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graniteclimber

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The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 5, 2012 - 03:15am PT
The "excrement" is piling up fast and furious on the other thread...

Since not ONE person has been able to answer this and it's getting lost under the collective pile, I'll throw it out here:

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

As I said, If anyone isable to give me an answer that makes sense, I will take back everything I said and issue a full apology.


So far, nothing but crickets.
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:23am PT
Perhaps it's because no one wants to act like a two year old and play in your sandbox with you.

I mean, I hate to sound rude, but I'm the type of guy who goes ahead and tells you you've got a bugger hanging from your nose out of respect, despite the awkwardness.

Sooo... Ya might want to delete this thread. Cuz you kinda sound like an immature whiny little bitch.

Just sayin'.
John M

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:28am PT
Well, I don't believe whoever took them down believed that they were abandoned garbage.

This is why.

If they really believed that they were abandoned garbage, and that it was bad to leave fixed ropes, then they wouldn't have left the ropes that they did. They left ropes that are now harder to retrieve and clean up. So that doesn't smack of someone who really cares about how bad fixed ropes look or are. If they really cared about that, then they would have cleaned all of them.

Rather.. to me it smells of someone wanting to punish Steve. Why do I say Steve in particular? Because if they didn't know whose ropes they were, then they would have no way of knowing that leaving those upper ropes would cause anyone any trouble because they would have no way of knowing if the person would return for them.

So in my opinion they didn't clean garbage, they tried to punish Steve because they knew that he would return for them.

But then again people are stupid and maybe this is just more people being stupid, thinking that cleaning the bottom was better then nothing.

Either way.. Lame.

And lame thread.

Edit: And you were answered on the other thread. People said that if they were really cleaning garbage, then they wouldn't have left the ropes that they did.
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:44am PT
Credit: Da_Dweeb

Not to discourage the existence of a completely not-politics-related thread guaranteed to hit dozens of posts - BAKER'S dozens - but you may want to rethink this one while you can, sugarcube.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:56am PT
Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

1. Stiff statics are actually pretty good, even though they are a pain to rappel on. Strong and easy to jug on.
2. I bet a lot of my ropes that I use for fixing are a lot worse than the ropes Steve had fixed.
Am I a "reasonable person" - well, maybe or maybe not. Remember we are talking about climbers here. I think you mean "reasonable wall climber".
3. Probably the fixed lines to Heart and on the East Ledges have often been in worse shape than Steve's. Often in place for over a year in the past....
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:04am PT
A thread about a thread? Can we take it to the next level?!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:14am PT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:02am PT
I got yer ropes!  They're in this ball.  Such a game, the Walls, all a...
I got yer ropes! They're in this ball. Such a game, the Walls, all about ropes and balls. And cupping.
Credit: G I
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:07am PT
A thread about a thread? Can we take it to the next level?!


Credit: Da_Dweeb
John Butler

Social climber
SLC, Utah
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:13am PT
A thread about a thread? Can we take it to the next level?!

You mean a thread about threads that are about other threads? Only the Authorities could create such a thread.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:15am PT
And granite climber jumps into the lead for coveted stoopidist thread of the month award!!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:32am PT
Said above:
"...you kinda sound like an immature whiny little bitch."

People need to just leave other peoples stuff alone. Theft is theft. I got nothing else.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:11am PT
Fixed lines are not booty. Taking them is stealing. (unless replacing or removing a hazardous one)

Been that way for decades, actually centuries.

Projecting and leaving fixed lines may not be the greatest form (eye of the beholder here cause I could not care less) but it is a long time accepted practice in Yosemite.

From Warren Harding to Mikey Schaefer's new Father Time, hard free route on Middle C.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:49am PT

Isn't there already a thread where all of this can be discussed???...

There NEEDS to be TWO???...

SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:02am PT
Wednesday morning while posting drunk?

My kind nature always gives the benefit of the doubt...

Susan


Edit: A ghost maybe?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:14am PT
Just because ropes are still and cable-like doesn't mean they are old and worn out. They are 11mil static lines, fat and not-stretchy

Peace

Karl
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:14am PT

"Steve "Shipooploi" Schneider cries "THIEF"..."...

Could that be because someone STOLE his sh!t???...

Unless it is turned in or returned, I see it as STOLEN...

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:23am PT


As odd as it may seem...

I was in the area when the ropes were STOLEN and I saw this dude walking away with an OVERSTUFFED pack...

...

Can ANYONE identify him???...

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:32am PT
Wow, this could go down as the all-time lamest thread of the year. Granite climber, you are indeed a fine piece of work, hiding behind your worthless anonymity.

I have both jugged and rapped on Steve's ropes before they were stolen, and I can tell you that they are indeed old and stiff, and a bit sunbaked. They are not particularly abraded, and being 11mm caving rope, it scarcely matters.

And while they were very herky-jerky to rappel on, they were certainly very, very safe.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 11:55am PT
Pass the Piton's Pete, who wrote this?

Fixed lines are banned altogether! We just "get away with it" in a few places, like the fixed ropes going up to the base of the Heart on the SW Face of El Cap, and also on the East Ledges descent.

Those ropes are all illegal. It's illegal to leave a rope fixed for more than 24 hours - that's the LETTER of the law. Linc and others have always enforced the SPIRIT of the law, whereby if it was obvious that the route was being worked, or the guys would be back next weekend or whatever, then the gear was left intact.

