Do you get the flu vaccine every year?


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Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Oh my god, look at the "data":

FLU DEATHS: "Deaths per 100,000 population: 0.2"
(Centers for Disease Control, 2010 data) Average rate, rates 0.1 - 0.3 over the years

"the current mortality rate for flu vaccines is 0.2 per 100,000 people"
(from one source, data hard to find--someone is interested in not collecting it?)

"ROCK CLIMBING mortality rate is 0.31 per 100,000"

"skydiving’s rate is 1 per 100,000"

"15.2 fatality rate (per 100,000) of driving a passenger vehicle"

"fatality rate of 2.9 per 100,000 for whitewater kayaking"

"The risk of sudden death during a marathon: 0.8 per 100,000 people"

And "cows kill an average of 22 people per year"...not to even mention risks from owning a pitbull. And the rabid coon might be waiting to bite ya. Let's write up a little proposal...get a grant...and develop a coon vaccine.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
In this article, AMI=acute myocardial infraction, or heart attack.
MI=heart attack
Ischemic Events=heart attack or stroke

A Shot in Arm, a Boost for the Heart: Flu Vaccination Reduces AMI Risk

Michael O'Riordan
Aug 26, 2013

SYDNEY, Australia — More data, this time a case-control study of individuals hospitalized in Australia, suggests that vaccination against the influenza virus reduces the risk of ischemic events[1]. The influenza virus, on the other hand, was not a significant predictor of acute MI (AMI), report investigators.

"Influenza vaccination in the study year was significantly protective against AMI, with unvaccinated subjects almost twice as likely as vaccinated subjects to have AMI," report Dr Raina MacIntyre (University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia) and colleagues in their study, published online August 22, 2013 in Heart. "Our finding of vaccination being a protective factor is validated by the fact that other significant predictors of AMI in the model (age, gender, smoking, high cholesterol) are accepted risk factors for AMI."

The study also showed that recent influenza infection was a common comorbidity in patients with ischemic disease, with 9.5% of the study participants recently having had the flu. This finding suggests that a "clinical diagnosis of influenza may be missed in hospital patients with other presentations," say investigators.

More Fuel to the Fire

Previous epidemiological studies have suggested that influenza is associated with an increased risk of all-cause mortality and cardiovascular hospitalizations. These studies have also shown a spike in the rates of hospitalization for AMI and mortality during the flu season. However, some recent studies, including those reported by heartwire , have shown that vaccination against the flu could reduce the risk of MI.

In one analysis of the data, researchers found that vaccination for influenza likely protected against MI in people with preexisting cardiovascular disease, but more research was needed to establish whether vaccines helped prevent MI in people without vascular disease. Another case-control study suggested that vaccination against influenza could cut the risk of MI by 20%.

In 2012 at the Canadian Cardiovascular Congress, Dr Jacob Udell (University of Toronto, Ontario) presented the results of a meta-analysis of four studies involving 3227 patients, about half of whom had no established cardiovascular disease and half with stable cardiovascular disease or acute coronary syndrome. Like the other studies, Udell reported that vaccination against the flu reduced the risk of major adverse cardiovascular events by 48%.

Udell, who was not involved in the Australian study, said that despite the lack of a gold-standard randomized, clinical trial proving the benefits of flu vaccination on cardiovascular end points, he is a proponent of vaccination. "I'm 110% supportive of the idea," he told heartwire . "And I don't think it's for a lack of evidence at this point or a lack of effort on anyone's part. I think the overarching reason when people are surveyed is either a disbelief in the benefit or a concern that the short-term adverse effects, such as a sore arm or they get the flu, trump any benefit."

If it is a question of efficacy for the nonbelievers, the time is ripe for a significantly powered large-scale randomized trial to answer the question, he added.

Risk of AMI Reduced 45% With Vaccination

In the latest Australian paper, MacIntyre and colleagues investigated whether influenza was a significant and unrecognized illness preceding AMI. There were 275 patients with AMI and 284 patients without AMI included in the case-control study, and just over half of all patients were vaccinated in the year they were recruited for the study. Of the 559 participants, 12.4% of the cases and 6.7% of the controls had influenza, a near twofold difference in risk (odds ratio 1.97; 95% CI 1.09–3.54).

Udell said the accumulating data supporting the cardiovascular benefit of flu vaccination have outpaced the mechanistic explanations. In the case of the protection against AMI and major adverse cardiovascular events, including stroke, the results are so intriguing that researchers "almost have to go back to the drawing board to reevaluate the triggers of destabilization in these patients." The present study also highlights how few people are vaccinated against the flu. Despite all the evidence suggesting a cardiovascular benefit to vaccination, in addition to protecting against the flu, just half of the population receives the influenza vaccine, he noted.

The study was funded by a research grant from GlaxoSmithKline. MacIntyre reports grant support from GlaxoSmithKline, CSL, Sanofi Pasteur, Merck, and Pfizer. Disclosures for the coauthors are listed in the paper. Udell reports no conflicts of interest.

MacIntyre CR, Heywood AE, Kovoor P, et al. Ischemic heart disease, influenza, and influenza vaccination: A prospective case-control study. Heart 2013; DOI: 10.1136/heartjnl.2013.304320. Available here.

Heartwire © 2013 Medscape, LLC


Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:45pm PT

There really ARE a lot of IDIOTS on this forum...



