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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 24, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
"People talk abut the sixties as if it was a whole decade of revolution when in truth the early part of the sixties was just as hidebound as the fifties. It wasn't until later, 1968, when Anna was seventeen, that it really exploded.

That year, like the rest of the country, Anna had watched the Democratic convention take the revolution to the whole nation, showing them all as clearly as a movie who the villains really were. Then the shouting began, and the momentum was not to be stopped; the noise became an action that swept everyone along. No one could resist it, at least no one under forty. They said thirty, but it was bigger than that. Forty. No one under forty.

Change was flourishing. The ugliest part was over. The whole country was loving it. TV, movies, young, old, everyone was kicking up his heels at the new freedom. And, in the full bloom of the seventies, they thought they had all the time in the world."

If Wishes Were Horses is by Francine Pascal, known to millions of girls as the author of the Sweet Valley High series. It's where this quote came from.

I gave it four stars in my Duncan Hines rating system, four being tops, for being Right On.

Lots and lots of sixites raps out there in the Taco.

"You are what you eat, dude. You gonna eat the rest of that?"--cafeteria-scarfing , bandit-camping, dirt-bagging layabout

"Kermit Beckey, a former Los Angeles police officer, bought the first Taco Bell franchise from Glen Bell in 1964, and located it in Torrance....In 1978, PepsiCo purchased Taco Bell from Glen Bell."--Wikipedia, "Taco Bell"

If some of you boomers don't haven't got gut-busters and mind-blowers to relate, it would bum me out, so please do your thing and post up.

Climbing-related is groovy.

Credit: Steve Roper image

A huge but mellow bump for Steve Grossman as the keeper of the flame of history on the Taco.

Edit: I must confess to having posted this topic in response to Francine Pascal's book, which title comes from a Mother Goose rhyme. Thus:

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride,
If turnips were watches,
I'd wear one by my side.
And if "ifs" and "ands"
Were pots and pans,
There'd be no work for tinkers.

I'll be leaving for Facelift soon. Before I split, I'd like to say that these responses are Primo and I never expected so much feedback. I urge all who visit this topic, please share if you were there; even if you weren't there, you likely were still somehow affected, if you think on it.

"You are not what you were, but you are what you think." So digest that mantra and meditate about a possible response of some kind. It's your station, after all. Thank you for tuning in to ST/C-4, the Taco History Channel.

See you to da Upper Pinesninsula, eh?

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Sep 24, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
Bump for Mouse.

I was camping in White Wolf during the 1968 Democratic Convention. One of the women I was camping with insisted on listening to the convention so she would hear McCarthy's name placed into nomination. Only then did we find out what was going on outside in Chicago.

Actually, that was quite an eventful August. It snowed in White Wolf, The Warsaw Pact invaded Czechoslovakia, the Chicago Seven "entertained" Chicago, and I got to see a team top out after doing the Regular Route on the Northwest Face of Half Dome (I was a baby climber then) all in that same two-week period.


Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 24, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
The 60's, the 60's....hmmm, can't seem to remember- damn, that means I must have been there.

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Sep 24, 2012 - 03:24pm PT

1968 the dead put out some of their best shows,
pigpen was only wee deep in the disease,

hunter was healthy and electric,
lsd was legal,

i love the eleven recorded sometime during the llth month.

casidy was juggling sledge hammers at the tests,
kesey had proper report with the skewed conscious plane.

bill graham was alive and torturing jerry,

janice owned all women's voice,
i was dead, before i was borne.

sex was hip.

i was still shy of life by a few years,
though i prematurely joined the dance
and co-authored with jerry
st. stephen,
though hunter takes credit for the lyrics,
he was merely me for an afternoon spell
upon a picnic table in the park,

i was honored to stand in shoes.

the wrest were the seventies,
of which i know little.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 24, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
I was born in 1950 so was a teenager all through the 1960s.

For almost of us of that generation it was a coming of age: leaving high school, having friends come home from Vietnam in body bags, protesting that war with chants and marches, experimenting with LSD and marijuana, growing our hair out long and cutting college class to spend the time in bed with our girlfriends, fully endorsing and living the "free love" mantra of the time.

We boys sat in front of our TVs as 365 slips of paper were randomly pulled out of a rotating thing to find out what draft number we were assigned.

