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10b4me

Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:51am PT
Unfortunately because of the bullshit that organized religions espouse, people have no alternative other than to become atheists.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:52am PT
Once again, the Virtuous Pagans are excluded. Sheesh!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
Squishy, might I presume you related to what Sam Harris said?

Anyways, thanks for super-tweeting his ideas.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
why do we have two atheist threads?

are we evangelizing?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:52pm PT
Perhaps I am the only one who cares about the proper spelling of atheist?

Btw, evangelizing merely means... getting the message out. Only Christian evangelizing has given the word a crappy side.

Evangelizing science, also the value of science education, are good things.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
Anyone with an education...

Alright, a science education then.

Organized religions in Abrahamic form are a crockpot of bronze-age misconceptions institutionalized when it comes to truth-claims regarding how the world works. Straight as that.

Anyone who is science and history literate will realize this and anyone with a backbone will take a stand to evangelize this in the interest of human civilization.

Unless he is so old or worn down or burned out he just doesn't care anymore. (There are umpteen millions in this camp.)

Blessed are the young people (with unbounding energy) who push the envelope into terra incognita.
P.Rob

Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
Anyone with an education...

Alright, a science education then

In his personal testimony, Dr. Schaefer writes that on his fourth year as a faculty member at UC Berkeley, he became a Christian. Ever since, he has made the most of his opportunities as a gifted chemist and teacher to speak on the topics of faith and science to a wide, mostly college audience. Dr. Schaefer speaks convincingly that one can be a credible scientist and a committed Christian, that the scientific view is not necessarily opposed to the religious. Dr. Schaefer is also willing to speak about his personal experiences and struggles as a Christian, including having to deal with the death of his adopted infant son to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). A man of unquestioned intelligence, with a passion for sharing his faith, Dr. Schaefer almost left his faculty position at the University of Georgia when he was criticized for being too outspoken about God (which was quickly resolved in his favor). Dr. Schaefer is the Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and the director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia. He has authored more than 900 scientific publications. He has been recognized as one of the most cited chemists in the world and was nominated for the Nobel Prize. He graduated from M.I.T. and has a Ph.D. in chemical physics from Stanford University
http://www.veritas.org/Presenters.aspx?pid=23


Does this qualify?


P.S. Evangelism is derived from the Greek word euaggelion, meaning “gospel” or “good news.” The verbal forms of euaggelizesthai, meaning “to bring” or “to announce good news” occur some fifty-five times (Acts 8:4, Acts 8:25, Acts 8:35; Acts 11:20) and are normally translated with the appropriate form of the word “preach.” Evangelism has to do with the proclamation of the message of good news.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
It's too bad me and Fruity could never team up
He is just a little judgemental to aid a fellow traveler, and instead bites the hand that feeds him

Dr. F,

but I think we are something of a team already. Maybe good cop bad cop fits the bill? Yeah, and you're the good cop, m'kay? ;)

We gotta keep the pot stirred, that's what evolution working on these so-called "culture wars" needs to work its best.

We're like different players on the gridiron, that's all. We may have different strategies and moves but we both have the very same multi-strategy playbook, and we both know where the goal line is. That's what matters.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
Sorry P. Rob, there are always exceptions, but face the facts. In a country, by all measures extremely religious, only 7% of eminent scientists (those elected to the National Academy of Sciences) believe in a personal god.
P.Rob

Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
“Belief is a wise wager. Granted that faith cannot be proved, what harm will come to you if you gamble on its truth and it proves false? If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation, that He exists.”
― Blaise Pascal, Pensées

There is a God shaped vacuum in the heart of every man which cannot be filled by any created thing, but only by God, the Creator, made known through Jesus.
Blaise Pascal


A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public.1 Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view
Mr. Donini of all the folks on threads of these currents you have modeled, IMO, the most consistent and decent personality. Unfortunately many have chosen to behave in the very fashion they rail against “ If you do not believe like me than you are & a ” – Just fill in the blank with ones favorite pejorative - Nothing sweet or learned about them – base name calling, and E thuggery. Different sides of the same evil coin.


