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roadman
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 14, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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Just wondering if climbers out there are following the recommendation of the US CDC and Canada's Health agency?
If not, why?
If so, thanks!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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No, never, don't ever get sick.
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roadman
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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How many people have you gotten sick?
Sorry, the scientist in me made me ask...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
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If not, why?
Is that a rhetorical question? Aside from those of us smart enought to get
the flu shot I'm sure those others never listened to their moms' orders not
to run with sharpened pencils or scissors.
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eKat
Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
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Never!
One month of the Wellness Formula between Thanksgiving and Christmas hasn't let me down in well over 20 years.
YAY!
I used to get the Mammoth Crud during early season training - when all the new employees spread their slime. . . then I learned about the Wellness Formula from a brilliant gal at the healtfood store and. . . the Crud and all its buddies were history!
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Donald Thompson
Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
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The first thing I did today was get up and check the latest recommendations from federal bureaucratic agencies on how best to manage my immune system.
Question: Should Obama and the Democrats levy a tax against the flu?
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Norte_Caroliña_Climber
Gym climber
BigWall Baller From the Holler
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
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No sir. Don't believe in em.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
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No, neither of us do. Why? Because we're (thank the powers that be) healthy, we are not elderly, we have never gotten the shots before and rarely, if ever, get the flu (knocking on wood). So am I superstitious? Maybe a bit! : ) Plus our doctors agree that we don't need the shot at this point.
Now, if you have an autoimmune disease or are otherwise comprimised in your health, perhaps you should get the flu shot. If you travel a lot especially overseas, perhaps you should get the shot. It's probably recommended for people with small children. It really depends on your personal situation and your health - best to discuss with your own doctor to see if you really should get it.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Nov 14, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
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Never got a flu shot or the flu in 48 years. I never get sick (except Dengue) and assume its because of my regular exercise. My diet consists of crap like fried chicken and bags of doritos but I don't have high colesteral, high blood pressure, or any other problem I know of. I also don't need more than 6 hours sleep. I attribute all of it to a regular workout routine that I've had for years.
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Tami
Social climber
Canada
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Nov 14, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
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Never had a flu shot. Won't ever have one. I believe that, for starters, it's somewhat of a false premise - as I understand it, the shot has in it flu strains "they " think will "be going around" for the given "flu season".
So what if something new comes up ?
I had a mild case of the H1N1 a few years ago - caught it in hospital while there with my husband ( on unrelated reasons ) . He caught it too.
Other then that, I get a few colds and G-I tract stuff every now & then.
I am not a believer of gov't propaganda for the most part. But it is hard deciphering the bs from the cream.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Nov 14, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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No. Well once. When on chemo my oncologist made me have it. I've never had the flu and have no interest in getting the shot.
Susan
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Nov 14, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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No, because I was raised on the titty.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 14, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
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Definitely as I'm prone to respiratory problems but would regardless.
Yes, it's a 'best guess' of what strains may appear this season and until we have a universal vaccine that's the best that we can do. If you're old you actually have a better chance of fighting off a really bad flu strain; it's the young with highly reactive immune systems who have the tough go.
The vaccine insanity is just that - complete anti-science hysteria. Might as well be trying to get the moon out of the pond with pitchforks. If only they had a vaccine against ignorance and stupidity.
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rrider
climber
Mckinleyville, Ca
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Nov 14, 2012 - 02:36pm PT
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__ck No!
Because my Neanderthal ancestors didn't need it either.
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gonzo chemist
climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Nov 14, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
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No.
But two winters ago, in January, I did get the flu (for the first time in like 15 years). HO MAN. It was bad. Seems like flu strains have gone the way of pot strains. STRONG.
I was completely incapacitated for like 72 hours. I basically couldn't even get out of bed to get a glass of water, I was so sick and weak. Full recovery took 10-12 days. If I were old, I probably would actually have died.
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crøtch
climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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No. I don't work or live with infants or seniors. I'm middle aged and healthy, haven't missed more than a day or two of work for illness in a decade and would rather let my immune system handle what's out there so that I build up my memory cell repertoire.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
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Sometimes, like this year, when I don't flake.
__ck No!
Because my Neanderthal ancestors didn't need it either.
Your Neanderthal ancestors didn't need it because the flu virus had not evolved to infect people. That happened in the last few thousand years when humans domesticated pigs and other animals that carried the ancestors to the modern flu virus, and the close association between humans and these animals enabled the flu ancestor to jump from animals to people.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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I work in the ER and swab kids noses nearly every shift that come back positive for some strain of the flu. This year I did, primarily because it was somewhat mandated by my employer. You had an option though, get the shot or wear a mask from November to April.
I agree that general health and a strong immune system are probably the best defenses and I've not been a proponent of flu shots in the past, although my opinion has changed since I am working in health care now.
