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Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:51pm PT
you just made a better argument for banning gun sales than most of the reasons you pretend won't work

Wrong again. The only sales you can effectively ban are transactions you can track - actually be aware of. There will always be a flourishing black market and a ban on legal, registered sales with background checks and waiting periods will fan the flames of this market.

Bad guys who want guns will have them. You propose, with a straight face, that taking away guns from people who obey the laws will somehow change that?

Not a word from you though about violent fantasy entertainment and psych drugs, a common thread in these mass killings.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
I still don't get what our CIA killing bad fukers with drones in Afghanistan has to do with this

someone?
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
"There will always be a flourishing black market and a ban on legal, registered sales with background checks and waiting periods will fan the flames of this market."

Why isn't it happening in the UK? Reality proves you wrong - quite the trend among gun nuts these days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom


"Bad guys who want guns will have them. You propose, with a straight face, that taking away guns from people who obey the laws will somehow change that?"

Lanza's mother obeyed the law.

You haven't really thought this stuff through very well, have you?





Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
WHO is talking about "taking away" guns from people who legally own them?
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
No one
It's just typical slippery slope right wing paranoia
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
that's what I thought too


down the slippery slope we go

as soon as anyone mentions the possibility of some vague kind of legislation to mitigate mass slaughter in some small way, out jumps the "they are gonna take all my guns away tomorrow" fear crapola
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
norton,we just need a few more rons on here.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
Obama hasn't killed even more kids with drones

Two wrongs don't make a right, but it seems a poor analogy in any case. Obama's/the government's intention is only to kill people identified as directly involved in attacks on the US, based on as good intelligence as they can get, and to minimize collateral deaths. Those attacked are well aware of the risks those with them face, and could take appropriate action if they wished.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
Obama hasn't killed even more kids with drones

Two wrongs don't make a right, but it seems a poor analogy in any case. Obama's/the government's intention is only to kill people identified as directly involved in attacks on the US, based on as good intelligence as they can get, and to minimize collateral deaths. Those attacked are well aware of the risks those with them face, and could take appropriate action if they wished.

damn straight said
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:19pm PT
"WHO is talking about "taking away" guns from people who legally own them?"

You can't, obviously

But you can change the laws to make ownership illegal

In which case, there would be no such thing as legal ownership - as there isn't in the UK

Where they have less gun deaths in a year than we have in a day

Amazing how people just choose to either ignore this, or pretend it doesn't apply
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:21pm PT
Why isn't it happening in the UK?

From The Gaurdian...

"You can get a clean [unused] 9mm automatic for 1,500, a Glock for a couple of grand and you can even make an order for a couple of MAC-10s," he said. "Or you can get a little sawn-off for 150. They're easy enough to get hold of. You'll find one in any poverty area, every estate in London, and it's even easier in Manchester, where there are areas where the police don't go."

WHO is talking about "taking away" guns from people who legally own them?

There are people on this forum who propose repealing the 2nd amendment. To your credit, Norton, you are not one of them.
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
"Why isn't it happening in the UK?"

35 gun deaths in the UK last year

Why isn't that happening in the US?

Why not ask that question, Kris?
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:31pm PT
Following your "logic", Kris, the gun death stats in the US and UK should be reversed, yes?

We have hundreds of millions of guns, which should be keeping us safe, and guns are outlawed in the UK, which should be resulting in thousands of unarmed innocent citizens being shot to death.

Yet the exact opposite is what is actually occurring.

Why is that?



Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
Joe, I think you are going to far to seriously suggest that we should make the present ownership of certain weapons "illegal"

by doing something like that, the assumption would then be that people owning those weapons would be first asked to turn them in voluntarily

and if they did not then what, Joe?

no way is our Federal government going to enter people's homes and forcibly take certain weapons

not a realistic proposal Joe, all hell would break loose in this country
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
Amendments are not cast in stone, nor is the Constitution, which is why there are amendments. Not a lot of controversey here about the Third Amendment which states that...No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without consent of the owner....
Not too pertinent in 2012 is it.....perhaps the same applies to the Second Amendment.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
Two wrongs don't make a right, but it seems a poor analogy in any case. Obama's/the government's intention is only to kill people identified as directly involved in attacks on the US, based on as good intelligence as they can get, and to minimize collateral deaths. Those attacked are well aware of the risks those with them face, and could take appropriate action if they wished.

I'm astounded that you so willingly countenance this Anders.
It is the terrorist's fault the kids are dead because he should have stayed out in the open and shot it out on main street with the sheriff like a real American?

Did you read what Ron Paul wrote about moral authority?
About darker skinned children?






IT IS ONLY POLITICS!

Something horrible happens and politicians seize upon it to further their agendas without actually improving anything and likely making it worse.

And then bozos argue on the internet that Obama is the most gun friendly President in 30 years because he allowed the laws of the states that national parks are in to actually stand as law?
BFD!
He held his nose and signed the bill because it included credit card legislation he desperately wanted!


It is POLITICS!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
No, it's murder. In one case state-sanctioned, however morally flawed that may be, and in the other case without any sanction. Whether there's such a thing as justifiable homicide is something for the theologians and philosophers. I'd prefer that no children, or for that matter adults, were killed, period. And any reasonable measures that would help accomplish that - regulation of individual ownership of weapons, strict oversight of drone attacks - are just fine with me.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
oh, but don't forget that PRESIDENT Obama also signed into law carrying on Amtrak trains, so now take a shot at how he must have gotten paid off to do THAT

ever occur to you that PRESIDENT Obama is NOT what you want to believe he is?

that in fact if he sees no reasonable problem with something, he is ok with it?

no way!

so YES, he DID sign the MOST gun friendly gun legislation in over 30 years

regardless of how painful it is for you to keep your contempt for him apart from FACTS



personally, I just hate the idea of a black Democrat in the White House too
jghedge

climber
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
Joe, I think you are going to far to seriously suggest that we should make the present ownership of certain slaves "illegal"

by doing something like that, the assumption would then be that people owning slaves would be first asked to free them voluntarily

and if they did not then what, Joe?

no way is our Federal government going to enter people's homes and forcibly take their slaves

not a realistic proposal Joe, all hell would break loose in this country


Yes you're right - law-abiding slave owners must not have their rights infringed

35 gun deaths in the UK, 12000 in the US

Not really sure how much more proof people need that private ownership needs to be outlawed





Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
personally, I just hate the idea of a black Democrat in the White House too




Actually, though I voted Libertarian, I was proud of my country for electing an African American Pres.


That is really beneath you Norton.
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