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graniteclimber

Trad climber

The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 5, 2012 - 03:15am PT

The "excrement" is piling up fast and furious on the other thread...

Since not ONE person has been able to answer this and it's getting lost under the collective pile, I'll throw it out here:

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

As I said, If anyone isable to give me an answer that makes sense, I will take back everything I said and issue a full apology.

So far, nothing but crickets.

Salamanizer

Trad climber

The land of Fruits & Nuts!

Dec 5, 2012 - 03:23am PT

Perhaps it's because no one wants to act like a two year old and play in your sandbox with you.

I mean, I hate to sound rude, but I'm the type of guy who goes ahead and tells you you've got a bugger hanging from your nose out of respect, despite the awkwardness.

Sooo... Ya might want to delete this thread. Cuz you kinda sound like an immature whiny little bitch.

Just sayin'.

John M

climber

Dec 5, 2012 - 03:28am PT

Well, I don't believe whoever took them down believed that they were abandoned garbage.

This is why.

If they really believed that they were abandoned garbage, and that it was bad to leave fixed ropes, then they wouldn't have left the ropes that they did. They left ropes that are now harder to retrieve and clean up. So that doesn't smack of someone who really cares about how bad fixed ropes look or are. If they really cared about that, then they would have cleaned all of them.

Rather.. to me it smells of someone wanting to punish Steve. Why do I say Steve in particular? Because if they didn't know whose ropes they were, then they would have no way of knowing that leaving those upper ropes would cause anyone any trouble because they would have no way of knowing if the person would return for them.

So in my opinion they didn't clean garbage, they tried to punish Steve because they knew that he would return for them.

But then again people are stupid and maybe this is just more people being stupid, thinking that cleaning the bottom was better then nothing.

Either way.. Lame.

And lame thread.

Edit: And you were answered on the other thread. People said that if they were really cleaning garbage, then they wouldn't have left the ropes that they did.

Da_Dweeb

climber

Dec 5, 2012 - 03:44am PT

Not to discourage the existence of a completely not-politics-related thread guaranteed to hit dozens of posts - BAKER'S dozens - but you may want to rethink this one while you can, sugarcube.

Clint Cummins

Trad climber

SF Bay area, CA

Dec 5, 2012 - 04:56am PT

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

1. Stiff statics are actually pretty good, even though they are a pain to rappel on. Strong and easy to jug on.
2. I bet a lot of my ropes that I use for fixing are a lot worse than the ropes Steve had fixed.
Am I a "reasonable person" - well, maybe or maybe not. Remember we are talking about climbers here. I think you mean "reasonable wall climber".
3. Probably the fixed lines to Heart and on the East Ledges have often been in worse shape than Steve's. Often in place for over a year in the past....

mcreel

climber

Barcelona

Dec 5, 2012 - 08:04am PT

A thread about a thread? Can we take it to the next level?!

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Dec 5, 2012 - 08:14am PT

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Dec 5, 2012 - 09:02am PT

Da_Dweeb

climber

Dec 5, 2012 - 09:07am PT

A thread about a thread? Can we take it to the next level?!

John Butler

Social climber

SLC, Utah

Dec 5, 2012 - 09:13am PT

A thread about a thread? Can we take it to the next level?!

You mean a thread about threads that are about other threads? Only the Authorities could create such a thread.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Dec 5, 2012 - 09:15am PT

And granite climber jumps into the lead for coveted stoopidist thread of the month award!!

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Dec 5, 2012 - 09:32am PT

Said above:

"...you kinda sound like an immature whiny little bitch."

People need to just leave other peoples stuff alone. Theft is theft. I got nothing else.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Dec 5, 2012 - 10:11am PT

Fixed lines are not booty. Taking them is stealing. (unless replacing or removing a hazardous one)

Been that way for decades, actually centuries.

Projecting and leaving fixed lines may not be the greatest form (eye of the beholder here cause I could not care less) but it is a long time accepted practice in Yosemite.

From Warren Harding to Mikey Schaefer's new Father Time, hard free route on Middle C.

SCseagoat

Trad climber

Santa Cruz

Dec 5, 2012 - 11:02am PT

Wednesday morning while posting drunk?

My kind nature always gives the benefit of the doubt...

Susan

Edit: A ghost maybe?

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Dec 5, 2012 - 11:14am PT

Just because ropes are still and cable-like doesn't mean they are old and worn out. They are 11mil static lines, fat and not-stretchy

Peace

Karl

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Dec 5, 2012 - 11:32am PT

Wow, this could go down as the all-time lamest thread of the year. Granite climber, you are indeed a fine piece of work, hiding behind your worthless anonymity.

I have both jugged and rapped on Steve's ropes before they were stolen, and I can tell you that they are indeed old and stiff, and a bit sunbaked. They are not particularly abraded, and being 11mm caving rope, it scarcely matters.

And while they were very herky-jerky to rappel on, they were certainly very, very safe.

graniteclimber

Trad climber

The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 11:55am PT

Pass the Piton's Pete, who wrote this?

Fixed lines are banned altogether! We just "get away with it" in a few places, like the fixed ropes going up to the base of the Heart on the SW Face of El Cap, and also on the East Ledges descent.

Those ropes are all illegal. It's illegal to leave a rope fixed for more than 24 hours - that's the LETTER of the law. Linc and others have always enforced the SPIRIT of the law, whereby if it was obvious that the route was being worked, or the guys would be back next weekend or whatever, then the gear was left intact.

A few days or possibly even a week is reasonable - what happened on Mt. Watkins [or what Chongo did on Sea of Dreams] was very UNreasonable, and buggers it up for the rest of us.

YOU DID!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=228996&msg=239365#msg239365

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Dec 5, 2012 - 12:02pm PT

I just wanted to say THANK GOD we are finally getting some real climbing threads posted up. I'm just SO SICK of all those damn political threads with all their vitriol and name calling and melodrama.