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Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
Potter caught hell here for his ropes on Watkins.

But some of you guys are projecting the "special" label onto Steve.

That makes you douche bags.

But it was you guys that made all these rules that were never around in the early years, not the NPS.

It was complaining climbers that always cried to the land managers and thus the land managers were forced to pacify you with all these rules now.

Steve had his ropes up for 2 month vs Potter who had those fixed for several years (according to the thread). Also had a bunch of other random expired food there and a bunch of random sh#t. Cams in a crack still- rusted. NO these two have nothing in common.
Climbers complain and bitch because there should be some talk before straight up action. I think that thread on Watkins worked perfectly fine- ropes were removed within 2-3 weeks. Was it supposed to be random climbers hauling his sh#t off? F*#k no. Personally I would not take anyone's ropes down unless I KNOW they are trash. 2 month is not that big of a deal, especially not on any major route.
Burchey

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
Hey, man, what are you doing breaking the 4th wall here? Suspension of disbelief? That's it. I was thinking you were a cool guy and was even going to invite you on my awesome climbing trip to the Land of OZ. But you'd just go around embarrassing me in front of my closeted friends.

I can't help it. That's why the sistas love me - I keepz it real.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
because I'm not an old dog climber, my opinion and logic on every topic known is, by default, less valuable or appropriate.

all other things equal, accomplished folks known to the community get more respect especially on grey area judgment calls when it comes to climbing.

that's entirely proper. skill, experience and history matter in that context. when it comes to sar, for instance, werner's judgments carry a lot more weight than do those of some random. when it comes to el cap, steve's judgments carry more weight than do those of some random.

doesn't mean there isn't a fair bit of throne-sniffing and kissup-kickdown on this site and elsewhere in climbing, like there is in virtually every other corner of human life. but that sordid little fact doesn't change the basic notion which is that expertise and competence matter, and that we base our judgments of the judgments of others partly on our experience of their record.

so no, steve's practice isn't going to get judged exactly the way that one would the practice of joe schmoe. i think the line between steve's fixing and dp's watkins deal is really clear. steve would've been better off getting the word out verbally, rather than posting it all up online. but yeah, he's going to get cut more slack (was it one month or 6 weeks, who really cares?) than someone who hasn't made major investments in yosemite climbing.

so far as stuff outside climbing, from music to politics, i could care less. i have zero interest in ted nugent's view on politics. if he wants to say something smart about byrdlands, i'll listen. same here. i have no idea why so many folks on st spend so much of their time fighting with, say, the chief, over his views of climate science or lance armstrong.

if you want favorable attention on a climbing forum, much less respect, the best way to get it is to post some climbing content. and despite the aging star power, the bar isn't that high. grovel up some stupid little hill on the eastside-- go out and repeat some of the sh#t many of us climbed back in the seventies and eighties or earlier. take some pixs and try to say something halfway amusing about it in a tr.
Burchey

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
all other things equal, accomplished folks known to the community get more respect especially on grey area judgment calls when it comes to climbing.

that's entirely proper. skill, experience and history matter in that context. when it comes to sar, for instance, werner's judgments carry a lot more weight than do those of some random. when it comes to el cap, steve's judgments carry more weight than do those of some random....



if you want favorable attention on a climbing forum, much less respect, the best way to get it is to post some climbing content. and despite the aging star power, the bar isn't that high. grovel up some stupid little hill on the eastside-- go out and repeat some of the sh#t many of us climbed back in the seventies and eighties or earlier. take some pixs and try to say something halfway amusing about it in a tr.

I should have qualified my statement - with respect to things climbing related, I happily welcome the advice and knowledge of the experienced. My grief is if a seasoned climber... would say, think he knows whether or not I should give two shits about Lance Armstrong, for example. He doesn't. Nor does he understand the intricacies of weather science any more than I do because he freed the Nose using only his teeth. If he's got a meteorology degree, then he can speak on it more than I could. That's the type of nonsense I'm really referring to. It might work on others, but in the words of the ever-eloquent Homey the Clown - Homey don't play that.

As far as the climb something/post something theory - I've ridden that train plenty, but I've stopped putting up TRs as they tend to get deleted when my user account is inevitably banned. Why waste my time? For the brief amount of time I've been doing this, I've done plenty.

I hope to keep doing it for years so I can one day berate a less-experienced climber about their choice of car color or hairstyle. They'll have no ground to stand on, obviously.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
I hope to keep doing it for years so I can one day berate a less-experienced climber about their choice of car color or hairstyle. They'll have no ground to stand on, obviously.

That's a good idea. When I started out on this site a total non climber told me that I don't know sh#t about climbing because I have a low number of posts. F*#k people like that.
Burchey

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
That's a good idea. When I started out on this site a total non climber told me that I don't know sh#t about climbing because I have a low number of posts. F*#k people like that.

You write as if you know anything about climbing at the moment.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
Upthread, what Kerwin is trying to get at is this: When it comes to bouldering, I AM the motherf*#king Oracle and you should all get used to it.

American Legend, bitches. Learn it. Know it. Deal with it.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
Oh...and don't be taxin' it widout waxin' it neither!

A buff and a fluff and you're done in a Puff and I do mean Brenda$$$$$$$$$$$
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
SWOLL!
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 5, 2012 - 05:35pm PT



Unfortunately for you, Chris Mac actually will beat you out of here for that particular offense against that particular person. It's the "turd" precedent, a well known case here on the SuperTaco.

