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couchmaster

climber
Jan 5, 2015 - 09:55am PT
Judge Alex Kozinski, son of holocaust victims said this:

" The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed -- where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."

That could never occur here. Our President is a good dude although he can AND DOES kill Americans without a trial, but only if a secret court thinks it's OK, and when he accidental kills an innocent American child or 2, meh. But that's just "progress". Nope, never happen here.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 5, 2015 - 10:12am PT
not only that, but it was a couple of centuries ago when people wore tri corn hats.

Times change, at least in some minds

Ha! When we have to consider what style of hat a criminal (or our criminal government) is going to employ in violating our inalienable rights, then I guess that a discussion of hat-style control will be relevant here.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 5, 2015 - 10:27am PT
madbolter, I imagine you well know that Thomas Carlyle addressed those
issues in 1833 with his Sartor Resartus. Must we digress?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 5, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
I was not aware, Reilly. Thank you for the heads-up and well-deserved rebuke. Having now done just a touch of research on the subject, thanks to your heads-up, I see what a severe digression it was. And my mind is now at rest regarding the philosophy of clothes.

Well, except for the fact that Carlyle has the young man sitting around talking about Kant, and no good can come from that. Indeed, any philosophy of clothes motivated or informed by Kant could only result in atrocities of style!

But, even now I digress. So sorry!

Carry on....
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 5, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
I said he still did the deed, but donini told he sounded like a german.
zBrown

Ice climber
Bruj˛ de la Playa
Jan 5, 2015 - 05:55pm PT



healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 5, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
So when you raise a red herring in your argument against guns you lose me. Not a valid point.

Conservative members of SCOTUS should be willing to expose themselves to the same risks they are asking us to bear.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 5, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
You mean they should go climbing?


,or drive on the freeway?
zBrown

Ice climber
Bruj˛ de la Playa
Jan 5, 2015 - 06:45pm PT
WASHINGTON ľ Today, President Barack Obama will announce the Omnibus AK-47 Relief Executive Order, which among other things will allow for the open-carry of AK-47 rifles by black citizens in all National Parks ...

Gwine to Yosemite Less than A million Man March (photo credit: Waltham News-Carbine)



Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 9, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A Kansas gun store owner shot during an attempted robbery Friday afternoon has died, police said.

John Bieker, co-owner of She's a Pistol in Shawnee, was one of four people shot after four assailants tried to rob the shop about 2:10 p.m., said city spokesman Dan Ferguson.

Three of the suspects were also shot, and a co-owner of the store suffered minor injuries.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-four-people-kansas-gun-store-20150109-story.html

If only someone at the store had been armed none of this...oh, wait...
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 9, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
The best line I have read about the childish obsession so many Yanks have with their guns was written by Dave Barry (very slightly paraphrased):

In the U.S., drivers use guns for turn signals.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 16, 2015 - 11:56am PT
The Armed Citizen:
An apparent bathroom stalker on the Riverside City College campus attacked a student, who stabbed him in the neck with a pencil, campus police said Thursday.

The student was washing her hands in a women's restroom in the Math/Science building when she looked behind her and saw the man, campus Police Chief Jim Miyashiro said in a statement.

She told police he pushed her to the ground and tried to rape her. She then stabbed him in the neck with the pencil. He got off of her, and she ran to class.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-riverside-city-college-bathroom-attacker-20150116-story.html
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 20, 2015 - 08:54am PT
The Armed Citizen:
A 9-month-old baby boy died Monday after he was shot in the head by his 5-year-old brother in their grandfather's Missouri home, police said.

The 5-year-old found his grandfather's .22-caliber revolver in the bedroom and was playing with it when he ended up shooting his younger brother, said Nodaway County Sheriff Darren White. The baby was in a playpen in the same room and the bullet struck him in the head.

"He was apparently fascinated by the gun, as most young kids would be," White said.

The 9-month-old was flown to Children's Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, where he later died.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-missouri-boy-shot-by-5-year-old-20150120-story.html

They should have given the kid a pencil. He'd be protected from assault, and his brother would still be alive.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 20, 2015 - 11:16am PT
The Armed Citizen:
A Fresno teen accidentally shot himself Sunday as he tried to intimidate his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend, police said.

The teen fired half a dozen rounds into the air in front of a home at about 1:30 a.m. before the gun jammed, according to Fresno police.

He tried to clear the gun, and that's when he shot himself in the leg.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-teen-accidentally-shoots-himself-20150120-story.html
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 20, 2015 - 12:57pm PT
The Armed Citizen

For every (illegal) idiot like that, there are tens of millions of responsible gun owners not in the news in any particular year. Every day, day in and day out, they carry their guns without the slightest incident. More guns than cars, and all but the tiniest fraction being handled safely and responsibly. Tens and tens of millions of such people.

Hmm... why isn't the media reporting on those?

As quoted from http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1007588410221, "U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year."

Hmm... why isn't the media reporting on those?

According to http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/jclc/vol86/iss1/8/, "A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun 'for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere.' Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all 'military service, police work, or work as a security guard.'"

Hmm... why isn't the media reporting on those?

You would think that around a million legitimate self-protection uses per year would garner some positive attention. But, no, the few (and rare) idiots get all the attention. I wonder why that is....

You know, Gary, you would think that with all the good people that own guns and handle them responsibly every day, and with the demonstrable good they do (what I've cited above barely scratches the surface), the media (and YOU) would over time gain a more balanced perspective.

It appears not to be so.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 20, 2015 - 01:43pm PT
That's unjustifiably aggressive, like you said maybe they just didn't see you, but if they are shooting towards the highway then they are idiots.


alternatives?
alternatives?
Credit: Piton Ron
That thing at the top fires 37mm smoke grenades.

Just the ticket.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 20, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
jonnyrig, werk on yer trundling skillz.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Jan 20, 2015 - 03:02pm PT
I'm a strick constructionist. I believe every American has the right to keep and bear arm as part of a well regulated militia -- as long as the Arms are what the founding fathers were discussing.

So, everyone has the right to have a single shot black powder flintlock they can take off the wall if called.
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
out in front
Jan 20, 2015 - 04:18pm PT
I like that HK. 45 carbine toker, they are a nice shooter
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 28, 2015 - 07:56am PT
The Armed Citizen:
You'd better well leave a good tip!

This is sad though:
Owner Lauren Boebert, a 28-year-old former Miss Junior Colorado and self-described born-again Christian, insists the guns are no gimmick.

"It's a way of life. When you walk into Shooters you are walking into America," she said, a compact Ruger 9-millimeter tucked into the small of her back. "This is what America is."

Would Jesus approve?
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