A few days or possibly even a week is reasonable - what happened on Mt. Watkins [or what Chongo did on Sea of Dreams] was very UNreasonable, and buggers it up for the rest of us.














YOU DID!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=228996&msg=239365#msg239365
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
I just wanted to say THANK GOD we are finally getting some real climbing threads posted up. I'm just SO SICK of all those damn political threads with all their vitriol and name calling and melodrama.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
Granite, why have you never posted a trip report?

Or any climbing pictures?
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
Cause his favorite position is guy on top - climbing in magazine...

I'm trying to decide if people will get this...

Charles

EDIT: correlates with his other favorite position, guy on top - girl in magazine...
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:16pm PT


EDITED...
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:37pm PT

BUMP:




"Graniteclimber...

Serious question...

Why don't you post your real name and ANY actual climbing experience/stories, along with some photo's???...


EDITED:

Perhaps you have and I've missed it???...

But there are only 4 shots in your profile...

NONE show you climbing...

Just seems ODD on a CLIMBERS FORUM..."
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
IDENTIFICATION BUMP:


Graniteclimber has now removed the only TWO photo's that show his face from his profile...






But I got this one already...

So...






HAS ANYONE HERE EVER CLIMBED WITH THIS DUDE???...

ANYONE EVER SEEN HIM CLIMB???...

ANY CLIMBERS HERE, KNOW HIM PERSONALLY???...

WHO is Graniteclimber???...

A CLIMBER or???...

EDITED:





EDITED:

and those photo's have been in your profile for a long time now...

WHY did you decide to remove them, NOW???...

Levy

Big Wall climber
So Cal
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
Graniteclimber, You are a complete douchebag! Feel free to find another forum for your hatred for those who actually get out & accomplish something on the rock. You've posted nothing of substance on this fourm. No trip reports, no photos to share. Just hatred & negativity spews from your keyboard. What a coward. Why don't you stand up & identify yourself instead of hiding in cyber-anonymity.

Did Steve ever do something to you personally? If so, then I might be able to understand your venom spewing ways but otherwide, it comes off as jealousy & sour grapes. Get over yourself!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
locker, that photo should have been deleted long ago. It's not me. gf would know who he is. I thought it was gf, but it's one of his friends.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:08pm PT


Then by all means, post a photo of YOU please and at least ONE of you CLIMBING...

Would go real far to prove that you're not just some wanker fuking TROLL douchebag...

At least for me it would...



EDITED:

and you wrote something implying that the reason you do not post your name and photo is so someone won't sh!t on your rope???...

Well, people KNOW who I am here and no one has sh!t on mine...

Do you think there is some reason why you in particular would be singled out???...

Or is it really just a matter of being affraid to be REAL???...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
If you want to talk substance, you can try to answer this.

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

There are thirty posts and I think only two even try.


locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:11pm PT


The big WHY here in my opinion is WHY are you being such a douche and unwilling to actually post something proving you actually CLIMB???...

I mean really...

DO YOU???...

PHOTO???...



EDITED:

WHY are you HIDING???...

Why should ANYONE even take you seriously???...



Who here have you CLIMBED with???...



WBraun

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
Does it every occur to you dumbsh!t that YOU (Granite turd) do not deserve an answer to any of your questions here since you're such a douchbag .....
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:15pm PT


Granite...

Why are you AFFRAID to PROVE that you actually CLIMB???...

Seems to me that it would be something anyone that actually CLIMBS would be MORE than happy to prove it...

WBraun

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
I wasn't talking to you Locker, you know that?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
Locker,

That is a picture of a very good friend of mine and definitely not GC. The pic was lifted from another friend's post.

Weird eh ?
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:19pm PT


"I wasn't talking to you Locker, you know that?"...

I do now...

THANKS!!!...

Thought you were calling me the DOUCHE...

Of course, you'd be right...

But probably not in this case...

LOL!!!...
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:21pm PT


"Locker,

That is a picture of a very good friend of mine and definitely not GC. The pic was lifted from another friend's post.

Weird eh ?"
...


Jim...

YES!!!...

That is indeed weird...

























Granite...

Care to EXPLAIN???...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
locker, that is because your ethics and your friend's ethics are situational depending on who you are dealing with an if you like them.


It's not, "It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left for a month."


Instead its:

"It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left by a friend or someone I know and like. But if I don't know them or I don't like them then its not so bad."

By the way, I think I may have seen you in the parking lot for Hall of Horrors several years ago when I came down to climb in J-Tree over Christmas. Also, I almost used your resole services once, but ended up going with the Rubber Room instead.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
I admit I cannot summon any interest or passion on the initial forum topic of this thread (fixed ropes, bfd) but I do agree that it's extraordinarily poor form to be posting anonymously to supertopo. This forum is a bit unusual in that most of the regulars know one another personally, through mutual freinds, or by reputation. I generally ignore threads started or posts made by oddfellows like graniteclimber. He has never posted anything that has interested me in any way at all. Which is probably fine, btw, with him as well as me. Although it's damning to have to admit I was far more captivated with LEB (good riddance) than the graniteclimber. With him, I simply don't give a f*#k.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
"locker, that is because your ethics and your friend's ethics are situational depending on who you are dealing with an if you like them."...


To KNOW my ethics would mean that you KNOW me...

And honestly I haven't got a single fuking CLUE as to WHO you are or if you even really CLIMB at all...

You don't seem able or willing to post a single bit of actual PROOF...

WHY should anyone here even believe you are nothing more than a trouble causing TROLL???...

