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Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
socialclimber,

Nationwide Red states rely more heavily on government assistance than Blue ones do.
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
Fat Dad, that is interesting, but I want a source, even when I make the claim I want a source, whoever told it to me gave me something, but I cannot find it, without some sources claims are nothing... its a reason I don't listen to Glenn Beck.

Charles
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
socialclimber,

PM username "jhedge" from mostly the Repubs are wrong thread

he posts lots of studies and charts proving red states get more fed dollars in than they pay in taxes out
Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:09pm PT
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”—Winston Churchill”
dirtbag

climber
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
What's wrong with Obamacare?

Got a better idea?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
Well, they start from a very low set bar.



Hell, Andy Jackson even ran the first free gubmint cheese program.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
So how many of those on the dole in those 'Red' states are Dems?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
Your average Democrat is......more intelligent than your average Republican. State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
I love that (new?) argument that goes around trying to depict anyone that's liberal as "not tolerant" of intolerant people. It's an odd kind of logical fallacy that I can't quite put my finger on. But to them, I say, remember that our country was founded during "the enlightenment" and as such, expresses enlightenment-era values at its core. These values include, but are not limited to, things like freedom, reason, access to information, democracy, etc. The whole idea of it is to create a society that doesn't infringe on the freedoms of its individual members and their varied backgrounds and individual cultures. I suppose you can boil it down to: you can't tell someone what to do if they're doing nothing wrong (I.e. not infringing upon someone else's freedoms). So to take a classic example of something like gay marriage: if you're a republican and you want to be left alone and not heckled when you say hateful things about gays, you have to realize that you're f*#king with the core values of America when you demand the right to hate others of a particular group. What if you get what you want? Gay people can't marry or whatever. Do you want to put them in jail? Execute them? Where do you draw the line in terms of trying to take away another human's freedom? That's the whole point of this country, to have a place where you can be free and do your thing regardless of "religion, race, or creed". If your religion is the source of your distaste for gay marriage, for example, that's just your problem. Do we ban religion because it makes certain people hate other people? No one gets the right to decide what other people do, am I right? I mean, do you want people to tell you that you can't have guns? It's the same thing. If a dude wants to marry a dude, that's like you owning a gun. Some would say "that's f*#ked up", and perhaps they'd be right...or wrong...but it doesn't matter as long as everyone's basic freedom as a human isn't in question. So I say, stop that bullshit argument that sounds like, "aw come on, don't take away our right to be hateful oppressive bigots that wish to rob others of their freedoms as we deem appropriate..."
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
HO MAN that was my longest post yet.

Allow me to supplement it with some fine work from the geniuses at THE DEN OF LIBERAL INIQUITY (UC Berkeley):

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.

That inhabitants of blue states are unAmerican egghead intellectuals?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
Credit: eggheaded liberal somewhere in the 'netz
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
Having a problem finding the source, so forgive me, but I heard sometime last year that some of the most stridently conservative inland California counties also use the most government support. I'll keep looking for the source on that...

Charles

That doesn't surprise me, because the inland counties have huge unemployment problems. And as someone else has already suggested, I suspect that most of the recipients of government largesse here aren't Republicans.

I would add, though, that not all recipients of government largesse here are poor. I can think of several large farmers that live off the government dole, but then, many are Democrats.

Also, to the extent Social Security and Medicare constitute government expenditures, if the "red" states have disproportionate numbers of such recipients, that may explain the disparity.

Before the donkeys start to talk about the hypocrisy of wanting smaller government while collecting Social Security and Medicare, I would point out that it's not hypocritical to say "I wish I hadn't been required to pay for Social Security and Medicare" while, at the same time, collecting it. It would only be hypocritical if you gave them back all that was paid in on their behalf, and they then still insisted on receiving the same benefits.

John
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
The inland counties are where most of the state prisons are located.

Subtract prison spending, and run those numbers again. You'll see different results.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
"Average" Democrat. LOLz. It's the most diverse party our country has ever seen. Standing in stark, stark contrast to the overwhelmingly angry white geriatric obese male party.

To pretend that there is any such thing as an "average", in conversational use of the word, democrat is comical.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.

That inhabitants of blue states are unAmerican egghead intellectuals?

Actually, Anders, Daniel Patrick Moynihan had an explanation that I think you'd like: The closer the state is to the Canadian border, the higher the average IQ.

In truth, I'm unaware of any state IQ statistics that aren't derived from standardized achievement testing. The latter testing differs from IQ, because the achievement necessarily depends on such factors as the proportion of proficient English speakers, and this is somewhat correlated with the latitude of the state involved. So while the disparate statistics (which, incidentally, don't reflect the difference Jim alleges) aren't unAmerican, maybe it does help to live closer to you Canadians.

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
To pretend that there is any such thing as an "average", in conversational use of the word, democrat is comical.

Or to quote Will Rogers, "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."

John
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
Perhaps sanity and intelligence are a function of the distance one lives from the equator. Them Inuit is smart cookies.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 30, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
"...it's not hypocritical to say "I wish I hadn't been required to pay for Social Security and Medicare" while, at the same time, collecting it."


Yeah, it's easy to say that...reality is a whole different set of circumstances, though.

But just for the hell of it...let's say the GOP's wet dream was fulfilled, and SS & Medicare were wiped out completely tomorrow.

What would replace it? Private investment strategies that continue to be unregulated, and treat the investors as dumb piggybanks to be robbed?

Privately held medical insurance programs that maintain the shareholder's interests over the patient?

No thanks.

mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Oct 30, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
Well where are the responses to the questions I posed? Ron, Hawkeye, TGT, Corniss Chopper, etc?

No well thought out replies---what I expected actually. You would have to think, reason, and type. Way to hard of work to expect a Zomney supporter to do, especially when they have to search for brains.
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