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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:24am PT
So, to answer your question directly, through personal experience, I feel Cali restricts my rights every time i visit.

Well, unless CA's gun laws are determined to be unconstitutional, there ain't nothing anyone can do. Every state between CA, WA, and CO restricts some cancer patient's right to take their preferred medication. I can't take my dogs to my sister's house, 2 miles from my mom's house, because of breed specific legislation. Some laws are stupid, no doubt. How about instead of fighting we try to work together to get better background checks, mental health evaluations, and require training and/or licenses for gun owners?

And of course you'll counter by saying I havent needed a gun there in defense yet. Except i have. Other members of my family have. But you dont really care about that do you? Its just dismissable anecdotal heresay to you, eh? And to acknowlege that, you might have to reevaluate your point of view.

I'm not going to counter with that... I may have asked if you had ever needed one, but I certainly would not say you haven't. And I do care, and it ain't dismissible anecdotal hearsay. I don't have to reevaluate anything to acknowledge that.

My sister and brother-in-law carry EVERY TIME THEY STEP OUT THE DOOR. In over 20 years, neither of them have needed to use their gun while off duty. I find it surprising that others seem to "need" their guns substantially more often. Of course they live in Salt Lake City... a pretty dangerous city!

On the flip side, I've had a gun pulled on me or been threatened with a gun 4 times between the ages of 16 and 20 (all in Salt Lake). Once for mooning someone, once for swearing in public, once for hiding in the wrong backyard at 9:30 pm, and once during a ruckus game of dodge ball at a church. Each time I clearly posed absolutely NO threat to anyone. I was not threatening anyone's safety or property, with the possible exception of the guy who's backyard I was hiding in... I can somewhat understand his reaction. But the others used their guns for intimidation, to "teach me a lesson" and/or influence my behavior because they didn't like it. Does that make sense to you... that we allow people with that mentality to own guns that they use to threaten teenagers whose behavior (or appearance) they disagree with? Because it makes perfect sense to Rong:


Wessie,,I was going to say it was ODD that you and your friends always seem to be getting ... threatened by guns and so on, but then i considered your internet persona around here and it all makes perfect sense to me now...

Like I've said, I grew up with guns, I own guns, I shoot guns fairly often, I like guns, and most people I know have guns (some I feel shouldn't). But I'm disturbed at how easy it is for pretty much ANYONE to get a gun... especially people who think it makes sense to pull a gun on someone because they don't like how they look or act. Too many Zimmermans out there... and too many Rongs who feel he was justified in stalking and killing an innocent teen based solely on appearance.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 20, 2013 - 11:24am PT
In America, it's easy for anyone to get anything.

What do you need? I'll make a few phone calls.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Sep 20, 2013 - 11:32am PT
What do you need? I'll make a few phone calls.

I need more free time for climbing.
WBraun

climber
Sep 20, 2013 - 11:39am PT
A few days ago there was a road rage incident.

Both drivers exited their vehicles and shot each other dead.

LOL

Stupid Americans ......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 11:56am PT
How many dead in the bay area last night? At least three. All shootings.

FEEKIN Irish warmonger, hillbilly homophobe nazi party REDNECKS must have invaded the bay too lol!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
Ron, you should spend some time learning about demographics.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Demographics?? Sure wes. Ill compare Carson City to ANY town of the same size in the greater bay area. The "demographics" will show that the bay area is far more dangerous per capita than any where in Wyoming for instance.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
You still haven't learnt sh#t. Per capita is irrelevant. You need to compare murder rates by POPULATION DENSITY (an aspect of demographics) because violent crime is correlated with population density. Then you will see that anywhere in WY and Carson City come out worst than the Bay Area.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Carson City pop: 70K now you name a city in the bay area of equal "density" .. I said CITY not state.. And yur a peeHdee???
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
The "demographics" will show that the bay area is far more dangerous per capita than any where in Wyoming for instance.

I said CITY not state.

Wyoming is a city?

You know what density is, right? 70K is only half of the equation. Keep trying.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Highest homicide rates are in citys and states with the most gun regulation..

LA, Bay area, Chicago, DC so on and so forth.

Demographics in states such as NV are terribly skewed by the fact there are only two real population centers in the state. If there was a N/S Nevada, youd see a whole nudder ball game.

But then you know all of this. Your "demographics" ploy is weak sausage.
Binks

climber
Uranus
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Another shooting spree.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/20/chicago-park-shooting_n_3959062.html


Screw gun rights.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
"probably gang related"^^^^^^^^


Sure the problem isnt GANGS??
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Highest homicide rates are in citys and states with the most gun regulation..

LA, Bay area, Chicago, DC so on and so forth.

Wow, interesting... those are also some of the densest population centers in the country. It is almost as if violent crime is correlated with population density. I wonder if anyone has ever looked into that.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Yeah,, couldnt be the strict gun regulations have anything to do with it. Or the lack of actually DOING anything about the vast network of criminal gangs now here ,, KNOWN gangs and members ..Wouldnt want to trample on their rights to gather right?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
strict gun regulations could have something to do with it, but that is far more speculative than the climatic impacts of anthropogenic CO2... and I'm sure we don't want to make a ASSumption based on such shaky data.

You know, there is this place across the Atlantic with even stricter gun regulations. Their murder rates are way way way below anywhere in the US with similar population densities, despite even higher violent crime rates. It is almost as if guns make killing easier. I wonder if anyone has looked into that.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Sep 20, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
Sure seems to be a fair amount of Communists on this forum..
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 20, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
Well, we could go ahead and model the rest of our society after the place across the pond. I,ve been there. It,s nice.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Right after about 50% of america if not more, is dead..^^^^^;-)


Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 22, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
American guns

"To absorb the scale of the mayhem, it's worth trying to guess the death toll of all the wars in American history since the War of Independence began in 1775, and follow that by estimating the number killed by firearms in the US since the day that Robert F. Kennedy was shot in 1968 by a .22 Iver-Johnson handgun, wielded by Sirhan Sirhan. The figures from Congressional Research Service, plus recent statistics from icasualties.org, tell us that from the first casualties in the battle of Lexington to recent operations in Afghanistan, the toll is 1,171,177. By contrast, the number killed by firearms, including suicides, since 1968, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI, is 1,384,171.

That 212,994 more Americans lost their lives from firearms in the last 45 years than in all wars involving the US is a staggering fact, particularly when you place it in the context of the safety-conscious, "secondary smoke" obsessions that characterise so much of American life."

"Last week, Starbucks asked its American customers to please not bring their guns into the coffee shop. This is part of the company's concern about customer safety and follows a ban in the summer on smoking within 25 feet of a coffee shop entrance and an earlier ruling about scalding hot coffee. After the celebrated Liebeck v McDonald's case in 1994, involving a woman who suffered third-degree burns to her thighs, Starbucks complies with the Specialty Coffee Association of America's recommendation that drinks should be served at a maximum temperature of 82C."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/21/american-gun-out-control-porter
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