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paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 27, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
[youtube=http://youtu.be/wiVjpbFzdeE]

Maybe it all started right here. All the nasty arguing and bickering, the great wedge between left and right, the absolute sureness so many have with regard to their own subjective political view.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
In the early 20s many a politician had sudden accidents, or dissapeared or was generally disgraced from his party due to "squealing" on what was taking place. It had started before then, and has built to a monster out of control.


Fema coffins and grave sites, empty concentration camps, all manner of different agencies ordering millions of hollow point ammo and urban assualt vehicles. No one can tell me why the need for such increases and sites.
None the less that is what is happening now. Take for that what you will.

Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Mar 27, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Damn couch baby, your teatard leanings never get this quantity of response back home, looks like you've found a new hobby.

Yeah, and that's it, I already regret poking my head into a political Supertorpid thread...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
cross posted from the Aviation thread,, JUST ABOUT the most ridiculous TAX ive ever heard of in my entire life.





Topic: All
USPA Challenges Proposed User Fee (updated 04/11/13)
On April 11, one day after President Obama unveiled his 2014 budget containing a new $100 per flight user fee, USPA wrote to the president explaining how such a fee would devastate businesses that operate skydiving airplanes. The new fee would apply to each flight by a turbine aircraft in controlled airspace. “It is clear that no one within the administration understands that turbine jump planes routinely make up to 25 flights per day. An operator with one turbine airplane could pay $2,500 each day in user fees; an operator with two aircraft could pay $5,000 each day,” said Ed Scott, USPA’s Executive Director. USPA pointed out that those same operators already pay between $158 and $263 per aircraft per day in federal fuel taxes on jet fuel. USPA described a new user fee as “inequitable, duplicative and (requiring) a new, costly bureaucratic process to assess and collect the fee.” USPA requested that the president withdraw his aviation user fee proposal. Many Members of Congress already oppose aviation user fees, so the administration has a high hurdle to clear to get a bill through Congress. However, USPA and skydiving businesses need to take action now, rather than counting on Congress to defeat the proposed tax.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Hey,

it's only going to effect those 1%ers
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
the friggin MAFIA had more logic with its protection racket than the counterfeit c*cksuckers we have in there now!!!!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Different era,



same methods and motivations.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
In a 53-46 vote the Senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.

The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.

Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.Here are the 46 Senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N.

Baldwin (D-WI), Baucus (D-MT), Bennet (D-CO), Blumenthal (D-CT), Boxer (D-CA), Brown (D-OH), Cantwell (D-WA), Cardin (D-MD), Carper (D-DE), Casey (D-PA), Coons (D-DE), Cowan (D-MA), Durbin (D-IL), Feinstein (D-CA), Franken (D-MN), Gillibrand (D-NY), Harkin (D-IA), Hirono (D-HI), Johnson (D-SD), Kaine (D-VA), King (I-ME), Klobuchar (D-MN), Landrieu (D-LA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), McCaskill (D-MO), Menendez (D-NJ), Merkley (D-OR), Mikulski (D-MD), Murphy (D-CT), Murray (D-WA), Nelson (D-FL), Reed (D-RI), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Sanders (I-VT), Schatz (D-HI), Schumer (D-NY), Shaheen (D-NH), Stabenow (D-MI), Udall (D-CO), Udall (D-NM), Warner (D-VA), Warren (D-MA), Whitehouse (D-RI), Wyden (D-OR)






seems the democrats were all for the USA being tied with the UN ..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
The USA stands with ITSELF as ALWAYS. It will not have its arms regulated by third world countries. It will not have its citizenry affected by what other countries think. Countries like those who are known enemies of the USA and western cultures.
That treaty would have been an utter disaster on MANY fronts including environmental. Let alone foreign invasion of OUR rights.

Things like having the UN patrol our waters is also quite ludicrous. The US Coast guard does excellent in that respect. THANKS to all those SMART and Loyal politicians that voted this down the tubes!!.

The UN has been and will continue to be the MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL GROUPING ever...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
your commentary is as incisive and compelling as ever...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Ron, how often do skydivers jump from above 18,000' (the lower limit of 'controlled airspace')?
Most turbine jump planes that I have seen are Twin Otters so they are
not allowed to go that high unless the pilot is using oxygen.

It is still a stupid tax.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
Ive posted the sections of that disaster here before Wade. Didnt feel the need for redundancy. The treaty was tossed. I wrote every rep i had numerous times over it with precise and detailed concerns over the many pitiful sections of that treaty. As that is where the effort counts, not here.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Reilly, i wasnt aware that they didnt include ALL classes of airspace.?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Ron, as far as I know jumping is only allowed in 'uncontrolled airspace'
unless special arrangements are made with the FAA or ATC. It may be that
jumping above FL 180 is SOP at heavily used jumping facilities. The one at
Perris comes to mind but it isn't that far from the final approach to March AFB.
Of course, nobody on the approach is going to be above 18K' but fighter jets
have been known to undertake 'creative' approaches.

