying to find solutions which actually address the problem and work.
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
"How about looking at long term ways to either avoid helping kids become psychopaths (do some serious research on games and drugs,) or to identify them by their behavior before they commit an atrocity."

Hilarious

How many times have you voted for exactly the opposite? To cut funding for gov't funded health care? To label it as socialist?

Now it's the answer?

Since you've now adopted our position about socialized health care, why shouldn't we believe you'll change your mind about guns too?
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
"I'm done with this. Get to work trying to repeal the 2nd, see how that goes."

No need, as both Anders and I have already said.

The Supreme Court merely needs to institute the "well-regulared militia" language into gun law enforcement.

Which will happen - remember, it's a social issue. Who always wins those?


"Your reply was to criticize me for not quoting the whole thing..."

You see nothing wrong with ignoring the parts of the constitution you disagree with, apparently, and judge those who call you on it as making "weak replies".

Which is all you can really do, i guess

Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Dec 28, 2012 - 05:57pm PT

Americans are too stupid to own guns like Canadians.
We need to own them like the British.

AR-15 owners should be criminals, yes. After an opportunity not to be, of course.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
Not beneath me at all

Ideological ignorance goes hand in hand with being racist
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
Veritas!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
Unhinged's dream world

They truly are determined to control people to the point where they can't (their theory goes) do anything bad, ever, simply because their freedoms and permitted choices are so limited.

This logic ultimately runs to this: Since no human being needs to do anything besides work and eat, we might as well mandate that people take a powerful narcotic sleeping pill immediately after their evening meal, so they simply slumber until the next work shift.

That way, you're pretty sure no one can really do much of anything at all in their non-working hours. And then at last we will have Paradise on Earth.



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
yeah sure. You spit out the term like it is some kind of poison. So its politics. What you seem to be suggesting is that no polotics is worthy of any support or respect. Fair enough thats sure how it seems but how else do you propose to advance your civilization?

Yup its politics alright. As fuked up as it seems politics has brought you a slightly more equitable and healthy health care system. Dodd Frank is hardly a barnburner but its at least better than the wild west show you had before. The EPA has managed to impose much needed emission and fuel efficiency standards. Sure you guys are ten years and a dollar short on meaningful global warming mitigation but its a damn sight better than nothing or going backwards.

All this is politics. The whole world works on politics in case you hadn't noticed. The resulting policy is a bit all over but in general it reflects the changing morals of the nation and even the world. Look at the outrage in India right now about a couple of gang rapes which wouldn't have registered anywhere a decade ago. Arab spring? Ditto. Ten years of a determined steer to the right in Canada is about to get an ass kicking because no matter how smart they claim to be, they are nothing but a bunch of Sarah Palins in the end that even the apathetic can recognize.

Yup, even your little backwater is changing, like it or not. Climate change legislation is coming. Gun control too. Why? Because its finally on the radar. The NRA and most Republicans are laughing stocks. Their most credible spokesman is Ted Nugent for christ sake. As usual if you guys could ever possess the humility to look beyond your borders for guidance you'd see that all the scary trial and error has been done for you.

But no sense in trying to convince the dinosaurs. Their kids arn't quite so stupid despite all attempts at indoctrination. Ron maybe there was no one at the range today because your generation is going the way of the dodo and the younger set did the drive down to LA to trade thier bazookas for food stamps!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
Bruce, in Utah ALL the kids shoot!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:17pm PT
I'm sure they do Ron. Utah is a fukin wierd place..... meanwhile the world around you is changing !
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:22pm PT
No Bruce

you don't get it

IT'S ALL ABOUT ME!

where I live, what newspaper I read, what guns I own

IT'S ALL ABOUT ME
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:32pm PT
"Bruce, in Utah ALL the kids shoot!"

Hahahahaha

Keep hearing people on this thread blaming psychoactive drugs for gun deaths

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/feb/20/news/mn-28924

Now it makes sense

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
(Reuters) – Kasey Hansen, a special educationteacher from Salt Lake City, Utah, says she would take a bullet for any of her students, but if faced with a gunman threatening her class, she would rather be able to shoot back.

On Thursday, she was one of 200 Utah teachers who flocked to an indoor sports arena for free instruction in the handling of firearms by gun activists who say armed educators might have a chance at thwarting deadly shooting rampages in their schools.

The event was organized by the Utah Shooting Sports Council in response to the mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, this month that killed 20 children and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

The council said it has typically attracted about 16 teachers each year to its concealed carry training courses. But Thursday’s event near Salt Lake City, organized especially for educators in the aftermath of Newtown, drew interest from hundreds, and the class was capped at 200 for space limitations.

“I feel like I would take a bullet for any student in the school district,” Hansen, a special education teacher in a Salt Lake City school district, told Reuters after the training session.

“If we should ever face a shooter like the one in Connecticut, I’m fully prepared to respond with my firearm,” she said, adding that she planned to buy a weapon soon and take it to work.









PHOENIX — Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Thursday that he plans to deploy his armed volunteer posse to protect Valley schools from the kind of violence that happened in the Connecticut shooting tragedy. Arpaio believes having armed law officers around schools will deter would-be criminals from trying anything violent and, possibly, stop them if they do.

“I have the authority to mobilize private citizens and fight crime in this county,” Arpaio said.

Arpaio first started using his posse to protect malls during the holiday shopping season in 1993 in response to violent incidents in prior years. Since then he said malls where his posse members are on patrol have had zero violent re-occurrences and patrols by his all-volunteer squad during the 2012 shopping season netted a record 31 arrests.

Arpaio said since the program has worked so well in malls he believes it will work just as well protecting schools.

“We’re not talking about placing the posse in the schools right now but in the outlying — the perimeters of the school — to detect any criminal activity.”



A new Gallup poll shows that the National Rifle Association, the target of a wave of intensely negative news coverage after the Newtown, Connecticut school shootings, still has a favorable rating of 54 percent. While down from the organization’s 60 percent favorable rating in 2005, that is still about a point higher than President Obama’s personal favorable rating.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
Thank God the "stupid pill" isn't singular. The NRA can keep their's and the posters on this thread can keep their's. What are you guy's trying to do....change each others mind- now that's just plain stupid! Give it a rest.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
So what is the point you are trying to make about UTAH, Ron?

Utah's per 100K population rate of handgun deaths is 10.2

The national average is 10

So, in spite of having quite "liberal" gun laws in Utah, there is NO statistical reduction or argument to be made for "more guns and kids knowing how to shoot equals less deaths'

Nope, no relevance
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