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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 20, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
The USFS gets a minimal of triple to look over their land portion and get to charge outrageous rates to enter their parks (which entrance fees stay in that park)

The USFS does not administer parks. Your outrage is directed at a bunch of poorly paid public servants that have to do the almost impossible with nothing, and don't really deserve it.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 20, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
thropie: "How old does graffiti have to be to be considered petroglyphs?”

Dino Rock in Carson City sports some “old" graffiti. If I steal it now it would be a community service. Should I do it before it becomes a national treasure and sell it later?

Just kidding. But it does put this kind of art into perspective.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 20, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
It strikes me that this is an opportunity for the climbing community to be more than just takers and users.

I'm not familiar with the area, so have no first hand info, but are there climbing areas nearby? Common access roads? Anyone out there climbing might have seen something.

An effort by the community to help would probably be seen as a very positive act, both by the agency and tribe. Understand that the easiest action to take at this point is to restrict access. Various tribes could easily take this theft as a reason to keep climbers away from all of their land.

Anyone know anyone who might have been in that area? See something, say something.
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
I'm not familiar with the area, so have no first hand info, but are there climbing areas nearby?

Ken, the picture I posted upthread is very near a climbing area
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
Anybody wanna climb in the gorge thurs.?
frank wyman

Mountain climber
helena montana
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
Looking back on it now I was a real "DICK" I used my climbing skills to rappel into "unexplored" cliff dewelling near Cortez and Blanding. and take pots and various artifacts,(in my youth)I justified it by knowing that the real archeologists were doing the same thing and keeping all the good stuff for their private collections.never ever did we destroy or deface something, If it could not be removed easily we left it there.Someday I'll donate it all including my many Clovis points and pottery.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
Ron, are you saying that because the peace sign is old it is more valuable than the younger “art”?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
Wyman,we should put you in a row boat and make you eat honey until you sh#t yerself!


Moose, Ron probably smoked a fatty back then and installed it.;)

check your email
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
Should make the guilty party restore/recreate what they,ve damaged- using authentic tooling, clothing, and diet.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
Hillrat, that’s an interesting point. What if I steal/destroy Michaelangelo’s David? I think I can do it...

I know you are joking :-)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
Looting antiquities is as old as civilization. This has been going on for thousands of years. Sure there are diamond saw wielding tweakers / constuction workers with the 'skills' necessary to saw a panel out of a rock.

They built the pyramids without diamond saws. They looted them and then stripped them of cap stones, too.

Mayans... same thing.

On and on. It seems to me its amazing anything at all survives from the past.

DMT
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
This is indeed a clear case of looting. There are plenty of folks who would argue against such smaller crimes like the occasional arrowhead find already discussed. And so it is the lesser actions where we have to define the line. And i was only half joking when i posted about the perp reconstructing it. Clearly that would be insufficient. But it would give them a clear understanding of what they destroyed and, id bet, a fair amount of misery as well.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
1,000 reward???? That is not enough! No way!
Wow, and my deepest condolences. I can't imagine why anyone would do such a thing. Taking a picture is way more useful, portable and respectful.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 20, 2012 - 05:34pm PT
...we should put you in a row boat and make you eat honey until you sh#t yourself!
I think a 'canoe' wud be more appropriate, perhaps!

;)
rincon

Trad climber
SoCal
Nov 20, 2012 - 08:35pm PT

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/thieves-steal-3-500-year-old-rock-etchings-article-1.1204974
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
Clearly a gas-powered cutoff saw with a diamond blade; no generator needed.
They woulda been pretty stoopid to buy it with a credit card unless they
bought it in LA.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
This is a heinous act. I just sent a message to the Access Fund asking if they would consider offering help to the BLM to increase the reward, as a gesture of goodwill from the climbing community.
dave

climber
Earth
Nov 20, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
Nice phylp, i hope they do!!

Whats strange is that I live here and a few weeks before this incident there was a case of spray painting over by what we call the road side boulders up on the table land. There is also some petroglyphs close to the bouldering, that all the climbers have respected, so the BLM blocked the road off. Probably local kids being punks.
We all heard about this and were upset. But this latest, more heinous incident happened almost 3 weeks ago, and this is the first we are hearing about it. Why did it take so long for the word to get out? When was the article in the LA times?
Jim Hefner

climber
La Verne, CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
The Access Fund idea is a good one. I mentioned in an earlier post I'll put in $1,000 for an arrest/conviction. Anyone else interested in contributing to the 'reward'? I'll put up a bond, into escrow, or whatever is the best vehicle for this type of thing. Please, someone take the point on this thing...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
On Drudge now via the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9689548/Power-saw-wielding-thieves-steal-ancient-rock-carvings-in-worst-vandalism-ever.html
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