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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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1,000 reward???? That is not enough! No way!
Wow, and my deepest condolences. I can't imagine why anyone would do such a thing. Taking a picture is way more useful, portable and respectful.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 20, 2012 - 05:34pm PT
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...we should put you in a row boat and make you eat honey until you sh#t yourself! I think a 'canoe' wud be more appropriate, perhaps!
;)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
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Clearly a gas-powered cutoff saw with a diamond blade; no generator needed.
They woulda been pretty stoopid to buy it with a credit card unless they
bought it in LA.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
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This is a heinous act. I just sent a message to the Access Fund asking if they would consider offering help to the BLM to increase the reward, as a gesture of goodwill from the climbing community.
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Jim Hefner
climber
La Verne, CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
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The Access Fund idea is a good one. I mentioned in an earlier post I'll put in $1,000 for an arrest/conviction. Anyone else interested in contributing to the 'reward'? I'll put up a bond, into escrow, or whatever is the best vehicle for this type of thing. Please, someone take the point on this thing...
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
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Ya don't hafta buy a tool like the one that did that. They rent them, too.
Just sayin'.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
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Buy them, rent them. A thief would steal one, which means there's probably a legitimate working guy somewhere who is missing a saw right now.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
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It seems to me its amazing anything at all survives from the past.
coming for you next.
i need a liver.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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Jim Hefner, that is so generous of you. The Access Fund could probably coordinate that (an escrow fund) with the BLM for you and whomever else wants to contribute. I would chip in. I know they have an established relationship with the Bishop BLM.
I'll let you know what I hear back. It's the start of the Holiday period so if I don't hear anything I'll try to call them on Monday.
Phyl
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 21, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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Thanks Jim.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:07am PT
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Oh God, this makes me sick...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:55am PT
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Jim, I'll match that.
Us old sailors have to stick together!
I've emailed the BLM on how to coordinate.
Ken Murray
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Nov 21, 2012 - 03:04am PT
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Hey everybody, the access fund will be accepting donations through a fund started by a bay area climber.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/492810737418951/
The Bishop climbing community is very upset about this as all of you are. We hope this effort shows the BLM and locals that we (climbers) are able and willing to help protect the fragile area.
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Edge
Trad climber
New Durham, NH
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Nov 21, 2012 - 07:42am PT
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I just received this in my inbox this morning:
"In the absence of the sacred, nothing is sacred, everything is for sale."
 Oren Lyons, ONONDAGA
The Elders often say that when something is sacred it has spiritual value. You'll hear, on the Earth there are sacred spots. You'll hear, our ceremonies are sacred, our children are sacred, marriage is sacred. When something is sacred it means it's so holy you can't attach a value to it. Therefore, it's not for sale. It's an insult to suggest buying something sacred. On the other hand, if we look at it differently, as there is no sacred land, ceremonies are not sacred, our children are not sacred, etc., then everything is for sale. Sacredness creates spiritual space. Sacredness makes things holy. Sacredness shows respect for God.
Great Spirit, let me honor things that are sacred.
Hoping that the vandals are caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law, they will have to atone for this on many levels.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Nov 21, 2012 - 08:06am PT
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What do they think they're going to do with these carvings? Do people buy this stuff like stolen art? If it were worth any amount of money, the buyer would easily see on the internet that its hot. Who would even want something like this? It's just evidence you committed a crime.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Nov 21, 2012 - 08:45am PT
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I knew people would start upping the ante with the reward money. I see the tribe has kicked in an additional grand already. This was just too big an operation to keep totally off the radar. Someone will rat out the chopper if the reward is big enough
Jason (or anyone).. you should re-post later with a direct link once they get the kinks worked out with Access Fund and there is a direct link.
Side story about rewards: A buddy of mine works here in the Santa Monicas tracking the native cats. One of their radio-collared mountain lions showed up dead with the head cut off and the collar missing. Locals were pissed and started chipping in reward money, which eventually got over $10,000.00. The irony was that the hunter could have made bank if they had a buddy turn them in. The penalty for killing the lion was only a $1500.00 fine.
By comparison, this theft at the Tablelands is a much bigger deal and has really hit a nerve with the general public. The media coverage is world-wide, so I'm anticipating a pretty fat reward fund once they get the ball rolling.
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Jim Hefner
climber
La Verne, CA
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Nov 21, 2012 - 09:48am PT
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I'm happy to hear Access Fund is gonna help and this community is going to step up. Money, time, communications, word of mouth, etc.: It's all worthwhile.
Also, Ken, thanks for the assist!
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James Wilcox
Boulder climber
The Coast
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Nov 21, 2012 - 10:38am PT
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Justthemaid pointed out the real issue. The reward the BLM offered is rather low, most likely because they know that even if the thieves are caught and convicted the penalties are rather low.
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