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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.

Then why leave a rope up high? Other than just pure dickery?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
^^^

EDITED:

Retracted comment...











THANKS Hawkeye!!!...
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
There's a camp 4 inner circle? Who dat?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?

That is a fair question, John.

Maybe because they didn't think of that and thought that removing some trash was better then nothing.? Maybe they intended to get it all but ran out of daylight?

Maybe they saw it as abandoned but still having some use. So they saw it as both a public service in removing abandoned ropes but also getting booty?

If they thieves and saw these ropes as being really valuable property they were stealing, wouldn't they have taken everything?

Edit: If the ropes had a note left on them with contact information or the date they would be taken down, I would say they were probably stolen. Was there a note?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
GC, are you really that obtuse?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
Yo Granite, why is it so scary to say who you are and what you've climbed anyway?

Rokjox?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:19pm PT

That's NOT Rokjox...

He's NOT a pussy...
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
EDITED:

To Hawkeye:

My GUESS is that you are joining the Graniteclimber Bandwagon simply because you catch so much hell in the political threads...

But then like I said, JUST a guess...

not at all.

GC and i disagree on the politard threads....i just see him identifying sh#t that others disagree with.

if this had been some no never mind normal climber who didnt know anyone on this web site, they would have been shat on for leaving their ropes up for so long.

different people different standards.....i dont care one way or another about fixed ropes but agree that it sucks that someone took them.

but the issue that GC is calling some out on is the different people=different standards and thats BS.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
I haven't read through all of the other thread yet (parts of it I have yesterday) but I didn't see anyone presenting this idea. I'll check today and make adjustments to this post as needed.

Instead of someone deciding that they were punishing Steve because of the WOS incident (which I doubt because, forgiveness and who cares and all)

Or that the condition of the lines mattered to the person taking them.

Maybe a better way of looking at the 24+ hours is trash/abandoned line of thinking is...

What if the person was peeved at Steve because the fixed lines for a long time on Real Nose was a continuation of the issue with the fixed lines for a long time on Lost in America earlier in the spring/summer this year. I remember mark posting about them and a mention of them in the "bags being thrown off the top of el cap/ steve quoted as saying ~"local privileges" thread
They might say, Steve fixed lines forever then, he fixed lines forever now, the only way to make that stop is to get rid of them.

I don't really have a horse in this game and don't care either way, but it seemed weird that this line of thought wasn't addressed as a possibility.

This had not occurred to me? Is there a connection between this and the "Pete is a Tosser" scandal? I did not realize that Pete was even part of this until he started ripping into me and making accusations.

If there is a connection, this is really ironic, because my only contribution to the multiple threads attackign Pete was to defend him: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1935278&msg=1944038#msg1944038
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
Let's pull the portrait shot of the well known Canadian locker, thanks in advance. He has nothing to do with anything that goes on here.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:23pm PT

Hawkeye...

"not at all.

GC and i disagree on the politard threads....i just see him identifying sh#t that others disagree with."
...


Fair enough!!!...

I openly RETRACT my previous comment...(EDITED: I removed it)

;-)

WBraun

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
if this had been some no never mind normal climber who didnt know anyone on this web site,

That ain't true.

Potter caught hell here for his ropes on Watkins.

But some of you guys are projecting the "special" label onto Steve.

That makes you d#@&%e bags.

But it was you guys that made all these rules that were never around in the early years, not the NPS.

It was complaining climbers that always cried to the land managers and thus the land managers were forced to pacify you with all these rules now.

locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:27pm PT


"Let's pull the portrait shot of the well known Canadian locker, thanks in advance. He has nothing to do with anything that goes on here"...

Agreed!!!...

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Fair enough!!!...

I openly RETRACT my previous comment...(EDITED: I removed it)

;-)

no! that doesnt seem fair! :) now after whining i seem to have the spirit of this thread.

werner, i disagree. but have at it. i think it was wrong that someone stole steve's ropes. and i dont give a sh#t about them one or the other. but as a side note, how did you learn so much about gerbils?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:34pm PT

"no! that doesnt seem fair! :) now after whining i seem to have the spirit of this thread."...