Several years ago I was spouting a lot of the same reasons already mentioned by other posters here in this thread, for not getting a flu shot to a friend of mine who works for the CDC. She said that if I ever got what actually is considered the flu and experienced the 72 hours or so of pure hell associated with it, that I would be likely to get one in the future. According to her a lot of people consider things that aren't the flu to be the flu. Apparently the actual influenza is terrible and will make you want to get a shot in the future. It's not just some nausea and vomiting, it's much worse and all body encompassing.
Hmmm.... lets hear some stories!!
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 07:37pm PT
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No, I never do...
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Brian
climber
California
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Nov 14, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
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Never got a flu shot until, in my mid to late 30s I actually got the flu. I mean, I'd been sick a few times before growing up, but I'm generally pretty damn healthy (malaria and other crazy traveling shite aside).
In any case, oh man, did the flu suck. I think in retrospect that it was actually the first time I'd ever gotten the flu, cause it made me really sick. I thought I was gonna die (not really, of course, but it sure felt like it--my fecking hair hurt!). After that experience, I get the flu shot each year. Cheap and easy and I don't need to worry about that shite anymore.
Yes, they can can be off in their predictions of flu mutations and you can get sick, but you might get some partial immunity.
As someone above said, if you really get the flu, a real hard core flu, you'll reconsider that shot. YMMV.
Brian
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Nohea
Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
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Nov 14, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
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No I dont but I have always said I am a walking antibody. Also I give a pint of blood every 8 weeks or so and I remember the literature saying you have to wait for some period if you get a vaccince. Since many get the flu but only 2% donate blood, I'll stick with being a 2%er!
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 14, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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It's free at Kaiser and I'm a member, so I do get one each year. Notice some upper respiratory symptoms 3 to 5 days later. Stopped having colds a few years ago. Guess I got out of the habit? Never had flu after getting a shot though.
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john hansen
climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
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No hair,,, oops,, I mean Nohea. I have only had the flu once since moving to the Big Island 24 years ago. Good air we get out here...
I called the emergency room when my temp hit 103 and asked if I should come in. That was after a hard day at work . i think I still had a couple beers that night.
Aloha
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 14, 2012 - 08:19pm PT
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As a prime opportunity awaits
----please let me remind those of your not getting
Flu Shots!
Yer'e gonna Die!
I have suffered a flu shot (free with my Blue Cross Obama-Care Insurance,) every year for the last 10 or so, and I am:
obviously and obnoxiously
Alive!
On the other hand! Donald Thompson! Please continue to boycot those evil Obama-care Flu Shots!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 14, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
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I stopped getting the flu when i started drinking bong water...RJ
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 14, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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no
1) evolution is a lie propagated by the liberal media, and i've had the flu once...
2) i prefer to be a silent carrier, and help weed out the meek...
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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This year I did because last year I got so fuking sick I was down for the count for 16 days, lost a large amount of weight, almost got 911'd by,
Dr Mary Fists Mealot...
EDITED:
So I guess my answer is NO...
Not every year...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
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I always knew that most climbers were paranoid schizos without the ability
to do a simple cost/benefit analysis:
Downside: yer out $10 and an hour
Upside: You are almost completely assured of not getting the flu.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
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yes
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 14, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
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No cause I'm lazy and cheap and don't think about it.
Hmm those add up to Idiot ..
Well not the first time I've been guilty of that I suppose.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 14, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
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It's odd to hear how many folks think they are somehow 'acquiring' or developing specific flu antibodies by some process other than a vaccine or actually getting a given flu. As bewildering is the implication that being 'healthy' means your immune system has more than a nominal defense against a novel flu strain. If a novel strain of flu comes along a real 'healthy' immune system is the last thing on the planet you want.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 14, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
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Naw, I love a good flu now and then. It really puts things into perspective.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Nov 14, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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never had never will
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new world order2
climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 03:21am PT
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Fck no! That shite is poison.
What is with the recent push by government and health officials to vaccinate us....against everything? A child today, by age 13, has received some 25 vaccinations. Freakin' nonsense. No wonder autism is going thru the roof. Our children are being poisoned.
As bewildering is the implication that being 'healthy' means your immune system has more than a nominal defense against a novel flu strain. If a novel strain of flu comes along a real 'healthy' immune system is the last thing on the planet you want.
^^^ Huh? WTF? So, wanting a healthy immune system is the last thing I would want to fight a novel strain of flu?
Not at all surprising healyje and Ed are big advocates of vaccinations. They are, The Man. They would love nothing more than to see all vaccinations mandatory, GMO food pushed down our throats, fluoride in our drinking water, and every one of us implanted with RFIDs.
healyje, Ed, where will you your RFID implant? Please answer.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Nov 15, 2012 - 05:06am PT
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I have had some strain of flu or a influenza-like illness, that I picked up as a teacher, from kids in the classroom. 2 times; oddly right before Christmas. I would miss the last week of school prior to the holidays and not really gain all of my strength back until a few days prior to the end of the holidays. The little body snatchers made me a real grinch.