Seriously!!!...




Post a climbing shot dude...

Prove that you CLIMB!!!


WHO HAVE YOU CLIMBED WITH HERE???...

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:27pm PT

The following is by no means ANY form of proof...

"By the way, I think I may have seen you in the parking lot for Hall of Horrors several years ago when I came down to climb in J-Tree over Christmas."...


I think I saw ELVIS that same day...



EDITED:

If I am not mistaken...

The majority of people that visit JTNP are there to CAMP and HIKE...

So once more...

even IF you did actually SEE me...

and even IF you were considering my resole services (I used to do HIKING shoes as well)...

that in and of itself means very little to PROVING that you do in FACT...

CLIMB and are a "CLIMBER"...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
Care to EXPLAIN???...

Like I said, ask gf. Jim could tell you the story also, but he's not talking. gf and I were at it and I posted this thinking it was him. He corrected me and asked me to delete it. I deleted it from the thread but did not remember that it was saved to the photo's folder. I don't normally use the photo's folder and haven't even looked at since I'd put it there... So when you dragged it out I saw that it was there, I deleted it, as I would have done 2 years ago if I remembered it was there.

The decent thing for you to would be to delete it also, from your folder and this thread.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
Post a single photo of YOU, climbing...

Then we can continue our conversation...

THANKS!!!...



EDITED:

By the way...

I am TRYING like hell to give you the benifit of the doubt...

You on the other hand continue to create even MORE doubt by not posting ANYTHING that PROVES you actually CLIMB...

;-/

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:32pm PT

To KNOW my ethics would mean that you KNOW me...

I DO know you and so does everyone else here. You can't make over 35,000 posts and not leave something of yourself.

Your ethics, your preference for women's butts, your buttplug humour, it's all there.

Edit to respond to your edit:

I am TRYING like hell to give you the benifit of the doubt...
.

I really don't care what you believe. Don't try to negotiate what I have to give you "or else." Just believe what you want about me.

I'm not demanding anything from you to force me not change my opinion of you.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
"Your ethics"...

Please POST my climbing ethics or find where I've posted them and repost them HERE...

You DO NOT and can not KNOW my ethics concerning CLIMBING...

I've NEVER posted them here, on SuperTopo, the "CLIMBERS" Forum...





EDITED:

"I DO know you and so does everyone else here"...

Unless we have MET in person...

NO, you DON'T know me...


If you THINK you KNOW me from what I've posted here on ST, then of course you ARE in FACT, mistaken...

You ONLY know a SMALL part of my FUKED UP humor and not much else other than a few MELTDOWNS, revealing some of my unfortunate weaknesses...

LOL!!!...

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
I KNOW who Graniteclimber is!!!!
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:38pm PT

^^^

EDITED:

He does in fact KNOW me, and my climbing ethics (or lack there of)...








Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
the greenish tinge must be from the Kodachrome....
the greenish tinge must be from the Kodachrome....
Credit: Wade Icey
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Cookies or fruitcakes? LOL
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:40pm PT


POST A PHOTO OF YOU CLIMBING PLEASE!!!...

THANKS!!!...
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
Here is a PHOTO of Graniteclimber.




































































j-tree

Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
I haven't read through all of the other thread yet (parts of it I have yesterday) but I didn't see anyone presenting this idea. I'll check today and make adjustments to this post as needed.

Instead of someone deciding that they were punishing Steve because of the WOS incident (which I doubt because, forgiveness and who cares and all)

Or that the condition of the lines mattered to the person taking them.

Maybe a better way of looking at the 24+ hours is trash/abandoned line of thinking is...

What if the person was peeved at Steve because the fixed lines for a long time on Real Nose was a continuation of the issue with the fixed lines for a long time on Lost in America earlier in the spring/summer this year. I remember mark posting about them and a mention of them in the "bags being thrown off the top of el cap/ steve quoted as saying ~"local privileges" thread
They might say, Steve fixed lines forever then, he fixed lines forever now, the only way to make that stop is to get rid of them.

I don't really have a horse in this game and don't care either way, but it seemed weird that this line of thought wasn't addressed as a possibility.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
Is that you, LEB?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
nothing secretive about all this.. Steve advertised here for partners on that on-going project. Attempting to FREE routes on THAT stone seem to me to be close to the ultimate routes no? Why shouldnt some extraordinary tactics be employed? Isnt that how ALL of the earlier climbs that pioneered the way to now were done? If we are to start baggin on those that have projects there, then you include Royal, Warren, Joe, Tom, Jim, Pat, all the way to Mark, Max etc etc etc...Nothing different really from sport crags and red tape on a hanger because its being "worked", just a BIGGER scale.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
Seems Steve manned up and moved on. Seems Graniteclimber doesn't even know where to begin acquiring the decency to admit he's acting like a total knob, much less man up.

edit: VVVVV More of acting like a patronizing, petty, vindictive dikwhole.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
The bottom line is that when I saw Steve's post, I had a strong initial opinion and I posted it.

I think that someone removed what they saw as abandoned property.

I also thought it was funny and ironic that Steve, with own history of vandalizing gear at the base of El Cap" was going into such hysterics about his old crappy ropes being removed from El Cap-- how it was a felony, providing a culprit profile modeled, he admitted, from "Law and Order", offering a cash reward for "information leading to the arrest and prosecution of said culprit", had already called the rangers, and so forth.