They were drafting "18-6" then, eighteen and a half years old and if you did not have a Student Deferment, you were soon going to be forced to join the army or flee to Canada.

It was the both the best and worst of times.............

The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Sep 24, 2012 - 03:33pm PT
LSD was legal until 1966,

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Sep 24, 2012 - 04:02pm PT

You must remember the first draft lottery in late 1969. I ended up with No. 283; my roommate ended up with No. 6! He had his 2-S, though, so he never got drafted. I, on the other hand, was 1A and 18 1/2. Fortunately, my draft number saved me, and within a couple of months, I was 4H and off the draft radar.

Also, the Curry Company decided to get in the climbing act in a big way in the late '60's. They hired Wayne Merry, Loyd Price and Gary Colliver, among others, leading to the following limerick by Galen Rowell:

"'Why should climbing be free,'
Thought the infamous YP&C.
Now Merry and Price
ply the world's oldest vice
and share the concessionaire's fee."

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
Go thou and climb a rock for that!!!

Nice limerick, though I think it's cruel.

Wayne, he called you a Curry ho.

Popcorn, anyone?

Edit: I am not serious, of course. It's not you who called anyone a whore. It was our climbing photography pioneer, St. Galen. RIP.

We likely all know of Glen Denny's eloquent graphic depiction of thie era in Yosemite in the Sixties. If you don't, you need to get hip to it, baby.

Here's a blast from the past that I got off on concerning a particular photo from Glen's outasight book.
That link isn't flying. I found it by clicking this photo on Google Images and seeking book called Yosemite in the Sixties. It's a story about Bill Covington and Joni.
Credit: Glen Denny

Gail Ritchie, Tom Gerughty's GF, who worked in the Mountain Shop, was a very hip chick who listened strictly to Neil Young while she was on duty. We got an earful of Cinnamon Girl, especially.

Fossil Climber tells me she is a very good ceramiscist in her present existence.

Howdy, Gail!


Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 24, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
Where were you in '62? (not from the top of my head, I picked up most of this info at the local head .. er .. surf shop

The First Wal-Mart discount store was opened by by Sam Walton in Bentonville Arkansas

Oral Polio Vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and given to millions of children to combat Polio

How Much things cost in 1962

Yearly Inflation Rate USA 1.20%
Yearly Inflation Rate UK 3.6%
Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 652
Average Cost of new house $12,500.00
Average Income per year $5,556.00
Average monthly rent $110.00 per month
Tuition to Harvard University $1,520.00
All Wheel Drive Scout off road $2,150.00
Renault Imported car $1,395.00
Average Cost of a new car $3,125.00
Eggs per dozen 32 cents
Gas per Gallon 28 cents
Factory Workers Average Take Home Pay with 3 dependents $94.87

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Sep 24, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
st galen...

i like it alot.

st galen.

patron saint of
enthalpic documentation.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
Sep 24, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
In 69 I worked the summer at the Ahwahnee as a houseman, watched the moon landing on a barely working B&W tv in camp 6. I believe that year I also watched the Glacier Point Hotel burn down (was that in 1969?). It had been an incredibly wet winter and the Valley was lush like I'd never seen it. Went climbing for the first time that summer and was absolutely hooked... the sixties, the great bulge of baby boomers coming of age, the war, assassinations, political strife, social unrest, the mountains and climbing became my refuge from what seemed at the time an insane world.

No doubt:
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way"
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Sep 24, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
I'm gonna gamble that mouse can tell us a story about these guys.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2012 - 07:22pm PT

Who, me? It's a sure bet, you'd better, you'd better, you bet.

Here's a link to Michael Kennedy's (not THAT Kennedy) site on Merced's early music scene. Mike's hair is no longer past his shoulders, I see, and he hasn't lost any girth!

If you click this site, the plane you go to will give some dope on the Brogues, who are a very important band in terms of the development of pyschedelic music and the SF rock scene in particular. I suggest searching in the search box for Quicksilver Messenger Service.

The video on the searched page is a gem. It is part of the same set in which Janis sang her heart out at Monterey. The beauty at 1:20 is in the video of the Holding Company. It's around on the Taco channel.

The poster advertising the December, 1968, gig at the Fairgrounds here was memory-jolting for me. Rich DeLong, the promoter, was a classmate of mine; and my next-door neighbor, CO Williams, another classmate (1966 MHS), who ran the light show that night from the mezzanine, allowed me to help. The place reeked of weed in the bathrooms! Surprisingly, for Merced, no one was hassled!

