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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Maybe its a volume-discount purchare thing, likewhen you see a sale on ammo and stock up Ron?

Where and who constitutes the standing army of the DHS?

Ron, where are they hiding?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
They disclaim liability n all public grounds by not maintaining.

Gun regulation would ostensibly be to prevent deaths too. But you see more justification in that. Number of gun owners vs number of climbers?

Which is more deadly per capita?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
The DHS army is hiding in the FEMA death camps right next to the mass graves.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
would that be the same Justice Scalia who is widely regarded as THE absolute MOST Conservative Supreme Court Justice to have possibly ever served?

Yep... funny how a decline in the quality of education is resulting in a new breed of ultra-conservatives.

Gun regulation would ostensibly be to prevent deaths too. But you see more justification in that. Number of gun owners vs number of climbers?

Nobody can threaten my life at red point (against my will). No matter how much climbing gear they have or how crazy they are.

You people really need to get your sh#t together. Comparing restrictions on gun sales to potential restrictions on climbing is as absurd as comparing restrictions on cigarette sales to restrictions on candy sales.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
That baffles me. I've never seen the value in gold and silver... unless you are filling teeth, hunting werewolves, or building electronics... and you need very little for the latter.

Personally, I'm with you on this. I would think that hording of food, water, etc. would have more value in a real melt-down crisis.

What I've read, though, is that optimism prevails among those that financially prepare for massive economic restructuring, and precious metals always form the ultimate basis of inter-governmental monetary exchanges. So, when paper money (again) is grounded in precious metal, the metal itself forms the basis of value. Those having the metal, then, have the "real money" upon which paper notes are based. Only in a situation of utter collapse with no hope of economic restructuring would even the metal lose its value, because, as you are noting, in such a scenario, you can't eat gold.

Some famous economist said, "Government is the only entity that can take two valuable commodities like paper and ink, and by their mere combination render the product worthless."
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
I would think that hording of food, water, etc. would have more value in a real melt-down crisis.

I will use my guns to protect my garden from enemies, both 4 legged and 2...
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
I will use my guns to protect my garden from enemies, both 4 legged and 2...

That got a good laugh out of me. Well done, sir!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
Hillrat,, DHS isnt hiding,, They were showing off thier new assualt vehicles they got from Iraq and Afganny just the other day. Why does DHS need assualt vehicles HERE? Dont we already have a Natl guard in every state? Doesnt local SWAT have theirs every where swat exits?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Seriously? No comparison? I thought anything with potential to kill would be game for this thread. Now you dont like my argument you gota toss cookies? Man...

So name something else that we actually CAN compare. Apples to oranges is still fruht ya know.
Dover

Trad climber
New England
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
NO one moves TO CONN....That would be,, well,, just silly!

You have no imagination. You can bring all your guns and then volunteer to be an armed guard at the Newtown school. You'll be an NRA hero! They'll probably make you president of the NRA. You'll be the lead story on Fox News. When you do your Fox interview you can wear a t-shirt that says Protecting Our 2nd Amendment Rights--Ain't No Gubmint Gonna Tread On Me! The nation will go wild! The republicans will nominate you for president. You can run on a platform of automatic weapons for everyone with no background checks! Think about it, you'll get the economy going again, too. The gun manufactures will love you. Once you retire from being president, you can be a gun consultant for the industry and make the big bucks. See, Connecticut ain't silly at all.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
Ahhh ya lost me at being a politician.. Id be shot my second week in orfice.

Id be firing all congressmen and senators and arresting any lobbyists that breached the grounds.


and Ive actually been to Conn once.. Saw the mountain there.. Just didnt strike me. When compared to the eastside and all...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
because different counties, states, and municipalities have different laws about exactly who is to respond to armed security threats

each level has very different responsibilities

for example, the national guard is largely composed of "weekend" warriors, guys with regular jobs who are no match for outfits such as local SWAT teams and national level agents, such as those employed by many federal agencies, not the least of which is DHS

that's why

it's not so simple
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
Yes. Swat has them. Why not DHS? If they have to respond to a terrorist threat here, they may need to be capably armed. They would also be fighting in a similar style to what our soldiers are currently doing overseas now, in urban city tactics, so whatever future argument about how they,re training to fight us door to door is hereby decried in a preemptive argument.
What will they do with 1.6bil rounds? Same as you and me. Shoot targets. Train for the day they hope never to need them. I bet target shooters waste more ammo than the military.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
I realize that Norton, yet the mission of the natl guard is natl defense.. Now we have yet another agency designed for such.

