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tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
I think some people are making arguments just for the sake of arguing. Pointless.



It is almost as pointless to make up rules, try them out, and see if they fix the problem.




I'm suggesting using guiding principles from current reactions in US society to come up with solutions that are as specific as the US population. If someone needs hand-holding and specific rules that will make them happy and solve all of the crime, they won't get it. Not here, and not in real life. The way these two guys are asking to be led through each argument instead of doing any critical thinking themselves is equivalent to hand-holding.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
You seem fixated on the deaths Hedge. Calculate this.

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

Adolph Hitler, 1935
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
From tooth:

I think some people are making arguments just for the sake of arguing. Pointless.

It is almost as pointless to make up rules, try them out, and see if they fix the problem.

Yep.

But that's the problem in this country. Just like there's a pill for everything, there must be a law too. With 1 in 5 on government cheese now(purchased on credit of course), the government has become parental. Daddy always has my best interests at heart after all.

This is different though in the sense a wedge is being driven on purpose. There's a lot of strange hate and anger with little focus, visible in these threads. We can't even come together as civil people and address the recent wave of mass killings. Instead we blame, we blame each other for the will of madmen. Christ there's talk of Civil War before legislation has even been passed! Combine this with certain financial distress or collapse and you have the perfect storm.

Anyway..

Everyone have a good New Year and hug your kids if you've got 'em.





monolith

climber
albany,ca
Dec 31, 2012 - 12:20am PT
Couchmaster tries again with his Hitler gun lie.

http://bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm

However, Hitler never said it, even though fabricated sources are sometimes provided.

Guns weren’t that much of a problem in the Nazi era (at least within the country...).

In fact, the Nazis liked guns, and started training kids early on in their use.

Sounds more like the NRA. You are quite gullible, Couchmaster.

http://www.natvan.com/national-vanguard/assorted/gunhitler.html
bit'er ol' guy

climber
the past
Dec 31, 2012 - 12:42am PT

GUNS ARE LAME-ASS.

THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR LIGHT WEIGHT CHICKEN SHhit SOFT WHITE HANDS.

WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS.

GET OFF ST AND GO KILL A SPARROW BAD ASSs.



SO WEAK. SO LAME.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 31, 2012 - 06:08pm PT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 31, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
GUD one TGT....

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 1, 2013 - 01:16pm PT


Subject: Have a shotgun?

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up
your shotgun.

You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun
and fire.

The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door
and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few
that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them
useless..

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities
will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men
you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both
"victims" have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day's headline says it all:
"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin
Hood-type pranksters..

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up, then the international media.

The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized
several times in the past and that you've been critical of local
police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be
prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait
for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works
against you..

Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed
one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term...

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great
British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or
felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to
those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only
handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon
by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.


Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
Hungerfordmass shooting in 1987.

Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle,
walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun
control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even
though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a
semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public
school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally
unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of
objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few
sidearms still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took
away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed
self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were
threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a
reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while
the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young
thugs who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his
collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were
given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year
prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from
private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams

If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.

You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing,
over here, if he can get it done


The UN Small Arms Treaty that Hillary is negotiating would take away
our 2nd Amendment rights.

And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go
right along with him.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 1, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
I ordered a new gun today.


I'm clearly not stable enough to be buying guns on a whim, yet it was sickeningly easy. WTF is wrong with this country?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 1, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
LOL, the UN is going to take our 2nd amendment rights. Classic rightwing nuttery.

You are pretty gullible too, Ron. Always nice to read your e-mail inbox here.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Jan 1, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
I ordered a new gun today.


I'm clearly not stable enough to be buying guns on a whim, yet it was sickeningly easy. WTF is wrong with this country?


i just sent your post to the fbi
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 1, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Yes, I am scared as hell about what President Obama is "doing" to take away my 2nd Amendment rights.


What was it again he was "doing"?


