kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Nov 19, 2012 - 08:20am PT
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I don't think the type of people who do this sh#t do it because they are hurting. It seems a little different than stuffing a pound of ground round down your pants at the local supermarket.
Ron, I thought they were one size fits all.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Nov 19, 2012 - 08:28am PT
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Youd be surprised what artifacts will sell for Kenny! A few NV historical buildings out in the middle of the state were torn down, stolen for the old barnwood- which sells in NYC for a premium!
edit: naw,, there are 12",, 18" 6",, covers to fit every hole you can think of!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Nov 19, 2012 - 08:32am PT
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No, I wouldn't I would be suprised if this was a person that resorted to this because they couldn't find a job.
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The Alpine
climber
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Nov 19, 2012 - 08:41am PT
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Definitely not good for future access...
Save us from ourselves Mr Government!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 19, 2012 - 08:56am PT
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The eastside is small..Sooner than later , word will leak out and the vandalists will be caught...Don't worry...
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:01am PT
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Looks like the works of some who really knew what they were doing.
Professionals.
I doubt these guys who did this will even try to unload this anywhere near the east side.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:02am PT
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another avenue for cash another avenue for ... GREED ... is more like it!!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:05am PT
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Kenny T writes:
"No, I wouldn't I would be suprised if this was a person that resorted to this because they couldn't find a job."
No. Dude did it because he's a useless thief, nothing more.
Those 'glyphs have been there practically forever. They were there through every single recession / depression this country has ever seen. They were even there through the Great Depression and the Jimmy Carter Recession ( which was a hell of a lot more severe than what's going on right now ) when there were many more people looking for jobs.
The petroglyphs are gone now because someone is a useless thief with no goddamn morals.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:09am PT
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As Biotch noted the perps almost surely had pre-sold it as in a high percentage
of art thefts. This sort of desecration is very odd to me in that the buyer
will now have pieces that are rather 'challenging' to display, to say the
least. They would also be virtually impossible to establish a faux provenance
for as opposed to a looted pot or basket. I guess I have to admit the buyer
must be a strangely honed aesthete to want to sit and admire his new pieces
knowing how he came by them. He, almost surely, must also have a perversely
refined circle of friends. But I suppose this is just our American Wild West
version of the nouveau riche Russian oligarch buying a purloined Modigliani.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:12am PT
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If they were religious symbols, they have no place on public land.
Maybe the A.C.L.U. did it.
Or these guys:
http://www.au.org/
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:14am PT
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thief ... no goddamn morals
Sort of an oxymoron.
A thief who appears to have morals is just a thief who fears something. Morals require respect for your fellow man and thieves just don't have it.
It's a sad day when someone takes artifacts like that.
Dave
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Jerry Dodrill
climber
Sebastopol
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Nov 19, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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This really saddens me. Its hard to know the reasons for the theft, but it reminds me of the work done by "archaeologists" around the world, such as at the Bezeklik Buddha Caves in Xinjing, China. Many of their best frescos were gouged from the walls by European archaeologists and now live in museum collections in Chicago and London.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 19, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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This sort of crime might restrict vehicle access to areas, making it harder to truck equipment in and loot out is a probable solution. I doubt they would want to restrict climbers walk in access, as climbers are the eyes and ears for the authorities.
I do not think climbers would be suspects, unless the high stuff was removed in good style, on lead.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Nov 19, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
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Just rode out there.It's not the ones I was thinking of.As far as road access,it's already happened at one area.This just really sux.Let's all keep our collective ear open.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
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It's painful to watch that video. It's been there for 3,000 years, and some douche-bag comes along and chops it. Not only took that particular piece, but it desecrated the whole site.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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1st step in an investigation would be to fiure out what sort of equipment is needed. Possibly it can be traced that way.............it could be someone local, but it could be someone from out of the area, in which case it would be harder to trace.
It would be great if the East Side climbing community could help apprehend the culprits, as that might make the BLM feel we are part of the solution, not part of the problem.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
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it had to be someone who either is or was a local.
and it's pretty unlikely that it was done on spec-- more likely there was a buyer ahead of time. and yeah, it won't be part of a public exhibit-- more like, headed to a mcmansion near you.
probably multiple perps. at least one generator. the cuts themselves look sort of amateurish. and some of the damage looks gratuitous, like they were just smashing stuff to smash it. so either somebody really local who thinks they have a beef against the paiutes or else just a drunk tweaker.
so someone who either is or was local, who does at least some masonry or stone construction work, who owns or has access to a generator and a cut-off saw, but with some kind of relationship to a collector wealthy enough to want stuff like this for a mcmansion/private collection and who cares enough that he is willing to pay full dollar for the real deal rather than just having someone make copies.
the downside is that it may be someone from around bishop who has since moved off to tahoe or la and did a quick homecoming to source for a tahoe or la sale. but seems like there's also a chance that it was someone stupid enough to be involved in one of those local mcmansions. in which case, we might get lucky and catch the f*#kers.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
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Nov 19, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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First thing i thought of as ive been through these things before,, was to do a quick search or new houses being constructed in the area.. Say a fiddy mile radius. I see it as part of a fire place mantle or some pillar feature. Looking for a custom home here. Not tract housing.
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Jim Hefner
climber
La Verne, CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 02:38pm PT
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I got another $1,000 for info leading to a conviction.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 19, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
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They need to put hunter's trail cameras around some of the best glyph sites. You know, hide them and they get set off by movement. Cheap. I would guess that the perps will lay low after all of this publicity.
Why would anyone even WANT petroglyphs? Is there a market for them?
The USFWS caught a rancher cutting his fence to let elk out of the Wichita Mountains and on to his land. The state allows Elk hunting on private land here, and those ranchers charge an arm and a leg for access.
So they cut the game fence around the refuge.
They set up some trail cams with video about ten years ago and caught one guy. Right in the middle of it all he pulls out his johnson and takes a piss. He was majorly busted over it.
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