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khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 29, 2012 - 12:15am PT
I thought it would be nice to have a thread where SuperTopo Atheists could tell tell their story and make a statement of their lack of blind faith.

Format:

1. What happened that lead you to follow the trail to Atheism? How did you find your lack of blind faith?

2. How does god™ being dead help you deal with life? What do you have that helps you to take comfort in the Atheist Life?

3. What is your affiliation? Union of Concerned Scientists? Atheists Alliance International? Or perhaps a local group or person you would like to acknowledge? Perhaps you follow atheism from within, unaffiliated with any group.

Please let others tell their story, hold your reactions, criticize on other threads and let the Atheists, or whatever lack of blind faith they may have post here, be proud of who they are being for a moment.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2012 - 12:18am PT
Just to be clear:

I have many christian friends. I like them and they like me. We respect each other and our own beliefs. I also have friends who have other religious beliefs, and all that is just fine by me.



But as an atheist I feel compelled to request equal time and consideration. I'm tired of feeling like I live in a country that automatically condemns anyone who doesn't have "faith" as somehow abnormal.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:20am PT
Oh you do , do you...?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:20am PT
I thought the Eldo Route "Blind Faith" was wicked cool. but I try not to be judgmental.
WBraun

climber
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:22am PT
I respect the atheist.

Better to remain an atheist than to preach a bunch of bullsh!t religion and mislead people.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:23am PT
Khanom, well done, apropos thread, indeed.

I look forward to hearing the testimonials and perhaps even giving a few.


.....

Nice to see the term "atheist" spelled correctly as well, at least in the thread title.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:23am PT
I had atheist foot once...Eating a Dessenex burger rid me of the fungus...
Some Random Guy

Trad climber
San Franpsycho (a.k.a. a token of my extreme)
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:30am PT
I'm tired of feeling like I live in a country that automatically condemns anyone who doesn't have "faith" as somehow abnormal.
amen.....wait is that an oxymoron by saying that?!?!
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:37am PT
Bonn, June 11, 1865: Letter to Elisabeth Nietzsche

Dear Lisbeth,

[....] As for your principle that truth is always on the side of the more difficult, I admit this in part. However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 is not 4; does that make it true?

On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots—what is considered truth in the circle of one’s relatives and of many good men, and what, moreover, really comforts and elevates men? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good?

Is it decisive after all that we arrive at that view of God, world, and reconciliation which makes us feel most comfortable? Rather, is it not the result of his inquiries something wholly indifferent to the true inquirer? Do we after all seek rest, peace, and pleasure in our inquiries? No, only truth—even if it be the most abhorrent and ugly.

Still one last question: if we had believed from childhood that all salvation issued from someone other than Jesus—say, from Mohammed—is it not certain that we should have experienced the same blessings? I point this out to you, dear Lisbeth, only to disprove the most common means of evidence relied upon by orthodox people who derive the infallibility of their belief from subjective, inner experience. Every true faith accomplishes what the person who has the faith hopes to find in it; but faith does not offer the least support for a proof of objective truth.

Hence the ways of men part: if you wish to strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire. [....]

-Friedrich Nietzsche
jstan

climber
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:37am PT
Neither of my parents' families were church goers. When I was maybe four or five they once took us to the local presbyterian church. I spent the whole bloody morning coloring squirrels. When we got home my mom asked me if I wanted to go again. I said I had too much to do to go wasting time that way. I thought of adding that I did not view crayons as a promising career path for me. But decided to keep my own counsel.

When a little older I started a self-improvement project ( I still could use one) and undertook to read the bible from cover to cover. I got several pages into accounts of begetting and decided two things.
1. These people must have been really horny.
2. They were more interested in who their father was than what anyone thought it was right to do.

I didn't like them at all.

That was that.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:43am PT
I'm a born-again atheist every morning.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:53am PT
An easy red flag when you gotta attack others to make your point (OP).
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Aug 29, 2012 - 02:39am PT
Anyone with an education in Philosophy or Rhetoric is bound to react viscerally to organized religion- language is just too pliable, and evidence is king since the enlightenment.

I find the US to be a pretty tolerant place to live as a secular humanist- but then again I run around in narrow circles of the educated, and the artistic. I think the hype about how psycho religious this society is, is just that: hype.

