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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
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Unfortunately there's a worldwide market for stolen works of art and antiquity and elephant tusks.......you name it.
Even for valuable pieces with no provenance (e.g. no valid paper trail).
Could be tweakers, more likely professional thieves. Until you also catch and jail the buyers the market will never dry up.
Really pisses me off. Almost makes me believe in capital punishment.
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
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Just plain rotten. I hope they get busted and have their family tombstones violated. Dickheads.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Fumbling towards stone
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
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This is just plain terrible and heartbreaking.
This is like stealing the Mona Lisa; difficult to hide and going to be all but impossible to sell, unless it's been pre-sold (as some have suggested) to some evil Bond villain type who is only going to view it in the privacy of his secret lair. I have a feeling these goons will be caught. Not a lot of signs of higher intelligence here. :-(
Eric
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
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Reilly,
don't ask me how I know but the two suicides had an unanticipated impact on certain federal employees.
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David Plotnikoff
Mountain climber
Emerald Hills, CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:38am PT
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Maybe, just maybe, these guys grow a cerebral cortex and get off meth and grow into adults. Maybe. And at that point it hits them: The collective and suffocating weight of 60 generations of Paiutes pressing on their conscience.
Nah.
Hunt them down. Cut their balls off so they cannot reproduce.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:52am PT
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Fuggin' evil pigs.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their crotches!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nov 20, 2012 - 09:55am PT
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So terrible....there's always rich Germans, Russians, Japanese ...whatever, looking to buy something rare and unique like this. Hope that the publicity stops that this time and a swift discovery of the criminals leads to convictions for the greedy low life's who did this.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Nov 20, 2012 - 09:56am PT
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The depravity of some people is unbelievable. These things survive the ages and it only takes a few hours for a greedy idiot to destroy it. There should be a special level in hell designed for these as#@&%es where they get buggered by Richard Attenborough for all eternity.
It's hard to believe that this sort of thing goes on still. Pre-sold or shipped abroad for sure... or the collector did the deed them-self, since the advent of the internet would make these pretty hard to pass along to a regular retail buyer without detection.
Hopefully publicity will keep the ball rolling. Often private parties will start to add to the reward $ and eventually it will reach a $ amount that someone rats them out.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:02am PT
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Certainly a crime against humanity, been happening for thousands of years. Our contemporaries are just the latest of looters, bastards.
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Burt
Big Wall climber
Blue Diamond, NV
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:20am PT
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This story just crushes me. My girlfriend who is a archeologist for the BLM talked to me about the reward because I too was livid about the low amount. There is no money in the budget. The BLM gets next to nothing in the way of funding (I don't have the exact figures but will when she gets home) for managing the millions and millions of acres that they have. The USFS gets a minimal of triple to look over their land portion and get to charge outrageous rates to enter their parks (which entrance fees stay in that park) and yet the BLM still brings in more money then all of the USFS due to land leases for powerlines, solar, wind projects, roads, etc. look deep down I hate the "man" closing my land down, but when I go to an area that is kept free from trash, dirtbikes, gun targets, and other crap that every Budweiser drinking, NASCAR watching idiot Emerican thinks they are entiled to leave in the wild I am glad I have organizations out there to protect what I love.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:26am PT
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I hope that they pull the full CSI gig onto this. Tire tracks, evaluating the cut marks.
If it was very big, it would nigh take a winch to put it into a truck. A square foot of rock is very heavy.
Then when they catch them, they should stake them out on a red ant hill naked. Since cruel and unusual punishment is illegal, pull them off of the anthill after five minutes or so. That should do the job.
They can catch them if they can afford to put the resources into it. Hopefully they can afford it. If not, one of us should start a help and reward fund.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
helena montana
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:38am PT
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Worked for years in oil exploration, when in the 4-corners area we always had BLM archeologist map out "arch sites" for us. They would tell us we could not even keep a arrowhead we found while they "pocketed" all the stuff they could. used their maps and raided all the sites on our daysoff.needless to say all the stuff that they mapped was already in their homes. another gov. agency...
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:48am PT
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These types of people tend to brag about their deed, and usually to the wrong people. Add to this a reward being offered, and they will get caught.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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Cragman - The punishment here is obvious...turn them over to the tribe. If ya ever get the chance, be sure and read, "Gunfighters, Highwaymen & Vigalantes: Violance On The Frontier!" by Roger D. McGrath! Its supurbely researched and written (he is a history prof for UCLA). It is the history of 'the eastside' from around mid 1800's to early 1900's! Talks about the development of the area, particularly the gold/silver mining towns of Bodie & Aurora, but all the area including Bishop, Mammoth etc!
Anyway, it tells this story of a black prospector who got caught up in one of the battles that the US Calvary had during 'The Indian Wars' @1860's! He was just traveling through to Bodie at the time, but pitched in/got caught up in one particular battle just outside of Bishop. The Paiutes lost a couple of their members, and were pretty pissed about it. Evidently they managed to catch the black prospector as he made his way up to Bodie a few days later.
A few years later, after they had surrendered and moved to the 'rez', they started telling the story of how they had captured him (black prospector) and the 'squaws' had torchered him for three (3) days & three (3) nights before he succumbed to the torture and died!
YIKES!!!
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throwpie
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:49am PT
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How old does graffiti have to be to be considered petroglyphs? I saw an article about slabs on the headwaters of the Ganges covered completely with ancient prayers carved into the granite. They are considered treasures. Try carving prayers on the slabs above Vernal falls and see how that's received. Will future archeologists who discover " Louie hearts Suzie" in an ancient subway tunnel feel the same as we do today about the petroglyphs? Perhaps. Please don't confuse my musings for support of the theft.
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Impaler
Social climber
Berkeley
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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betchya these thieves aren't that smart-
probably recently used a credit card to purchase (locally or in Socal?) the necessary tools or blades.
this is one crime that i would think data mining software could help solve, especially if it gets enough attention. they'd just have to cross reference purchases of that sort of stuff with recent gas purchases on the eastside. betchya the list of matches with a criminal record is not that long.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
member since 2002
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
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