I was a good target for the invasion due to a weakened immune system from stress and lack of sleep.
However an internal debate goes on whether or not to change my policy. I have developed asthma; seemingly overnight. Asthma greatly increases the risk of the flu; but I have also reduced my chances by removing myself from the schoolhouse. About the biggest crowd I face now is at a traffic light.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 15, 2012 - 06:13am PT
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Yep, every year. And every year, it seems, I talk with some very sick people who wish they'd gotten one too.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Nov 15, 2012 - 06:20am PT
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Yes, every year. It's cheap and there is little downside.
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 07:52am PT
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"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative."...
and for a brain tumor???...
An ENEMA will usually cure it???...
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 07:54am PT
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"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment"...
and FYI dingleberries are GREAT for getting rid of unwanted guests!!!...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:05am PT
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Not at all surprising healyje and Ed are big advocates of vaccinations.
huh?
as a personal choice, I answered with a single word, "yes"
nwo spun something much bigger out of that...
I also posted the Wiki reference to the 1918 pandemic which was rather large, and had developed a strain that seemed to be particularly lethal by invoking an out of control immune system response, with a lethality peak in those otherwise strong and healthy age group...
this is just information... I'm sure there are those out there who see dark conspiracy everywhere, but you have a choice too...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:24am PT
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Caveman - you just posted an ancient anti-vaccine rant from Eleanor McBean who was a lunatic in the best sense of the word. Did you actually read it? You know, the part where she says disease isn't caused by germs? Here are some other gems from her repertoire.
These mythical anti-bodies are said to make war on disease germs. But germs are not the cause of disease in the first place and are useful wherever they are found in nature [...]
Disease is not something to be cured; it is a cure.
These diseases [measles, chicken-pox, mumps, scarlet fever] are not contagious but are merely cleansing measures of the body[...]
That her tracts have been revived to see the light of day on the internet is a breathtaking example of technology use by the miseducated.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:28am PT
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"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative."...
and for a brain tumor???...
An ENEMA will usually cure it???...
"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment"...
and FYI dingleberries are GREAT for getting rid of unwanted guests!!!...
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http://www.drlisawatson.com/elderberry-flu-fighting-fruit
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11399518
Brain tumor? Yeah, there is probably nothing to this or maybe you are just putting whatever in the wrong place.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:34am PT
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There are those who claim Pasteur was wrong on 'germ theory' and Antoine Bechamps 'terrain theory' is right. They even claim Pasteur recanted on his deathbed, which is a lie.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:43am PT
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Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:44am PT
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I posted the link not knowing anything of the author by mainly for the title and maybe she is nuts. I guess the lesson is do your research and read carefully. As for the elderberry ,IMHO there is quite a bit of study applied to the flu fighting capabilities associated with it. As for me being "miseducated".............. could be.
"Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim."
LOL!
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:52am PT
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I got one about 15 years ago. Our daughter was 2 or 3 years old and we had a rush of parental responsibility to our heads. I ended up with Guillan-Barre Syndrome, the paralysis starting in the feet and moving upwards until it paralysis your autonomic nervous system and you stop breathing. Didn't get to the last part fortunately. I'm the 1 in 100,000 you read about on the insert! What a privelege! My wife became allergic to all sorts of stuff she'd never had problems with before.
I would avoid it, ever. I think it's a scam by the drug companies to make a lot of money every year out of people's fear. In a practical sense, it's useless because, like Tami said, they guess which one will be the dominant strain for the year so they can grow it up and process it in time for flu season. If you notice, they never get it right, either.
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:55am PT
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"I guess the lesson is do your research and read carefully"...
And yet you appeared to be giving ADVICE...
YIKES!!!...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:58am PT
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they guess which one
Uh, there's guessing and then there is scientific probability analysis.
I guess there might be a difference.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 08:59am PT
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No, the Elderberry research is interesting, but playing around with cytokine response is definitely a double-edged sword which can work both for and against you depending on the specific circumstances. While it may be helpful with more common flu strains, it may act as an 'accelerant' with those flu strains which promote cytokine storms.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:00am PT
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Locker, just sharing my opinion of elderberry. I am nothing close to a doctor.
" While it may be helpful with more common flu strains, it may act as an 'accelerant' with those flu strains which promote cytokine storms."
Good reason for doing your research before diving in.
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:01am PT
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and I'd like to share my expeience with GLUE...
The more you inhale, the less chance of getting the flu...
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:03am PT
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<--RN and doesn't flu vaccine. I just wear a mask during flu peak at work like im supposed to. I'll wait until I have a need for the vaccine.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:08am PT
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I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.
