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graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
locker, that photo should have been deleted long ago. It's not me. gf would know who he is. I thought it was gf, but it's one of his friends.
graniteclimber

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
If you want to talk substance, you can try to answer this.

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

There are thirty posts and I think only two even try.


WBraun

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
I wasn't talking to you Locker, you know that?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
Locker,

That is a picture of a very good friend of mine and definitely not GC. The pic was lifted from another friend's post.

Weird eh ?
graniteclimber

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
locker, that is because your ethics and your friend's ethics are situational depending on who you are dealing with an if you like them.


It's not, "It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left for a month."


Instead its:

"It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left by a friend or someone I know and like. But if I don't know them or I don't like them then its not so bad."

By the way, I think I may have seen you in the parking lot for Hall of Horrors several years ago when I came down to climb in J-Tree over Christmas. Also, I almost used your resole services once, but ended up going with the Rubber Room instead.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
I admit I cannot summon any interest or passion on the initial forum topic of this thread (fixed ropes, bfd) but I do agree that it's extraordinarily poor form to be posting anonymously to supertopo. This forum is a bit unusual in that most of the regulars know one another personally, through mutual freinds, or by reputation. I generally ignore threads started or posts made by oddfellows like graniteclimber. He has never posted anything that has interested me in any way at all. Which is probably fine, btw, with him as well as me. Although it's damning to have to admit I was far more captivated with LEB (good riddance) than the graniteclimber. With him, I simply don't give a f*#k.
graniteclimber

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The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
Care to EXPLAIN???...

Like I said, ask gf. Jim could tell you the story also, but he's not talking. gf and I were at it and I posted this thinking it was him. He corrected me and asked me to delete it. I deleted it from the thread but did not remember that it was saved to the photo's folder. I don't normally use the photo's folder and haven't even looked at since I'd put it there... So when you dragged it out I saw that it was there, I deleted it, as I would have done 2 years ago if I remembered it was there.

The decent thing for you to would be to delete it also, from your folder and this thread.
graniteclimber

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:32pm PT

To KNOW my ethics would mean that you KNOW me...

I DO know you and so does everyone else here. You can't make over 35,000 posts and not leave something of yourself.

Your ethics, your preference for women's butts, your buttplug humour, it's all there.

Edit to respond to your edit:

I am TRYING like hell to give you the benifit of the doubt...
.

I really don't care what you believe. Don't try to negotiate what I have to give you "or else." Just believe what you want about me.

I'm not demanding anything from you to force me not change my opinion of you.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
I KNOW who Graniteclimber is!!!!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
the greenish tinge must be from the Kodachrome....
the greenish tinge must be from the Kodachrome....
Credit: Wade Icey
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Cookies or fruitcakes? LOL
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
Here is a PHOTO of Graniteclimber.




































































j-tree

Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
I haven't read through all of the other thread yet (parts of it I have yesterday) but I didn't see anyone presenting this idea. I'll check today and make adjustments to this post as needed.

Instead of someone deciding that they were punishing Steve because of the WOS incident (which I doubt because, forgiveness and who cares and all)

Or that the condition of the lines mattered to the person taking them.

Maybe a better way of looking at the 24+ hours is trash/abandoned line of thinking is...

What if the person was peeved at Steve because the fixed lines for a long time on Real Nose was a continuation of the issue with the fixed lines for a long time on Lost in America earlier in the spring/summer this year. I remember mark posting about them and a mention of them in the "bags being thrown off the top of el cap/ steve quoted as saying ~"local privileges" thread
They might say, Steve fixed lines forever then, he fixed lines forever now, the only way to make that stop is to get rid of them.

I don't really have a horse in this game and don't care either way, but it seemed weird that this line of thought wasn't addressed as a possibility.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
Is that you, LEB?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
Seems Steve manned up and moved on. Seems Graniteclimber doesn't even know where to begin acquiring the decency to admit he's acting like a total knob, much less man up.

edit: VVVVV More of acting like a patronizing, petty, vindictive dikwhole.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
The bottom line is that when I saw Steve's post, I had a strong initial opinion and I posted it.

I think that someone removed what they saw as abandoned property.

I also thought it was funny and ironic that Steve, with own history of vandalizing gear at the base of El Cap" was going into such hysterics about his old crappy ropes being removed from El Cap-- how it was a felony, providing a culprit profile modeled, he admitted, from "Law and Order", offering a cash reward for "information leading to the arrest and prosecution of said culprit", had already called the rangers, and so forth.

But I see that as being different from whether something wrong was done. If there was theft of property, it would be just as wrong if it was Steve's property or someone else's. It does not matter whether it is someone I like or someone I don't like, or a climber or a non-climber, or a good climber or a crappy climber.

Same with my opinion. If you dont' agree with it, then don't -- it should not matter if you know me personally, or know my name, or if I'm a climber or I'm not.

But locker, you, Pete and others for some reason have to know who I am before you can decide whether you agree or not with my opinion.

It's the same with the ropes. What I'm seeing is that if the ropes are left by someone in the camp 4 "inner circle" they are special and should be left there indefinitely, even for years. But if they belong to someone else that we don't know or care about it's just a trash removal problem.

So let me repeat the question in a more general way. Forget about Steve's ropes.

When are ropes left on the rock for weeks or months trash and when are they not trash?
John M

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
I think that someone removed what they saw as abandoned property.

Since you insist on everyone answering your question, why not answer this question?


If the people who removed them saw them as garbage, then why did they only remove the lower portion, leaving "garbage" up higher with no link to it so that it is now much more difficult to remove?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
locker, that is because your ethics and your friend's ethics are situational depending on who you are dealing with an if you like them.


It's not, "It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left for a month."


Instead its:

"It's wrong to take down an old rope that's been left by a friend or someone I know and like. But if I don't know them or I don't like them then its not so bad."

this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
this is the problemo that GC is taking folks to task for....i might not have done it in this instance but hey, callin people on their sh#t on this site is a specialty just dont do it to my friends....thats the norm that most posters on here dont seem ready to acknowledge.

Then why leave a rope up high? Other than just pure dickery?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
There's a camp 4 inner circle? Who dat?
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