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the Fet

Jun 12, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
Monty Python knows the best way to commit suicide.

Again for most reasonable people this debate is over what are the reasonable restrictions that should be place on firearms. Personally I think California's are good for the most part and should be applied nationwide.

But the NRA won't agree to ANY reasonable restrictions like expanded background checks. They won't even agree to us doing what it takes to help try to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies. The are MANY more extreme NRA types than the few percent of peaceniks who think we should take away all guns. But like most right wingers they will portray anyone in support of sticter gun regulations as an extreme left wing peacenik who wants all guns outlawed. Because it's much easier to argue against a straw man.

lost, far away from Poland
Jun 12, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
Good stuff, Bushman!



Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 12, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
One survived as a pure fluke of her giant boob holding compression on the chest wound while she was down.

I love this forum.

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 13, 2014 - 11:50am PT
Just when you got sick of standing in line at the TSA airport check.
LOTS more of our fellow travelers are packing for the airport, so to speak. So far this year (as of the end of last week), the Transportation Security Administration has found 892 guns in passengersí carry-on bags at security checkpoints. Thatís a 19 percent increase from the comparable period of last year, when the total was 750 guns.

The 2013 gun-tote tally was a record, at 1,813 firearms found, incidentally. As this yearís gun haul keeps rolling along, a one-day record was set just last Wednesday, when screeners found 18 guns, which beat the previous one-day record of 13 guns on May 20, 2013. About 80 percent of all guns found are loaded.
NOTE: these are not the guns packed in baggage.

Just the facts Ma'am.

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jun 14, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
Credit: 7SacredPools
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 6, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
Airport perusal of the 'outdoor' magazine rack I noted the following, with amusement....

The firearms industry in cooperation with the NRA and the great state of Texico, have launched a new marketing campaign designed to relate guns to every-person experiences. Check it out-

He so gangsta!

Pearl inlays are HAWT!

Sniper-Wanna-Bee chic.


And this one, well! Golden Warrior yummy yum yum!

You gun nuts are el oh el.


Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 6, 2014 - 04:28pm PT

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 6, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
Powerful stuff Stahlbro.

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 6, 2014 - 07:46pm PT

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 6, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
Partly as a result of this very thread, I've now purchased an H&K P30 .40, and I'm open-carrying it everywhere. My wife also shoots it (it's a pretty powerful gun for her, but she can HIT with it!), and we're about to apply for our Colorado CCWs. Even once I have the CCW, I'll probably open-carry 1/3 to 1/2 the time, whichever is most convenient or makes the most tactical sense for the situation.

Here in Colorado, people have so far had only positive things to say about it. People here actually want an armed citizenry. Even our dem-liberal governor is back-peddling literally as fast as he can from his ill-fated and downright stupid foray into gun control. What gun-control there was in Colorado is soon to go away, returning us to one of the best states in the country!

It's been decades since I was a shooter, but it's quickly coming back. It's only been not quite two weeks, and I can already consistently do 50% 3-inch group and 80% 6-inch group from 25 yards (100% 8-inch group). In short, I'm going to hit a very bad spot in the torso 100% of the time from far farther out than most defensive shootings take place. Look at the distance in the grandpa video above. At 25 yards, the targets I use appear much smaller than my thumbnail.

I've always loved shooting, so thanks guys for helping get me back into it! Colorado is just a tiny bit safer now than it was, and I wish that virtually all of my fellow citizens would follow suit.

What really pushed me over the edge was about two weeks ago a broad-daylight mugging at an ATM just across the street from our office. I had thought of our area as a very decent and safe part of Denver-metro. It seems that the bottom-feeders can surface anywhere! If the female victim had been armed, the odds are high that she would have kept her money, and the mugger would have had his criminal ways put to an end.

I don't intend for either me or my wife to be helplessly victimized. And open-carry is a well-known deterrent. Like a locked door, the sight of a gun tells a bottom-feeder, "Keep scrounging for easier pickings." And if a bottom-feeder saw even 20% of people around the putative crime scene were armed, he is going to take his plans elsewhere rather than risk being shot by a bystander.

And "elsewhere" is all we want!

It's time to drive these creeps outta town. Just displaying the capacity to defend yourself and others helps move them elsewhere, such as California, NY, NJ, DC, or Chicago, where they can count on a completely unarmed citizenry.

Meanwhile, my wife and I will keep training. I want 100% 3-inch group at 25 yards. And there's lots more to it than pure marksmanship! But it's very satisfying on many levels.

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 01:22am PT
what happens if the female ATM victim whips out her piece and the junkie mugger whips out his pistol too? Guess we might have a dead female victim?

So, let me be sure I understand what you are saying here.

"Better to accept a life of victim-mentality than to risk dying by refusing to live like a victim." Is that it?