This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.
The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.
Hmmmmm.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:11am PT
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yet another inspiring thread, I see, telegraphing to all the universe our human savvy
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:11am PT
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"This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.
The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.
Hmmmmm. "...
^^^
PERFECT!!!...
LOL!!!...
It may have it's problems...
But I'm sticking with MODERN MEDICINE and scientific facts...
No hokus pokus BS for this old BOI!!!...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:12am PT
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I would avoid it, ever. I think it's a scam by the drug companies to make a lot of money every year out of people's fear. In a practical sense, it's useless because, like Tami said, they guess which one will be the dominant strain for the year so they can grow it up and process it in time for flu season. If you notice, they never get it right, either.
The manufacturers make very little money, if any, from it.
They virtually always get the strain right. What you notice are the infections among the people who did not get immunized......
Hmmmmm
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:14am PT
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(I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.)
"This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.
The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.
Hmmmmm."
I said 'immune response'. I did not say 'vaccine'. To further clarify..........the deaths in healthy people were due to immune response (cytokine storm).
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:24am PT
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Branscomb: I ended up with Guillan-Barre Syndrome, the paralysis starting in the feet and moving upwards until it paralysis your autonomic nervous system and you stop breathing. Didn't get to the last part fortunately. I'm the 1 in 100,000 you read about on the insert!
Did you have asthma, use an inhaler or have any other respiratory distress/issues prior to getting the shot? The 1976 vaccine prompted a lot of Guillan-Barre as an adverse reaction in an unusually high number of people, one of my climbing partners among them. His didn't stop and he ended up in an iron lung for months before it remissed and then he had to re-learn muscular control over his body and suffered the atrophy of a lot of small muscles which was tough as an artist.
But prior to the shot he suffered from chronic bronchial asthma and used an inhaler constantly in order to climb. Given we don't know what triggers Guillan-Barre syndrome (or asthmas) I believe there is some speculation that there maybe underlying issues with folks who have Guillan-Barre induced via the vaccine which was my reason for asking in your case.
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:26am PT
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Every year I get the flu vaccine is a year I don't get the flu. Strange coincidence, that ;). It takes a week or two to develop the secondary immune response, so you can still get the flu after getting the vaccine. So sometimes people erroneously think the vaccine gave them the flu they probably already had.
Personally, working in healthcare, I wouldn't want to wear a mask, and I don't want to go around killing all the old folks with my infection (they still have a lot of cool stories to tell and life to live).
I'm all for choice as regards taking the vaccine, but seeing the flimsy ass arguments against it is hilarious. Or maybe a little sad?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:27am PT
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Ok, the opportunity for a little education.
The manufacturers do not "guess" which strains to include in a vaccine. The flu circulates around the world, starting in East Asia, then spreading west. It takes about 9 months to make the journey to the US, then it starts again.
The problem with the vaccine arises when, during that journey, the virus mutates into another strain, and the new strain predominates. It is rare, but it happens.
The vaccine that is used these days are all three-strain containing. They contain last years predominant Type A strain (which always hangs around a bit), the predominant strain that has arisen this year in Asia, and the current circulating Type B strain (which changes much less fast)
The vaccine does give some protection to a newly arising strain, though.
Many, Many people confuse "influenza" with flu-like diseases, particularly colds. When I was practicing full time, I'd have 20 people/day come in complaining of the flu. PERHAPS one actually had it.
In my experiece, the symptom that most closely matched the disease was absolutely debilitating muscle fatigue and pain. Such that getting out of bed was something that required real determination.
The last time I got the flu, I was hospitalized for 4 days. Never again!
I get it every year, and always will.
Like an earthquake, we are overdue for a killing pandemic. It will happen, and when it does, it is going to be ugly.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:32am PT
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Speaking of disease reduction, I read an article about a study done at a prestigious university that stated they had isolated to essential oils that killed MRSA on contact. As I read I thought they will not tell in the article what oils were involved. They didn't. In fact when the study results became known funding for the study was dropped. Most likely reason was that it was not an exotic substance but one available in almost every garden. Not what the drug companies want to hear.
Another small trial examined possibilities that MRSA could be held in check by simply dispersing oils into atmosphere in clinics, hospitals. doctors retaliated saying it could not possibly be that simple. Money is the motivator and if it is not involved forgetaboutit!
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:34am PT
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Have you read the one about the tinfoil hat and aliens???...
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:49am PT
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"The effect of essential oils on methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus using a dressing model.
Or google: 'mrsa oil ncbi' to see a boat load of study abstracts on various oils..".
