Steve "Shipooploi" Schneider cries "THIEF"

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

Fixed lines are banned altogether! We just "get away with it" in a few places, like the fixed ropes going up to the base of the Heart on the SW Face of El Cap, and also on the East Ledges descent.

Those ropes are all illegal. It's illegal to leave a rope fixed for more than 24 hours - that's the LETTER of the law. Linc and others have always enforced the SPIRIT of the law, whereby if it was obvious that the route was being worked, or the guys would be back next weekend or whatever, then the gear was left intact.

A few days or possibly even a week is reasonable - what happened on Mt. Watkins [or what Chongo did on Sea of Dreams] was very UNreasonable, and buggers it up for the rest of us.

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

Care to EXPLAIN???...

To KNOW my ethics would mean that you KNOW me...

I am TRYING like hell to give you the benifit of the doubt...
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If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?

I haven't read through all of the other thread yet (parts of it I have yesterday) but I didn't see anyone presenting this idea. I'll check today and make adjustments to this post as needed.

Instead of someone deciding that they were punishing Steve because of the WOS incident (which I doubt because, forgiveness and who cares and all)

Or that the condition of the lines mattered to the person taking them.

Maybe a better way of looking at the 24+ hours is trash/abandoned line of thinking is...

What if the person was peeved at Steve because the fixed lines for a long time on Real Nose was a continuation of the issue with the fixed lines for a long time on Lost in America earlier in the spring/summer this year. I remember mark posting about them and a mention of them in the "bags being thrown off the top of el cap/ steve quoted as saying ~"local privileges" thread
They might say, Steve fixed lines forever then, he fixed lines forever now, the only way to make that stop is to get rid of them.

I don't really have a horse in this game and don't care either way, but it seemed weird that this line of thought wasn't addressed as a possibility.

all other things equal, accomplished folks known to the community get more respect especially on grey area judgment calls when it comes to climbing.

that's entirely proper. skill, experience and history matter in that context. when it comes to sar, for instance, werner's judgments carry a lot more weight than do those of some random. when it comes to el cap, steve's judgments carry more weight than do those of some random.

doesn't mean there isn't a fair bit of throne-sniffing and kissup-kickdown on this site and elsewhere in climbing, like there is in virtually every other corner of human life. but that sordid little fact doesn't change the basic notion which is that expertise and competence matter, and that we base our judgments of the judgments of others partly on our experience of their record.

so no, steve's practice isn't going to get judged exactly the way that one would the practice of joe schmoe. i think the line between steve's fixing and dp's watkins deal is really clear. steve would've been better off getting the word out verbally, rather than posting it all up online. but yeah, he's going to get cut more slack (was it one month or 6 weeks, who really cares?) than someone who hasn't made major investments in yosemite climbing.

so far as stuff outside climbing, from music to politics, i could care less. i have zero interest in ted nugent's view on politics. if he wants to say something smart about byrdlands, i'll listen. same here. i have no idea why so many folks on st spend so much of their time fighting with, say, the chief, over his views of climate science or lance armstrong.

if you want favorable attention on a climbing forum, much less respect, the best way to get it is to post some climbing content. and despite the aging star power, the bar isn't that high. grovel up some stupid little hill on the eastside-- go out and repeat some of the sh#t many of us climbed back in the seventies and eighties or earlier. take some pixs and try to say something halfway amusing about it in a tr.

The real kicker for me was when he started his thread AFTER Madbolter got on the other thread and said Steve stepped up, did the right thing and was forgiven (yet again!).

Did that matter one whit to this 3rd party intardnet wanker? No.

Well as long as guys like you keep taking it up the a*# and keep smiling at the 'bozos' that fix several sets of lines on the same climb it will keep happening. Enjoy. If you had a penis maybe you would speak up about this inconvenience you had.

his intent to clean the ropes is substantiated by the fact that he went back to clean them in between the storms. given the circumstances as described in these threads, i can't see good grounds for describing the ropes as abandoned trash.