So, the thinking that founded this country is now completely gone? "Give me liberty or give me death?" We just don't live by anything like that anymore?

Well, maybe some of you can "live" like a victim and "hope for the best," but not many of us.

Men tend to shoot better

Are you serious?

And you mean that even the "junkie mugger" is a better shot?

LOL... you should see the WOMEN I see at the range! MOST people that are packing are well-practiced and well-trained (many put in more hours in training than do cops). They take it seriously. By contrast, "junkie mugger" stole his piece or bought it from some other slimeball, and he probably hasn't even fired it once. He waves it around for intimidation value and hopes it will fire if he ever "needed" it to.

I think you've got the "likely" scenario totally reversed.

"Junkie mugger" would be dropping to the ground, his body not responding as desired, as his last trickle of conscious thought would be something like, ""

But, of course, the victim mentality can't bring itself to take ANY risk. Its motto is: "Better to live groveling on your face than die on your feet."

Oh, and where IS that cop when you need one? As the saying goes: When seconds count, the cops are mere minutes away. The "manhunt" is still on for this "junkie mugger," weeks later, but he won't be caught regarding this incident. He'll keep working his game... until somebody puts him down.

And in Colorado, somebody probably will put him down, which is how this SHOULD play out.

This fact is why 56 of 62 Sheriffs in Colorado filed suit to overturn the recent gun-control laws, why they said they would not enforce the laws, and why Colorado is a shall-issue CCW state. This fact is why two state politicians got recalled, a third resigned before the infamy of a recall, and why the governor is now publicly stating that he is looking forward to undoing his "ill-considered" mistake asap (only way he has a HOPE of keeping his job).

Wild horses and a million dollar offer could not drag me back to California, or to any of the other "safe" gun-control states that actually have the highest incidence of gun homicides and other violent crimes. Yeah, all your gun control has sure made Chicago, LA, DC, and other such places really, really safe. You can have that "safety." I (and my wife) prefer to live in a state where personal responsibility still means something.


Jul 7, 2014 - 05:53am PT
How many people were killed during Maos reign again Randisi? Do you think that they were glad they were unarmed? It's curious that the biggest genocides tend to be in unarmed societies.

Let us examine "The worst genocides of the 20th and 21st Centuries"

....And it's Mao for the win! The British newspaper Independant suggests ONLY 45,000,000 murdered by Mao and his minions, wheras that links suggests 49,000,000-78,000,000 were murdered and killed. A million murdered here...a million murdered there, pretty soon it's big numbers of dead.

So there is that but I'm glad you feel safe. But consider that you are worried about a single loonie running in the streets whereas I am much more concerned about a single loonie running the country. For that very reason I feel safer when people like madbolter are armed, it only takes one loonie like Mao, like Pol Pot, like Hitler, like Stalin, like Idi Amin, like insert name here etc etc etc etc) to get elected (or wiggle their way into office) to see that kind of mass murder occur. In my view it's nice to not be unarmed and preyed on by an armed government. The 2nd amendment is the amendment that gives the other ones teeth.

BTW, speaking of freedoms, you don't really know how safe you are or are not as China rigorously cracks down on what news can be reported. So I guess you'd do better living in the US if you just turned off your news/TV sources. There's another freedom, the first amendment of free speech, you don't get in China. Personally, I like China. It's an amazing place full of incredible folks. I like France as well. I feel as safe in those countries as in my own. But you have no idea how safe or unsafe it is in China as you don't get it reported.


Jul 7, 2014 - 06:05am PT
Hardly pointless. Review why the fourth of July was just celebrated for example. Here's some info to consider vis a vis our version of what we believe freedom to be:

"Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China, qualifies as the greatest mass murderer in world history, an expert who had unprecedented access to official Communist Party archives said yesterday."

Have you read up on this over there? Nope, didn't think so. Pick most of the amendments and you won't find a corollary in China. So congrats on that, AND you get to feel safe too. Not actually be safe if you choose to be an independent thinker or pick the wrong religion however. It is not some ancient history long in the past either. If you Google "Falen Gong" you won't see anything if you are in China most likely but in the rest of the world we see things like this crap below. This is what incorrect thinking gets you in China, originating from a Falen Gong practitioner:

"Here's some illustrations of Torture Methods Used to Persecute Falun Gong Practitioners (9 - 12)


Torture Method 9: "Feeding the Insects"

(Caption: Police say, "Whoever does not obey us will be tied up outside as food for the mosquitoes!"

In the summer time, especially around dusk or dawn, the police strip practitioners of every piece of their clothing and handcuff them to a pole in a place where mosquitoes and other insects swarm. Practitioners are bitten over and over again all over their bodies by various insects. Not long after, their bare skin is covered with itchy bumps. Sometimes they cannot even open their eyes because their eyelids are so swollen.

