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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
He pulled a "jane(hanoi) fonda" Coz..
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
Heston was an actor. He got paid to pretend he was somebody else. That hardly makes him a hero.

Heston and Carey have basically the same job, except that Carey at least writes a lot of his own stuff.

When Heston signed up for the NRA gig, he was either a complete sham or a complete sucker.

The NRA is not a rights organization, they are a lobby for an industry.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Yeah Coz. I'm done (once again) with Hedges foolishness. My list of album credits as a recording engineers is more than 400, many of which were platinum hits by superstars. Most of these people, when they are out and about, have armed guards and many pack themselves. And the best security is rarely seen.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
"And I never said said texting while driving is "tantamount to murder." What I said was that texting while driving, or driving while otherwise impaired such as being drunk, is a conscious choice so if you kill someone as a result it is murder."


Are you even aware of what you're doing? I said "attempted murder", not murder.

And Kos wasn't comparing Heston to Hitler. Why the deliberate mischaracterization?


And yes, the above quote from you is accusing someone of attempted murder for texting while driving. A "conscious choice" is the same thing as an attempt. The courts don't see it that way, of course, because the logic isn't there.


Your method of debate seems to involve either deliberate mischaracterization, or fabricated quotes, or both. Leading me to believe that you might not even be aware that you're doing it...




Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Here's the post which you are attempting to quote.

And how many people are intentionally killed with cars?

"Are DUI, speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, using a cell phone while driving - in other words the causes of most accidents - not intentional acts?

The driver made a choice to put their own and other people's well being at risk. That is intentional. Of course I understand that such a driver is not choosing the specific person they will harm or kill, so instead of murder one they should get manslaughter, but the majority of car accidents are caused by the decisions and actions of drivers.

I suppose you could actually argue that cars don't kill, drivers do..."
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
Legal scholars already had this conversation, a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malice_aforethought

..along with a bunch of other terms.

There is no simple definition of "murder" or "negligence" ... which is basically what you guys are debating.

There has been a gazillion pages of arguments written trying to define these things.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
" My list of album credits as a recording engineers is more than 400, many of which were platinum hits by superstars"


Hahahaha, besides the McCartney thing (for which, please don't try to tell me there was any security, or that "I would be surprised", etc)...


I video-tech'd this shoot, 2 days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4em3LKQCAQ

He was driving around with his dad in a Dodge Sprinter van. That's it. We all parked in the same lot, both days. No security. Nothing.

The cops were there part-time because we shut down a couple streets, but they had nothing to do with providing security for him.


And, of course, celebs drive/walk around LA all the time, go shopping, pick up their kids, whatever, every day, without any kind of security whatsoever. Coz, you of course know this.

Bradley Cooper was standing in line behind me at a sandwich shop 2 days ago. Got in his car and drove away. By himself.

Aaron Eckhardt, Bikecology Santa Monica, a few months ago. Talked to him about tire tubes. No one else. Rode off on his bike.


It is ludicrous, paranoid, demonstrably false fantasy that celebs travel around with armed guards.


Give me an instance where a private security guard for a celeb drew a weapon on someone.








jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
"Here's the post which you are attempting to quote."

WHAT? NO, IT ISN'T!!!!

Are you crazy?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
It is ludicrous [...]

Speaking of...

I lived next door to Chris Bridges in LA and I never saw any security. I'd see him at the nearby grocery store sometimes by himself.

Some of his friends were pretty big dudes, but they were all very polite and smoked a lot of weed. Not exactly "secret service" types.

Anybody who lives in West LA runs into celebrities occasionally. They don't have security with them most of the time. Danny Devito once bumped into my shopping cart at the Pavillions in Beverly Hills. I didn't realize it was him until he spoke. He was with his daughter, and I watched them get in his car and drive away without anyone else.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
WHAT? NO, IT ISN'T!!!!

Are you crazy?

Dude I did a search of my old posts for "texting while driving" and copied and pasted it.

That's it word for word the exact post from Feb 2013.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
"Edit, texting and driving is attempted murder, fool..."


Hahahaha, so either the guy who rear ended me going 10 mph while texting is apparently in serious trouble, or you might not understand some pretty basic legal concepts...

And Coz...c'mon. Celebs don't live day-to-day life with armed guards in tow. You know this - admit it.
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Joe,

As your friend, all I can say is you are making a fool of yourself.

You have no idea, none, about what you are talking about... Celebrity security, private or otherwise.

Why are you behaving like this?

Capping on Chris? Chris has been around a lot longer than either one of us, and makes articulate arguments based on clear writing, personal experience and fact.

Your retorts are reaching and bordering on personal vendettas.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
(Hrrrmmmmmmfffff ! cough cough ,,chorlte,, guffaw,,, )


Coffee on the keboard,, thanks Coz...
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
"Your retorts are reaching and bordering on personal vendettas."

Coz...???

Again, you know damn good and well celebs don't travel around with armed security - how is that being vindictive?

I just gave you 4 examples, it's common knowledge bro, and you know it.

I mean, what are you thinking? Every time one goes shopping, or picks up their kids, there's someone with a gun there?

WTF, man?
WBraun

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
Ho man ....

Ain't this somethin!

Joe is working on a film edit right now.

Coz is taking a break from his latest Hollywood film rig.

Me .... I just got back from doing a few pitches.

Instead of meeting back in the C4 lot like we used to and talk sh!t we do it online now.

LOL

Miss you guys in the flesh ... :-)

I think I'm gonna get a bushmaster rifle for those "close quarter" ambush squirrels that might attack me.

Guns rooool ..... droool ..... :-)
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
"Joe is working on a film edit right now."

Actually I am...

Tried calling Coz but he won't answer...guess he must not need a belay anymore...


WBraun

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
LOL ....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:51pm PT


Violence rools, guns are cool and we've got guns, in our school



Yeah, hedge is a sh#t slinger... but when is the last time you saw him get all butt hurt when someone gives it back?

Hedge, stay out of my threads... ahaaaaahaahahahaaaaa!
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Funny Werner:)

Wish I could be up there doing a few pitches with ya both.

Joe, sorry maybe not on the b movie jive your working on, lol, but on the big sets, tons of security.

Very well kept on the low down, however...

Believe it or not you're mistaken.

Edit, that's why people love the Hedge... West.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
Is the security on the sets, or is it personal body guards following them around at the grocery store? HUGE difference.
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