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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Dec 11, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
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It's about saving a life any way one can, you weed-clouded bozo.
locker,
looks like you are once again bringing out the christian in people....how do you do that?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 11, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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WTF, Double Standards? Here on the ST Forum? Really?
Seems almost hard to believe.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 11, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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Locker, don't you have an imaginary friend?
No, not imaginary. Inflatable.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 11, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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what's imaginary is the likelihood that it is a "friend"
(I'm just posting to bump this important thread )
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 11, 2012 - 04:27pm PT
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Phuk that climbing alone crap, I'm not that interesting by myself.
But if I WAS ALONE?
Larry always double checks Larry when Larry's alone.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Dec 11, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
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Hmmm. Some pretty heated comments going up here. I do enjoy the argument, but also worry about the name calling, etc. We're all on the same team folks.
Now to the topic at hand. Seems to me I first noticed people not using the "am I on belay?" routine sometime in the mid nineties. I don't know an exact date, but I'm guessing it came with the surge in popularity that climbing had about that time. Now a days I rarely hear partners ask the "questions" that I grew up with. Questions that I call "the contract". You all know the one. "Am I on belay?, Yes, yer on belay. OK, Climbing. Climb on!" So simple. And the perfect time to do a knot check. (yep, yer knot is good so yes,yer on belay...)
Really bothersome (to me) is when I see someone who's been climbing a long time not doing this. I've been told "we've been climbing together for so long we don't need to ask". Utter BS!!!
I too have carried one too many out, and just can't understand why you would neglect such a simple task as checking yer pard, and asking to make sure of what's actually going on.
Let's play nice folks, And Check Each Other!
And, we're all gonna die!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Dec 11, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
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Too many mommies. I got it, don't you worry.
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Dec 11, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
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I never ask if I'm on belay. I ask if I'm on display. Very critical distinction.
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 11, 2012 - 07:55pm PT
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I never ask my partner to check my knot. If I can remember to ask someone else to do that, I can remember to check it myself. That said, I'm always checking my partner's belay, knots, anchors and everything else. And... every time I start to climb, belay, lower or rappel I recite, C.B.B.L.A.K. It stands for:
Check
Buckles
Belay
Landing
Anchors
Knots
...and all that those concepts and skills entail. Almost every sport out there uses the nemonic devices to remember checklists. Why don't climbers do this?
Climb safe,
Mal
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Dec 11, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
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I make it a habit to double check myself and my talking partner. If I'm lapping, I check my knot and their belay device between goes.
Check
Buckles
Belay
Landing
Anchors
Knots
You don't know boulderers.
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Gene
climber
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Dec 11, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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I haven't read the whole thread but i have a 'shut up' rule while putting on the harness and tieing in. No distractions allowed/given for me or my partner(s).
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 11, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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I don't know boulderers? Huh?
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 11, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
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ne, that's a great idea. Respect the process. I think the relative danger in a climbing situation is proportional to the number of people around. The more people are around, the greater the chance of being distracted.
If someone is tying in, let them tie in. If they're belaying, let them belay.
Climb Safe,
Mal
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