This torture was often used by gangs of bandits in the past to punish captives who violated their rules. Sometimes people even died from being bitten by poisonous insects. Now this torture is used by police in Chinese labor camps to torture innocent people who believe in "Truthfulness-Compassion-Tolerance."

Torture Method 10: Pouring Freezing Cold Water Over People

In the freezing cold winter, the police instigate criminals to keep pouring cold water on practitioners, causing them to be frozen, suffer frostbite and numbness. Sometimes part or all of their body would become paralyzed. Some people even suffer loss of speech and memory.

Torture Method 11: Electric Shocks

(Caption: the prison doctor says, "Captain, he has passed out. The voltage won't go any higher. What shall I do?")

What is displayed here is called the electric needle. The police can adjust the electric current and voltage at will. If the voltage and current is high, the victim would bounce on the bed from the shock. He would suffer cramps all over his body and incontinence of his bladder and bowels. If the victim has a weak heart, he could easily die on the spot. Many practitioners on hunger strike are repeatedly subjected to such torture.

Other similar torture methods include: long-term shocking with high-voltage electric batons, cranking a hand-crank telephone to generate electricity to shock practitioners who are tied to with the telephone, using medical devices to generate electricity to shock practitioners, lining the walls and top of a small cage with electric needles to shock practitioners who relax or drift off to sleep while chained up bent over, unable to completely stand, squat or sit (a cruel form of sleep deprivation torture that is sometimes used for weeks on end), etc.

In order to achieve their goal, sometimes the police employ various means to make practitioners suffer even more. For instance, they shock practitioners with many electric batons simultaneously; they soak practitioners in water and then shock them; or shock sensitive parts of the body, including eyelids, soles of the feet, armpits, neck, etc. After the electric shock, the skin would be badly burnt, develop blisters and even fester. Such torture also causes damage to the internal organs and nervous system. Also, the victim suffers from psychological trauma.

What's more despicable is that the police shock practitioners' mouths, private parts and anus for long periods of time. They even shock female practitioners' breasts and private parts, sexually violating them while shocking them with the electro-shock batons.

Torture Method 12: Stabbing with sharp objects

The police use a screwdriver or other sharp object to stab the back of practitioners' hands, attempting to force them to give up their belief in Dafa. The victim will bleed profusely and often pass out due to the excruciating pain.

Such torture is extremely brutal. Other similar means include: nailing bamboo spikes into practitioners' fingers, chopping [hitting] practitioners' hands with hard-soled shoes, hammering practitioners' hands with a hammer or drilling into practitioners' hands with an electric drill.

if you read chinese one can get a clearer picture here:

Bottom line, being a Christian is incorrect thinking subjecting you to torture. However, in China, they are spared such pointless bickering. Be safe indeed.


Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 7, 2014 - 06:28am PT
Madbolter, no doubt you feel really big carrying a gun around, but I wouldn't trust you or anyone else to use it responsibly. Especially in the heat of the moment brought on by some perceived threat. And if thieves really deserve to die, why not take a stroll down Wall Street and really make a difference?

Man, this gun-toting attitude is sickening.
And it's pretty hilarious that anyone thinks being armed will protect them from the government. Ha! They will smash you to bits need be.

Jul 7, 2014 - 06:29am PT
Wow, ^^^there's some logic.^^^


Now run off and play and let the grownups talk.


Big Wall climber
So Far East I might as well be dead
Jul 7, 2014 - 06:43am PT
If you don't have a gun, the day may come when your opinion won't matter.
"God may have created all men, but Sam Colt made them equal."
I don't remember who said that, but it is as true as the sky is blue.

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 7, 2014 - 06:54am PT
Even with a gun my opinion matters little. To think otherwise is delusional.

Sorry America, but this is just another sign that your society is devolving and it saddens me.
All the guns in the world won't stop the top-down rape and pillaging.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Jul 7, 2014 - 07:05am PT

You forgot the percentage of common sense...


Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 7, 2014 - 07:21am PT
, I've now purchased an H&K P30 .40, and I'm open-carrying it everywhere. My wife also shoots it

Great, now the chances of your wife wife being shot have increased by 600%. Surely fairness would dictate that she gets a gun of her own, or perhaps you are not THAT stupid?

Take a very good look at that gun, you are by far the most likely person to be shot with it, next is your wife, followed by your kids, then one of their friends, then one of your friends or neighbors, or someone at the range. But that's okay if it means you're not scared of the homicidal mugger bogeyman anymore.



Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 7, 2014 - 07:31am PT
What are Christians doing with guns anyway? My guess is they don't really believe in God's good grace and protection.
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