My point is that funding was dropped as said substances were common. There are many oils that might work. That came out as more study was done around the globe.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 15, 2012 - 09:57am PT
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I have gotten the flu vacine/shot every year since the early 80's except for two (2) years. I have only come down with the flu twice in about 30 years. Yep, it was during the two winters (flu seasons) that i didn't get a flu shot!
I haven't even gotten a common cold. But, the two years I did get the flu, it was hideous and lasted about 3 weeks! It was very hard to shake both times!
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 10:17am PT
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All the meat eaters get the flu because of all the antibiotics in the meat which lowers their immune system.
Eating tons of dead sh!t full of dumb drugs is sure way to fuk yourself up.
Then they need to fix that with another bunch of stoopid drugs.
Now lets watch all the knew jerk reactions to this.
Hahaha
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 10:20am PT
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"Eating tons of dead sh!t full of dumb drugs is sure way to fuk yourself up."...
Uh...
THAT's the POINT!!!...
http://www.cheebachews.com/...
Made from DEAD marijuana plants...
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Nov 15, 2012 - 10:50am PT
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(I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.)
"This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.
The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.
Hmmmmm."
The paragraph at the top is what I wrote. Below that is the response by Ken M. Aside from not understanding what I said just what is tinfoil hat about what I wrote? Please educate.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 15, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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1918 flu deaths... My mother lost seven (7) young brothers & sister during that outbreak. She wasn't born yet (was born later) but she had pictures of them, which she would occasionally bring out to look at, all her life. It was obvious that she mourned deeply for them.
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monolith
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albany,ca
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:02am PT
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Caveman, Ken likes to show what a professional he is and how uneducated the masses are so much that his reading comprehension is sometimes overwhelmed.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:02am PT
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nope.
what werner said
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Dave Kos
Trad climber
Temecula
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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My grandmother lost both her parents to the pandemic of 1918.
Few people today understand the impact of infectious disease on human history.
Immunizations are the most significant innovation in history.
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:12am PT
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Healyj: didn't go to the respiratory distress thing. I decided I should go see a doc when I couldn't feel my feet anymore and started having a lot of trouble walking. Before that, I thought my climbing shoes were just too tight. Oh boy. Fortunately there was a good neurologist here who knew right off what it was and put me in ICU in case I did crump. Seems like they constantly did ABGs and Respiratory capacity tests but it didn't go that far.
He got ahold of five vials of highly purified human IgG that was used by the military to vaccinate their people for HepA. It was so highly purified that there was zilch chance of transmitting HIV. By a competitive inhibition chemistry thing, the high concentrations of IV IgG given over five days knocked the IgMs off the protein sites of the long neuron myeline sheaths, stopping the complement cascade from further eroding the sheaths (which had caused the lack of neuron transmission, causing the paralysis) and allowed the sheaths to heal. The IgMs were gobbled up by phagocytes and eliminated from the system.
It's an interesting immune phenomenon, one theory being that some people are genetically inclined for this--they have this unique protein on their myeline sheaths that attracts these IgMs produced in the initial immune response to the vaccine. Another theory involves allergy to the denatured egg proteins produced in the purification of the vaccine after growing in eggs.
And, another theory is based on the observation that people who have had a Campylobacter jejeunii diarrea have a 20% chance of developing Guillan-Barre post-infection. C. jejunii is a real problem in mass egg producing operations as chickens are very prone to this disease. The bacteria can cross the egg shell and lodge in the egg protein. I had my vaccine in 1997 (I think) which was a year when something like 15-25% of people vaccinated contracted Guillan-Barre. In the last two years there has been some discussion revolving around the fact that the quality control on the chicken eggs used to grow the virus wasn't very good and that a lot of the eggs were infected with C. jejeunii. There were problems in the egg manufacturing sector at that time with C. Jejeunii infections in the chickens. Unfortunatley there isn't any vaccine left from that year to test for the presence of C. jejeunii antigen, so it's just an interesting theory.
Anyway, there weren't any residual effects in me at least. But, I attribute that to the fact that I was in very good physical shape. One other person here in town contracted GB at that time after a flu vaccine and after quite a struggle, she came back, but with a lingering numbness in her toes and soles of her feet. She's always been quite overweight.
I'm a med lab technologist so I'm not some layman about this stuff. I feel quite strongly that anyone who trusts what pharmacutical companies say about the 'wonders' they produce is rather foolish and naive. There are some pretty amazing things they can do...look at antibiotics and some other meds. But they're not in it for charity. It's about $$ and if you don't get that and stay highly circumspect about these things, you're going be in a lot of trouble.
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locker
Social climber
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Nov 15, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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If I am not mistaken, Ken M is or was a practicing Physician...
If anyone here (Other than another HIGHLY EDUCATED Physician) thinks they know more on this subject???...
LOL!!!...
Dream on!!!...
EDITED:
Think of it this way...
Who knows more about CLIMBING...
You, or that n00b that just got hired at REI that is POSITIVE he or she knows it ALL...
