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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
g--

I wonderfully saw & heard Richie Havens at the Monterery Jazz in 1968. What a performer! He loved the audience and sang his heart out!

Freedom! Freedom!

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Jan, technically it was two generations later, but you can slide. You were there.

It must have been hectic--I like slow and the ones who mattered were fast, too fast.

Slow wind, easy mind.

Fast wind, frantic mind.

Whirlwind, chaotic mind.

Vietnam and racial unrest produced chaos.

Which fertilized future peace while other hate seeds took root for the next gen to deal with.


from Donavoan--
Happiness runs in a circular motion
Thought is like a little boat upon the sea
Everybody is a part of everything anyway
You can have everything if you let yourself be
You can have everything if you let yourself be...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 23, 2013 - 12:14am PT
The chaotic 60's bled into the more mundane 70's which morphed into the, everyone for himself, greedy 80's. One thing for sure, human nature doesn't change........the circular nature of history.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 23, 2013 - 12:15am PT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 23, 2013 - 12:29am PT
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(Don't call him z. Don't call him Brown.)

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rrider

climber
Mckinleyville, Ca
Apr 23, 2013 - 02:51am PT
I’m ten years younger than Jim Donini, and never served or went to a protest. The draft ended shortly after I received my high lottery number 222. Growing up in the hills above Stanford, most of what I saw of the sixties was just hippies and the music. I never got involved in the politics other than joining the Sierra Club, but I cautiously observed some of the lifestyle trends.
A girl in one of my 7th grade classes told about going to a concert in SF where she smoked marijuana. She was the first girl I ever saw wearing purple eye shadow. ~1966

There was a hippie commune just up the street on Big Tree Way; we’d hike up there and spy on them during their parties. About a mile south on Skyline Blvd was the Black Sh#t Puppy Farm; a hippie band occupying an old estate mansion.
There was a hippie hostel of some kind on Cowper St just down from my cousins’ place in Palo Alto. You could just wander-in to two floors of incense, black lights, beaded and velvet curtains; it was when hippies were still pretty mellow in general. There’s a few hippies left, but too many druggies now.

My take on the difference between druggies and hippies:
‘Hippies’ seemed to aspire to a liberal, alternative, or even aesthetic lifestyle; drugs were just a part of it. They would mainly get violent for a political cause. They had more respect for straight folk, maybe.
‘Druggies’ narrowed it down to a lifestyle specializing in the drug trade and addiction. They get violent if you threaten their deal or their supply. They don't respect anyone but their own. They give tie-dye a bad name.

In Skylonda, what is now Alice’s Restaurant, used to be Tad Sommer’s Chevron. That’s where Ken Kesey’s Prankster Bus sat for a while (impounded maybe?). As a six or seventh grader, I walked around the thing, marveling. It might have been an early version of the bus, because I remember it was mostly a red paint job with exterior speakers and cardboard tube gun turret, and weird graffitti.
That was around when the Hell’s Angels would come up to the Junction on weekend mornings and take over the parking lot in front of the old Skywood Chateau and Hank Jamrog’s little grocery store. They appeared scary but were nice to us kids and our dog.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 23, 2013 - 04:05am PT
The 60's generation was definitely divided between those who were political and those who were hippies.

Lots of ironies alright. Donini burned his draft card after serving in Special Forces and scored. I protested and ended up teaching touchy feely cross cultural classes to the military. The great thing about our country is that such contrasts are possible. Nobody could tell better anti war stories by the way, than the guys who had been there.

The Powell Weinberger Doctrine was initiated as a result of the military's lessons from that war which of course the politicians disregarded in their race to Baghdad.

Don't get involved unless there is a clear threat to our national security
Don't go without the support of the American people
Have clear cut and attainable goals
Fight to win
Have a clear cut exit strategy

SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 23, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Have any of you ever been involved in protests?

It was interesting what this thread brought up for me. That and the release of the Redford movie "The Company You Keep". Haven't seen it, not sure if I will because so much of that time is romanticized.

My first experience was when my brother and I were to return to college. We both went to Penn in Philly. We left our home near Lake Erie and rather than turning Ease we turned West. "Where we goin?" Well we ended up in Chicago, August 1968 at the Democratic National Convention. If you are reading this thread then you probably know what that was all about.

It changed my life...my outlook...shook me up really bad. I became extremely active, SDS, not Weather and I never blew anyone or anything up or stuff like that. I do recall endless "criticism" sessions where we robustly debated what the line in the sand was from being a radical to becoming a revolutionary. Then May 4, 1970 happened...and more depth of despair about what was happening.

