Do you get the flu vaccine every year?

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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:05am PT
Not at all surprising healyje and Ed are big advocates of vaccinations.
huh?
as a personal choice, I answered with a single word, "yes"

nwo spun something much bigger out of that...

I also posted the Wiki reference to the 1918 pandemic which was rather large, and had developed a strain that seemed to be particularly lethal by invoking an out of control immune system response, with a lethality peak in those otherwise strong and healthy age group...

this is just information... I'm sure there are those out there who see dark conspiracy everywhere, but you have a choice too...



healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:24am PT
Caveman - you just posted an ancient anti-vaccine rant from Eleanor McBean who was a lunatic in the best sense of the word. Did you actually read it? You know, the part where she says disease isn't caused by germs? Here are some other gems from her repertoire.

These mythical anti-bodies are said to make war on disease germs. But germs are not the cause of disease in the first place and are useful wherever they are found in nature [...]

Disease is not something to be cured; it is a cure.

These diseases [measles, chicken-pox, mumps, scarlet fever] are not contagious but are merely cleansing measures of the body[...]

That her tracts have been revived to see the light of day on the internet is a breathtaking example of technology use by the miseducated.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:28am PT
"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative."...


and for a brain tumor???...


An ENEMA will usually cure it???...


"Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment"...

and FYI dingleberries are GREAT for getting rid of unwanted guests!!!...



......................................................................................................................................................

http://www.drlisawatson.com/elderberry-flu-fighting-fruit


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11399518



Brain tumor? Yeah, there is probably nothing to this or maybe you are just putting whatever in the wrong place.

monolith

climber
albany,ca
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:34am PT
There are those who claim Pasteur was wrong on 'germ theory' and Antoine Bechamps 'terrain theory' is right. They even claim Pasteur recanted on his deathbed, which is a lie.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:43am PT
Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:44am PT
I posted the link not knowing anything of the author by mainly for the title and maybe she is nuts. I guess the lesson is do your research and read carefully. As for the elderberry ,IMHO there is quite a bit of study applied to the flu fighting capabilities associated with it. As for me being "miseducated".............. could be.




"Caveman, if the topic were carpentry then the health stuff you are posting is like recommending when building houses that lots of rock salt be added to the cement and that brads be used for 2x4s and 16p nails be used for trim."


LOL!
Branscomb

Trad climber
Lander, WY
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:52am PT
I got one about 15 years ago. Our daughter was 2 or 3 years old and we had a rush of parental responsibility to our heads. I ended up with Guillan-Barre Syndrome, the paralysis starting in the feet and moving upwards until it paralysis your autonomic nervous system and you stop breathing. Didn't get to the last part fortunately. I'm the 1 in 100,000 you read about on the insert! What a privelege! My wife became allergic to all sorts of stuff she'd never had problems with before.

I would avoid it, ever. I think it's a scam by the drug companies to make a lot of money every year out of people's fear. In a practical sense, it's useless because, like Tami said, they guess which one will be the dominant strain for the year so they can grow it up and process it in time for flu season. If you notice, they never get it right, either.

locker

Social climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:55am PT

"I guess the lesson is do your research and read carefully"...

And yet you appeared to be giving ADVICE...

YIKES!!!...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:58am PT
they guess which one

Uh, there's guessing and then there is scientific probability analysis.
I guess there might be a difference.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 11:59am PT
No, the Elderberry research is interesting, but playing around with cytokine response is definitely a double-edged sword which can work both for and against you depending on the specific circumstances. While it may be helpful with more common flu strains, it may act as an 'accelerant' with those flu strains which promote cytokine storms.
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
Locker, just sharing my opinion of elderberry. I am nothing close to a doctor.


" While it may be helpful with more common flu strains, it may act as an 'accelerant' with those flu strains which promote cytokine storms."


Good reason for doing your research before diving in.
locker

Social climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:01pm PT

and I'd like to share my expeience with GLUE...

The more you inhale, the less chance of getting the flu...

BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
<--RN and doesn't flu vaccine. I just wear a mask during flu peak at work like im supposed to. I'll wait until I have a need for the vaccine.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.

This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.

The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.

Hmmmmm.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
yet another inspiring thread, I see, telegraphing to all the universe our human savvy
locker

Social climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:11pm PT

"This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.

The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.

Hmmmmm. "
...



^^^

PERFECT!!!...

LOL!!!...





It may have it's problems...

But I'm sticking with MODERN MEDICINE and scientific facts...

No hokus pokus BS for this old BOI!!!...

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
I would avoid it, ever. I think it's a scam by the drug companies to make a lot of money every year out of people's fear. In a practical sense, it's useless because, like Tami said, they guess which one will be the dominant strain for the year so they can grow it up and process it in time for flu season. If you notice, they never get it right, either.


The manufacturers make very little money, if any, from it.

They virtually always get the strain right. What you notice are the infections among the people who did not get immunized......

Hmmmmm
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
(I've read that the 1918 flu deaths were the result of immune response (cytokine storm). Elderberry is an excellent flu treatment with the exception of strains that are unresponsive to cytokine effects. With those strains elderberry is contraindicative.)

"This is one of the funniest tinfoil hat assertions I've ever read.

The 1918 epidemic was caused by flu vaccine which was not invented until 1931.

Hmmmmm."



I said 'immune response'. I did not say 'vaccine'. To further clarify..........the deaths in healthy people were due to immune response (cytokine storm).
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Branscomb: I ended up with Guillan-Barre Syndrome, the paralysis starting in the feet and moving upwards until it paralysis your autonomic nervous system and you stop breathing. Didn't get to the last part fortunately. I'm the 1 in 100,000 you read about on the insert!

Did you have asthma, use an inhaler or have any other respiratory distress/issues prior to getting the shot? The 1976 vaccine prompted a lot of Guillan-Barre as an adverse reaction in an unusually high number of people, one of my climbing partners among them. His didn't stop and he ended up in an iron lung for months before it remissed and then he had to re-learn muscular control over his body and suffered the atrophy of a lot of small muscles which was tough as an artist.

But prior to the shot he suffered from chronic bronchial asthma and used an inhaler constantly in order to climb. Given we don't know what triggers Guillan-Barre syndrome (or asthmas) I believe there is some speculation that there maybe underlying issues with folks who have Guillan-Barre induced via the vaccine which was my reason for asking in your case.


Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
Every year I get the flu vaccine is a year I don't get the flu. Strange coincidence, that ;). It takes a week or two to develop the secondary immune response, so you can still get the flu after getting the vaccine. So sometimes people erroneously think the vaccine gave them the flu they probably already had.

Personally, working in healthcare, I wouldn't want to wear a mask, and I don't want to go around killing all the old folks with my infection (they still have a lot of cool stories to tell and life to live).

I'm all for choice as regards taking the vaccine, but seeing the flimsy ass arguments against it is hilarious. Or maybe a little sad?
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