But I see that as being different from whether something wrong was done. If there was theft of property, it would be just as wrong if it was Steve's property or someone else's. It does not matter whether it is someone I like or someone I don't like, or a climber or a non-climber, or a good climber or a crappy climber.

Same with my opinion. If you dont' agree with it, then don't -- it should not matter if you know me personally, or know my name, or if I'm a climber or I'm not.

But locker, you, Pete and others for some reason have to know who I am before you can decide whether you agree or not with my opinion.

It's the same with the ropes. What I'm seeing is that if the ropes are left by someone in the camp 4 "inner circle" they are special and should be left there indefinitely, even for years. But if they belong to someone else that we don't know or care about it's just a trash removal problem.

So let me repeat the question in a more general way. Forget about Steve's ropes.

When are ropes left on the rock for weeks or months trash and when are they not trash?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
"But locker, you, Pete and others for some reason have to know who I am before you can decide whether you agree or not with my opinion."...

If you don't actually CLIMB...

yes, for me in particular, your opinions are WORTHLESS when they concern CLIMBING...

You've NEVER (that I know of) posted a single CLIMBING photo with YOU in it, CLIMBING...

You have ZERO proof that you are, in fact, a "CLIMBER"...(EDITED: None that I have EVER seen posted here that is)...

WBraun

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
What I'm seeing is that if the ropes are left by someone in the camp 4 "inner circle" they are special


Nope

And that's why you are such douche.

You're projecting that bullsh!t on to him.

Yeah you guys made all these rules that were never around in the early years, not the NPS.

It was complaining climbers that always cried to the land managers and thus the land managers were forced to pacify you.
John M

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
I think that someone removed what they saw as abandoned property.

Since you insist on everyone answering your question, why not answer this question?


If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
locker, that is because your ethics and your friend's ethics are situational depending on who you are dealing with an if you like them.


It's not, "It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left for a month."


Instead its:

"It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left by a friend or someone I know and like. But if I don't know them or I don't like them then its not so bad."

this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.

Then why leave a rope up high? Other than just pure dickery?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
^^^

EDITED:

Retracted comment...











THANKS Hawkeye!!!...
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
There's a camp 4 inner circle? Who dat?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?

That is a fair question, John.

Maybe because they didn't think of that and thought that removing some trash was better then nothing.? Maybe they intended to get it all but ran out of daylight?

Maybe they saw it as abandoned but still having some use. So they saw it as both a public service in removing abandoned ropes but also getting booty?

If they thieves and saw these ropes as being really valuable property they were stealing, wouldn't they have taken everything?

Edit: If the ropes had a note left on them with contact information or the date they would be taken down, I would say they were probably stolen. Was there a note?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
GC, are you really that obtuse?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
Yo Granite, why is it so scary to say who you are and what you've climbed anyway?

Rokjox?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:19pm PT

That's NOT Rokjox...

He's NOT a pussy...
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
EDITED:

To Hawkeye:

My GUESS is that you are joining the Graniteclimber Bandwagon simply because you catch so much hell in the political threads...

But then like I said, JUST a guess...

not at all.

GC and i disagree on the politard threads....i just see him identifying sh#t that others disagree with.

if this had been some no never mind normal climber who didnt know anyone on this web site, they would have been shat on for leaving their ropes up for so long.

different people different standards.....i dont care one way or another about fixed ropes but agree that it sucks that someone took them.

but the issue that GC is calling some out on is the different people=different standards and thats BS.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
I haven't read through all of the other thread yet (parts of it I have yesterday) but I didn't see anyone presenting this idea. I'll check today and make adjustments to this post as needed.

Instead of someone deciding that they were punishing Steve because of the WOS incident (which I doubt because, forgiveness and who cares and all)

Or that the condition of the lines mattered to the person taking them.

Maybe a better way of looking at the 24+ hours is trash/abandoned line of thinking is...

What if the person was peeved at Steve because the fixed lines for a long time on Real Nose was a continuation of the issue with the fixed lines for a long time on Lost in America earlier in the spring/summer this year. I remember mark posting about them and a mention of them in the "bags being thrown off the top of el cap/ steve quoted as saying ~"local privileges" thread
They might say, Steve fixed lines forever then, he fixed lines forever now, the only way to make that stop is to get rid of them.

I don't really have a horse in this game and don't care either way, but it seemed weird that this line of thought wasn't addressed as a possibility.

This had not occurred to me? Is there a connection between this and the "Pete is a Tosser" scandal? I did not realize that Pete was even part of this until he started ripping into me and making accusations.

If there is a connection, this is really ironic, because my only contribution to the multiple threads attackign Pete was to defend him: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1935278&msg=1944038#msg1944038
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
Let's pull the portrait shot of the well known Canadian locker, thanks in advance. He has nothing to do with anything that goes on here.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:23pm PT

Hawkeye...

"not at all.

GC and i disagree on the politard threads....i just see him identifying sh#t that others disagree with."
...


Fair enough!!!...

I openly RETRACT my previous comment...(EDITED: I removed it)

;-)

WBraun

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
if this had been some no never mind normal climber who didnt know anyone on this web site,

That ain't true.

Potter caught hell here for his ropes on Watkins.

But some of you guys are projecting the "special" label onto Steve.

That makes you douche bags.

But it was you guys that made all these rules that were never around in the early years, not the NPS.

It was complaining climbers that always cried to the land managers and thus the land managers were forced to pacify you with all these rules now.

locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:27pm PT


"Let's pull the portrait shot of the well known Canadian locker, thanks in advance. He has nothing to do with anything that goes on here"...

