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GuapoVino

Trad climber
All Up In Here
Nov 19, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
Base, I never heard that anyone got busted for that but I was aware it was going on. Several years ago (late 80's early 90's) I, I mean some guy but definitely not me, used to sneak into the special use area and sometimes spend a few days exploring and poking around. Normally the plan was to park outside the refuge and come in from the north and climb the fence. There were a few places where the 8' high fence was cut and pulled back, sometimes opening up a section 50' wide or more. The perimeter fence stretched for miles so there may have been several other places opened up like that. It was pretty obvious what the neighboring land owner was doing, letting elk out onto his property.

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 19, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
Unfortunately there's a worldwide market for stolen works of art and antiquity and elephant tusks.......you name it.
Even for valuable pieces with no provenance (e.g. no valid paper trail).
Could be tweakers, more likely professional thieves. Until you also catch and jail the buyers the market will never dry up.
Really pisses me off. Almost makes me believe in capital punishment.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Nov 19, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
Just plain rotten. I hope they get busted and have their family tombstones violated. Dickheads.
dave

climber
Earth
Nov 19, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
Being a local resident of 14 years I am really bummed. I always like taking my friends and family when they are visiting to see these awesome petroglyphs. I hope they catch these dooshbags, and then scalpel their f*#king tattoos off their body, and sh#t why not have the local Paiutes remove their scalps while at it.
Fletcher

Trad climber
Fumbling towards stone
Nov 19, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
This is just plain terrible and heartbreaking.

This is like stealing the Mona Lisa; difficult to hide and going to be all but impossible to sell, unless it's been pre-sold (as some have suggested) to some evil Bond villain type who is only going to view it in the privacy of his secret lair. I have a feeling these goons will be caught. Not a lot of signs of higher intelligence here. :-(

Eric
Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Nov 19, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
good times before the white man
good times before the white man
Credit: Stewart Johnson
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 19, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
Reilly,
don't ask me how I know but the two suicides had an unanticipated impact on certain federal employees.
David Plotnikoff

Mountain climber
Emerald Hills, CA
Nov 20, 2012 - 02:38am PT
Maybe, just maybe, these guys grow a cerebral cortex and get off meth and grow into adults. Maybe. And at that point it hits them: The collective and suffocating weight of 60 generations of Paiutes pressing on their conscience.

Nah.

Hunt them down. Cut their balls off so they cannot reproduce.
new world order2

climber
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:19am PT
Brutal! I remember visiting the spot some ten years ago. We were a group of around six, and I recall everyone being very quiet, not having much to say. That place definitely had some magic/spirituality about it, that rubbed off on all of us at the time.

Mt. Tom, from the Haps park spot.
Mt. Tom, from the Haps park spot.
Credit: new world order2
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 20, 2012 - 04:52am PT
Fuggin' evil pigs.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their crotches!
martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
Nov 20, 2012 - 09:37am PT
This has now been picked up by the international press. Authorities will track these bums down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20404856
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Nov 20, 2012 - 09:55am PT
So terrible....there's always rich Germans, Russians, Japanese ...whatever, looking to buy something rare and unique like this. Hope that the publicity stops that this time and a swift discovery of the criminals leads to convictions for the greedy low life's who did this.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 20, 2012 - 09:56am PT
The depravity of some people is unbelievable. These things survive the ages and it only takes a few hours for a greedy idiot to destroy it. There should be a special level in hell designed for these as#@&%es where they get buggered by Richard Attenborough for all eternity.

It's hard to believe that this sort of thing goes on still. Pre-sold or shipped abroad for sure... or the collector did the deed them-self, since the advent of the internet would make these pretty hard to pass along to a regular retail buyer without detection.

Hopefully publicity will keep the ball rolling. Often private parties will start to add to the reward $ and eventually it will reach a $ amount that someone rats them out.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:02am PT
Certainly a crime against humanity, been happening for thousands of years. Our contemporaries are just the latest of looters, bastards.
Burt

Big Wall climber
Blue Diamond, NV
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:20am PT
This story just crushes me. My girlfriend who is a archeologist for the BLM talked to me about the reward because I too was livid about the low amount. There is no money in the budget. The BLM gets next to nothing in the way of funding (I don't have the exact figures but will when she gets home) for managing the millions and millions of acres that they have. The USFS gets a minimal of triple to look over their land portion and get to charge outrageous rates to enter their parks (which entrance fees stay in that park) and yet the BLM still brings in more money then all of the USFS due to land leases for powerlines, solar, wind projects, roads, etc. look deep down I hate the "man" closing my land down, but when I go to an area that is kept free from trash, dirtbikes, gun targets, and other crap that every Budweiser drinking, NASCAR watching idiot Emerican thinks they are entiled to leave in the wild I am glad I have organizations out there to protect what I love.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:26am PT
I hope that they pull the full CSI gig onto this. Tire tracks, evaluating the cut marks.

If it was very big, it would nigh take a winch to put it into a truck. A square foot of rock is very heavy.

Then when they catch them, they should stake them out on a red ant hill naked. Since cruel and unusual punishment is illegal, pull them off of the anthill after five minutes or so. That should do the job.

They can catch them if they can afford to put the resources into it. Hopefully they can afford it. If not, one of us should start a help and reward fund.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:28am PT
The punishment here is obvious...turn them over to the tribe.
Silver

Gym climber
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:33am PT
Dean good idea nothing like old Native American justice to cure the head of the idea of stealing history.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
helena montana
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:38am PT
Worked for years in oil exploration, when in the 4-corners area we always had BLM archeologist map out "arch sites" for us. They would tell us we could not even keep a arrowhead we found while they "pocketed" all the stuff they could. used their maps and raided all the sites on our daysoff.needless to say all the stuff that they mapped was already in their homes. another gov. agency...
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 20, 2012 - 10:48am PT
These types of people tend to brag about their deed, and usually to the wrong people. Add to this a reward being offered, and they will get caught.

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