One of the QSM, as they began a second set (Whoa!), said into the mike:
"We know shere you're at, Merced."

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 24, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
Talk about a lost decade! OK, at least the second part, for me. Spent it
staring at my naval, along with my fellow midshipmen. And to think I could
have been somebody and gone to Berkeley and made a difference.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 24, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
I can't vouch for the importance of any of these events or that they even happened, but another guy down at the surf store claims they were important
and he had 'em arranged chronologically

Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho Released
Brazil's Capital Moves to Brand New City
First Televised Presidential Debates
Lasers Invented
Adolf Eichmann on Trial for Role in Holocaust
Bay of Pigs Invasion
Berlin Wall Built
Peace Corps Founded
Soviets Launch First Man in Space
Andy Warhol Exhibits His Campbell's Soup Can
Cuban Missile Crisis
First Person Killed Trying to Cross the Berlin Wall
Marilyn Monroe Found Dead
Rachel Carson Publishes Silent Spring
Betty Friedan Publishes The Feminine Mystique
JFK Assassinated
Martin Luther King Jr. Makes His "I Have a Dream" Speech
Beatles Become Popular in U.S.
Cassius Clay (a.k.a. Muhammad Ali) Becomes World Heavyweight Champion
Civil Rights Act Passes in U.S.
Hasbro Launches GI Joe Action Figure
Nelson Mandela Sentenced to Life in Prison
Warren Report on JFK's Assassination Issued
Japan's Bullet Train Opens
Los Angeles Riots
Malcolm X Assassinated
New York City Great Blackout
U.S. Sends Troops to Vietnam
Black Panther Party Established
Mao Zedong Launches the Cultural Revolution
Mass Draft Protests in U.S.
Star Trek T.V. Series Airs
Australian Prime Minister Disappears
Che Guevara Killed
First Heart Transplant
First Super Bowl
Six-Day War in the Middle East
Stalin's Daughter Defects
Three U.S. Astronauts Killed During Simulated Launch
Martin Luther King Jr. Assassinated
My Lai Massacre
Prague Spring
Robert F. Kennedy Assassinated
Tet Offensive
ARPANET, the Precursor of the Internet, Created
Charles Manson and "Family" Arrested
Neil Armstrong Becomes the First Man on the Moon
Rock-and-Roll Concert at Woodstock
Senator Edward Kennedy Leaves the Scene of an Accident
Sesame Street First Airs
Yasser Arafat Becomes Leader of the PLO
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
Hodads entered.
Beatniks morphed into hippies.
Peaceniks grew longer beards and started wearing granny glasses.
Paisley, paisley, paisley.
The "Brim" was scoffed at in NYC's Easter Parade in 1961.
Your surf shop guy sure has a good memory.
How much weed does the guy smoke and does he recall the advent of reggae?

Sep 24, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
A strange era. I had served in the USAF and was in the inactive reserves in the mid 1960s when I got a letter asking me to go into the active reserves, so I resigned my commission instead (I was a captain), rather than get sucked into the Vietnam quagmire. Watching Huntley-Brinkley on the evening news routinely providing the death tolls was a grim part of daily life.

I recall most vividly watching the moon landing in 1969 in a trailor I was living in on the outskirts of Fort Collins, going outside to a beautiful clear night and looking up at a full moon, then at the TV through the open door, imagining I was up there.

Gas cost about $.29 at a nearby Gasomat.

Earlier, I was in class at the U. of Alabama when JFK was shot. I followed developments closely and watched live TV as Ruby shot and killed Oswald.

Govenor Wallace made a stand at the University to deny entrance to a black student and somewhere in the distance the ROTC unit fired a cannon for some reason or other. Upon hearing it, a classmate said "I hope they hit the SOB this time!"


Sep 24, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
"Don't trust anyone over 30" has evolved to "don't trust anyone under 60".....
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
Goldie, 2012
Goldie, 2012

Hawn, hawn, hawn!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
A Really Nice Thing.
I am on my way tomorrow aft. to the Facelift.
Lililabiene will be driving in from SFO and snagging me. I promised her that I would act as her unofficial guide.

"I wonder if I'm dreaming, I feel so unashamed, I can't believe this is happening to me..."-PF
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