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Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
I KNOW who Graniteclimber is!!!!
locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:38pm PT

^^^

EDITED:

He does in fact KNOW me, and my climbing ethics (or lack there of)...








Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
the greenish tinge must be from the Kodachrome....
the greenish tinge must be from the Kodachrome....
Credit: Wade Icey
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Cookies or fruitcakes? LOL
locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:40pm PT


POST A PHOTO OF YOU CLIMBING PLEASE!!!...

THANKS!!!...
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
Here is a PHOTO of Graniteclimber.




































































j-tree

Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
I haven't read through all of the other thread yet (parts of it I have yesterday) but I didn't see anyone presenting this idea. I'll check today and make adjustments to this post as needed.

Instead of someone deciding that they were punishing Steve because of the WOS incident (which I doubt because, forgiveness and who cares and all)

Or that the condition of the lines mattered to the person taking them.

Maybe a better way of looking at the 24+ hours is trash/abandoned line of thinking is...

What if the person was peeved at Steve because the fixed lines for a long time on Real Nose was a continuation of the issue with the fixed lines for a long time on Lost in America earlier in the spring/summer this year. I remember mark posting about them and a mention of them in the "bags being thrown off the top of el cap/ steve quoted as saying ~"local privileges" thread
They might say, Steve fixed lines forever then, he fixed lines forever now, the only way to make that stop is to get rid of them.

I don't really have a horse in this game and don't care either way, but it seemed weird that this line of thought wasn't addressed as a possibility.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
Is that you, LEB?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
nothing secretive about all this.. Steve advertised here for partners on that on-going project. Attempting to FREE routes on THAT stone seem to me to be close to the ultimate routes no? Why shouldnt some extraordinary tactics be employed? Isnt that how ALL of the earlier climbs that pioneered the way to now were done? If we are to start baggin on those that have projects there, then you include Royal, Warren, Joe, Tom, Jim, Pat, all the way to Mark, Max etc etc etc...Nothing different really from sport crags and red tape on a hanger because its being "worked", just a BIGGER scale.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
Seems Steve manned up and moved on. Seems Graniteclimber doesn't even know where to begin acquiring the decency to admit he's acting like a total knob, much less man up.

edit: VVVVV More of acting like a patronizing, petty, vindictive dikwhole.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
The bottom line is that when I saw Steve's post, I had a strong initial opinion and I posted it.

I think that someone removed what they saw as abandoned property.

I also thought it was funny and ironic that Steve, with own history of vandalizing gear at the base of El Cap" was going into such hysterics about his old crappy ropes being removed from El Cap-- how it was a felony, providing a culprit profile modeled, he admitted, from "Law and Order", offering a cash reward for "information leading to the arrest and prosecution of said culprit", had already called the rangers, and so forth.

But I see that as being different from whether something wrong was done. If there was theft of property, it would be just as wrong if it was Steve's property or someone else's. It does not matter whether it is someone I like or someone I don't like, or a climber or a non-climber, or a good climber or a crappy climber.

Same with my opinion. If you dont' agree with it, then don't -- it should not matter if you know me personally, or know my name, or if I'm a climber or I'm not.

But locker, you, Pete and others for some reason have to know who I am before you can decide whether you agree or not with my opinion.

It's the same with the ropes. What I'm seeing is that if the ropes are left by someone in the camp 4 "inner circle" they are special and should be left there indefinitely, even for years. But if they belong to someone else that we don't know or care about it's just a trash removal problem.

So let me repeat the question in a more general way. Forget about Steve's ropes.

When are ropes left on the rock for weeks or months trash and when are they not trash?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
"But locker, you, Pete and others for some reason have to know who I am before you can decide whether you agree or not with my opinion."...

If you don't actually CLIMB...

yes, for me in particular, your opinions are WORTHLESS when they concern CLIMBING...

You've NEVER (that I know of) posted a single CLIMBING photo with YOU in it, CLIMBING...

You have ZERO proof that you are, in fact, a "CLIMBER"...(EDITED: None that I have EVER seen posted here that is)...

John M

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
I think that someone removed what they saw as abandoned property.

Since you insist on everyone answering your question, why not answer this question?


If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
locker, that is because your ethics and your friend's ethics are situational depending on who you are dealing with an if you like them.


It's not, "It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left for a month."


Instead its:

"It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left by a friend or someone I know and like. But if I don't know them or I don't like them then its not so bad."

this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.

Then why leave a rope up high? Other than just pure dickery?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
^^^

EDITED:

Retracted comment...











THANKS Hawkeye!!!...
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
There's a camp 4 inner circle? Who dat?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?

That is a fair question, John.

Maybe because they didn't think of that and thought that removing some trash was better then nothing.? Maybe they intended to get it all but ran out of daylight?

Maybe they saw it as abandoned but still having some use. So they saw it as both a public service in removing abandoned ropes but also getting booty?

If they thieves and saw these ropes as being really valuable property they were stealing, wouldn't they have taken everything?

Edit: If the ropes had a note left on them with contact information or the date they would be taken down, I would say they were probably stolen. Was there a note?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
GC, are you really that obtuse?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
Yo Granite, why is it so scary to say who you are and what you've climbed anyway?

Rokjox?
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