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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
Maybe you should switch over to actual audio production, on TV shows or in post, which can't be outsourced

Of course then, you'd have to join the Guild, or work non-union only - which gets old quick, when everyone around you is raking it in on union shoots, getting benefits, pension etc

Well, I'm a Master Technician and head up the repairs, which can't yet be outsourced. But my production bros are gonna get screwed.

Nice to hear you have a cushy union gig! I hope it gets yanked from you and you have to compete in a real market of skills. May the best man win.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 11, 2012 - 07:46pm PT
Bitter white guy alert! Bitter white guy alert!

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jghedge

climber
Dec 11, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
"Nice to hear you have a cushy union gig! I hope it gets yanked from you and you have to compete in a real market of skills. May the best man win."

Hahahahaha, doubt ABC is going to start shooting episodic broadcast/pilots in China anytime soon

Funny listening to someone label unions as socialist and anti-capitalist, and in the same breath worry about losing their non-union job to...Communist China

Someday you'll figure it all out - maybe
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
Yeah, I hope you lose your job too.


I was just calling for fair competition in the free market, without union bullshit and rules.

I compete in that market, as do so many other competent people.

Did you know I could not enter a San Francisco studio to do work until a union rep showed up, just to oversee and watch? Do you know how much of my time that wasted? And he didn't even watch me work!!!

F*#ked up, bra!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
And there is nothing in the Constitution about unions or workers rights, despite how you'd like to twist the language therein. Current Federal Law works. As does State law.

You know, there's nothing about having political parties in the constitution and many of the founding fathers were against them

I'm thinking they were right

peace

karl
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
You know, there's nothing about having political parties in the constitution and many of the founding fathers were against them

I'm thinking they were right

peace

karl


Word, my commie brother. Word.

In fact, they warned against a 2 party system if I'm not mistaken...

Sometimes Karl is spot-on.
jghedge

climber
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
"I was just calling for fair competition in the free market, without union bullshit and rules."

Unions are democracy for workers, and logical extensions of guaranteed 1st amendment rights

Again, try educating yourself - Germany's auto manufacturing industry is fully unionized, and thriving


http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2011/12/21/germany-builds-twice-as-many-cars-as-the-u-s-while-paying-its-auto-workers-twice-as-much/

http://www.remappingdebate.org/article/tale-two-systems


Or, accept that the only way to survive is to lower your standards - your call.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
TGT...It aint the teachers....Maybe it has to do with the fact that the parents don't give a crap about education or maybe the parents have to work 3 jobs to make ends meet and don't have time to mentor their kids...Attacking the teachers is just a Koch brothers rue to pay teachers minimum wage so the stinkin rich can squirrel a few more dollars away...But maybe you are part of the 2%...?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
Unions are democracy for workers, and logical extensions of guaranteed 1st amendment rights

Again, try educating yourself - Germany's auto manufacturing industry is fully unionized, and thriving


http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2011/12/21/germany-builds-twice-as-many-cars-as-the-u-s-while-paying-its-auto-workers-twice-as-much/

http://www.remappingdebate.org/article/tale-two-systems


Or, accept that the only way to survive is to lower your standards - your call.


Apples unt Oranges. Germany operates differently than the US. It is mostly Socialist. Also, they have almost zero defense budgets because we defend them.

Why not compare us to China? They're doing good, right?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
TGT..I might add that the scandinavian countries are doing a better job of educating their children than the US is...Maybe it has to do with being progressive socialist countries that provide national healthcare for their citizens....I know this goes against what Fox news tells you to think...
jghedge

climber
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:26pm PT
"Apples unt Oranges. Germany operates differently than the US. It is mostly Socialist."

"Why not compare us to China? They're doing good, right?"

Why object to unions on ideological grounds, when you admit that socialist/communist nations are doing better than us?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
Credit: philo


Make no mistake there is a war against public education in America. It is fueled by corporate interests and perpetrated by conservative republicans.
Squeeze the life out of the education budget and blame the teachers.
The goal is scuttle liberal arts education and to further the ascendancy of private faith based or military schools.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 11, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
The goal is scuttle liberal arts education and to further the ascendancy of private faith based or military schools.

And to promote ignorance and uniformity, stifle creativity and critical thinking - all those things that make good conservative voters.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 11, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
What are you saying here Blue? That all union members are thugs? That because there are bad actors who are union members we should deny others their constitutional rights?


Yes, pretty much.

Wow. Just wow.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 05:11am PT
Fascism is alive and well.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 12, 2012 - 08:11am PT
N. Korea appears to have been successful with their launch of a long range missile..


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/north-korea-launches-rocket/2012/12/11/id/467357?s=al&promo_code=11115-1
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Dec 12, 2012 - 08:30am PT
Bluering: "In fact, they warned against a 2 party system if I'm not mistaken."

BZZT you are mistaken. What we have today was a byproduct of having a presidential vs parliamentary form of govt. Madison laid it out well in the Federalist Papers #10 when he argued why a country as large as ours, with so many different factions, required a 2 party system.

If you think it's bad now, can you imagine if we had 5, 10, heck, a herd of parties as dysfunctional as our 2 parties are today? ((((SHUDDERS))))
jghedge

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 10:48am PT
Here's an explanation of "right-to-work" laws simple enough (hopefully) for repubs to understand:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/12/the-misleading-framing-of-right-to-work/


"The term “right-to-work law” is a triumph of framing. Such laws do not, in fact, give you the “right to work.” They give you the right to refuse to pay union dues when you work for a union shop, even though you get the wages the union bargained for, and the benefits the union bargained for, and the grievance process the union bargained for."

"And “union dues” isn’t even the right term here. In Michigan, for instance, you can work in a union shop without joining the union and paying full union dues. The costs of the union’s political activities, its membership events, and more are removed from your dues. You pay a lower fee, because you’re just paying, at least in theory, the cost of the union’s representation activities."

All of which, of course, fits right in with repub's desire to have many other things w/o paying for them (SS, MediCare, War On Iraq, roads/bridges/highways, power grid, airports ad infinitum)

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 12, 2012 - 10:53am PT
it isnt the repubs calling for the debt ceiling to be lifted now is it. No, that would be Obama. He SAID he would cut the deficit in half his first term and now asks for extensions on the natl credit card... uh huh....
jghedge

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:03am PT
"it isnt the repubs calling for the debt ceiling to be lifted now is it. No, that would be Obama."

A pity that someone who participates in political threads has to have this explained to them, but...

Raising the debt ceiling involves paying for spending that's already been done. Failure to do so would result in the meltdown of the economy on a global scale. Therefore it isn't a case of Obama "asking for" it to be raised, rather he's insisting that threatening to destroy the economy not be used as a bargaining tool - much as a terrorist would threaten to nuke, say, Reno, unless the US accedes to their demands.

So it's simply a case of Obama not being willing to risk economic meltdown, vs. repubs threatening economic meltdown unless their donors get their tax cut.

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