ROFL!!!...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 3, 6:03 PM (ET)
By MIKE STOBBE
NEW YORK (AP) - Flu season in the U.S. is off to its earliest start in nearly a decade - and it could be a bad one.
Health officials on Monday said suspected flu cases have jumped in five Southern states, and the primary strain circulating tends to make people sicker than other types. It is particularly hard on the elderly.
"It looks like it's shaping up to be a bad flu season, but only time will tell," said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The good news is that the nation seems fairly well prepared, Frieden said. More than a third of Americans have been vaccinated, and the vaccine formulated for this year is well-matched to the strains of the virus seen so far, CDC officials said.
Higher-than-normal reports of flu have come in from Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas. An uptick like this usually doesn't happen until after Christmas. Flu-related hospitalizations are also rising earlier than usual, and there have already been two deaths in children.
Hospitals and urgent care centers in northern Alabama have been bustling. "Fortunately, the cases have been relatively mild," said Dr. Henry Wang, an emergency medicine physician at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.
Parts of Georgia have seen a boom in traffic, too. It's not clear why the flu is showing up so early, or how long it will stay.
"My advice is: Get the vaccine now," said Dr. James Steinberg, an Emory University infectious diseases specialist in Atlanta.
The last time a conventional flu season started this early was the winter of 2003-04, which proved to be one of the most lethal seasons in the past 35 years, with more than 48,000 deaths. The dominant type of flu back then was the same one seen this year.
One key difference between then and now: In 2003-04, the vaccine was poorly matched to the predominant flu strain. Also, there's more vaccine now, and vaccination rates have risen for the general public and for key groups such as pregnant women and health care workers.
An estimated 112 million Americans have been vaccinated so far, the CDC said. Flu vaccinations are recommended for everyone 6 months or older.
On average, about 24,000 Americans die each flu season, according to the CDC.
Flu usually peaks in midwinter. Symptoms can include fever, cough, runny nose, head and body aches and fatigue. Some people also suffer vomiting and diarrhea, and some develop pneumonia or other severe complications.
A strain of swine flu that hit in 2009 caused a wave of cases in the spring and then again in the early fall. But that was considered a unique type of flu, distinct from the conventional strains that circulate every year.
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Cosmiccragsman
Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
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I very seldom get the flu.
The only time I've gotten the Flu was when I went in to get a flu shot.
Go figure
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
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Getting older, you should also get your pneumonia shot too ;).
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lubbockclimber
Trad climber
lubbock,tx
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Yes every year. It's your life you could be risking. How many of you people against the shot actually have any medical experience relevant to the subject.
C.A.T., R.N., and B.S.N..
Flame away.....
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locker
Social climber
Douchebag Central
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^^^
Fuking GOOD point!!!...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I love SuperTopo cause I always know I can rely on information supplied by
people waay smarter than those stoopid and evil epidemiologists all over
the world. Can you imagine spending your entire life working at such a
useless and downright nefarious job?
Flu season hits U.S. early and hard
By Michael Muskal
December 3, 2012, 1:58 p.m.
The flu season has gotten off to its quickest start in nearly a decade, a sign that it could be a bad year for the illness, officials said on Monday.
Dr. Thomas Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, urged people to get a flu shot to minimize the impact of the deadly disease’s spread. Speaking to publicize National Influenza Vaccination Week, Frieden said a flu shot was the best tool available to stop the spread of the disease, along with covering your mouth when coughing and washing your hands.
“This is the earliest regular flu season we’ve seen in nearly a decade,” Frieden said in a conference call with reporters. “That suggests this could be a bad flu year.”
The flu is caused by different strains and part of the test for scientists is trying to mix a vaccine that includes the strains that are most likely to be dominant in any given season. The current vaccine, which has been prepared in advance, seems well-matched for the strains that now working their way through the population, Frieden said.
Based on early testing, Frieden said that the number of suspected flu cases has jumped in five Southern states: Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas. The dominant flu type is the same as the one associated with the flu season of 2003-2004, when the outbreak was bad, he said.
The CDC recommends a yearly flu vaccine for everyone 6 months of age and older. It usually takes about two weeks for the body's immune response to fully kick in.
Especially at risk are very young children, particularly those younger than 2, and people older than 65. People with chronic conditions such as asthma and heart disease are also at risk.
With the holiday season in mind, Frieden urged people be careful.
“Spread good cheer and give presents,” he said. But “don’t share infections and spread the flu.”
LA Times - Early Flu Season
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Immunizations are the most significant innovation in history.
together with anti-biotics...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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1. Clean water.
2. Sewage and garbage disposal.
3. Immunizations.
4. Sound basic health care and nutrition for pregnant women, infants, and small children.
5. Nutrition.
6. Basic health and dental care.
Together, they account for most increases in life expectancy and quality of health over the last two centuries. High tech modern medicine has contributed relatively little. (I bet Ken M can add to this.)