P.S. wikipedia is not always the best source Mr.D
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
I agree with you P.Rob, it seems that where religion or politics are concerned, intelligent discourse is often replaced by vitriol and ad hominen arguments. Too bad, arguments can be presented in a collegial manner and still carry weight.
P.Rob

Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
I agree with you P.Rob, it seems that where religion or politics are concerned intelligent, discourse is often replaced by vitriol and ad hominen arguments. Too bad, arguments can be presented in a collegial way and still carry weight.


And in that fashion that’s what makes them …… well fun. Test my faith; challenge what I believe in …. Make me think. Start getting ugly and resort to name calling – especially behind an avatar or some other pseudonym …………… really? Thank you Jim for operating with reason
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
If you do not believe like me than you are...

Curious, can anyone find the name-calling, "E- thuggery" (whatever that is), etc. that this P.Rob guy has alluded to in his last couple of posts on this thread?

Or is he just blowing smoke? Maybe I'll check to see if there's any context on the other thread (you know, the one with the misspelled title) that might substantiate his claim. Otherwise he's just another phony trotting out the usual "defender of the faith" pablum.

.....

Yeah, we progressive atheists (for lack of a better word, presently) dare point out "aborting zygotes isn't murdering people," for example, or dare express our claim that angels and demons don't exist any more than unicorns... and we are called "haters." ("Haters" spewing "vitriol," etc.)

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Like Campbell says, if you don't participate then you're on the sidelines. And if you participate and don't give as good as you get, you get rolled over. So it's not nearly so simple as we all would like. Hence what we witness, and what we have, in politics and these culture wars and in history at large.

Personally, I think your posts are spineless, P.Rob. WADR.

(Tsk, is that name calling?)

.....


EDIT to ADD

From my quick research, it seems Bluering was the most incendiary of the herd, hiterto. Isn't Bluering a Christian?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
From my quick research, it seems Bluering was the most incendiary of the herd, hiterto. Isn't Bluering a Christian?

oh yes, Blue often professed his Christian faith
MisterE

Social climber
Aug 29, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
Leave it to the Christians to insert their rage of belief into anything that threatens/opposes their sense of righteousness.

Such is the life of secularity - aren't the rest of us happy we don't have to spend so much energy to make others conform to our beliefs?

It is such an easier process not having the "leaden book" to make me behave like some sort of religious crack addict.
WBraun

climber
Aug 30, 2012 - 12:22am PT
Yer all religious nut cases yourselves.

Religiously posting on Supertopo daily with stupid meaningless advice ........
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Aug 30, 2012 - 01:08am PT
And stupid meaningless opinions about stupid meaningless advice.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

HFCF, you have a way with debates. *LIKE* I remember when peeple thought you were just a punk.

Boy, were they wrong.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Aug 30, 2012 - 02:50am PT
Talk about lead book. I had a principle at a christian school I went to hit me over the head with his bible once. Hard.

Didn't work. What an as#@&%e.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 30, 2012 - 11:05am PT
I remember when peeple thought you were just a punk.

People? Wasn't that mostly the girls (and those defending them) because I wouldn't give em a free pass on their supernatural beliefs, lol!

Evangelizing science, YouTube gets the modern good news out to the masses...




No free passes for girls, they need to know science in the modern age as much as the boys. More so, if it's going to be a woman's world. -Which seems to be the way it's trending, sorry boys. ;)
maldaly

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 30, 2012 - 12:01pm PT
I finally gave myself permission to say I didn't believe in god after listening to this wonderful monologue by Julia Sweeney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqh53RCkURQ (This will take to part one of 13 parts. Part 2 will appear on the upper right of your screen while you're watching part 1, etc, etc.)

It's also available from Amazon to download to your iPhone or whatever. Makes a great road story. The whole story last about 90 minutes.

Mal
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