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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 14, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
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I stopped getting the flu when i started drinking bong water...RJ
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:14am PT
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no
1) evolution is a lie propagated by the liberal media, and i've had the flu once...
2) i prefer to be a silent carrier, and help weed out the meek...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:38am PT
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I always knew that most climbers were paranoid schizos without the ability
to do a simple cost/benefit analysis:
Downside: yer out $10 and an hour
Upside: You are almost completely assured of not getting the flu.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 01:59am PT
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yes
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:06am PT
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No cause I'm lazy and cheap and don't think about it.
Hmm those add up to Idiot ..
Well not the first time I've been guilty of that I suppose.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:11am PT
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It's odd to hear how many folks think they are somehow 'acquiring' or developing specific flu antibodies by some process other than a vaccine or actually getting a given flu. As bewildering is the implication that being 'healthy' means your immune system has more than a nominal defense against a novel flu strain. If a novel strain of flu comes along a real 'healthy' immune system is the last thing on the planet you want.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:31am PT
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Naw, I love a good flu now and then. It really puts things into perspective.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Nov 15, 2012 - 02:58am PT
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never had never will
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:06am PT
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I have had some strain of flu or a influenza-like illness, that I picked up as a teacher, from kids in the classroom. 2 times; oddly right before Christmas. I would miss the last week of school prior to the holidays and not really gain all of my strength back until a few days prior to the end of the holidays. The little body snatchers made me a real grinch.
I was a good target for the invasion due to a weakened immune system from stress and lack of sleep.
However an internal debate goes on whether or not to change my policy. I have developed asthma; seemingly overnight. Asthma greatly increases the risk of the flu; but I have also reduced my chances by removing myself from the schoolhouse. About the biggest crowd I face now is at a traffic light.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:13am PT
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Yep, every year. And every year, it seems, I talk with some very sick people who wish they'd gotten one too.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:20am PT
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Yes, every year. It's cheap and there is little downside.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:05am PT
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Not at all surprising healyje and Ed are big advocates of vaccinations.
huh?
as a personal choice, I answered with a single word, "yes"
nwo spun something much bigger out of that...
I also posted the Wiki reference to the 1918 pandemic which was rather large, and had developed a strain that seemed to be particularly lethal by invoking an out of control immune system response, with a lethality peak in those otherwise strong and healthy age group...
this is just information... I'm sure there are those out there who see dark conspiracy everywhere, but you have a choice too...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:24am PT
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Caveman - you just posted an ancient anti-vaccine rant from Eleanor McBean who was a lunatic in the best sense of the word. Did you actually read it? You know, the part where she says disease isn't caused by germs? Here are some other gems from her repertoire.
These mythical anti-bodies are said to make war on disease germs. But germs are not the cause of disease in the first place and are useful wherever they are found in nature [...]
Disease is not something to be cured; it is a cure.
These diseases [measles, chicken-pox, mumps, scarlet fever] are not contagious but are merely cleansing measures of the body[...]
That her tracts have been revived to see the light of day on the internet is a breathtaking example of technology use by the miseducated.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative."...
and for a brain tumor???...
An ENEMA will usually cure it???...
"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment"...
and FYI dingleberries are GREAT for getting rid of unwanted guests!!!...
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http://www.drlisawatson.com/elderberry-flu-fighting-fruit
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11399518
Brain tumor? Yeah, there is probably nothing to this or maybe you are just putting whatever in the wrong place.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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There are those who claim Pasteur was wrong on 'germ theory' and Antoine Bechamps 'terrain theory' is right. They even claim Pasteur recanted on his deathbed, which is a lie.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:44am PT
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I posted the link not knowing anything of the author by mainly for the title and maybe she is nuts. I guess the lesson is do your research and read carefully. As for the elderberry ,IMHO there is quite a bit of study applied to the flu fighting capabilities associated with it. As for me being "miseducated".............. could be.
"Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim."
LOL!
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:52am PT
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I got one about 15 years ago. Our daughter was 2 or 3 years old and we had a rush of parental responsibility to our heads. I ended up with Guillan-Barre Syndrome, the paralysis starting in the feet and moving upwards until it paralysis your autonomic nervous system and you stop breathing. Didn't get to the last part fortunately. I'm the 1 in 100,000 you read about on the insert! What a privelege! My wife became allergic to all sorts of stuff she'd never had problems with before.
I would avoid it, ever. I think it's a scam by the drug companies to make a lot of money every year out of people's fear. In a practical sense, it's useless because, like Tami said, they guess which one will be the dominant strain for the year so they can grow it up and process it in time for flu season. If you notice, they never get it right, either.
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