Monday morning humour interlude:
One time I was flying my sailplane out of Hemet, just a few miles from Perris
on the other side of the March approach, and I was intently working
a thermal cause I had allowed myself to get kind of low (meaning almost out
of gliding distance back to the field). I gained a couple thousand feet and
was starting to breathe easier when all of a sudden a dark mass appeared in
my peripheral vision and quickly blotted out the ground! A C-141 Starlifter
passed directly below me! He looked so close and so big it appeared I could
have landed on his topside, if I could have caught him. I used the altitude
I had gained to get someplace safer. ;-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
That would leave an impression for sure- perhaps in the seat cushion from clamping ones buttocks! Never did get a ride in a glider..

But as for the tax, correct me if im wrong, but i thought that would include all classes of airspace near airports?.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Not all airports - many, maybe even most, small airports are in 'uncontrolled' airspace.
Even an airport with a tower can be in uncontrolled airspace,
and I can think of quite a few.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 15, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
uuuhhhhrogerthat over!

I know back when i was jumping we got some pretty long delays even when the dz was at 4700'.. So im guessing many jumps are upda troposphere some..
wait till they wanna tax climbers by altitude, or by meter.;-)
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
Will wonders never cease. Ralph Nader must have been reading my posts. He's jumped on board the idea that President Obama should not in any circumstance be the judge, jury and executioner. In my mind and in keeping with the law of the land, NO President has this right.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/ralph-nader-book-103908.html

Titled "Ralph Nader: Obama the ’executioner’"

highlight - "Obama “has extended the Bush doctrine by declaring his unilateral right, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner, to destroy anybody, anywhere in the world, including American citizens, suspected to be engaged in alleged terrorist activities, all this vaguely and loosely defined as anti-U.S. security.”

If he can kill anybody, then YOU, reading this, (or me bitching) can also be defined as a terrorist and simply killed. Wrong on so many levels. Glad to see Nader, essentially a trial lawyer shill, jump on the bandwagon and make the case.




Nader's book makes the case for a bipartisan effort to 'dismantle the corporate state.'
By PATRICK GAVIN | 2/25/14 6:33 AM EST

In his new book, Ralph Nader calls for the end of “unconstitutional wars and unchecked militarism” — and lays blame on President Barack Obama for going beyond even George W. Bush.

Nader writes in “Unstoppable” that Obama “has extended the Bush doctrine by declaring his unilateral right, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner, to destroy anybody, anywhere in the world, including American citizens, suspected to be engaged in alleged terrorist activities, all this vaguely and loosely defined as anti-U.S. security.”


He continues, “Inspired by the military actions of the Clinton administration, the Obama and Bush teams made a seamless transition into a militarized foreign policy, extending even further the illegal reach of wars of choice, invasions, incursions, and drone attacks, carried out irrespective of national sovereignties.”

The consumer crusader’s new book also makes the case for a bipartisan effort to “dismantle the corporate state.”

Nader, best known recently for his unsuccessful presidential runs, writes in “Unstoppable” (out in April), that “positive spirited persons of the Right and of the Left” can, in fact, come together.

“This book is addressed first to those people who are not knee-jerk rejectionists,” Nader writes. “It’s meant for those who want to explore another beckoning pathway — one that can rescue our country from being driven further into the ground and turn into a nation where many more of its inhabitants can fulfill their potential.”

(Also on POLITICO: Ralph Nader's plans for 2016)

“A major area of potential for building alliances comes from the deep aversion many people have to the wars of empire and corporate control over their lives, particularly the ever-tightening influence of Big Business on the mainstream media, elections, and our local, state, and federal governments.”

Much of the book focuses on Nader’s 25 proposed reforms, including linking the minimum wage with inflation and rethinking the war on drugs.

“The classification and prosecution of drug use as a crime has activated and corrupted law enforcement, encouraged a truly self-defeating form of big government, endangered urban neighborhoods and many thousands of lives, and drained tens of billions of dollars a year from taxpayers.”

Nader says that “almost all the politicians are for sale — with few enough successful exceptions to point to as the preferable, contrasting alternative of politicians actually concerned with the good of the people.”


Nader — no regular on the D.C. cocktail circuit — admits that pushing against the corporate state has its downfalls, especially for conservatives.

“Your social life might shut down,” he writes. “Invitations to homes and restaurants for dinner start to decline. You’re not on the guest list anymore. Outings with your customary friends and their families become rarer. Your deviation from the norm is seen as apostasy or blasphemy. A few tough-skinned conservatives may shrug this off. Most are hurt and cannot easily abide ostracism.”
couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 16, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
I was asked:
"So Couchmaster, I have to ask you why you don't admonish Rong for such denigration of Hillary Clinton."

As I have said a few times before, I rarely read Rons posts. Rarely means that it is very very uncommon, but it does occur. I have been sucked into previous conversations and on occasion asked him questions. On those occasions I monitor the threads reading his posts and have been answered. Otherwise, I just don't read his posts, unlike some who hang on his every word so they can be nasty to him.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 16, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
And yet YOU couchmaster sent me an email asking me to participate in this very thread when you first started it , then left me hanging. I thought that was "special"...
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