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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
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A square foot of rock is very heavy.
No. It can vary from very light to very heavy. A cubic foot of stone is quite heavy.
In reading the story, it seems like a commissioned gig. Good luck finding the perps, or the buyer. These things happen on the DL for a reason. What high falutin buyer isn't going to cover his tracks when he commissions a theft?
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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10b4me-Yes,those were the ones I rode out to yesterday.Wanted to make sure they're still intact.All good(at that spot).Kinda surprised they weren't touched,the way access USED to be.A bike is the preferred approach vehicle now.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
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The BLM is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the thieves.
I don't know much about rewards in these situations, but $1,000 seems far too little. It's clear that the stolen things were worth much more to those who took them, or whoever was paying them, given the effort that they put into it.
The BLM and FS are so strapped for funds for even the most basic functions, I'm sure they have virtually no money for this sort of thing.
It wouldn't surprise me it they took up an office collection out of their own pockets.
I *am* surprised that the indian tribes are not contributing to this.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
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I *am* surprised that the indian tribes are not contributing to this.
come on Ken. Indian tribes contributing?
you know as well as I do that they don't have any money to contribute
edit: this is just another example of the Indians getting f*#ked over.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
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So, you're personally condemning the culprits to death Dean?
That doesn't seem very Christian of you. What gives?
An eye for an eye, right? Not death for a robbery.
I'd be stoked if they were caught, but death? How very reactionary of you.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
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"I *am* surprised that the indian tribes are not contributing to this."
Maybe they did contribute ... to the theft.
You gotta decorate those Indian casinos with something, and totem poles are getting kind of stale.
Inside job?
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cowpoke
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
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What high falutin buyer isn't going to cover his tracks when he commissions a theft? the same kind that hires guys that can't finish the job ("In addition to the four carvings that were stolen, one was defaced with deep saw cuts on three sides...) and drop some of the goods on the way out ("...and another was removed but apparently broke during the theft and was left propped against a boulder near the visitor parking lot.")
doesn't exactly sound like The Thomas Crown Affair.
either way, it is really sad.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:30pm PT
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What an incredibly heinous act.
Agree with earlier post: subject the perps to Tribal Law. Yikes!
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
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From todays Inyo Register we learn that the Bishop Paiute tribe has also put up $1000.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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maybe it's payback for the cave rock closure. sorry for my poor sense of humor
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:44pm PT
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I know but I couldn't resist. Indian casinos = good. climbing at cave rock = bad
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:47pm PT
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Ron, having spent a good part of my youth digging for UCLA, LA County Nat
History Museum, and even under Louis Leakey* I can assert that there is no
dearth of specimens sitting in untold numbers of boxes in museums far and wide.
99,9% of those specimens are superfluous and/or will never see the light of
day. That said, putting one more into yer pocket isn't likely to be a big
deal but few of us are qualified to determine whether that one could be
of real value to our understanding. I don't condone the picking of wildflowers, either.
But I do take a lot of pictures. ;-)
*Yeah, that got me in with all the hot girls. ;-\
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
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The USFS gets a minimal of triple to look over their land portion and get to charge outrageous rates to enter their parks (which entrance fees stay in that park)
The USFS does not administer parks. Your outrage is directed at a bunch of poorly paid public servants that have to do the almost impossible with nothing, and don't really deserve it.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
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It strikes me that this is an opportunity for the climbing community to be more than just takers and users.
I'm not familiar with the area, so have no first hand info, but are there climbing areas nearby? Common access roads? Anyone out there climbing might have seen something.
An effort by the community to help would probably be seen as a very positive act, both by the agency and tribe. Understand that the easiest action to take at this point is to restrict access. Various tribes could easily take this theft as a reason to keep climbers away from all of their land.
Anyone know anyone who might have been in that area? See something, say something.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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I'm not familiar with the area, so have no first hand info, but are there climbing areas nearby?
Ken, the picture I posted upthread is very near a climbing area
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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Anybody wanna climb in the gorge thurs.?
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
helena montana
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
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Looking back on it now I was a real "DICK" I used my climbing skills to rappel into "unexplored" cliff dewelling near Cortez and Blanding. and take pots and various artifacts,(in my youth)I justified it by knowing that the real archeologists were doing the same thing and keeping all the good stuff for their private collections.never ever did we destroy or deface something, If it could not be removed easily we left it there.Someday I'll donate it all including my many Clovis points and pottery.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
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Wyman,we should put you in a row boat and make you eat honey until you sh#t yerself!
Moose, Ron probably smoked a fatty back then and installed it.;)
check your email
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
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Should make the guilty party restore/recreate what they,ve damaged- using authentic tooling, clothing, and diet.
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Nov 20, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
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This is indeed a clear case of looting. There are plenty of folks who would argue against such smaller crimes like the occasional arrowhead find already discussed. And so it is the lesser actions where we have to define the line. And i was only half joking when i posted about the perp reconstructing it. Clearly that would be insufficient. But it would give them a clear understanding of what they destroyed and, id bet, a fair amount of misery as well.
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