Does the NRA have a stupid pill problem?

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TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 21, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
Just askin.



Yeah, I want my kids going to school where they got armed guards marching patrol around the perimeter. You might as well send them to prison.



Stupid fukks, the NRA.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
Indeed....

I find it strange that neither side the the "gun issue" is willing to look into direct causation of psychotropic meds in these cases.

All just have a vague "mental health" mention. Whatever the Hell that means.

None of these recent killers were insane raging psychotics before.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:06pm PT

We all need to sit down and have a discussion of the role of the press in our society. Does it keep us safer? Or does it encourage more attacks putting more children in danger?
It is time to forget the politics of a free-press and instead think of the larger questions like the safety of our children.

We’re not talking about taking away the BullStreamMedia First Amendment rights; we’re only talking about cutting the carnage brought about by Assault Journalism.

Does the BSM really need high-capacity magazines?

Does the BSM really need 5 minute clips?

The 1st amendment guarantees the freedom of the press but that isn’t an unlimited right by any means. The 1st amendment was written back in a time of printed media that traveled at the speed of a horse.

There is no way the founding fathers could have known how media technology would evolve.

These days the BSM can operate at the speed of light, with video cameras shooting at least 30 frames a second. They could not have envisioned high-capacity magazines that can shoot out reams of lies before they need to be reloaded with the next issue.

They could not have envisioned the private sale of Media outside the control of the government, private Media that could easily set off the next lunatic on a spree of carnage.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
Don't know about the NRA but I am positive the NBA has an unlimited supply.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
I find it strange that neither side the the "gun issue" is willing to look into direct causation of psychotropic meds in these cases.

That's because there is no cause and effect. You've got your cause & effect mixed up. It's the underlying mental illness that is the cause, not the drugs used to treat people who are mentally ill.


locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:16pm PT

"None of these recent killers were insane raging psychotics before"...



Mental illness can manifest later in ones life...

Schizophrenia for one might not appear until one is in their 20's (or later)...

So your thinking is a bit FAULTY...

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/schizophrenia/when-does-schizophrenia-start-and-who-gets-it.shtml



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
It's the underlying mental illness that is the cause,



agreed.


Now, just replace "mental illness" with "culture" and we'll really be getting somewhere.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
Shiver.....with NRA pronouncements I feel the breath of evil incarnate.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
+1 donini
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
They must have gotten their Stupid Pills from Barbara Boxer.

Only Boxer's hooked on the full-strength ones! Boxer thinks the National Guard needs to be deployed to schools.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-sen-boxer-national-guard-schools-20121219,0,7530900.story





Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
Building a bomb isn't a knee jerk reaction. It would take some effort and time.

Grabbing a gun and going postal is the definition of knee jerk reaction.

How about regulating more strongly, or banning, large capacity clips for semi auto weapons?
jstan

climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
We all need to sit down and have a discussion of the role of the press in our society. Does it keep us safer?

Definitely. And yes they are keeping us safer. If the press were not there we would probably be quicker to sweep this all under the rug and to do nothing. I know this gives a problem to those who believe a closet full of bushmasters will allow them to overthrow the government or beat back a party of Seals attacking their home. But let's face it. When you balance doing nothing to prevent the slaughter of six year olds in their school, versus the pleasure of having a deluded belief

the choice is pretty simple.

And yes we hope very fervently this will not stop with outlawing civil purchase of additional combat weapons and outlawing civil ownership of large magazines.

The weapons are not even the major question that will come up. Not even. We will have to consider the tradeoffs involved in the Federal government monitoring internet searches, all internet searches, to try and discover who might be getting the information they need to prepare for a slaughter.

That will be a real question. I wish I could say I thought a complete ban on any possession of combat weapons would relieve us of the need for such monitoring. But I doubt it.

If anyone wants to become an insurgent Iraq has shown them how to do it. Suicide bombs and IED's. Combat weapons are not even the way.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 21, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
What stops a bad guy from having a gun is the correct question at this point.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
Low information voter....let's see, that might be someone who believes in creationism and doesn't think that human caused global warming is factual. Now what party do you think such a person would vote for?
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
"A totalitarian state run by the all- knowing, all- seeing , and ever -compassionate liberal intellectual elite empowered by the government -dependent masses."

Hahahahahaha... Its posts like this that are the strongest argument for controlling assault weapons.
Roadie

Trad climber
Bishop, Ca
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
While the NRA does not weigh in on non-gun issues it seems like many of its members are also staunch Tea-party supporters. I wonder who the NRA thinks is going to end up paying for all those armed, and hopefully trained, school guards.
Maybe the NRA could pick up the tab.
Just a thought.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
A totalitarian state run by the all- knowing, all- seeing , and ever -compassionate liberal intellectual elite empowered by the government -dependent masses.
They will fix everything.

The correct question here is how is someone as stupid as you to be prevented from owning a gun or even appearing in public. Time for you to crawl back into your survivalist cave.

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
Don't know about the NRA but I am positive the NBA has an unlimited supply.

Excellent, although I think the NRA's proposal is right up there, too.

Jstan, I wish I could be more sanguine on the role of the media in all this. Unfortunately, the role of the media has not changed since the inception of our Republic -- it is to sell its product. Whether it's Hearst ginning up hysteria over the Maine or the modern press making you think the murder rate is spiraling upward (rather than the truth, viz. downward), they're just trying to create enough of a sensation to get us to buy their wares.

Sad to say, the vast majority of the American public has no taste for facts, so no one reports mere facts except for a very few outlets. There's clearly a market for objective news; otherwise the Wall Street Journal would be out of business, given its rather high price with no free access. Unfortunately, that market is apparently pretty small. The New York Times might still be doing OK, but most other news organizations that report with any depth are in deep financial trouble.

If we could change that, we'd be on to something. Since I don't see that changing, we need to work with what we have. The media's going orgasmic over the possibility of using this latest tragedy to make illegal use of firearms more illegal was not one of the media's finer hours.

John
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
A totalitarian state run by the all- knowing, all- seeing , and ever -compassionate liberal intellectual elite empowered by the government -dependent masses.

BTW, which defense contractor you work for?

Just wondering how the money confiscated from my paycheck gets to you.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
"Controlling assault weapons won't stop those events from happening"

I agree, but it makes sense to try to keep guns out of delusional idiots hands. And so I support any regulation that make it more difficult/impossible to obtain those weapons.
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