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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 11:45am PT
i truly WISH the wolves like Nevada country more.. We have TONS of horses to feed them..
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Sep 3, 2012 - 11:56am PT
I like the idea of letting nature take its course. I grew up in the country in a popular deer hunting area. Witnessed salt licks and tree stands that made it pretty easy to bag a set of antlers. I never have hunted in my life but I have had good venison jerky. One of my buddies once shot a elk (his rack was as big as the front of an SUV) they packed 200 lbs of meat out of a 1200 lb animal home (what a waste). I feel like if you hunt you get all of the animal home with you and as part of getting to use our natural resources (for your hunting pleasure) a donation to a soup kitchen or food pantry should be mandatory along with utilizing every thing possible of the animal.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
Ron...Have you heard about the Mickey D's new Mustang-Cheesburger...?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
a society that allowed 40% of its poor people to be children

That's an interesting statement right there!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
RJ,, i thought that "burger" i had there the other day was a bit chewy!


Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
Why is it that reactionaries have such a problem with benign ( yeah I know we're all public trough ranchers) predators like wolves, and yet mountain lions, which actually do, cause problems for people, like eating them -something wolves don't do- get a pretty much free pass? Ie problem animals are dealt with on a case by case basis, but you don't hear calls for eradication. There are no problem wolves, (again except for private commercial special interests) so no case by case dealings, and yet the hysteria is rampant.

Is it just that Big cats don't threaten their manhood on a psychological level?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
JAYBRO,, wolves do indeed eat people. BUt even worse, unlike mtn lions, they kill out of habit and "fun". They run deer, elk, and many other mammals relentlessly- and either catch them or chase them from the area. Wolves unlike mtn lions herd up thus increasing the size of animals they chase. Its much like GANGS,, find one alone- they aren't much trouble,, but find them in the PACK and yur in deep shyte.. It is VERY rare for a cat to attack a LARGE dog in his own yard, yet wolves will think nothing of it. I offer a freind of mine as eveidence as one of his hounds was dragged out of a kennel by a pack of wolves.

the result pictured below.

Credit: Ron Anderson

after a few grand the dog made a marvelous recovery! And if I were Phil,, id be exacting revenge and collect 3000.00 worth of wolf pelt.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
There a lot of wolves out there in mound house Ron? Hadn't heard that. Good to get that first hand info.

Thanks for playing along
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
not from moundhouse Jaybro, Phil lives in Montana.. All i have to worry bout here is bobcat, mtn lion, bears,coyotes and grey fox. ( actually they help me by getting rid of animal parts not used lol)

Just let wolves get a hold in the great basin,, and youll here those horse people scream from here to washington lol! It would be a brilliant plan imo. Let the wolves take care of the horse pops, then we handle the wolf pops.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
put into climber terms,, letting wolves loose in your hood would be akin to letting loose NOOB bolters on yur favorite crag with NO RULES established other that they can do what they please. YIKES!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
Ron...Wolves are like gangs...? I see where you are going with this analogy...Here comes the racial profiling again...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
BBAHAHAHAA! Why Yes RJ,, now that you mention it i do see cross references!

Handling the two problems should be INDENTICAL too!;-)
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
A wolf lying in a pool of blood is very heart rending. Sad it came to to this... half of the transplanted wolf population in Idaho slain by hunting and trapping as well as illegal killing in the last year.

And perhaps more newspaper or magazine headlines heralding THE RETURN OF THE GRAY WOLF will impel more wolf tag sales!

...while they slyly omit the fact that 99% of the wolves in the world are Gray Wolves...and passing over the specific that there is no evidence of the transplanted Occidentalis subspecies having occupied the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, ever.

The metro-press will continue putting a gloss on the experiment and cloaking the local quandry in Idaho/Montana/Wyoming.

The wrong wolf in the right niche is what results with government money, mecenary biologists and as as Rox expressed it... eco-ninnies bearing down on bureaucrats and judges rule.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
this was settled long ago by smart people who saw the need to push these populations far to the north ( Canada) . That was long ago, and things were really quite fine. Wolves all over Canada, the N territories, Alaska. They simply got PUSHED out of areas being settled. Phase forward 150 years and we have WAY more "settlements way more people and way more issues with the available public lands. So now was just a dandy time to re-introduce a species in even less lands to freely roam than ever before, and not expect it to be a complete quagmire.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
More wolves...fewer ranchers. The demographics favor wolves, cattle ranching is a dying industry in most of the West just as sheep ranching is in Patagonia. Wolves are repopulating their ancestral home- who is the immigrant group in this case? Ranching has been around for less than 150 years, when did the first wolves appear on the scene?
Cragar

Trad climber
MSLA - MT
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
oh the lies these wolf 'hunters' tell. The lowest form of human soul, and those lacking empathy, understanding and survival can be found in trappers and hunters of wolves.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
Thats all nice to say JD,, but the facts are wolves kill for fun, all day/night long. Can you see yosemite getting a nice pop of wolves?

we arent talking just rancher concerns here. ALL other wildlife already pushed into ever decreasing habitat will be the victims of an animal that kills for fun night and day. Now , if your saying we should all just move down into uninhabited areas,, death valley is gonna get hella crowded. Youll have to move out of Colo due to encroaching on deer, elk, and bear habitats.

the wolves thrive and enjoy their northern haunts now. Why mess with a working system? Ive personally seen coyotes attack dogs here and my friends have experienced the wolf handy work first hand. They have lost horses dogs and cats, chickens ,hogs, and cows sheep and goats. WE have lost elk, sheep, antelope, deer, small bears, rabbits, coons, foxs, minks and martens etc etc.
Ill bet Rattlers used to inhabit where or near your house is, yet your not going to import thirty or so to "re-introduce" the species are ya?

Credit: Ron Anderson

my "wolf work" ^^^standing wolf was just under six feet.

monolith

climber
albany,ca
Sep 3, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
Yes, those vicious canadian wolves couldn't possibly wander into Idaho or viceversa. They don't have passports. Let's test the dna of ranchers and see how they match the first human inhabitants. The dna classification of wolves has gone from 24 down to just 5 now in north america because there was so much interbreeding.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Sep 3, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
Indeed they do occasionally Mono, but the SSS clause usually took care of the problem with out so much as a local headline. Even then there have been small populations in N ID and Mont both for quite some time. So you intro wolves with 100 percent fed protection, and eventually have to stifle all hunting as the game will be disappearing at an alarming rate. Game which has been brought back to healthy populations through hunters efforts over decades. So the wolves get their rightful lands back and the game starts vanishing. So the ranchers have to quit,,, the hunters have to quit,, erasing entire industries, and ways of life that are as old as the wolf itself-ie HUNTING. Meanwhile, wolves become the aplha predator of all the woods, around crags, in parks -pretty much wherever they please. Good by Fido, see ya lil kitty-poo. Hope you dont have horses or lamas, or "pakas"..


fact is wolves have to be controlled just like all other populations these days. We talk about it all the time in HUMAN stand points (while encouraging illegal populations to come here and breed like rabbits-odd irony there) so we must talk about it with an alpha predator of the wilds. Let there be the occasional wolf or two.. Not packs of twenty. cant buy that..
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Sep 3, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
Ranchers didn't eliminate the wolves from Yellowstone or Idaho. They were extirpated by federal marshalls in the early twentieth century with an active shooting and poisoning campaign. A small population of the native subspecies was said to exist in Idaho wilderness areas...and slowly making a comeback before the introduction of the Mackenzie Valley subspecies.

The Gray Wolf subspecies classifications were not based on DNA profiling..
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