Trad climber
Las Vegas
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
Haven't had a vaccine since I was in grade school.

I haven't had a flu in almost over two decades.

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:58pm PT

By Mayo Clinic staff
Initially, the flu may seem like a common cold with a runny nose, sneezing and sore throat. But colds usually develop slowly, whereas the flu tends to come on suddenly. And although a cold can be a nuisance, you usually feel much worse with the flu.

Common signs and symptoms of the flu include:
Fever over 100 F (38 C)
Aching muscles, especially in your back, arms and legs
Chills and sweats
Dry cough
Fatigue and weakness
Nasal congestion"...


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
^^^^^^^ There you have it folks! Trundlebum is proof positive that epidemiological
studies are a complete waste of time and money! Any of you 'tards ever
seen Africans lining up for, like, forever to get vaccines? Yeah, I
know they're just ignorant savages. But then a lot of them have personal
experience with polio, smallpox, typhus, malaria, leprosy, and a lot of
other nice conditions which a smart westerner wouldn't want to subject
himself to the medical treatment protocols for.

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Aug 30, 2013 - 01:07pm PT

" epidemiological studies are a complete waste of time and money"...


Medicine is nothing more than a fuking waste of time!!!...


A HUGE favorite of mine and I see it OFTEN on the news is when someone THANKS the Lord, when in fact it was modern SCIENCE and MEDICINE (and the Medical staff that administered it) that saved them, their family member, or their friend...


Trad climber
Aug 30, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Personally I think it is a gamble to not get a flu shot if you regularly find yourself in close contact with others. Teachers, medical workers, retail, if you fly frequently etc. The list could go on and on. I guess it is about personal beliefs and tolerance for risk.

I got the flu about 20 years ago. I was really sick for about a month or more. Lost a bunch of muscle weight. At that point in my life I was climbing really hard. Took me at least 6 months to get back to where I was before the flu.

I get the shot every year now as I have kids and also are forced to fly frequently for work.


Trad climber
Aug 30, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
Tioga, I have you beat in education but all of it was in biology/chemistry after college business degree. You do have a point, but you only get half the picture. You mixed with Reiley could make a happy medium that makes scientific sense.

Oh by the way, last time I gotten one of the "vaccines" (18 years ago) my arm got swollen like a log and I felt I was gonna meet my maker finally...the "doktor" crook (medical leech) said I was probably allergic to horse (or mouse, don't remember exact animal...just glad it wasn't a "chimp") "protein". Have fun...then, something goes wrong, many years later...a little error in your DNA somewhere...;) have fun with unnecessary substances injected in ya and being lab rat sheeple, there's no help for that. But this is America, where you have to have medical approval to take a crap, I mean...I heard it's been proven to be healthy via extensive medical research funded by (fat) taxpayers money (and laxative manufacturers)! Here

Makes me wonder what you needed the advice of a doctor for if you are so educated already and distrust doctors...
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Aug 30, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
We have some geniuses who figure they haven't gotten sick in the prime of their immune response proves something? Anecdotal retards.

Aug 31, 2013 - 01:11am PT
I got it the first time at age 22 in Taiwan. I was young and fit. I thought I was going to die of starvation as I lay in my bed thinking of things because I was too weak to walk to get food. None was in the building.

The second time it hit me while I was in my 50's and it had me dry cough up blood at 1am which scared the crap out of me and put me down for almost 6 weeks. I was conditioning for a marathon at the time and thought I was in great shape.

So you can get it more than once, and now that I'm gettin' old I get the shot because it could kill a guy.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 31, 2013 - 01:42am PT
Yup.....just held out for a week in Tajikistan waiting for diarrhea to go away.....finally took cipro and was cured in a few hours. Why this paranoia about drugs?
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Aug 31, 2013 - 07:52am PT
Why this paranoia about drugs?

Strange, isn't it?

I have intelligent, perfectly reasonable friends who, on the topic of vaccinations, becomes babbling idiots who spew factual nonsense and quote ridiculous studies that the found on the "Internet" about vaccinations.

The Flat Earth Society is alive and well.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 31, 2013 - 08:27am PT
Measles outbreak in Texas church leads to soul-searching, thank God

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Aug 31, 2013 - 10:12am PT
Doctors cause, on average, 80,000 accidental deaths per year in the US alone.

That's just deaths.

I don't trust them, unless I have no other recourse.

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Aug 31, 2013 - 11:40am PT


(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services"

Be curious to see how many of those 120,000 were due to FLU SHOTS...




Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 31, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Seeing this thread make the rounds again reminds me that it's time for me to get my annual flu shot.

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Aug 31, 2013 - 12:33pm PT


"Man dies from accidental death caused by a Flu shot"...

To the Newswoman:

"That damned Doctor KILLED my friend when he MISSED and hit him in the EYE with the Flu shot"...

Aug 31, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
I remember the anti Malaria vaccine I was given.

"Werner, 1 in 1000 or so immediately die from the side effects within an hour from this vaccine".

"No sh!t" ????? LOL

"Yep No sh!t"

I ask "How do you tell if you're allergic or not"

"Just take it aszhole and in one hour you'll know" I was told.

LOL ......

Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Aug 31, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
I used to be scared of needles too, guys. If you are really brave though, they'll give you a lollipop.
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