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Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:02am PT
Certainly a crime against humanity, been happening for thousands of years. Our contemporaries are just the latest of looters, bastards.
Burt

Big Wall climber
Blue Diamond, NV
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:20am PT
This story just crushes me. My girlfriend who is a archeologist for the BLM talked to me about the reward because I too was livid about the low amount. There is no money in the budget. The BLM gets next to nothing in the way of funding (I don't have the exact figures but will when she gets home) for managing the millions and millions of acres that they have. The USFS gets a minimal of triple to look over their land portion and get to charge outrageous rates to enter their parks (which entrance fees stay in that park) and yet the BLM still brings in more money then all of the USFS due to land leases for powerlines, solar, wind projects, roads, etc. look deep down I hate the "man" closing my land down, but when I go to an area that is kept free from trash, dirtbikes, gun targets, and other crap that every Budweiser drinking, NASCAR watching idiot Emerican thinks they are entiled to leave in the wild I am glad I have organizations out there to protect what I love.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:26am PT
I hope that they pull the full CSI gig onto this. Tire tracks, evaluating the cut marks.

If it was very big, it would nigh take a winch to put it into a truck. A square foot of rock is very heavy.

Then when they catch them, they should stake them out on a red ant hill naked. Since cruel and unusual punishment is illegal, pull them off of the anthill after five minutes or so. That should do the job.

They can catch them if they can afford to put the resources into it. Hopefully they can afford it. If not, one of us should start a help and reward fund.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:28am PT
The punishment here is obvious...turn them over to the tribe.
Silver

Gym climber
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:33am PT
Dean good idea nothing like old Native American justice to cure the head of the idea of stealing history.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
helena montana
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:38am PT
Worked for years in oil exploration, when in the 4-corners area we always had BLM archeologist map out "arch sites" for us. They would tell us we could not even keep a arrowhead we found while they "pocketed" all the stuff they could. used their maps and raided all the sites on our daysoff.needless to say all the stuff that they mapped was already in their homes. another gov. agency...
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:48am PT
These types of people tend to brag about their deed, and usually to the wrong people. Add to this a reward being offered, and they will get caught.

splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:57am PT
Cragman - The punishment here is obvious...turn them over to the tribe.
If ya ever get the chance, be sure and read, "Gunfighters, Highwaymen & Vigalantes: Violance On The Frontier!" by Roger D. McGrath! Its supurbely researched and written (he is a history prof for UCLA). It is the history of 'the eastside' from around mid 1800's to early 1900's! Talks about the development of the area, particularly the gold/silver mining towns of Bodie & Aurora, but all the area including Bishop, Mammoth etc!

Anyway, it tells this story of a black prospector who got caught up in one of the battles that the US Calvary had during 'The Indian Wars' @1860's! He was just traveling through to Bodie at the time, but pitched in/got caught up in one particular battle just outside of Bishop. The Paiutes lost a couple of their members, and were pretty pissed about it. Evidently they managed to catch the black prospector as he made his way up to Bodie a few days later.

A few years later, after they had surrendered and moved to the 'rez', they started telling the story of how they had captured him (black prospector) and the 'squaws' had torchered him for three (3) days & three (3) nights before he succumbed to the torture and died!

YIKES!!!
throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Nov 20, 2012 - 11:49am PT
How old does graffiti have to be to be considered petroglyphs? I saw an article about slabs on the headwaters of the Ganges covered completely with ancient prayers carved into the granite. They are considered treasures. Try carving prayers on the slabs above Vernal falls and see how that's received. Will future archeologists who discover " Louie hearts Suzie" in an ancient subway tunnel feel the same as we do today about the petroglyphs? Perhaps. Please don't confuse my musings for support of the theft.
Too late for this...it has been painted over.
Too late for this...it has been painted over.
Credit: throwpie
Impaler

Social climber
Berkeley
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
Credit: Impaler

Credit: Impaler
Matt

Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
betchya these thieves aren't that smart-
probably recently used a credit card to purchase (locally or in Socal?) the necessary tools or blades.

this is one crime that i would think data mining software could help solve, especially if it gets enough attention. they'd just have to cross reference purchases of that sort of stuff with recent gas purchases on the eastside. betchya the list of matches with a criminal record is not that long.
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#274715
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
A square foot of rock is very heavy.

No. It can vary from very light to very heavy. A cubic foot of stone is quite heavy.


In reading the story, it seems like a commissioned gig. Good luck finding the perps, or the buyer. These things happen on the DL for a reason. What high falutin buyer isn't going to cover his tracks when he commissions a theft?
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
10b4me-Yes,those were the ones I rode out to yesterday.Wanted to make sure they're still intact.All good(at that spot).Kinda surprised they weren't touched,the way access USED to be.A bike is the preferred approach vehicle now.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
The BLM is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the thieves.

I don't know much about rewards in these situations, but $1,000 seems far too little. It's clear that the stolen things were worth much more to those who took them, or whoever was paying them, given the effort that they put into it.

The BLM and FS are so strapped for funds for even the most basic functions, I'm sure they have virtually no money for this sort of thing.

It wouldn't surprise me it they took up an office collection out of their own pockets.

I *am* surprised that the indian tribes are not contributing to this.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
The tribe has it's own way of contributing...

Scaphism.

The naked culprit would be firmly fastened within a back-to-back pair of narrow rowboats (or in some variations a hollowed out tree trunk), the head, hands, and feet protruding from this improvised container. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body so as to attract insects to the exposed appendages. They would then be left to float on a stagnant pond (or alternately, simply exposed to the sun somewhere). The defenseless individual’s feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed (and increasingly gangrenous) flesh. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock.

Either that, or make them read Dr. F's threads incessantly for life.

Equally vile.
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
I *am* surprised that the indian tribes are not contributing to this.

come on Ken. Indian tribes contributing?
you know as well as I do that they don't have any money to contribute

edit: this is just another example of the Indians getting f*#ked over.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
So, you're personally condemning the culprits to death Dean?

That doesn't seem very Christian of you. What gives?

An eye for an eye, right? Not death for a robbery.

I'd be stoked if they were caught, but death? How very reactionary of you.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
"I *am* surprised that the indian tribes are not contributing to this."


Maybe they did contribute ... to the theft.

You gotta decorate those Indian casinos with something, and totem poles are getting kind of stale.

Inside job?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
Ah western Racism alive and well, way to go OleMiss!

DMT
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