Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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locker, that is because your ethics and your friend's ethics are situational depending on who you are dealing with an if you like them.
It's not, "It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left for a month."
Instead its:
"It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left by a friend or someone I know and like. But if I don't know them or I don't like them then its not so bad."
this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.
Then why leave a rope up high? Other than just pure dickery?
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locker
Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
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^^^
EDITED:
Retracted comment...
THANKS Hawkeye!!!...
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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There's a camp 4 inner circle? Who dat?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 11:13am PT
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If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?
That is a fair question, John.
Maybe because they didn't think of that and thought that removing some trash was better then nothing.? Maybe they intended to get it all but ran out of daylight?
Maybe they saw it as abandoned but still having some use. So they saw it as both a public service in removing abandoned ropes but also getting booty?
If they thieves and saw these ropes as being really valuable property they were stealing, wouldn't they have taken everything?
Edit: If the ropes had a note left on them with contact information or the date they would be taken down, I would say they were probably stolen. Was there a note?
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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GC, are you really that obtuse?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Yo Granite, why is it so scary to say who you are and what you've climbed anyway?
Rokjox?
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locker
Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
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That's NOT Rokjox...
He's NOT a pussy...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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EDITED:
To Hawkeye:
My GUESS is that you are joining the Graniteclimber Bandwagon simply because you catch so much hell in the political threads...
But then like I said, JUST a guess...
not at all.
GC and i disagree on the politard threads....i just see him identifying sh#t that others disagree with.
if this had been some no never mind normal climber who didnt know anyone on this web site, they would have been shat on for leaving their ropes up for so long.
different people different standards.....i dont care one way or another about fixed ropes but agree that it sucks that someone took them.
but the issue that GC is calling some out on is the different people=different standards and thats BS.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 11:21am PT
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I haven't read through all of the other thread yet (parts of it I have yesterday) but I didn't see anyone presenting this idea. I'll check today and make adjustments to this post as needed.
Instead of someone deciding that they were punishing Steve because of the WOS incident (which I doubt because, forgiveness and who cares and all)
Or that the condition of the lines mattered to the person taking them.
Maybe a better way of looking at the 24+ hours is trash/abandoned line of thinking is...
What if the person was peeved at Steve because the fixed lines for a long time on Real Nose was a continuation of the issue with the fixed lines for a long time on Lost in America earlier in the spring/summer this year. I remember mark posting about them and a mention of them in the "bags being thrown off the top of el cap/ steve quoted as saying ~"local privileges" thread
They might say, Steve fixed lines forever then, he fixed lines forever now, the only way to make that stop is to get rid of them.
I don't really have a horse in this game and don't care either way, but it seemed weird that this line of thought wasn't addressed as a possibility.
This had not occurred to me? Is there a connection between this and the "Pete is a Tosser" scandal? I did not realize that Pete was even part of this until he started ripping into me and making accusations.
If there is a connection, this is really ironic, because my only contribution to the multiple threads attackign Pete was to defend him: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1935278&msg=1944038#msg1944038
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Let's pull the portrait shot of the well known Canadian locker, thanks in advance. He has nothing to do with anything that goes on here.
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locker
Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
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Hawkeye...
"not at all.
GC and i disagree on the politard threads....i just see him identifying sh#t that others disagree with."...
Fair enough!!!...
I openly RETRACT my previous comment...(EDITED: I removed it)
;-)
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WBraun
climber
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if this had been some no never mind normal climber who didnt know anyone on this web site,
That ain't true.
Potter caught hell here for his ropes on Watkins.
But some of you guys are projecting the "special" label onto Steve.
That makes you douche bags.
But it was you guys that made all these rules that were never around in the early years, not the NPS.
It was complaining climbers that always cried to the land managers and thus the land managers were forced to pacify you with all these rules now.
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locker
Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
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"Let's pull the portrait shot of the well known Canadian locker, thanks in advance. He has nothing to do with anything that goes on here"...
Agreed!!!...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Fair enough!!!...
I openly RETRACT my previous comment...(EDITED: I removed it)
;-)
no! that doesnt seem fair! :) now after whining i seem to have the spirit of this thread.
werner, i disagree. but have at it. i think it was wrong that someone stole steve's ropes. and i dont give a sh#t about them one or the other. but as a side note, how did you learn so much about gerbils?
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Burchey
Mountain climber
San Diego
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if this had been some no never mind normal climber who didnt know anyone on this web site, they would have been shat on for leaving their ropes up for so long.
Excellent point, and this goes for several things on forums.
Perfect example: The Chief, in all his wisdom, tried to call me out for daring to disagree with Wbraun, and his justification was that I didn't "know who I was talking to", like it matters how accomplished a climber is when it comes to commenting on pretty much anything.
How dare I? I should know, that because I'm not an old dog climber, my opinion and logic on every topic known is, by default, less valuable or appropriate. Climbing. Politics. Music. Etc.
Dumb.
Even better - when someone uses a low post-count as justification for disregarding your post. You know what that rings of? Small penis.
In case you think otherwise - just because you pull down huge routes in a gold-plated diaper, or because you used to ice climb with a tiny hammer and your taint, does not make everything you say or do gospel.
On t3h interwebz, you're just as lowly as the rest of us.
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locker
Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
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"no! that doesnt seem fair! :) now after whining i seem to have the spirit of this thread."...
OK then...
I'll give you some more sh!t...
LOL!!!...
;-)
EDITED:
Comments like this are what make this place worth the visiting...
ROFL!!!...
"but as a side note, how did you learn so much about gerbils? "...
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
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Perfect example: The Chief, in all his wisdom, tried to call me out for daring to disagree with Wbraun, and his justification was that I didn't "know who I was talking to", like it matters how accomplished a climber is when it comes to commenting on pretty much anything.
Unfortunately for you, Chris Mac actually will beat you out of here for that particular offense against that particular person. It's the "turd" precedent, a well known case here on the SuperTaco.
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Burchey
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Perfect example: The Chief, in all his wisdom, tried to call me out for daring to disagree with Wbraun, and his justification was that I didn't "know who I was talking to", like it matters how accomplished a climber is when it comes to commenting on pretty much anything.
Unfortunately for you, Chris Mac actually will beat you out of here for that particular offense against that particular person. It's the "turd" precedent, a well known case here on the SuperTaco.
You know what? I want to be mad about that, but I can't.
How sweet is the name "turd precedent"? I can't be mad!
In all seriousness, if that's actually true, what you say about Chris Mac (and I hope it isn't)...this just solidifies my view that the only thing dumber than an online forum, is an online forum full of moron climbers.
The only thing that gives me comfort, is I could probably break in two the majority of the little crap-talking maggots that slither around feeling tough on the Taco. It's not reality, guys. Enjoy it.
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
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The only thing that gives me comfort, is I could probably break in two the majority of the little crap-talking maggots that slither around feeling tough on the Taco. It's not reality, guys. Enjoy it.
Hey, man, what are you doing breaking the 4th wall here? Suspension of disbelief? That's it. I was thinking you were a cool guy and was even going to invite you on my awesome climbing trip to the Land of OZ. But you'd just go around embarrassing me in front of my closeted friends.
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