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roadman
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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High tech modern medicine has contributed relatively little
Unless it was your life it saved! Or your kids! 6 month waits for ACL surgery can have a dramatic impact ones QL.
Point taken. Plumbers are the most important people in the world.
3 rules of plumbing
1)don't lick your fingers
2)sh*t rolls down hill
3)pay day is on Friday
Good luck getting a flu shot in Canada....They ration that shi0t.
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lubbockclimber
Trad climber
lubbock,tx
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Holy Sh#t locker just agreed with me?
My life has come full circle now!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Flu shots in B.C., at least, are free for anyone who's at higher risk, e.g. seniors, health care and essential services workers, children, those who are sick or have compromised immune systems, those in hospitals. Those between 16 and 65, in good health, and without any pretext may have to pay, but even then the shots are easily available. You can even get them at the supermarket drug department.
And, as someone who is alive due to high tech medicine, I agree that it is of benefit. Just that in terms of public health, less important than some might think.
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The Lisa
Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
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Maybe if you are at high risk, then yes, take it. I might have had the flu a few times as a kid but I am otherwise rarely sick. Maybe some sniffles twice a year. Therefore I am not going to be vaccinated.
I know some employees who work for a hospital. They never work directly with patients or even visitors yet they are forced to get the flu shot. Now they get a mild dose of the flu every year. If it ain't broke.....
I do however still bear the scars of TB and smallpox vaccines I received as a child in Ireland.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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I generally get it every year. Didn't about 8 years ago, got the flu, and really thought I was going to die. I have been in awe ever since of elderly folks who survive it (I know many do not).
I take public transportation to work in a university. I cross paths with germs on buses (those poles every one grabs -ick [well except those who hang on with their butt cheeks - what's up with that???]), then mingle with germs on faculty of all ages, and germs on students, many of whom have little germ factories in their lives. And since we rotate classrooms all day, I get to be in classrooms used by countless other germ factories. Ew.
No way I'm going out into the world without the shot.
I have not been teaching this semester and this thread cues me that I've not gotten the shot this year! Egads - I'm off to get it TOMORROW.
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The user formerly known as stzzo
climber
Sneaking up behind you
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All the meat eaters get the flu because of all the antibiotics in the meat which lowers their immune system.
Eating tons of dead sh!t full of dumb drugs is sure way to fuk yourself up.
Then they need to fix that with another bunch of stoopid drugs.
Dude is so right!
Eat the meat raised without drugs, for sure. Yum!
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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I used to get the flu- pretty much every other year.. On three occasions.. i've had the flu so bad- thought i was going to die.....no thanks...no more...
I got my shot yesterday, which is about three weeks later than usual.....crossing my fingers and extra hand washing for the next two weeks...
Btw, i just got Timid to go get a flu shot .. he's there right now..
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
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It's just asinine to refuse the flu vaccine. I don't know if it's ignorance, a veiled fear of needles, obstinance, or what.... Just stay away from those with weakened or immature immune systems, wash your hands, cough into your sleeves, and stay away from crowds where you might contract and spread the flu. Like, in your bomb shelter or what have you. Please, sign a DNR and refuse blood products while you're at it. Right after you've sterilized yourself.
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The user formerly known as stzzo
climber
Sneaking up behind you
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^^^ Purism.
I don't use computers, either. And I wear a gas mask when I leave the house because of the chemtrails.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oh, Jebus, you're a sheeple too? ;-)
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roadman
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
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Those between 16 and 65, in good health, and without any pretext may have to pay, but even then the shots are easily available.
Dude, cheeping out is the name of the game up here. That policy goes against science. It's all to save a buck. Nevermind, no one has a family doc here anyway. BECAUSE THERE ARN"T ENOUGH DOCTORS! So much illness is unreported and miss diagnosed...It's a nice way for the gov. to hide the reality of how shiity heath care is here.
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Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
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Baaaaaahhhhh, Reilly!
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dirtbag
climber
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Dumb question, but if chemtrails, vaccines, etc. are pieces of a big plot by the Illuminati/NWO to depopulate the world why are life expectancies and the world population still increasing?
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lubbockclimber
Trad climber
lubbock,tx
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Just wash your hands and make a point not to touch your face.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Not every year, only because I couldn't be bothered, but if I was less healthy, absolutely. My kids get it every year, my youngest caught flu before he was old enough to be vaccinated, I never want to go through that again.
I've only had "real" flu once, it's a whole other story to that bad cold most people think is flu.
TE
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roadman
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 10:27am PT
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I've only had "real" flu once, it's a whole other story to that bad cold most people think is flu.