OK then...

I'll give you some more sh!t...

LOL!!!...

;-)





EDITED:

Comments like this are what make this place worth the visiting...

ROFL!!!...

"but as a side note, how did you learn so much about gerbils? "...



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
Perfect example: The Chief, in all his wisdom, tried to call me out for daring to disagree with Wbraun, and his justification was that I didn't "know who I was talking to", like it matters how accomplished a climber is when it comes to commenting on pretty much anything.

Unfortunately for you, Chris Mac actually will beat you out of here for that particular offense against that particular person. It's the "turd" precedent, a well known case here on the SuperTaco.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:04pm PT

The only thing that gives me comfort, is I could probably break in two the majority of the little crap-talking maggots that slither around feeling tough on the Taco. It's not reality, guys. Enjoy it.


Hey, man, what are you doing breaking the 4th wall here? Suspension of disbelief? That's it. I was thinking you were a cool guy and was even going to invite you on my awesome climbing trip to the Land of OZ. But you'd just go around embarrassing me in front of my closeted friends.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
Potter caught hell here for his ropes on Watkins.

But some of you guys are projecting the "special" label onto Steve.

That makes you d#@&%e bags.

But it was you guys that made all these rules that were never around in the early years, not the NPS.

It was complaining climbers that always cried to the land managers and thus the land managers were forced to pacify you with all these rules now.

Steve had his ropes up for 2 month vs Potter who had those fixed for several years (according to the thread). Also had a bunch of other random expired food there and a bunch of random sh#t. Cams in a crack still- rusted. NO these two have nothing in common.
Climbers complain and bitch because there should be some talk before straight up action. I think that thread on Watkins worked perfectly fine- ropes were removed within 2-3 weeks. Was it supposed to be random climbers hauling his sh#t off? F*#k no. Personally I would not take anyone's ropes down unless I KNOW they are trash. 2 month is not that big of a deal, especially not on any major route.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
because I'm not an old dog climber, my opinion and logic on every topic known is, by default, less valuable or appropriate.

all other things equal, accomplished folks known to the community get more respect especially on grey area judgment calls when it comes to climbing.

that's entirely proper. skill, experience and history matter in that context. when it comes to sar, for instance, werner's judgments carry a lot more weight than do those of some random. when it comes to el cap, steve's judgments carry more weight than do those of some random.

doesn't mean there isn't a fair bit of throne-sniffing and kissup-kickdown on this site and elsewhere in climbing, like there is in virtually every other corner of human life. but that sordid little fact doesn't change the basic notion which is that expertise and competence matter, and that we base our judgments of the judgments of others partly on our experience of their record.

so no, steve's practice isn't going to get judged exactly the way that one would the practice of joe schmoe. i think the line between steve's fixing and dp's watkins deal is really clear. steve would've been better off getting the word out verbally, rather than posting it all up online. but yeah, he's going to get cut more slack (was it one month or 6 weeks, who really cares?) than someone who hasn't made major investments in yosemite climbing.

so far as stuff outside climbing, from music to politics, i could care less. i have zero interest in ted nugent's view on politics. if he wants to say something smart about byrdlands, i'll listen. same here. i have no idea why so many folks on st spend so much of their time fighting with, say, the chief, over his views of climate science or lance armstrong.

if you want favorable attention on a climbing forum, much less respect, the best way to get it is to post some climbing content. and despite the aging star power, the bar isn't that high. grovel up some stupid little hill on the eastside-- go out and repeat some of the sh#t many of us climbed back in the seventies and eighties or earlier. take some pixs and try to say something halfway amusing about it in a tr.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
I hope to keep doing it for years so I can one day berate a less-experienced climber about their choice of car color or hairstyle. They'll have no ground to stand on, obviously.

That's a good idea. When I started out on this site a total non climber told me that I don't know sh#t about climbing because I have a low number of posts. F*#k people like that.
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