Agreed!!!...

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Fair enough!!!...

I openly RETRACT my previous comment...(EDITED: I removed it)

;-)

no! that doesnt seem fair! :) now after whining i seem to have the spirit of this thread.

werner, i disagree. but have at it. i think it was wrong that someone stole steve's ropes. and i dont give a sh#t about them one or the other. but as a side note, how did you learn so much about gerbils?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:34pm PT

"no! that doesnt seem fair! :) now after whining i seem to have the spirit of this thread."...



OK then...

I'll give you some more sh!t...

LOL!!!...

;-)





EDITED:

Comments like this are what make this place worth the visiting...

ROFL!!!...

"but as a side note, how did you learn so much about gerbils? "...



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
Perfect example: The Chief, in all his wisdom, tried to call me out for daring to disagree with Wbraun, and his justification was that I didn't "know who I was talking to", like it matters how accomplished a climber is when it comes to commenting on pretty much anything.

Unfortunately for you, Chris Mac actually will beat you out of here for that particular offense against that particular person. It's the "turd" precedent, a well known case here on the SuperTaco.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:04pm PT

The only thing that gives me comfort, is I could probably break in two the majority of the little crap-talking maggots that slither around feeling tough on the Taco. It's not reality, guys. Enjoy it.


Hey, man, what are you doing breaking the 4th wall here? Suspension of disbelief? That's it. I was thinking you were a cool guy and was even going to invite you on my awesome climbing trip to the Land of OZ. But you'd just go around embarrassing me in front of my closeted friends.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
Potter caught hell here for his ropes on Watkins.

But some of you guys are projecting the "special" label onto Steve.

That makes you douche bags.

But it was you guys that made all these rules that were never around in the early years, not the NPS.

It was complaining climbers that always cried to the land managers and thus the land managers were forced to pacify you with all these rules now.

Steve had his ropes up for 2 month vs Potter who had those fixed for several years (according to the thread). Also had a bunch of other random expired food there and a bunch of random sh#t. Cams in a crack still- rusted. NO these two have nothing in common.
Climbers complain and bitch because there should be some talk before straight up action. I think that thread on Watkins worked perfectly fine- ropes were removed within 2-3 weeks. Was it supposed to be random climbers hauling his sh#t off? F*#k no. Personally I would not take anyone's ropes down unless I KNOW they are trash. 2 month is not that big of a deal, especially not on any major route.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 5, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
because I'm not an old dog climber, my opinion and logic on every topic known is, by default, less valuable or appropriate.

all other things equal, accomplished folks known to the community get more respect especially on grey area judgment calls when it comes to climbing.

that's entirely proper. skill, experience and history matter in that context. when it comes to sar, for instance, werner's judgments carry a lot more weight than do those of some random. when it comes to el cap, steve's judgments carry more weight than do those of some random.

doesn't mean there isn't a fair bit of throne-sniffing and kissup-kickdown on this site and elsewhere in climbing, like there is in virtually every other corner of human life. but that sordid little fact doesn't change the basic notion which is that expertise and competence matter, and that we base our judgments of the judgments of others partly on our experience of their record.

so no, steve's practice isn't going to get judged exactly the way that one would the practice of joe schmoe. i think the line between steve's fixing and dp's watkins deal is really clear. steve would've been better off getting the word out verbally, rather than posting it all up online. but yeah, he's going to get cut more slack (was it one month or 6 weeks, who really cares?) than someone who hasn't made major investments in yosemite climbing.

so far as stuff outside climbing, from music to politics, i could care less. i have zero interest in ted nugent's view on politics. if he wants to say something smart about byrdlands, i'll listen. same here. i have no idea why so many folks on st spend so much of their time fighting with, say, the chief, over his views of climate science or lance armstrong.

if you want favorable attention on a climbing forum, much less respect, the best way to get it is to post some climbing content. and despite the aging star power, the bar isn't that high. grovel up some stupid little hill on the eastside-- go out and repeat some of the sh#t many of us climbed back in the seventies and eighties or earlier. take some pixs and try to say something halfway amusing about it in a tr.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
I hope to keep doing it for years so I can one day berate a less-experienced climber about their choice of car color or hairstyle. They'll have no ground to stand on, obviously.

That's a good idea. When I started out on this site a total non climber told me that I don't know sh#t about climbing because I have a low number of posts. F*#k people like that.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 5, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
Upthread, what Kerwin is trying to get at is this: When it comes to bouldering, I AM the motherf*#king Oracle and you should all get used to it.

American Legend, bitches. Learn it. Know it. Deal with it.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
Oh...and don't be taxin' it widout waxin' it neither!

A buff and a fluff and you're done in a Puff and I do mean Brenda$$$$$$$$$$$
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
SWOLL!
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:35pm PT



Unfortunately for you, Chris Mac actually will beat you out of here for that particular offense against that particular person. It's the "turd" precedent, a well known case here on the SuperTaco.

A negative turd has positive dingleberries...or something like that.
A negative turd has positive dingleberries...or something like that.
Credit: Russ Walling

I see no banning....
Prod

Trad climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
I can't believe I just read this whole thread. And there was no poop! WTF? Cut ropes and no "COILED ROPE" on the ropes. Weak sauce.