So true! Easy to understand how people are fearful of it because we can all get spooked by the idea of tinkering with things too much, but really once you've had a true case of the flu (so long as you don't have egg allergies or GBS in your fam) it's a no brainer to get the shot every year or at least often.
Funny how we don't understand till we get smacked down by a tiny virus! Before I got it, I though I was healthy and that I'd build my immune system for toughing it out...boy that was dumb..
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I never used to until I got myself a copy of the real flu one year.
I think most people, and me up until that viral assault, have not had a "REAL" flu virus.
I was in the best shape of my life, ice climbing in Ouray that year when the hammer of God struck my partner and myself.
There were two nights in particular I really thought that I might die by drowning in my own fluids. The body aches were so bad, I could have sworn I was in some major motorcycle accident, every day.
One week literally stuck in bed.
Two weeks until I returned home.
I can now easily understand how the real flu kills people.
A solid month until I felt even vaguely "right" again.
So yeah, I get the vaccine now. It might not work, but I'll take that chance.
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Riley Wyna
Trad climber
A crack near you
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The flu is a very strange bug.
Some people are very prone to getting it.... A weakness in the histology of the oropharnyx or upper airway..
I seem to have a weakness for this particular virus....
It sucks..
As far as vaccines..
You should get every vaccine you can....end of story...
The vaccine stuff is another home made story of American stupidity..
I missed my fly shot this year and I have had this stupid flu for going on three weeks now.
It's a wierd flu this year....not a rapid killer like Swine was, at least for healthy people, but still an awful flu..
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WatchSteveClimb
Trad climber
Dallas, Texas
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not only no but hell no, its all a scam to scar parents into spending money... notice how media pushes it more than doctors do, eat healthy stay active, and drink orange juice lol
orange juice and smoothies are my only tools against little viruses like the flu, cold, bubonic plague
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WatchSteveClimb
Trad climber
Dallas, Texas
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I've always been a very sick person lol
im 23 and have had phenomena 4 times already in my life, and now since drinking orange juice everyday i havent gotten sick (except from a stomach virus i got from my mom) in over a year, and thats good for someone with a weak immune system like me, plus i work in downtown dallas around gross homeless everyday too
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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you GOTTA be a troll if you're saying that OJ can prevent yersinia pestis infection (the bacteria that causes the "bubonic plague").
We have tularemia here in California, it's pretty common, and produces a disease very similar to the bubonic plague. I propose an experiment whereby you drink nothing but OJ while bivying naked in the Owens valley for a few nights, until you get bit by a mouse or two. You can have access to ALL the OJ you want...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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No he's just 23....
I believed stuff like that at 23 too...
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The Guy
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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NO! I was born naturally and like mucci, raised on the titty. Nice to see all the NO's!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Hey, the flu and bubonic plague are natural, too.
Go suck on some natural bubos!
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Never had the vaccine. Still alive.
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dirtbag
climber
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not only no but hell no, its all a scam to scar parents into spending money... notice how media pushes it more than doctors do, eat healthy stay active, and drink orange juice lol
LOL...you do realize the poster immediately above you is a nurse?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Never get a flu shot but wear a flea collar...RJ
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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WatchSteveClimb reports
im 23 and have had phenomena 4 times already in my life
I'm not sure what this is... I study phenomena, but never "had" it.. and you are so young and had them 4 times...
...but you say OJ prevents phenomena, quite amazing...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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1. Clean water.
2. Sewage and garbage disposal.
3. Immunizations.
4. Sound basic health care and nutrition for pregnant women, infants, and small children.
5. Nutrition.
6. Basic health and dental care.
Together, they account for most increases in life expectancy and quality of health over the last two centuries. High tech modern medicine has contributed relatively little. (I bet Ken M can add to this.)
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MH, I think I agree with that.
Personally, I think there is a vastly wrong emphasis on high tech as the "first option", for everything. I think there was be vast improvements in health if we were to emphasize exercise, diet, and stress reduction. But it won't work within the healthcare system
However, technical solutions can produce miracles. Smallpox is gone.
Polio is within reach:
http://www.polioeradication.org/Dataandmonitoring/Poliothisweek.aspx
Guinea worm is within reach:
http://www.cartercenter.org/health/guinea_worm/mini_site/index.html
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Flu shot taken care of. Phew. By the way, I get mine at Target. No appt needed and easy to deal with.
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stephenbmx1@yahoo.com montoya
Sport climber
texas
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jesus! I was kidding about the plague!
Edit:
sorry "pneumonia" is what Ive had four times already lol
I just come down hard with being sick my whoooole life, I've been critically hospitalized so many times in my life, and not from physical injures either, just sic as a dog with bugs, pneumonia, severe dehydration eye balls sucked in the back on my head cause of no fluid, I've had pectus excavatum
so for me not being sick for over a year is very good I think, and ive never had a flu shot
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