Oh yeah, now I remember,

After the mass murder 28 children and teachers, he said that we should be having a "national conversation", that we as a nation should try to "get together" and see if we can "do something" about all this.

Boy, does that kind of talk piss me off. I can just see my guns being taken away.

Only an ignorant, paranoid, and very naive person would conclude from what he said that he personally is "doing" something about my fuking 2nd Amendment "rights"
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 1, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
i just sent your post to the fbi

They won't care.

70K violations found on background checks, about half convicted felons stopped from purchasing a firearm

only 4000 deemed worthy of investigation

only 200 prosecutions.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/234173.pdf
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 1, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
The UN is not going to take away anything from American citizens,..



directly.

Instead, once they "decide" what kind of civil liberties countries can and cannot grant its own citizens in order for them to retain membership in the organization, the UN then hands the rabid anti-gun politicians a "justification" for their agenda.

Its fukking politics.














But how many gun related deaths were there in the UK?

:-(
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Jan 1, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
They won't care.

70K violations found on background checks, about half convicted felons stopped from purchasing a firearm

only 4000 deemed worthy of investigation

only 200 prosecutions.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/234173.pdf

good point, now hand over control of your healthcare to the govt because they do everything so well...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:19am PT
Ron, it is good to see that you are an advocate of breaking the law with respect to guns, as in the case of the British guy who killed the guy who was not threatening him. (ooops!)

Of course, he could have done what any rational person could have done, which was to call the police.

If he had fear, he could have bought a dog. Many people do that.

He could have had an alarm.

Pepper spray would have been very effective in this situation!

He could have blasted a horn. I've heard that burglars don't like loud noises, for some reason.

Instead of opening his door, he could have LOCKED his door.

Gosh, don't they teach cops about these things?????
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:21am PT
What is with that spammer and their phone spams?
barthenson burn in hell!

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 2, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Ken


"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. "
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 11:55am PT
the NYTimes had an interesting OpEd piece this morning by David Coles,
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/02/opinion/who-pays-for-the-right-to-bear-arms.html

I'm sure it has not real relevance in this "discussion" where people who have guns want to keep them claiming that it really is no problem for people to have an object whose sole purpose is to project a fatal strike.

But the article reminded me of a bit of history, which actually led to Gov. Regan signing in the most stringent gun laws of the nation at that time... and that was the Black Panthers arming themselves for rebellion, obviously exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights in a bid to overthrow a tyrannical government that was oppressing members of their community.



The article quips that perhaps the best way to get gun control laws passed in state legislatures is to remind people of these times... and times just after the Civil War where the Southern states passed a raft of gun control laws out of fear of the whites that the blacks would arm themselves, legally.

The article actually makes the point that there is a cost to having essentially free access to guns and that that cost is borne by the inner city poor, but that is not something that will have any sympathy from those on this forum advocating for the continued unrestricted access to lethal force.

Here is the original intent of the Founding Fathers?

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Ok,, so Fienstiens new bill proposals also mention "registration " of all grandfathered arms,,(Millions) and a return basically to the first BRady bill days.. These "registrations" are ALREADY on the books, at each end every place that sells arms. ONLY THEY keep actual serial numbers and type of arm. The FBI only asks --long gun, or handgun in the back ground checks. Now, for those guns that have been sold off privately attempting to trace those down will be a herculean effort.. So instead of just making a new law requiring DEALERS to input the serial number and model of weapon,, they will instead go THE LONG way and demand the same from MILLIONS of gun owners.
Many of those businesses have been out of business for long periods of time as well. Sp Fienstien doesnt even have a basic understanding of the gun laws as is. Not to mention that the thousands of guns entering this country illegally will never see a registration of any kind.




edit: Ed,, so by saying the Black Panthers have free access to guns , gun laws will somehow help that situation?




edit: One could also ask why the black panthers are still even around,, what with the new "belligerent" law on the books,, youd think any that showed violence towards the "man" would just go poof..
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