Prod.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:05pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
all other things equal, accomplished folks known to the community get more respect especially on grey area judgment calls when it comes to climbing.

that's entirely proper. skill, experience and history matter in that context. when it comes to sar, for instance, werner's judgments carry a lot more weight than do those of some random. when it comes to el cap, steve's judgments carry more weight than do those of some random.

doesn't mean there isn't a fair bit of throne-sniffing and kissup-kickdown on this site and elsewhere in climbing, like there is in virtually every other corner of human life. but that sordid little fact doesn't change the basic notion which is that expertise and competence matter, and that we base our judgments of the judgments of others partly on our experience of their record.

so no, steve's practice isn't going to get judged exactly the way that one would the practice of joe schmoe. i think the line between steve's fixing and dp's watkins deal is really clear. steve would've been better off getting the word out verbally, rather than posting it all up online. but yeah, he's going to get cut more slack (was it one month or 6 weeks, who really cares?) than someone who hasn't made major investments in yosemite climbing.

so far as stuff outside climbing, from music to politics, i could care less. i have zero interest in ted nugent's view on politics. if he wants to say something smart about byrdlands, i'll listen. same here. i have no idea why so many folks on st spend so much of their time fighting with, say, the chief, over his views of climate science or lance armstrong.

if you want favorable attention on a climbing forum, much less respect, the best way to get it is to post some climbing content. and despite the aging star power, the bar isn't that high. grovel up some stupid little hill on the eastside-- go out and repeat some of the sh#t many of us climbed back in the seventies and eighties or earlier. take some pixs and try to say something halfway amusing about it in a tr.

I think it is a big mistake to think that a champion of any sport has superior judgment over all aspects of his sport.

They are experts in the aspects of their sport that allows them to win, but usually do not have any superior judgment in aspects such as ethics.

If you want to know what you need to do win a bike race, Lance Armstrong can tell you what you need to do. But I do not think he has much to offer regarding ethics. If you took the riders that finish in the top 50% of a bike race, I don't think they have better judgment in ethics then the riders who finish in the bottom 50%.

You see the same in every sport.

Would you concede superior judgment to Bil Clinton or any other President on issues of ethics in politics?

Take a bouldering champion. He will have superior judgment in how to climb boulders, what moves work best, how to train for bouldering, what problems are climbable. But his skills in bouldering would not provide any special expertise in ethics in the sport or out of the sport.

He may have superior judgment in ethics, or other areas, but this won't be because he is a good boulderer.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:49am PT
Granit climber ur lame
the shipoopi is rad in everything he does.

i love it when he boulders around Jtree with his lingerie on!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
Anonymous by necessity...

Wholly mediocre in your thinking...

Beyond dull in your climbing experience...

The question being begged is:

Why are you worthy of any attention?

Your comparative value please...


Even the Evil Squirrels are laughing at you!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
Graniteclimber, you are kind of lame, even for a troll.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:18pm PT

Graniteclimber does a good job of getting people all riled up...

I'd say that's pretty decent TROLLING...


klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
I think it is a big mistake to think that a champion of any sport has superior judgment over all aspects of his sport.

not only would it be a mistake, it would be dysfunctional, since even "champions" fight all the time over proper judgments within their specialties. robbins, harding, etc.

what i said was that in any given field, the judgments of folks who are accomplished and active in that field are given more weight than the judgments of randoms.

it doesn't mean their judgments are beyond question. but i have a hard time seeing this as a marginal case. given that rope fixing on el cap is currently an accepted practice, and given that even the current 24-hr limit has accepted and acceptable exceptions, the question becomes, is this within the bounds of acceptable practice?

he's a credible person, no one has suggested he was poaching or ganking a trade route. his intent to clean the ropes is substantiated by the fact that he went back to clean them in between the storms. given the circumstances as described in these threads, i can't see good grounds for describing the ropes as abandoned trash.

whoever yarded some of the ropes while leaving the upper one fixed, on the other hand, turned at least part of the fix into trash. culpability here is with whoever was either so lowball that they wanted to snake some beater static line or had a vendetta.

that said, steve has obviously had kinder and gentler experiences in Yos than I've had: i'm not surprised that a fixed rope would get gleeped during the off-season. as perry gently hinted, it seems to me part of the price of doing business.



Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
I have to think Tommy and crew on Mescalito have been using fixed lines to work their line as well. If folks think Steve shouldn't be using his, we'd have to consider whether that applies to them as well

I think the whole long term fixed line thing is unfortunate but grant that limited exceptions for exceptional projects may be acceptable. If freeing (particularly repeating) big walls becomes popular, it's unacceptable in my mind if the stone becomes strewn with fixed lines on a bunch of the Go-free routes all the time

Particularly freerider

Peace

Karl
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
I have to think Tommy and crew on Mescalito have been using fixed lines to work their line as well. If folks think Steve shouldn't be using his, we'd have to consider whether that applies to them as wel

I don't think Steve was trying to free that line. Not like it matter, his stuff should not have been taken by some random dude. Especially leaving the highest line fixed in the middle of the wall- total dick move. Someone probably has something against him. Is it time to let this thread die?
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
You should hold a contest to see who can hijack graniteclimbers threads the best. Take all of his threads/posts comments ect... and make them political....

So far Werner has the best comments about Gerbils
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
We have no proof that mr anonymous is in fact a granite climber since he has refused all requests about identity or what he has climbed or who might vouch for his alleged skill level.

So until that happens, he's a zero with zero experience and zero partners.

jstan

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
The discussion seems to be settling down. (It could have started here right off the bat.)