A negative turd has positive dingleberries...or something like that.
A negative turd has positive dingleberries...or something like that.
Credit: Russ Walling

I see no banning....
Prod

Trad climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
I can't believe I just read this whole thread. And there was no poop! WTF? Cut ropes and no "COILED ROPE" on the ropes. Weak sauce.

Prod.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
all other things equal, accomplished folks known to the community get more respect especially on grey area judgment calls when it comes to climbing.

that's entirely proper. skill, experience and history matter in that context. when it comes to sar, for instance, werner's judgments carry a lot more weight than do those of some random. when it comes to el cap, steve's judgments carry more weight than do those of some random.

doesn't mean there isn't a fair bit of throne-sniffing and kissup-kickdown on this site and elsewhere in climbing, like there is in virtually every other corner of human life. but that sordid little fact doesn't change the basic notion which is that expertise and competence matter, and that we base our judgments of the judgments of others partly on our experience of their record.

so no, steve's practice isn't going to get judged exactly the way that one would the practice of joe schmoe. i think the line between steve's fixing and dp's watkins deal is really clear. steve would've been better off getting the word out verbally, rather than posting it all up online. but yeah, he's going to get cut more slack (was it one month or 6 weeks, who really cares?) than someone who hasn't made major investments in yosemite climbing.

so far as stuff outside climbing, from music to politics, i could care less. i have zero interest in ted nugent's view on politics. if he wants to say something smart about byrdlands, i'll listen. same here. i have no idea why so many folks on st spend so much of their time fighting with, say, the chief, over his views of climate science or lance armstrong.

if you want favorable attention on a climbing forum, much less respect, the best way to get it is to post some climbing content. and despite the aging star power, the bar isn't that high. grovel up some stupid little hill on the eastside-- go out and repeat some of the sh#t many of us climbed back in the seventies and eighties or earlier. take some pixs and try to say something halfway amusing about it in a tr.

I think it is a big mistake to think that a champion of any sport has superior judgment over all aspects of his sport.

They are experts in the aspects of their sport that allows them to win, but usually do not have any superior judgment in aspects such as ethics.

If you want to know what you need to do win a bike race, Lance Armstrong can tell you what you need to do. But I do not think he has much to offer regarding ethics. If you took the riders that finish in the top 50% of a bike race, I don't think they have better judgment in ethics then the riders who finish in the bottom 50%.

You see the same in every sport.

Would you concede superior judgment to Bil Clinton or any other President on issues of ethics in politics?

Take a bouldering champion. He will have superior judgment in how to climb boulders, what moves work best, how to train for bouldering, what problems are climbable. But his skills in bouldering would not provide any special expertise in ethics in the sport or out of the sport.

He may have superior judgment in ethics, or other areas, but this won't be because he is a good boulderer.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:49am PT
Granit climber ur lame
the shipoopi is rad in everything he does.

i love it when he boulders around Jtree with his lingerie on!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:14am PT
Anonymous by necessity...

Wholly mediocre in your thinking...

Beyond dull in your climbing experience...

The question being begged is:

Why are you worthy of any attention?

Your comparative value please...


Even the Evil Squirrels are laughing at you!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:17am PT
Graniteclimber, you are kind of lame, even for a troll.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:18am PT

Graniteclimber does a good job of getting people all riled up...

I'd say that's pretty decent TROLLING...


klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:34am PT
I think it is a big mistake to think that a champion of any sport has superior judgment over all aspects of his sport.

not only would it be a mistake, it would be dysfunctional, since even "champions" fight all the time over proper judgments within their specialties. robbins, harding, etc.

what i said was that in any given field, the judgments of folks who are accomplished and active in that field are given more weight than the judgments of randoms.

it doesn't mean their judgments are beyond question. but i have a hard time seeing this as a marginal case. given that rope fixing on el cap is currently an accepted practice, and given that even the current 24-hr limit has accepted and acceptable exceptions, the question becomes, is this within the bounds of acceptable practice?

he's a credible person, no one has suggested he was poaching or ganking a trade route. his intent to clean the ropes is substantiated by the fact that he went back to clean them in between the storms. given the circumstances as described in these threads, i can't see good grounds for describing the ropes as abandoned trash.

whoever yarded some of the ropes while leaving the upper one fixed, on the other hand, turned at least part of the fix into trash. culpability here is with whoever was either so lowball that they wanted to snake some beater static line or had a vendetta.

that said, steve has obviously had kinder and gentler experiences in Yos than I've had: i'm not surprised that a fixed rope would get gleeped during the off-season. as perry gently hinted, it seems to me part of the price of doing business.



Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:54am PT
I have to think Tommy and crew on Mescalito have been using fixed lines to work their line as well. If folks think Steve shouldn't be using his, we'd have to consider whether that applies to them as well

I think the whole long term fixed line thing is unfortunate but grant that limited exceptions for exceptional projects may be acceptable. If freeing (particularly repeating) big walls becomes popular, it's unacceptable in my mind if the stone becomes strewn with fixed lines on a bunch of the Go-free routes all the time

Particularly freerider

Peace

Karl
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:59am PT
I have to think Tommy and crew on Mescalito have been using fixed lines to work their line as well. If folks think Steve shouldn't be using his, we'd have to consider whether that applies to them as wel

I don't think Steve was trying to free that line. Not like it matter, his stuff should not have been taken by some random dude. Especially leaving the highest line fixed in the middle of the wall- total dick move. Someone probably has something against him. Is it time to let this thread die?
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