Ill remind you of the DHS battle team that landed a blackhawk at a taxidermists place to arrest him over a paper work technicality regarding two dry salted turkey skins from mexico, a sting set up by USFWS.. Thats the sort of non sense they engage in at the drop of a hat. THAT REALLY happened.

And Rick Sumner and i were circled repeatedly while we were climbing at a local crag a while back by one of those same black, unmarked blackhawk helos- that now regurlarly search the area for illegals and plantations. Is that really a fed concern? Or is that a STATE and local concern? They do not leave it up to the local LEOs about illegals and known gang members as they let them live behind the laws and policies. So i see DHS becoming more and more into the scenes from my local crags to not being able to find ammo so i can go target shoot.





edit: Hillrat,, they ordered enough ammo to last in a hot war 20 years worth. Unprecedented order actually.

thats way more that ill shoot in a lifetime, times 1000...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Why does DHS need assualt vehicles HERE? D

Because gun nuts keep talking about "watering the tree of liberty" and using their guns to fight the government. DUH.


Seriously? No comparison?

Seriously, NONE.

I thought anything with potential to kill would be game for this thread.

Only if you want to continue setting up straw men to be knocked down, over and over and over.


So name something else that we actually CAN compare.

Let me see... what else can ANY non felon purchase, regardless of sanity, that is capable of killing dozens of innocent people in minutes?

Apples to oranges is still fruht ya know.

But oranges have WAY more nutrients.


Hillrat,, they ordered enough ammo to last in a hot war 20 years worth.

Ron, we have been over this several times. They ordered 1.6 billion rounds to be used over the next 5 years. They have over 100,000 armed personnel. That's 3200 rounds a year each for training and everything. Are you claiming that is unreasonable? I know people who go through 100+ a month for fun.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
Ok,, ill bite,, tell me exaclty, what sort of scenario you see in which "terrorists" are fought with battle geared DHS . Do you see some JihaderFreaks massing as an army here and attacking some city? We never needed the DHS before so is this paying off now? The terrorist attacks weve endured thus far were by small groups, not armies. Frankly i dont want some unmarked blackhawk with a guy at the door gun circling me while i climb. Makes me a bit nervous..ESPECIALLY when the f*cker doesnt even wave back!!!
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
If DHS is overstepping bounds, then that should soon be born out in US courts.

How do you know the blackhawk was DHS, or did you just assume that?

I see far more logic in the shortfalls of supply and demand when the public makes a panic run on ammo at the local Walmart. DHS didnt run down here to buy six boxes of every pistol caliber on the shelf.

Look, conspiracies can happen, but seldom on such a grand scale. You just cant have THAT many people keeping a secret agenda that would be so obviously wrong. The majority of DHS employees are people like us that just needed jobs.

Where sh#t goes down is during times of crisis when people get scared and controlling, like Katrina, where there actually were a few reported gun confiscations.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Let me see... what else can ANY non felon purchase,
pretty open-ended so far...
regardless of sanity,
that's a tougher one to firm up reliably...
that is capable of killing dozens of innocent people
and, in the case of hundreds of millions of guns, very, very rarely does...
in minutes?
And there it is: the proximate and dramatic thing again.

The last two words are what the whole "urgency" bit hinges upon. There are many other things that satisfy all but the last two words, and these do much more damage in all respects. But they are legal and even more unlikely to be legislated against than guns, because they simply lack the proximity and drama that make for, well, dramatic and sexy news fodder.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
Things a felon can purchase, potentially deadly-
cars, trucks, gasoline, matches, propane, poison,
free online books on explosives, geurilla warfare tactics,
other chemicals,
and more.

Lucky us, criminals and terrorists tend toward the dumber side, usually.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Hillrat,, it had NO N number - a 100% unmarked blackhawk, typical of DHS..I see them fly over nealry every day here now... They run a regular routine flight pattern, same every day.
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