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jstan

climber
Dec 20, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
Escopeta:
Actually, it requires that one A-hole AND a host of other people willing to idly sit by rather than call that person out and make them own it.

It appears The Pit was a microcosm of society attitudes in general whereby people are willing to sub-contract all the justification and enforcement of what is right rather than confront them and demand they clean up their act or push-off down the road.


We need not to let Escopeta's out of date information mislead people. The Pit was not closed down because of trash. People wanting to use the Pit back in 2012 cleaned up not only the Pit but also the adjoining 18 acres. Before and after shots:
Credit: jstan
Credit: jstan

Since 2012 Phil Bircheff did a great job as sort of a camp host and there were no problems. A local person did dump 14 tires there but they were removed within the week.

If I might I would like to address the issue of how one best handles situations. Frequently people become angry when there are transgressions. Being angry is not a helpful response. We have found that simply clearing trash away immediately as it appears, and what is more, also removing anything that reappears is quite effective. People much prefer to deposit trash where there is already trash. cf: Alice's Restaurant.

I seldom have had trash reappear. Generally when a parcel is cleared, a for sale sign is put up by the owner. Don't think for a moment no one notices. This is a powerful and growing movement. Being "in the van", as the Brits say, is really cool.

Edit:
I looked up the zoning. The parcel is zoned one acre residential which is about the most restrictive. There are procedures for using the lot for other purposes but waivers and public involvement seem to be required. And the use would have to be code compliant. These all act to make free camping a challenge.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Dec 20, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
Glad to hear it was on the straight and narrow.

Now all that's left is the disagreement on the appropriate response.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Dec 20, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
Whoa, how sad. The pit gone..... I only stayed there once, but for me it was a safety valve. Just knowing it was there if I really, really needed a place to stay for a night or two was a terrific fallback. I'm not surprised, just saddened that another "special spot" has been laid to rest.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 20, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
overwatch

climber
Dec 20, 2015 - 05:54pm PT
Egosweater, another ITG
jstan

climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:13pm PT
The problem presented by dumping in the Pit is on the way to solution. The eighteen and a half acre parcel now has two Berkshire Hathaway realtor signs on it for an asking price of $1,200,000.

As of a few weeks ago there was a new pile of slash on the property that I have no plans for removing. A new owner will be responsible.
locker

climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:19pm PT


"an asking price of $1,200,000."...

I am totally ignorant on current prices on land and such...

Is that a JOKE, or is it for real???...

And is it a realistic price???...

Is property value THAT high in Joshua Tree???...

???...

Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
With bad math that is like 67k per acre. A while back small lots in Indian Cover were going for up to 50k (.25 to .3 acre) Developers took a bath on that, but still. I think most standard lots are about 5 acres for 20 to 50K. Maybe this one is a bit better due to location and size. Not like I'd be paying it...

Edit: quick look around that area shows 5 acres for 75k and a few 1 acres in the 30k range... so yeah, maybe that is what they are going for. Unreal... Bring on the man-buns braj!
locker

climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:32pm PT

"I think most standard lots are about 5 acres for 20 to 50K."...


^^^

That sounds like a more realistic price range...

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
That sounds like a more realistic price range...

For a meth lab site. Been looking for quite a while up in Washington and Oregon.
Nice property up there goes for $20-30K/acre, and up.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:44pm PT
After another look... if you are looking to fire up a dab/wax/shatter/grease/bubble/datura/flakka lab, there is land going for way less on the outskirts. For 5k you can be hangin' in your cargo container with a lab coat on and well away from it all, on acreage. Sounds like a location issue on the big price tag.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:50pm PT
5k you say? Sounds like a dream.
locker

climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:51pm PT


" Been looking for quite a while up in Washington and Oregon.
Nice property up there goes for $20-30K/acre, and up. "
...

Considering the price range and your above comment...

shall I go ahead and ASSUME that you'll be setting up a lab???...

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
You may! Iíve signed Dr Frank N Furter to run it - I donít do fumes well.

BTW, Iím rockiní some oxycontin as we type! Total n00b but it is SWEET!
That was while I was getting the really gud shite earlier today! <br/>
Hom...
That was while I was getting the really gud shite earlier today!
Home now, hence only the Oxy. :-:
Credit: Reilly
locker

climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 05:00pm PT


LOfukingL!!!...

Perfect!!!...

David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Dec 1, 2017 - 05:09pm PT
Reilly i hope its nothing serious and that you can sit back and relax and enjoy the good shite!!!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 1, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
Reilly i hope its nothing serious

Thanks, Dave, been putting it off for a while but
I can't tell you how liberating a gud lobotomy is!
I feel more a part of the Super Topo community now!
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 05:22pm PT
If someone's getting "the good shite" for something non-serious, the practitioners should be questioned. Opioid addiction is serious, and it often starts with prescriptions from doc. Not suggesting Reilly is apt to abuse - just saying; the days of popping painkillers like Oxycontin like they are candy is over, except in cases when docs are unethical.


...............

As for 5K parcels in the outskirst - I have been looking. Problem is building to code and following zoning regs brings the cost up considerably. One can only "camp" on a parcel in San Bernardino County 3 days out of 30.



FWIW - I am hoping to look at some Rec Cabin designated parcels when I am there this winter. One with remnants of the shack preferred. I'll be there about mid December(I'm in Eastern Kansas today). If anyone has some leads, I'd appreciate them!
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 1, 2017 - 05:31pm PT
One can only "camp" on a parcel in San Bernardino County 3 days out of 30.

Credit: Russ Walling

I got a lotta dough that says code enforcement is not going out there on day 4 and roust you and your multimeter. Park in the middle and buy a camo tarp and you will be golden.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 1, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
I've been looking in that area and it's a possibility(though I haven't saved up as I should have, and have been buying beads along the way on this trip like mad), but I would really like one w/Rec Cabin designation, and those are going going, almost gone, with all the LA people buying them and turning into AirBnB's.

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