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crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Sep 22, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
Gunnuts rule the day. Body count in DC, a paltry dozen or so, barely raises an eyebrow. No, we'll need a much higher body count to move on gun restrictions.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 22, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 22, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 22, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
Looks like the Colorado City crossing guards,..






















The next photo portrays a very well built piece (and I like the HK also, but drop the mag coupler. Throws the balance.)
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 22, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 22, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
she may cuff me annnny time...
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 22, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
Ron....Colorado City or Colorado Springs, not much difference.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Sep 22, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
I made a 7SAUM for myself a couple weeks ago.
This will fill my freezer with meat for the year.
Precision build in a Surgeon 591 action:

Credit: GhoulweJ

Not sure why the photo is sideways.

Here I'm turning down the barrel prepping it for threads and chambering.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 22, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Latest US shooting spree ended,... by a good guy with a gun.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 23, 2013 - 02:17am PT

Real hunting


Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 23, 2013 - 02:26am PT
A real climber's piece...

Just to keep the belayer's attention, mind you.
Just to keep the belayer's attention, mind you.
Credit: Reilly
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 23, 2013 - 10:50am PT
Latest US shooting spree ended,... by a good guy with a gun.

Latest US shooting spree started...by a nutcase with a gun. Thanks, NRA.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 23, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Which one?

They Navy Yard? Cuz that should have been stopped by good guys with guns long before it even started.

The one in Chicago? Because that one wasn't stopped at all.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 23, 2013 - 03:04pm PT

Umerican hunting... the Americas of today...

"There has been a big increase in so-called "exotic hunting", where guests not only go after indigenous species such as wolves and bears, but also blast away at imported zebras and giraffes. Convenience is essential for the hedge-fund crowd. Most exotic hunts take place in ranches from which the animals can't escape (Texas has 600). Exotic hunters can shoot elephants from cars or from the backs of other elephants, sometimes the orphaned calves of the victims of previous hunts. For the truly lazy there is "just-in-time shooting", where animals are trained to turn up at certain hours, and "internet shooting", where you can guide the gun from your desk."
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 23, 2013 - 03:06pm PT

Real hunting...

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 29, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Well Gary, you got the nutcase part right.

I doubt very much that the NRA likes the idea of such people owning guns. The problem lies with the difficulty of early diagnosis.

And wonder of wonder, from the liberal media 60 Minutes we just got a segment that criticizes the poor support that mental health gets here, and an expert points out that most of the mass killings in the past 7 years were perpetrated by the mentally ill that slipped through the cracks or got no help at all. He went on to add that if more resources are not devoted to treatment that part of the cost will be more of these incidents.

Banning ordnance doesn't help sick people.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 29, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Wandering man with Alzheimer's shot, killed in Walker County
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/nov/28/wandering-man-with-alzheimers-shot-killed/
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 5, 2014 - 12:14am PT
So as not to derail a nice thread about appreciation of firearms:
(I've been drinking, so forgive typos)

No, I have repeatedly distinguished between moral principles and legal ones. For example, I despise supposedly "fellow Christians" who have themselves conflated their own narrow notion of morality with what "should" be law in this country.

So saying that the founding fathers were Christians, therefore all laws must follow Christian principles even if those principles are not defined in the US Constitution is totally different from saying the Founding Fathers were Lockean Libertarians therefore all laws must follow Lockean principles not defined in the Constitution? We all use our personal morality to define what we believe "should" be law. I believe that adultery is immoral, yet it is neither illegal nor unconstitutional. I believe that the Death Penalty and abortion are both immoral, yet they are constitutional and legal. I believe that if showing violence and murder on broadcast TV is legal, then showing naked boobs and saying the F-word should be legal, but it's not. So what? Despise me.

What I've said is that the burden of argumentation is on the part of anti-gun-people to explain exactly HOW (the principled basis of) their legislative proposals are internally consistent. And the problem for them continues to be that they are QUICK to suggest sweeping laws that criminalize GUNS, when instead they should be seeking solutions that take seriously the problem of human responsibility in the USE of guns.

You suggest that "philosophical" or "moral" points can be entirely separated from "legal" ones. I state that they cannot (and still have laws remain principled and legitimate). I continually press anti-gun-people to explain what philosophical/moral principles ground their proposed legislation.

It's easy to win an argument when you set the rules, but you don't. No provision in the constitution requires a single consistent, legitimate philosophical basis for a new law. The Constitution itself is a balancing act between different or even opposing philosophical principles. If you become a member of congress, the President or a Supreme Court Justice you can apply that standard, but until then the only standard required is majority of both houses, signature of the President and being upheld by any challenge at the Supreme Court. The burden required of those who wish to see fewer gun crimes in this nation is to change the votes of perhaps a dozen members of congress, whether that is achieved by the force of their statistical/legal/moral/philosophical argument, the threat of defeat at the polls, or by legal and constitutionally protected bribery in the form of campaign contributions is irrelevant. This is what I mean by your failure to differentiate between philosophical and legal arguments.

. I believe that the United States was far, far more Libertarian-principled at its founding and that is has indeed drifted far from such philosophical principles. We have swung from Libertarian to Communitarian in our thinking, voting, and legislating; and that cannot be denied.

I'm an educated heterosexual white male, so I have no reason to doubt your claim of an erosion of Libertarian principles, however if I were poor, female, black, homosexual or a draftee, I might have a different view.

I assume you feel this drift is a bad thing, I don't, the majority agrees with me since they voted for it, and since those laws are subject to Supreme Court challenge and have survived, they are therefore constitutional, whether or not they are Libertarian in principle. This is also what I mean by your failure to differentiate between philosophical and legal arguments.

In that time while that drift to Communitarianism has happened, this nation has also become far more wealthy, healthy and powerful. Do you think there might be a relationship?

Unfettered Libertarianism or unfettered any-other-ism is doomed to failure, the Founding Fathers realized that, why can't you?

TE
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 5, 2014 - 12:41am PT
So as not to derail a nice thread about appreciation of firearms:
(I've been drinking, so forgive typos)

Well, TE, why would I leap into a morass where angels fear to tread?

The "logical" leaps you take in your various commentary should perhaps be attributed to the drinking as much as any typos.

I'm done trying to engage with you. Seriously, you simply don't understand the sorts of distinctions that could make the attempt productive. Your comparison of the "Christian" founders with the "Libertarian" founders is a classic example. You literally do not understand the difference between "principles" in the sense of applied vs meta ethics, so you conflate "principles" in both senses in your argument. And I don't have time in my life to get you up to speed on such distinctions.

Really, seriously: I mean this, you have a LOT more reading to do on ethics and political philosophy before you are worth engaging at the level you are trying for. It's an exercise in futility, and your attitude is so belligerent, that, as I said, I have no more interest in leaping into the fray.

Just count it a "win" in your own mind (as I'm confident you do at each iteration of our exchanges). Blissful ignorance reigns supreme.
QITNL

climber
Mar 5, 2014 - 01:00am PT
What if there were some Founding Mothers? That might have shaped the Constitution some. Particularly the second amendment, many moms don't like their kids playing guns.

What if there were some Founding Brothers, Founding Asians, Founding Mexicans? Or some Founding Indians, to share the perspective of staring down the barrel of one?

In that time since they've had a vote, this nation has become far more wealthy, healthy and powerful. Do you think there might be a relationship?

Instead the arbiter of eternal truth is a bunch of old white-haired dudes? Really? I mean, just listen to yourselves....

Sorry, chaps: Thee Great Days of Thy Founding Fathers are well and truly in the coffin.
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