So is there a consensus? Suppose one with no information has observed fixed lines over a three month period. There seem to be three options.

1. No action
2. Inform Jesse of their presence
3. Remove them (all) and take them to Lost and Found

After all of this it would be good if we would get something out of it.
WBraun

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
Listen up.

The stupid gerbil sh!t eating tool Granite has always been a sh1thead here.

Not that care.

What drew the line for me is when he purposely disrupted a recent thread and cause Mchale to delete all his posts.

The dumb fuk Anders was riding the gerbil eating tools coat tails also to disrupt.

I then deleted all mine in that thread too as my own protest against this stupid sh!t.

Not that it even matters nor anyone cares, I just did that for me.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
graniteclimber has been posting (and contributing) here for more than six years, often on climbing threads. Overall it's pretty clear that he is a climber, although I've never met him/her, and don't know who she/he is. In any event, if he was (perish the thought!) a non-climber posting on a climbers' forum, isn't it a little late to be making an issue of it?

As climbers don't own El Capitan or Yosemite, graniteclimber is as free as any member of the public to express his views on the use and users of those places. His views may be better informed, the more of a climber that he is - at least with regard to purely climbing matters. But even if he's a non-climber who's never been to Yosemite, perhaps he has something to contribute.

That said, if GC has personal issues with regard to SS, we probably don't need to hear about them.

Enough of the dog-pile routine already.

As for conspiracy theory threads - at least one of which the administrators recently deleted, which says something - if you don't post them, I won't satirize them, or help others to do so.
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
Too Funny Werner. High-larious

I had a gerbil once as a kid. My brother accidentally pulled its tail off.
What is a gerbil exactly? A modified rat?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
it always amazes me that tough, individualistic climbers can get their panties in a bunch so easily....try a larger size of underwear already.
WBraun

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool ....
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Just when I was wondering what passes for intellectual discourse at Bootjack Middle School, this thread comes along.


survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Overall it's pretty clear that he is a climber,

Mighty, by reading his posts, I fully agree with you.

But I know who you are and what your background are, so I have a great deal of respect for you and what you have to say about all things climbing.

On the other hand I have a long time stoner friend who was one of the world's great climbing groupies, and an intellectual to boot. He could talk circles around most climbers but basically couldn't climb his way out of a paper bag, most especially if it included any leading, period.

Therefore, I took anything and every high minded sounding thing he had to say about badass climbing with MANY grains of salt.

So....granite holds little water with his shpoopi hate, just sayin'....
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
So is there a consensus? Suppose one with no information has observed fixed lines over a three month period. There seem to be three options.

1. No action
2. Inform Jesse of their presence
3. Remove them (all) and take them to Lost and Found

if it's el cap, option 1: do nothing. el cap is pretty public. it's a small place. if ropes have been there for 3 mos, jesse will already know about them.

obvious exceptions for attractive hazards like a fix with a bad anchor. or something that's ganking some other route. barring some shift in the consensus to the point that all fixing is eliminated, i can't see any support for someone jugging up and yanking tommy's ropes off the dawn project.

that said, it's pretty easy to project a bit into the future and see that there are going to be management issues involving fixing. some of those will overlap with other touchy questions, like the cables on half dome.

i like karl's suggestion that we fix free rider for minitraxing. i could drive out on weekends and tr the damn thing.

(heh-- sorry karl)


The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Credit: The Larry
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!
You're a stupid brown nose tool ....

The high level of witty repartee and intellectual debate is why I love Supertopo so much.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
Kinda hafta agree with the heavy handed Braun on this one. Two guys who've called for heads in the recent past, not surprising they would experience a little backlash.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool ....

perhaps anders nose is mis-directed?
WyoRockMan

Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
@TheLarry- that photo reminds me of this:

Cloudraker

Sport climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
Hey, Anders isn't stupid!!!
weezy

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
The "brown" nose tools got recalled. The other sizes (blue, yellow, green) seem to not be affected by the recall.

Has anyone actually pull tested a brown nose tool?
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:35pm PT


Is honesty really ones best policy???...


"So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool"
...



LOL!!!...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
so where we at with all of this? I dont want to review the whole thing- just a summary of:

Tools
Fools
Gools
Shitheads
Thiefs
Liars
Egos
Leggos
and fries do we have now??
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
Time to answer some fan mail.


Mr. Erik Wolfe Borghoff:
The real kicker for me was when he started his thread AFTER Madbolter got on the other thread and said Steve stepped up, did the right thing and was forgiven (yet again!).

Did that matter one whit to this 3rd party intardnet wanker? No.

This thread was started at "Dec 5, 2012 - 12:15am PT" - that's 12:15 in the morning (15 minutes after midnight) on Dec 5th. Madbolter got on the other thread at "Dec 5, 2012 - 04:46am PT."

So Madbolter's post was over four and a half hours after mine.

The good Mr. Borghoff is chronologically challenged.

Madbolter, what the hell were you doing on Supertopo at 4:45 in the morning?





Vitaliy M. to someone else:

Well as long as guys like you keep taking it up the a*# and keep smiling at the 'bozos' that fix several sets of lines on the same climb it will keep happening. Enjoy. If you had a penis maybe you would speak up about this inconvenience you had.

I saw the post you changed on the other thread. You posted almost at the same time as me and you quoted the karma line from Steve's post and ridiculed. Later you went back and changed your post to make it look like you were responding to my comment.