We knew stuff that had happened and was happening on the West Coast, primarily Berkeley, but we considered it all amateur stuff, just California hippies enjoying more fun in the sun. California was looked at at the place to go for easy communal living, but the REAL work was happening in Michigan and the East Coast...yeah Columbia!

Marching on Washington with the rooftops covered with gun toting National Guard was chilling. Being rounded up more times than I can count and being shuffled into RFK Stadium was getting to be pretty routine. Seeing lists of names of my friends eventually showing up in HUAC hearings and reports.

Those days shaped me, but they didn't end up owning me like those that had to go underground or paid a higher price.

Back then....

Credit: SCseagoat


Susan
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 23, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
I remember policemen with big guns on the roofs overlooking Telegraph Avenue. And I was spit on by drunken sailors during a San Francisco Peace parade. Up to that point it felt like we were a small minority but during that parade for which hundreds of thousands showed up and you could see them stretched for miles up and down the hills of San Francisco, we knew we were not alone and were making progress even though Lyndon Johnson declared that he didn't care how many demonstrators were in the street he wasn't going to "tuck tail and run".

And mouse from merced, although the people sent to die in Iraq were two generations later than Vietnam and naive, our political leaders were not. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield all were young during the Vietnam War and avoided the draft with various deferments. All the more shame they couldn't wait to send other people's teenage sons and daughters off to war.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 23, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
All the more shame they couldn't wait to send other people's teenage sons and daughters off to war.

WORD WORD WORD...


Susan
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 23, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield all were young during the Vietnam War and avoided the draft with various deferments. All the more shame they couldn't wait to send other people's teenage sons and daughters off to war.

yep

and Cheney got FIVE "deferments", he said he had "other priorities" in his personal life

and Bush? He was AWOL from his Texas National Guard duty, messing around in a political rally out of state


god I hate people who act SO tough and beat the drums of war, and ducked service
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 23, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Jan....burning my draft card to score at the March on the Pentagon was cynical but successful. On a more altruistic note....my experiences in the 60's in the Special Forces forever shaped my feelings about war and guns.
War.....I don't trust politicians, none of whom have sons and daughters in harms way, to make decisions about sending young Americans onto the battlefield. This may seem counter intuitive, but, i believe that most general officers are better equipped in that area- they know that war is horrid and should not be glorified.
Guns.....having used weapons suited only for battle, i cannot understand why are congress men and women cannot make common sense decisions about restricting assault weapons and large capacity magazines.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Apr 23, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
In other words, Jim, why does 90% public approval not equal 60 senators or greater.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 23, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
I agree with you Jim, it is the politicians who glorify war, not the military with any experience of it.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 23, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
Credit: zBrown
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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2013 - 12:55am PT
You'll have to do better, zBrown.

How come the judge?

Is that Dick Gregory, by chants?

Fat Lembert Dome?

bKool for school?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 24, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
"just don't judge me my shoes"

that is a more robust Bobby Seale.



don't confuse with H. Rap Brown



When the judge heard he'd be trying a Black Panther, he is alleged to have said, "well they've never contended with the Orange Julius now have they. I'll put 'em all in shackles".

No, that is not a misprint he did not mention shekels. (had to look that one up for spelling purposes). Some who are not in the know might call these just another type of fastenber, but we know better.







That is not Robert the Bruce above, but could be a relative.

In any event:

Corn in the fields
Listen to the rice when the wind blows 'cross the water
King harvest has surely come



mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
That's ALL OVER yer BLUES.

Yer blue, pardon. It's a lot quieter.

GO JOHNNY GO!

JAMES, ELMORE.

Boogie on my middle name.

JAMES GANG.

It's Jim James Shirley's name, too.

JAMES RIVER.

Oh, fer sure.

BALDWIN, JAMES.

Which naturally leads us back to Atwater and the F'n Gs.



Don't ask, I ain't sayn.

It sure feels good.

No more catch0-up.

Ain't that lead a FLAKE!

Becalm me.

Take down the walls.

Rebuild me a ocean.

Type me some kind words and notes.

Soft and blue.

Fill that sea with I, you, me, we.

And call it the sea of dreams.

Credit: mouse from merced



Gene

climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Credit: Gene

My high school classmate (left) on the day (8/7/70 - not quite the 60s) he died near the Marin County Court House. 17 years old. Soledad Lad.

g
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 25, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Judge Haley, I think would have preferred the Orange Julius.




As Warren Zevon has observed

"That Amazing Grace
Sort of passed you by
You wake up every day
And you start to cry"

In case anyone is wondering what ever became of Geoge Jackson:







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