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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Kris,

It's not personal, but IMO your posts have a tendency to present "facts" in a way that suggests some credibility, when there is little to back them up.

I don't agree with Ron's posts either, but I don't think there's any chance that anybody would actually believe his claims.

It does amaze me how the conservative angle often seems to be based on selective outrage.

Suddenly it's wrong to criticize prominent political figures after they are dead ?

I hope nobody says anything negative about Hitler. That would be unfair.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Anderson wants us to live by his rules of political correctness.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:24am PT
Sucks to stand by your principles, doesn't it.

Only when your principles include allowing states to continue discrimination.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:47am PT
It does amaze me how the conservative angle often seems to be based on selective outrage.

Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Oh shoot, I said black. Am I a racist? Oh sh#t, I said shoot. Am I a gun nut?

Suddenly it's wrong to criticize prominent political figures after they are dead ?

I hope nobody says anything negative about Hitler. That would be unfair.

Reduction to the absurd. Heston did his best to stand for what he thought was great about America, and stood proudly against racial discrimination. You are free to disagree with him about guns, but Carey, in his ridicule, has offended a lot of people. And comparing Heston to Hitler? Please.

Only when your principles include allowing states to continue discrimination.

Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution. I, personally, have a hard time finding the rightness of his position. However, he took this position while at the same time advocating for the cause of the NAACP and the civil rights cause. The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.

jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 11:58am PT
"I wonder if careys security guard has turned in his gun???"


Jim Carrey needs armed security????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Rong - where on earth did you get this idiotic notion that celebrities have armed security, or any security for that matter?

Usually they're just driving around in their cars by themselves - you do understand that, correct?

I've worked on movie sets and music vids with some of the biggest in music and movies - at most there's a chauffeur, maybe a bodyguard or 2, but no one's armed. You really think private security is going to start shooting people? Any examples of that actually happening?

I did the Paul McCartney iTunes webcast last year at Capitol Records - McCartney showed up for both days, driving himself in a convertible Corvette with the top down. No security, no entourage, nothing. Worth half a billion, and had his bandmate murdered by a gun nut. No sane person wants to live their life with armed security tagging along.

You really haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about - you're just an insane idiot, projecting your idiotic, paranoid-delusional bubble onto the real adult world.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution.

You mean the part of the Constitution that says....

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

...

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I can see how he might get that idea... it is a little arbitrarily worded... haha.

The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.

He was a politician who clearly twisted whatever he could in an attempt to get votes. I find it funny that conservatives don't hesitate to paint their folks as "complex" and somehow beyond our comprehension (hahaha) when they do it, but flip-floppers/etc when liberals do it.

Wake up! They are all politicians. You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.

Luckily the Merkin people saw through the bullshit and voted appropriately.
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
"And comparing Heston to Hitler? Please."

And pretending that anyone did? Please.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
And pretending that Paul McCartney doesn't use private security? Looks to me like he spends million on it. For that kind of dough they had better be armed.

http://www.scotsman.com/business/interview-mark-hamilton-security-adviser-to-paul-mccartney-1-1354519

MeChrist you skipped the part where I said I have a hard time finding the rightness of his position.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!

:)
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!

...You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.

Okay then. Somehow I got the wrong idea. Cheers..:-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Sorry, I was using the plural form of "you" referring to all conservatives. I'm in one of those hazy stream of consciousness states and things are coming out unparsed. It isn't the first time I have heard conservative views painted as just too complex for "us" to understand.

I guess I should have used "yous" or "yall."
jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
"And pretending that Paul McCartney doesn't use private security?"

Hahahaha, hey dummy.

I was there, you weren't

2 days at Capitol Records last year

He drove up both days in a convertible Corvette, top down, in sunglasses and a baseball cap.


By himself. Driving the car himself.


Oh, but Jim Carrey needs armed bodyguards...


Hahahahahaha...pathetic.





mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
He might now...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Mar 27, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
I know for a fact that hockey pro Russ courtnal sold his home to Brit spears. Russ say's he don't like the children to grow up near armed guards so they move to the out skirts of west lake. So yeah armed cops can wear the heat.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Heston did his best to stand for what he thought was great about America, and stood proudly against racial discrimination.

Heston was a political figure that took a strong position on a controversial issue. He's fair game for satire.

You are free to disagree with him about guns, but Carey, in his ridicule, has offended a lot of people. And comparing Heston to Hitler?

You've demonstrated my point on selective outrage pretty well with that one.

Nobody is comparing Heston to Hitler other than pointing out that they are both dead. Which is the theme of the latest flavor of political correctness from the right: It's now "offensive" to criticize dead pople.

So now that we've redefined a new type of "offensive" language, I'm sure we'll be hearing all about any breaches of decorum next time Hannity or Limbaugh has something to say about (deceased) FDR.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
The Neo-Feudalists believe that ony nobility grants the right to arms.

jghedge

climber
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
"You've demonstrated my point on selective outrage pretty well with that one."


Hahahahaha, remember the post where Kris was saying that texting while driving was tantamount to attempted murder?

Yes, I'm certain that getting rear-ended by someone going 10 miles an hour, because they were texting, is exactly the same as if they started shooting at me.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Okay guys, to begin with I have expressed no outrage, simply made observations. And yes I know some people who are offended by the sendup of Heston. Personally I don't find Carey's piece amusing, but if it floats your boat you can have it.

And I never said said texting while driving is "tantamount to murder." What I said was that texting while driving, or driving while otherwise impaired such as being drunk, is a conscious choice so if you kill someone as a result it is murder. I know a lot of folks would call it a simple accident. I see it differently since one persons death came about because another person chose to act illegally.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Ksolem,, so many sheeples so stupid, MUST be micro managed to not text and drive at the same time. And people buy off on that. Yes, texting and driving amount to murder through stupidity. Stupid should hurt.


meanwhile:m Carrey Admits He Has An Armed Bodyguard
rightwingnews.com ^ | 26 March 2013 | John Hawkins


Edited on 3/27/2013
After making news for doing a tired “humor” video mocking gun owners, whom he also called (bleep) Jim Carrey announced today on twitter that his armed bodyguard “doesn’t have a hundred rounds in his clip.”
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Mar 27, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Joe,

I'd think you would be surprised about the amount of guns and security around celebrities.

Just because its not obvious to you, does not mean its not going on...Trust Me.

Carey's skit sucked, and was very disrespectful to what many people would consider an American Icon.

Carey's a talented and funny man, but he blew it, it just seemed stupid, and nothing the caliber ... he is capable of. IMO

Edit, texting and driving is attempted murder, fool...
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