I'm not going to make any comments about your penis or lack of penis, because I think that's misogynistic. Don't dis people with vaginas.





Kerwin:
his intent to clean the ropes is substantiated by the fact that he went back to clean them in between the storms. given the circumstances as described in these threads, i can't see good grounds for describing the ropes as abandoned trash.

There are two players in this. Steve, who had his ropes taken down, and some second person who removed the ropes. This is a real person who is living and breathing right now. If we accept Steve's judgment, we should hound this person down and have him arrested and put into jail as a thief.

But we do not know who this person is and what he was thinking when he took the ropes down. If he knew that they were Steve's and Steve was going to come back for them, then he is a thief. If he did not know that and just saw the rope as mank being abandoned after the end of the season, then he was not a thief.

I respect Steve's judgment on climbing matters, but do not think he is in superior position then any of us to label anyone who took his stuff as "thief."

I've already said that if my ropes were taken I'd probably be ranting about thieves also, but that would not mean that I'm right.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:45pm PT

Someone posted that they were pretty sure graniteclimber was a woman...

and then this...

"I'm not going to make any comments about your penis or lack of penis, because I think that's is misogynist. Don't dis people with vaginas."...




I don't think granite is deserving of a BOOTING personally and even think some of her/his(???) posts are pretty humorous...

Of course I don't read many of the threads and MAY be missing a lot of what is causing the ruckus...


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
i think that NEVER becoming a "valley-ite" was the smartest thing i ever did in climbing. I could smell it in the air in 77/78. Aint much changed all in all..

some things are a sure bet in a season in Yos.

A) there will be deaths
B) there will be rescues
C) there will be arguements regarding El Cap.

BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:56pm PT
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
A few days ago, a new poster started yet another 11/9 conspiracy theory thread. Both poster and thread disappeared within an hour. A not so subtle reminder as to the purpose of this forum, at least in the view of SuperTopo management, who removed them.

Perry then started a thread about the possibility of civil discussion of such theories, however kooky they are - http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1997501/Re-Deleted-911-Thread It quickly morphed into the usual back and forth, which I should have known better than to add to - and usually do. Although the hamsters were a fun way to mock the 'believers', I've deleted mine. But perhaps some of the believers have a martyr complex, and feel that such satire validates their beliefs?

As for the rest, there's no need to turn this into another 'appreciation' thread. I mean, I'm glad that I'm held in such high esteem, and am so well respected, but this has to stop. It's embarrassing. I'm just a ka-lu-less sheeple, eh?
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:15pm PT


For GC and Anders.

The Larry get's the credit for this gem. Good Ole Lemmiwinks.
Silver

Gym climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
^^fuking beat me to Lemiwinks you did^^

Thats some funny ass sh#t right there.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:18pm PT


"I'm just a ka-lu-less sheeple, eh?"...

Aren't you CANADIAN???...

Goes with the territory...

LOL!!!...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
Base, that's funny. But it's an American Lemmiwink, not a Syrian Hamster.

locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:22pm PT


^^^

EXACTLY!!!...

ROFL!!!...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
I might use the Lemmiwink video anway. It shows superior, ah, "tunneling" capability. A capability that would have been useful in planting the demo charges without detection.
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:47pm PT
Did someone say "vagina"?
BASE1361

climber
Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
^^^



JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
SuperDrama.com
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
I don't think Steve was trying to free that line. Not like it matter, his stuff should not have been taken by some random dude

Pretty sure He'd be more than 5 pitches up after a month if he wasn't trying to free it.

He's a speedy mofo

peace

Karl
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
There are two players in this. Steve, who had his ropes taken down, and some second person who removed the ropes. This is a real person who is living and breathing right now. If we accept Steve's judgment, we should hound this person down and have him arrested and put into jail as a thief.

as i said, folks with expertise get more weight when making judgments in their area of expertise. law enforcement is clearly not steve's area of expertise. but yeah, i think a number of folks have suggested, gently or loudly, that venting about this online wasn't the best idea.

fwiw, i don't know steve. i guess i may have met him at some point, but honestly dont remember. and i don't care about fixing the nose, so i don't have a dog in this fight.

and even though i think that it was ill-advised for him to log on and rant about this, i do have some sympathy-- el cap is a pretty public place for anything to go south. he starts a proj in very public view, max risk of slander however it turns out. has to leave it and bail back to work; the storms set in; he's got fixed line up he has to clean; makes the grim slog out to do the housework of cleaning up a failed or incomplete proj; and then finds out that someone has gleeped a big chunk of the fix. so not only is he out the dough for the rope, but also that grim drive out to yard it all down. worse, the gleepist didn't clean all of it. now there's however many feet of shipoopi bail flag flapping in the wind on one of the most public crags in the world. gonna sit there all winter. prolly still be there in early spring. and by that time, given the way cali climber culture works, there will be volumes of oral legend built up around that tat.

you all know how it works-- campfire stories, forties, scrib, word of mouth. by early may, folks in c4 are going to be pointing to that string and saying, yeah, i hear ss used that rope to haul a hydraulic drill up there to chip holds and then used it to strangle christian gerbils. it'll prolly be part of the plot to bring down the twin towers. frickin nightmare.

so yeah, i can imagine that the drive back to sea level was pretty unpleasant, and i'm sure i'd have had a few pops and vented after that myself.

jstan

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
I think Storm Large should have the last word on this thread.
grover

climber
Northern Mexico
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:35pm PT

just sayin










































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