Steve "Shipooploi" Schneider cries "THIEF"

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Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
Graniteclimber, you are kind of lame, even for a troll.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:18pm PT

Graniteclimber does a good job of getting people all riled up...

I'd say that's pretty decent TROLLING...


klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
I think it is a big mistake to think that a champion of any sport has superior judgment over all aspects of his sport.

not only would it be a mistake, it would be dysfunctional, since even "champions" fight all the time over proper judgments within their specialties. robbins, harding, etc.

what i said was that in any given field, the judgments of folks who are accomplished and active in that field are given more weight than the judgments of randoms.

it doesn't mean their judgments are beyond question. but i have a hard time seeing this as a marginal case. given that rope fixing on el cap is currently an accepted practice, and given that even the current 24-hr limit has accepted and acceptable exceptions, the question becomes, is this within the bounds of acceptable practice?

he's a credible person, no one has suggested he was poaching or ganking a trade route. his intent to clean the ropes is substantiated by the fact that he went back to clean them in between the storms. given the circumstances as described in these threads, i can't see good grounds for describing the ropes as abandoned trash.

whoever yarded some of the ropes while leaving the upper one fixed, on the other hand, turned at least part of the fix into trash. culpability here is with whoever was either so lowball that they wanted to snake some beater static line or had a vendetta.

that said, steve has obviously had kinder and gentler experiences in Yos than I've had: i'm not surprised that a fixed rope would get gleeped during the off-season. as perry gently hinted, it seems to me part of the price of doing business.



Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
I have to think Tommy and crew on Mescalito have been using fixed lines to work their line as well. If folks think Steve shouldn't be using his, we'd have to consider whether that applies to them as well

I think the whole long term fixed line thing is unfortunate but grant that limited exceptions for exceptional projects may be acceptable. If freeing (particularly repeating) big walls becomes popular, it's unacceptable in my mind if the stone becomes strewn with fixed lines on a bunch of the Go-free routes all the time

Particularly freerider

Peace

Karl
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
I have to think Tommy and crew on Mescalito have been using fixed lines to work their line as well. If folks think Steve shouldn't be using his, we'd have to consider whether that applies to them as wel

I don't think Steve was trying to free that line. Not like it matter, his stuff should not have been taken by some random dude. Especially leaving the highest line fixed in the middle of the wall- total dick move. Someone probably has something against him. Is it time to let this thread die?
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
You should hold a contest to see who can hijack graniteclimbers threads the best. Take all of his threads/posts comments ect... and make them political....

So far Werner has the best comments about Gerbils
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
We have no proof that mr anonymous is in fact a granite climber since he has refused all requests about identity or what he has climbed or who might vouch for his alleged skill level.

So until that happens, he's a zero with zero experience and zero partners.

jstan

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
The discussion seems to be settling down. (It could have started here right off the bat.)

So is there a consensus? Suppose one with no information has observed fixed lines over a three month period. There seem to be three options.

1. No action
2. Inform Jesse of their presence
3. Remove them (all) and take them to Lost and Found

After all of this it would be good if we would get something out of it.
WBraun

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
Listen up.

The stupid gerbil sh!t eating tool Granite has always been a sh1thead here.

Not that care.

What drew the line for me is when he purposely disrupted a recent thread and cause Mchale to delete all his posts.

The dumb fuk Anders was riding the gerbil eating tools coat tails also to disrupt.

I then deleted all mine in that thread too as my own protest against this stupid sh!t.

Not that it even matters nor anyone cares, I just did that for me.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
graniteclimber has been posting (and contributing) here for more than six years, often on climbing threads. Overall it's pretty clear that he is a climber, although I've never met him/her, and don't know who she/he is. In any event, if he was (perish the thought!) a non-climber posting on a climbers' forum, isn't it a little late to be making an issue of it?

As climbers don't own El Capitan or Yosemite, graniteclimber is as free as any member of the public to express his views on the use and users of those places. His views may be better informed, the more of a climber that he is - at least with regard to purely climbing matters. But even if he's a non-climber who's never been to Yosemite, perhaps he has something to contribute.

That said, if GC has personal issues with regard to SS, we probably don't need to hear about them.

Enough of the dog-pile routine already.

As for conspiracy theory threads - at least one of which the administrators recently deleted, which says something - if you don't post them, I won't satirize them, or help others to do so.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
Too Funny Werner. High-larious

I had a gerbil once as a kid. My brother accidentally pulled its tail off.
What is a gerbil exactly? A modified rat?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
it always amazes me that tough, individualistic climbers can get their panties in a bunch so easily....try a larger size of underwear already.
WBraun

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool ....
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Just when I was wondering what passes for intellectual discourse at Bootjack Middle School, this thread comes along.


survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Overall it's pretty clear that he is a climber,

Mighty, by reading his posts, I fully agree with you.

But I know who you are and what your background are, so I have a great deal of respect for you and what you have to say about all things climbing.

On the other hand I have a long time stoner friend who was one of the world's great climbing groupies, and an intellectual to boot. He could talk circles around most climbers but basically couldn't climb his way out of a paper bag, most especially if it included any leading, period.

Therefore, I took anything and every high minded sounding thing he had to say about badass climbing with MANY grains of salt.

So....granite holds little water with his shpoopi hate, just sayin'....
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
So is there a consensus? Suppose one with no information has observed fixed lines over a three month period. There seem to be three options.

1. No action
2. Inform Jesse of their presence
3. Remove them (all) and take them to Lost and Found

if it's el cap, option 1: do nothing. el cap is pretty public. it's a small place. if ropes have been there for 3 mos, jesse will already know about them.

obvious exceptions for attractive hazards like a fix with a bad anchor. or something that's ganking some other route. barring some shift in the consensus to the point that all fixing is eliminated, i can't see any support for someone jugging up and yanking tommy's ropes off the dawn project.

that said, it's pretty easy to project a bit into the future and see that there are going to be management issues involving fixing. some of those will overlap with other touchy questions, like the cables on half dome.

i like karl's suggestion that we fix free rider for minitraxing. i could drive out on weekends and tr the damn thing.

(heh-- sorry karl)


The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Credit: The Larry
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!
You're a stupid brown nose tool ....

The high level of witty repartee and intellectual debate is why I love Supertopo so much.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
Kinda hafta agree with the heavy handed Braun on this one. Two guys who've called for heads in the recent past, not surprising they would experience a little backlash.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool ....

perhaps anders nose is mis-directed?
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