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Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 20, 2012 - 11:51am PT
C'mon, Brandon....have a sense of humor.

:)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
i wuz thinkin the same thing Crag,, thought yur descrip of the ant hill and honey was hilarious!


But i will ask the panel here,, how many of you have picked up a perfect arrowhead and snagged it for yourself?? I know i have. In the midwest,, when they turn the fields, its a veritable finders spree of arrowheads.
cowpoke

climber
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
What high falutin buyer isn't going to cover his tracks when he commissions a theft?
the same kind that hires guys that can't finish the job ("In addition to the four carvings that were stolen, one was defaced with deep saw cuts on three sides...) and drop some of the goods on the way out ("...and another was removed but apparently broke during the theft and was left propped against a boulder near the visitor parking lot.")

doesn't exactly sound like The Thomas Crown Affair.

either way, it is really sad.
Evel

Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
What an incredibly heinous act.

Agree with earlier post: subject the perps to Tribal Law. Yikes!
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
From todays Inyo Register we learn that the Bishop Paiute tribe has also put up $1000.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
maybe it's payback for the cave rock closure. sorry for my poor sense of humor
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
Any decent BLM LEO should be able to track this down. Heck, they may even get a little FBI help in SAT imagery who knows,, its been done before. Im willing to bet we see a solved case here, just time for the field and leg work..

And i would point out, that in THESE circumstances, everyone seems to be all for the FED leos in doing their jobs. Ya never need em until you need em. ;-) Heres a WHOOOWHAAAA to those LEOs working on this- a full felony violation. I can tell you from experience, they will get med-evil in their efforts.. And leave no stone un-turned.



ouwwch! Kenny-- wrong tribe.. Cave Rock is the Washoes.. Last thing on earth ya wann do is cornfuse the two lol!
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
I know but I couldn't resist. Indian casinos = good. climbing at cave rock = bad
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
Ron, having spent a good part of my youth digging for UCLA, LA County Nat
History Museum, and even under Louis Leakey* I can assert that there is no
dearth of specimens sitting in untold numbers of boxes in museums far and wide.
99,9% of those specimens are superfluous and/or will never see the light of
day. That said, putting one more into yer pocket isn't likely to be a big
deal but few of us are qualified to determine whether that one could be
of real value to our understanding. I don't condone the picking of wildflowers, either.
But I do take a lot of pictures. ;-)


*Yeah, that got me in with all the hot girls. ;-\
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
I hear ya Kenny. Maybe if the ACC were to approach them with $$$ we could re-do the cave? Im still quite sad over the whole thing- and especially disappointed with NDOT in that they dodged the whole affair and its THEIR property, bought and paid for when they blew the tunnels through.


Reilly,, true that- and of course many things were collected pre-antiquities acts.. One of my buddys retired from NDOT as an archaeologist- When they were putting the freeway extension through in carson, they went over the FIRST stage stop ever in the region- dug, cataloged and reburied it all and its now 40 feet under the freeway banks. I thought that odd- that they wouldnt take it to the state museum, but that was part of the deal i guess.

I have my small collection of NA artifacts- i think of them as reminders of who we are when it comes down to nature. My ancestors napped those heads out long ago too. I have a desert side notch out of pure white quarts that is nearly LASER straight,, thin as a dime and perfectly symmetrical. When i picked it up, i literally FELT the experience of the man who had created that. I nelt down in the ash and just held it - it consumed me for a bit.

The next camp over, the talent for heads was OBVIOUSLY still in the rookie stage and i began to get a feel for the camp, and its placement of people. Ive found Martis points extremely old in Dog Valley.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
The USFS gets a minimal of triple to look over their land portion and get to charge outrageous rates to enter their parks (which entrance fees stay in that park)

The USFS does not administer parks. Your outrage is directed at a bunch of poorly paid public servants that have to do the almost impossible with nothing, and don't really deserve it.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
thropie: "How old does graffiti have to be to be considered petroglyphs?”

Dino Rock in Carson City sports some “old" graffiti. If I steal it now it would be a community service. Should I do it before it becomes a national treasure and sell it later?

Just kidding. But it does put this kind of art into perspective.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 20, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
It strikes me that this is an opportunity for the climbing community to be more than just takers and users.

I'm not familiar with the area, so have no first hand info, but are there climbing areas nearby? Common access roads? Anyone out there climbing might have seen something.

An effort by the community to help would probably be seen as a very positive act, both by the agency and tribe. Understand that the easiest action to take at this point is to restrict access. Various tribes could easily take this theft as a reason to keep climbers away from all of their land.

Anyone know anyone who might have been in that area? See something, say something.
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
I'm not familiar with the area, so have no first hand info, but are there climbing areas nearby?

Ken, the picture I posted upthread is very near a climbing area
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
Moose,, at one time THE ONLY graffiti on Dino was the white peace sign- which was there as early as 1970. As for the other stuff, its punks and bangers.

may their makers help em if i ever catch em in the act.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
Anybody wanna climb in the gorge thurs.?
frank wyman

Mountain climber
helena montana
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
Looking back on it now I was a real "DICK" I used my climbing skills to rappel into "unexplored" cliff dewelling near Cortez and Blanding. and take pots and various artifacts,(in my youth)I justified it by knowing that the real archeologists were doing the same thing and keeping all the good stuff for their private collections.never ever did we destroy or deface something, If it could not be removed easily we left it there.Someday I'll donate it all including my many Clovis points and pottery.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
Ron, are you saying that because the peace sign is old it is more valuable than the younger “art”?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
Wyman,we should put you in a row boat and make you eat honey until you sh#t yerself!


Moose, Ron probably smoked a fatty back then and installed it.;)

check your email
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Nov 20, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
Should make the guilty party restore/recreate what they,ve damaged- using authentic tooling, clothing, and diet.
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