Do you get the flu vaccine every year?

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monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:34am PT
There are those who claim Pasteur was wrong on 'germ theory' and Antoine Bechamps 'terrain theory' is right. They even claim Pasteur recanted on his deathbed, which is a lie.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:43am PT
Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:44am PT
I posted the link not knowing anything of the author by mainly for the title and maybe she is nuts. I guess the lesson is do your research and read carefully. As for the elderberry ,IMHO there is quite a bit of study applied to the flu fighting capabilities associated with it. As for me being "miseducated".............. could be.




"Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim."


LOL!
Branscomb

Trad climber
Lander, WY
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:52am PT
I got one about 15 years ago. Our daughter was 2 or 3 years old and we had a rush of parental responsibility to our heads. I ended up with Guillan-Barre Syndrome, the paralysis starting in the feet and moving upwards until it paralysis your autonomic nervous system and you stop breathing. Didn't get to the last part fortunately. I'm the 1 in 100,000 you read about on the insert! What a privelege! My wife became allergic to all sorts of stuff she'd never had problems with before.

I would avoid it, ever. I think it's a scam by the drug companies to make a lot of money every year out of people's fear. In a practical sense, it's useless because, like Tami said, they guess which one will be the dominant strain for the year so they can grow it up and process it in time for flu season. If you notice, they never get it right, either.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:58am PT
they guess which one

Uh, there's guessing and then there is scientific probability analysis.
I guess there might be a difference.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:59am PT
No, the Elderberry research is interesting, but playing around with cytokine response is definitely a double-edged sword which can work both for and against you depending on the specific circumstances. While it may be helpful with more common flu strains, it may act as an 'accelerant' with those flu strains which promote cytokine storms.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
Locker, just sharing my opinion of elderberry. I am nothing close to a doctor.


" While it may be helpful with more common flu strains, it may act as an 'accelerant' with those flu strains which promote cytokine storms."


Good reason for doing your research before diving in.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
<--RN and doesn't flu vaccine. I just wear a mask during flu peak at work like im supposed to. I'll wait until I have a need for the vaccine.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.

This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.

The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.

Hmmmmm.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
yet another inspiring thread, I see, telegraphing to all the universe our human savvy
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
I would avoid it, ever. I think it's a scam by the drug companies to make a lot of money every year out of people's fear. In a practical sense, it's useless because, like Tami said, they guess which one will be the dominant strain for the year so they can grow it up and process it in time for flu season. If you notice, they never get it right, either.


The manufacturers make very little money, if any, from it.

They virtually always get the strain right. What you notice are the infections among the people who did not get immunized......

Hmmmmm
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
(I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.)

"This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.

The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.

Hmmmmm."



I said 'immune response'. I did not say 'vaccine'. To further clarify..........the deaths in healthy people were due to immune response (cytokine storm).
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Branscomb: I ended up with Guillan-Barre Syndrome, the paralysis starting in the feet and moving upwards until it paralysis your autonomic nervous system and you stop breathing. Didn't get to the last part fortunately. I'm the 1 in 100,000 you read about on the insert!

Did you have asthma, use an inhaler or have any other respiratory distress/issues prior to getting the shot? The 1976 vaccine prompted a lot of Guillan-Barre as an adverse reaction in an unusually high number of people, one of my climbing partners among them. His didn't stop and he ended up in an iron lung for months before it remissed and then he had to re-learn muscular control over his body and suffered the atrophy of a lot of small muscles which was tough as an artist.

But prior to the shot he suffered from chronic bronchial asthma and used an inhaler constantly in order to climb. Given we don't know what triggers Guillan-Barre syndrome (or asthmas) I believe there is some speculation that there maybe underlying issues with folks who have Guillan-Barre induced via the vaccine which was my reason for asking in your case.


Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
Every year I get the flu vaccine is a year I don't get the flu. Strange coincidence, that ;). It takes a week or two to develop the secondary immune response, so you can still get the flu after getting the vaccine. So sometimes people erroneously think the vaccine gave them the flu they probably already had.

Personally, working in healthcare, I wouldn't want to wear a mask, and I don't want to go around killing all the old folks with my infection (they still have a lot of cool stories to tell and life to live).

I'm all for choice as regards taking the vaccine, but seeing the flimsy ass arguments against it is hilarious. Or maybe a little sad?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
Ok, the opportunity for a little education.

The manufacturers do not "guess" which strains to include in a vaccine. The flu circulates around the world, starting in East Asia, then spreading west. It takes about 9 months to make the journey to the US, then it starts again.

The problem with the vaccine arises when, during that journey, the virus mutates into another strain, and the new strain predominates. It is rare, but it happens.

The vaccine that is used these days are all three-strain containing. They contain last years predominant Type A strain (which always hangs around a bit), the predominant strain that has arisen this year in Asia, and the current circulating Type B strain (which changes much less fast)

The vaccine does give some protection to a newly arising strain, though.

Many, Many people confuse "influenza" with flu-like diseases, particularly colds. When I was practicing full time, I'd have 20 people/day come in complaining of the flu. PERHAPS one actually had it.

In my experiece, the symptom that most closely matched the disease was absolutely debilitating muscle fatigue and pain. Such that getting out of bed was something that required real determination.

The last time I got the flu, I was hospitalized for 4 days. Never again!

I get it every year, and always will.

Like an earthquake, we are overdue for a killing pandemic. It will happen, and when it does, it is going to be ugly.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
Speaking of disease reduction, I read an article about a study done at a prestigious university that stated they had isolated to essential oils that killed MRSA on contact. As I read I thought they will not tell in the article what oils were involved. They didn't. In fact when the study results became known funding for the study was dropped. Most likely reason was that it was not an exotic substance but one available in almost every garden. Not what the drug companies want to hear.
Another small trial examined possibilities that MRSA could be held in check by simply dispersing oils into atmosphere in clinics, hospitals. doctors retaliated saying it could not possibly be that simple. Money is the motivator and if it is not involved forgetaboutit!
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
The effect of essential oils on methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus using a dressing model.

Or google: 'mrsa oil ncbi' to see a boat load of study abstracts on various oils...
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
"The effect of essential oils on methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus using a dressing model.

Or google: 'mrsa oil ncbi' to see a boat load of study abstracts on various oils..".



My point is that funding was dropped as said substances were common. There are many oils that might work. That came out as more study was done around the globe.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
I have gotten the flu vacine/shot every year since the early 80's except for two (2) years. I have only come down with the flu twice in about 30 years. Yep, it was during the two winters (flu seasons) that i didn't get a flu shot!

I haven't even gotten a common cold. But, the two years I did get the flu, it was hideous and lasted about 3 weeks! It was very hard to shake both times!
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
(I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.)

"This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.

The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.

Hmmmmm."



The paragraph at the top is what I wrote. Below that is the response by Ken M. Aside from not understanding what I said just what is tinfoil hat about what I wrote? Please educate.
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