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tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 1, 2015 - 05:59pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/georgia-police-chief-says-accidentally-shot-wife-000816951--abc-news-topstories.html
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 1, 2015 - 06:11pm PT
You are right Tradman. All my pistols go bang every time. How heavy is the trigger on your glock for that first double action shot? 6,7,8 lbs? Can a two year old pull it? As far as I can figure the gun had to be cocked with one in the chamber. The kid was reaching around in her purse, didn't even have a good angle to make the pull if it could have. I'd give her a Darwin Award but it's too late, she already reproduced. Let's hope the kid is smarter than she was.

It was a fluke.

I dunno. That is not my idea of a fluke. A fluke is when an engine falls off an airplane and lands on your car. Is a loaded gun with the hammer back in your purse a fluke? Is driving on the freeway with no brakes a fluke?

I'd love to hear how the gun could have been fired by the toddler if it wasn't cocked. It could have been cocked and she didn't even know it. Fiddling around with it earlier, left the hammer back, picked it up for her Walmart excursion. Bang.

edit: I think it had to be a revolver. The slide action on a semi-auto would almost certainly have ripped up the kids hand. And keep in mind the kid's hand is not big enough yet to get it's thumb around the grip.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 1, 2015 - 08:07pm PT
The odds of a gun accident like this one are incredibly low but so are the odds of needing a gun to protect oneself on a trip to a rural WalMart.

Yeah I know. WalMart is a friggin' carnage. Almost as bad as Double Cross before the bolts went in. Would you do Double Cross without packing? Hidden Valley Campground is a pretty shady place if you know what I mean.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but if her gun was cocked with a round in the chamber the chances of an accident - either the one that happened or another one - were not low. Something was almost certain to go wrong. If it wasn't cocked how did the two year old pull the trigger. Heck I've seen adults who have trouble with a 7 lb. trigger, of course they were weak pussies but never the less...
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 1, 2015 - 09:34pm PT
I don't have an issue with concealed carry, but I don't understand why some people bother to carry everywhere they go. Seems like more trouble than it's worth.

If you are carrying the correct gun for you in a well-designed holster, it is essentially no "trouble" at all. It's like carrying a cell phone, where you just have a habit of putting it on in the morning, and it's just there all the time without you even having to think about it.

Sure, it seems that some areas are more "likely" to be trouble than others, but I'm sure that the woman who got robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight across the street from our office in a "great" part of town didn't expect trouble there that day either. You can't project what's going to happen where, so since it's really no "trouble" to carry, it's also no "bother."

And, for me the key point is to have the citizenry send a more and more consistent message, just as the Colorado sheriffs would like to see sent: "Many of us are armed, you will not generally know who, so you need to really wonder about every violent crime you attempt to commit."
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 2, 2015 - 01:07am PT
The real hypocrisy is you can't open or concealed carry a handgun in the Supreme Court.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 2, 2015 - 04:21am PT
to say that a 2yr old couldn't pull a glock style trigger is silly.

keeping any style handgun in a purse is begging for an AD
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jan 2, 2015 - 06:17am PT
And, for me the key point is to have the citizenry send a more and more consistent message, just as the Colorado sheriffs would like to see sent: "Many of us are armed, you will not generally know who, so you need to really wonder about every violent crime you attempt to commit."

While most Good Guys With Guns think they're doing something righteous, please keep in mind to the rest of us you're wannabe vigilantes just waiting for an opportunity to use your external death penis.
jonnyrig

climber
Jan 2, 2015 - 07:53am PT
200 lbs of meat in the freezer again this year.
photo not found
Missing photo ID#393031
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jan 2, 2015 - 08:30am PT
If only there had been someone there with a concealed carry permit. This woman's life might have been saved and the culprit taken care of!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 2, 2015 - 09:59am PT
Anti-gunners and their generalizations. LOL

But, if you're determined to equate a gun with a penis, I can enthusiastically say that at any given moment I don't expect to whip out and use my penis. But I'd rather have it through all those moments and not use it than to find a good use for it and not have it!

;-)
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 2, 2015 - 10:23am PT
From Spider Robinson: "If a person who commits felonies is a felon, then God is an iron."

The year's young. The bar I've set, as high as it is, won't last. lol
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 2, 2015 - 12:13pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A woman allegedly accidentally shot by her boyfriend during a New Year’s Eve celebration in Sacramento County has died of her injuries, according to Sacramento County sheriff’s officials.

At 12:06 a.m. Thursday the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Communications Center received several calls reporting that a woman in her 20s had been shot in the parking lot of an apartment complex in the 5700 block of Callie Lane.

Deputies responded to the apartment complex near Madison Avenue and Hackberry Lane where they found the woman. She was rushed to the hospital with a life-threatening injury. Sheriff’s officials announced Thursday evening that she had died. Her name has not been released.

Through the night, detectives investigated the incident, which sheriff’s department spokeswoman Sgt. Lisa Bowman described as a celebratory act that resulted in an accidental shooting of the young woman.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article5292705.html
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jan 2, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
Credit: Mel Brooks
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 2, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
Napoleon hated these!


Lewis and Clark loved theirs. it kept them fed.



22 shot 42 caliber repeating rifle.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 2, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
Healjye...Good point...The supreme court lives on a different planet than us pheasants...
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 2, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
The real hypocrisy is you can't open or concealed carry a handgun in the Supreme Court.

Really, hypocrisy? You can't carry one into the White House either. Or the chambers of Congress. In many places, my home county included, you can't carry anywhere. While I think that's wrong it doesn't affect my life, I wouldn't carry if I could. But I own and shoot guns. I keep my skill levels high, I enjoy practicing with several friends who are retired spec forces and we do tactical stuff.

So when you raise a red herring in your argument against guns you lose me. Not a valid point.

It is not my intention to start the New Year with heated arguments so please don't flame back at me, I enjoy reasonable conversation. Cheers.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Jan 2, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
Even non Americans have arms, should they be allowed to bare them?



tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 3, 2015 - 05:37am PT
http://news.yahoo.com/suburban-atlanta-police-chief-says-moving-gun-shot-215350892.html
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 3, 2015 - 11:28am PT
zBrown,

this country was built by armed immigrants with "issues" with their old homelands, and while you may not know this, more americans have german ancestry than any other nation. (I am one).
And there was one german guy who helped Washington win the war of independence.

OK, he was a poseur, but he still did the deed.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 3, 2015 - 03:49pm PT
No Poseur!

Von Stuben had a stint with the Prussian army that started at age 14 and peaked as aide de camp to Fredric the Great. He got "downsized" after the end of the Seven years war, really was a Baron, although a completely broke one.

He gave us this.

https://archive.org/details/2575061R.nlm.nih.gov


It's still relevant

http://www.army.mil/article/29717/After_230_yearsthe_039_Blue_Book039still_guides_NCOs/
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