Sure the evangelicals (in all religious bents) are scary f#cks, but they are a minority.

I think there is a fine line between agnosticism and atheism- and I also think you can be both. I am atheist in that I disbelieve all theistic constructions and attempts at meta-physics. But I also reserve the right to find full awe at the universe, cosmology, quantum theory, mathematics in general, the technology it has all spawned. I also reserve the right to admit first hand experience of existential ennui and the profound paradox that seems inherent and in fact required for all feedback loops, all life, all consciousness. So by that I am agnostic- because the ride is pretty damn cool- and I just don't know.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Aug 29, 2012 - 03:34am PT
The things they said in church never made sense to me.

Then one day I asked Jesus into my heart. Nothing changed, so I concluded that either a) Jesus wasn't listening, b) having Jesus in my heart was just the same as having Jesus not in my heart, and / or c) Jesus didn't exist.

Khanom, nice one :-). 3-point swish.

Contrary to Khanom's request: Believers, feel free to tell me that my beliefs are wrong (here, or by knocking on the front door to my sanctuary), hand me flyers on the street telling me I'm wrong, put up billboards, tell me I need Jesus, etc.

Oh, right... I forgot: your brethren are already doing that...
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 29, 2012 - 03:47am PT
should be here..

paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Aug 29, 2012 - 08:26am PT
I've personally only got a beef with those few religions that profess non-believers will spend eternity in some sort of hell...That just seems elitist and exclusionary to me, very offensive actually...

All the other religions are cool in my book though ;-)
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Aug 29, 2012 - 08:58am PT
I was baptized and raised a Catholic, priests, nuns (and lay teachers) in the Catholic school (until I got kicked out), altar boy (weddings were great, the groom would slip you some money and the bride's father as well), all that stuff, when I was nine I wanted to be the first American pope. When I was ten I wanted to be an astronaut, (always reaching for the heavens in one way or another).

But over the years, none of it made real sense for me (and I also saw enough hypocrites at mass), 'rotten' six days of the week, but angels and saints on Sundays).

Okay to believe in a deity/faith helps some people, coolaboola, I have no problem with that.

It is the fanatics of any religion (or no religion for that matter) that bother me. I can take the moderates any day.

When Jennie was in hospital recently, an elderly woman in a bed in Jen's room (there was generally four beds to the room in St Anne's Ward) was visited by her daughter, a nun.

Katherine (her name) and I talked for a while, it was interesting and 'fun' (no, not 'fun with the nun', for those of you who may be dirty minded, heh heh). I told her that I was an avowed atheist and evolutionist, and she was okay with that, no preaching. And I wasn't bothered by her vocation.

People with sense, the moderates, can get along, but throw a fundamentalist nut in the mix, and that is when the problems start.

When evangelists of any sort (Seventh Day Adventists, Mormon, Jehovah's, 'non-aligned', whoever) come to the door (will gates now and press the intercom) I come out to meet them, and when I realize why they are there, I tell them, politely, that I am an avowed atheist, that I do not believe in God, but in nature and the goodness of human beings. Thank you and have a good day. Once in a while there is the persistent one, so I just go back into the house.
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:25am PT
I'm in. Was brought up by parents who were deeply religious early in their respective lives and dropped it once they got married in NYC City Hall because each was of a different religion (mom=southern baptist, dad=eastern orthodox) and my dad's side sent death threats to my mom, quite the wake up call. So I was never indoctrinated with religious precepts and revealed truths... And my Sundays were free and clear then and remain so to this day.

My wife was selectively religious when we first met. I have since broken her of that fence-sitting and she fell onto the evil non-believer side with me. However, she did send two of our kids to a Lutheran pre-school where my son began to believe in hell and that god is vengeful. Yikes, had to break him of that.

I can say that the entire Gunkie Gang is now living on the evil side of the fence. More can be learned from the attached video below.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:41am PT
Many immigrants came here for freedom of religion, hopefully, someday, freedom from religion will include avowed atheists being successful in the political arena.
MisterE

Social climber
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:58am PT
This thread has already been done recently, Khanom - although it was spelled incorrectly

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1907498/I-love-the-athiest-life-OT
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