Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Oct 30, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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annnnd Dirt for the WIN!!!!!!!!!!;-)
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socialclimber
Trad climber
CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
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Having a problem finding the source, so forgive me, but I heard sometime last year that some of the most stridently conservative inland California counties also use the most government support. I'll keep looking for the source on that...
Charles
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Oct 30, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
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Just IMAGINE, for a moment,, if everyone were to switch parties and ALL become independent over night.
It would turn washington on its ear. Weve got problems this election wont address one iota...
Either way we wind up with a politician. Regardless of who wins,, it is up to WE the friggin PEEPS to keep up the demands of accountability. Its up to US to sort the chaff from the grain. We can set idly by or we can get VOCAL.
Ive watched the two candidates MODIFY there speeches tactics and commercials as they listen to the countless grumblings going on. This MAY,,(MIGHT- MAYBE) a good sign, in at least they listen during the campaign, which could be considered step one. Of course they all do that to a degree, and then once in office its a whole new critter. That is the part needing work. CAMPAIGN REFORM is the ONLY answer i see to removing the hands from the pockets.
The lies and propoganda from BOTH SIDES in this election have been astounding on any level. For anyone to think this somehow makes America look good in the global view is very high comedy. It has done nothing but erode trust.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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socialclimber,
Nationwide Red states rely more heavily on government assistance than Blue ones do.
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socialclimber
Trad climber
CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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Fat Dad, that is interesting, but I want a source, even when I make the claim I want a source, whoever told it to me gave me something, but I cannot find it, without some sources claims are nothing... its a reason I don't listen to Glenn Beck.
Charles
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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socialclimber,
PM username "jhedge" from mostly the Repubs are wrong thread
he posts lots of studies and charts proving red states get more fed dollars in than they pay in taxes out
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:09pm PT
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“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”—Winston Churchill”
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
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all these studies on fed monies dolled out currently will flip and flop like a fish out of water if obamacare continues on its path of self destruction.
An NO im NOT against a plan for the good of the people, but this one wont be it.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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What's wrong with Obamacare?
Got a better idea?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
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So how many of those on the dole in those 'Red' states are Dems?
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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Dirt,, no one has the figures, of when 2014 rolls around and we add multi millions to government debt.. Obama as is in in track to increase the deficit just like he has this previous four years. Doctors are already folding, and hospitals scramble for non medicare/medicaid patients to stay afloat. When the real affects hit what happens then? You may have to drive a considerable distance just to get to a doctor or hospital. You MAY have to wait for six months for that mri. You may still be paying through the nose for coverage and you may be denied coverage until 2014. You might also see TAXES go shooting upwards to attempt to encompass the COSTS. Deficit, govt spending and were are trillions past broke...Hows this gonna work again?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
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Your average Democrat is......more intelligent than your average Republican. State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
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Ohwwww paleeese...
Yes high IQers.. Worked with several of those in the USFS... Quite bright they thought themselves to be.. Yet as ignorant of the actual forest and things real that they seemed all but brain dead.
I once had a forester -brilliant by test standards tell me of a three month old plantation with missle toe.. Then i pointed out to them they were looking at a 35 to 40 yr old banzai jeffery pine.. They said,,,, ohhhwwwww....Then i went on to tell them about missle toe and the fact it takes at least two years to manifest to a visible infection..To which they said,, ohhhhwwww....
Then i went over and showed the a seedling planted only 3 months ago- with fresh scalp etc etc etc.. I showed them that a two year old freshly planted seedling would only have needles and a bud...They were fascinated about that.
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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I love that (new?) argument that goes around trying to depict anyone that's liberal as "not tolerant" of intolerant people. It's an odd kind of logical fallacy that I can't quite put my finger on. But to them, I say, remember that our country was founded during "the enlightenment" and as such, expresses enlightenment-era values at its core. These values include, but are not limited to, things like freedom, reason, access to information, democracy, etc. The whole idea of it is to create a society that doesn't infringe on the freedoms of its individual members and their varied backgrounds and individual cultures. I suppose you can boil it down to: you can't tell someone what to do if they're doing nothing wrong (I.e. not infringing upon someone else's freedoms). So to take a classic example of something like gay marriage: if you're a republican and you want to be left alone and not heckled when you say hateful things about gays, you have to realize that you're f*#king with the core values of America when you demand the right to hate others of a particular group. What if you get what you want? Gay people can't marry or whatever. Do you want to put them in jail? Execute them? Where do you draw the line in terms of trying to take away another human's freedom? That's the whole point of this country, to have a place where you can be free and do your thing regardless of "religion, race, or creed". If your religion is the source of your distaste for gay marriage, for example, that's just your problem. Do we ban religion because it makes certain people hate other people? No one gets the right to decide what other people do, am I right? I mean, do you want people to tell you that you can't have guns? It's the same thing. If a dude wants to marry a dude, that's like you owning a gun. Some would say "that's f*#ked up", and perhaps they'd be right...or wrong...but it doesn't matter as long as everyone's basic freedom as a human isn't in question. So I say, stop that bullshit argument that sounds like, "aw come on, don't take away our right to be hateful oppressive bigots that wish to rob others of their freedoms as we deem appropriate..."
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
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State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.
That inhabitants of blue states are unAmerican egghead intellectuals?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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that explains why Norton is doing so good! Wonder why he votes against them? ;-)hehehehe
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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Having a problem finding the source, so forgive me, but I heard sometime last year that some of the most stridently conservative inland California counties also use the most government support. I'll keep looking for the source on that...
Charles
That doesn't surprise me, because the inland counties have huge unemployment problems. And as someone else has already suggested, I suspect that most of the recipients of government largesse here aren't Republicans.
I would add, though, that not all recipients of government largesse here are poor. I can think of several large farmers that live off the government dole, but then, many are Democrats.
Also, to the extent Social Security and Medicare constitute government expenditures, if the "red" states have disproportionate numbers of such recipients, that may explain the disparity.
Before the donkeys start to talk about the hypocrisy of wanting smaller government while collecting Social Security and Medicare, I would point out that it's not hypocritical to say "I wish I hadn't been required to pay for Social Security and Medicare" while, at the same time, collecting it. It would only be hypocritical if you gave them back all that was paid in on their behalf, and they then still insisted on receiving the same benefits.
John
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