klk
Trad climber
cali
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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How do generators play into this? I know they were mentioned, but it doesn't add up.
don't know for sure-- it could just be a mistake. early reporting, especially, is often squishy on detail. but a portable generator would've left tracks in the sand, so blm may well be confident about that detail.
but i'm glad to see folks are responding so quickly to this.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 21, 2012 - 11:39am PT
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I was thinking tracks as well. But a 6k watt generator fits into 1/4 of your trucks bed (or the back of your Subaru for that matter). No need to tow.
The only thing I can think of is using a generator to run air chisels off of a compressor. But that doesn't add up. It may save time but adds a steady drone to the surrounding area that carries for quite a ways.
Cutoff saws are really loud, but they are portable and easily hidden. Not so much with a generator.
I'd make a great thief.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 21, 2012 - 11:57am PT
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I just heard a lengthy report about this on nationwide satellite radio. It's big news now.
This is beyond my ability to comprehend. As Werner might say...
Stupid Humans.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 21, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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Was checking for developments, still none I guess.
Generators? I wouldnt even think generators would be necessary, a cordless circular (or gas powered, like a chainsaw) with an abrasive blade in the soft pumicey volcanic rock is unfortunately prime for a smash and grab, even with heavy noise. I imagine these douches were in there and out of there fairly quick given the nature of the task.
Let the Paiute/Shoshone have at em when theyre caught. Whoevers responsible, local or not, should be relieved of the burden of their kneecaps.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 21, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
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From a mile away nobody would think a gas cutoff saw any different from
dueling dirtbikes. Besides, with a fresh blade that soft rock would only
take a few minutes.
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Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
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Nov 21, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
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More than likely a rig like this....with a pinhead attached.
 Missing photo ID#274928 |
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Gene
climber
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Nov 21, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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Here’s what I can’t figure. Regardless if this theft/desecration was a contract job or done on speculation, what possible jollies can the buyer get? I just don’t get it. Maybe I’m naïve about this stuff, but WTF? The ‘consumer’ can’t show it. Can’t sell it. Can’t brag about it. In spite of being repugnant on all levels, every aspect of it is on the wrong side of the risk-to-reward equation. Someone please explain to me why anyone would do or even contemplate doing something like this. Dumbfounded.
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Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
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Nov 21, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
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The stone will likely end up in someone's fireplace rockwork in a big McMansion in Mammoth....perish the thought.
EDIT: From the pics, that chainsaw rig may be the more likely culprit....the cut seems pretty wide.....wider than what a diamond circular saw would leave behind.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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A lot of work for rock, when out of its original environment has little value. Can not imagine anyone wanting this stuff after the publicity it has generated.
Could well be really dumb tweakers who thought these would be worth a fortune. They may well show up in an abandoned storage locker eventually.
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Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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I'm guessing these nutjobs will be caught in a matter of weeks.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
SLO, Ca
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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I think the idea of a secret rich collector is a little far fetched. Sounds more like some tweakers with a saw and a come-along.
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Tami
Social climber
Canada
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
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Has anybody thought of sending photos of the petroglyphs as they were when in situ to every real-estate agent in Mammoth ?
If the information of these artifacts possibly being part of stonework in a McMansion is out there, when buddy who owns the property comes to sell it, the artifacts will hopefully poison the sale of the property.
Why these idiots simply didn't COPY the petroglyphs into stone and make a replicate is beyond me.........must be somebody who really has no idea you can't brag about this shizz.
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Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal
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Nov 21, 2012 - 05:06pm PT
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I predict these nutjobs will be caught in a matter of weeks.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 21, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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It's interesting to hear the speculation about the best tool for the job.
I don't think they used the best tool, from the BLM description. I think they made due with the tools they owned.
After all, would you go out and spend a thou on a tool you have no other need for, which potentially makes you traceable, and which you may have no skills with? Or do you "get by" with what you've got? I think the criminal mind works more in the latter way.....
Or, they bought the cheapest thing that might do the job......
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Nov 22, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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Who knows the motivation behind this. Hopefully it is tweakers because the liklihood they are caught goes up.
If it is a rich private person maybe they just get off on hurting native americans kind of like skull and bones having the skull of Geronimo. In this case it most likely won't be discovered.
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Wildincognito
climber
Eastside
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Nov 22, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
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This thread has become a " how to" discussion and should be deleted.
Also stop making "non profit" funds that are related to climbing.
Nobody climbs where these were and the access fund should distance itself from this issue
There have been enough access issues in this region lately that climbers keep bring up and are in no way helping
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Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
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Nov 23, 2012 - 07:19am PT
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Wildincognito, I could not disagree more. History shows that when climbers or any other group take interest in ANY land issue, good things happen.
We ALL need to be good stewards of the lands we have, and when shameful events like this happen, we can all play a role in seeing that justice is had.
Our lands deserve this.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Nov 23, 2012 - 09:41am PT
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I also disagree. And being a Bishop local who is keen on improving the local view of climbers I have to say you are way off base. In light of some other recent issues in the tablelands this is a perfect opportunity for us to show that we care about the area and the Access Fund is the perfect non-profit to help us collect the money. Besides all they are doing is lending us their Tax I.D. number to accept tax deductible donations.
Secondly this is a nationwide news story and if the Access Fund is involved it can only improve their public profile. Seems like a good thing for everyone.
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