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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
HR,,,They already have. Identifying yourself as a member of a murderous criminal gang.. Much like ohwwww,, a Squad of N Koreans parachuting into the school yard BAAAHAHA! They are and have been identified. MOST are here illegally to begin with. Therefore are subject to the laws, just like you and me right??

If we were caught illegally in mexico and known to be a criminal element, do you think we would be left to roam the streets? (snicker)
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Norton the Constitution now protects these illegals here. You know very well the amendments concerned. And further, the feds have standing policies issued by the obama admin that allow them to be here illegally as well and you know those as well- ive mentioned them many times previously.

Ron, again, I am pretty damn good on the Constitution from my law school days


I honestly don't know what you are talking about

for the third time, please state the section or amendment language that you are referring to

and now you throw out a new "fact", that the Obama Administration has issued "standing policies" that actually allow illegals to be here illegally

as President Obama has both greatly increased border funding, greatly increased border arrests, and also greatly increased deportation over any other President in US history, I honestly don't know what your "opinion" is fact base upon

can we try it again, please be specific, show the constitution language, political correctness "terminology" hurting enforcement, and also this new charge of yours regarding the President's new "standing orders", sources please

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Norton the 2nd amendment is the premise mmmk?


And as for deportations, tell me why there have been none in the 900 some gang members KNOWN by leos here. At least until they are caught in a crime, then they are sent to jail to be "fed" by you and me. ( dig that pun!)
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:41pm PT

as President Obama has both greatly increased border funding, greatly increased border arrests, and also greatly increased deportation over any other President in US history, I honestly don't know what your "opinion" is fact base upon

LOL! hahah!

first thing i think about is the "Fast and furious"...

don't forget about all those ponga boats full of refugees coming from encinada

Credit: pyro
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
The Feds put "aid stations" out in the canyons below Tuscon right now. Water, first aid kits blankets etc etc. All for the Illegal immigrants. They close off canyons due to being too dangerous due to illegals and smuggling activities as my brother found out the closing weekend of quail season.. A spot where a Veteran of thirty years went to hunt his game on US lands- could not access it due to govt orders from the US border patrol. Seems only illegal smugglers were allowed. My brother offered to collect them for them as he was equipped both long and short range means. They still refused him entrance to Federally owned lands..When asked how come THEY werent up in the canyon flushing them out, no answer was given. Just another, sorry sir, we cant allow you up there. And is ISNT too far from the Stronghold!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
The Feds put "aid stations" out in the canyons below Tuscon right now. Water, first aid kits blankets etc etc. All for the Illegal immigrants.

Says who?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Said the US border patrol to my brother. havent you been listening,, googleguy ? Lots of libs in Tuscon,, it IS the LIB mecca of AZ, and they collect goods and water for them too.. Ive seen such wit mah own eyeballz. And the litter they leave behind from such.. Ive hunted all over S of Tuscon as one of my bros lives there.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
i dont think we want to do things here thd way mexico does them.
and most of the little bastards i,ve seen in gangs are us citz, like you n me, only young, stupid, uneducated, with drug-addled parents or none.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Said the US border patrol to my brother.

You are fuking hopeless dude.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
ive long since given up on you wes. Coyotes hunting hogs BWAAAAHAHAHA1!



Aemadeo           sought for murder in Reno..
Aemadeo sought for murder in Reno..
Credit: Ron Anderson



Juan Manuel Sanchez  arrested in Reno for shootings  -known gang bange...
Juan Manuel Sanchez arrested in Reno for shootings -known gang banger
Credit: Ron Anderson


both these dudes are cold blooded killers..Im nothing like them HR. They were locals. Also from recent happenings here. For the previous three montsh, 69% of serious crimes reported by local news were committed by for the most illegal immigrants in the greater reno/tahoe area.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 5, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
Ground hogs, as in the first critter you mention, you fuking dumb ass.

You act like you are the only one who has seen or eaten wildlife because you spend all day stuffing them.

But what else can we expect from someone who thinks an unknown BP agent telling your brother something makes it a fact? Or that the opinion of one VA counselor, also your brother, accurately portrays the millions of mental health PROFESSIONALS in the VA system.


Tell us more about how the government is going to take your guns. Or how you need more ammo for the impending shootout in your parking lot.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
hey now, i didnt accuse you of that. just sayin theres plenty of US citizens who,ve chosen that lifestyle. ya aint gona deport them. and its not right to arrest them without commission of a crime. now if gang affiliation is a crime, then theres things that could be done. we cant just throw em in jail, aint enuf jails. and so far nobody seems willing to commit resources to fight socioeconomic conditions that make gangland attractive, so here we are stuck w em.

maybe start w free education. then maybe they wdnt have to steal n sling dope to eat.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Well, wes, you can google, or you can see by being there. And as per usual youll choose google research over being there any day. My brother was denied access to a canyon hes hunted for years. He is a thirty year Nam era veteran and has every damm right to hunt that canyon as he has for over two decades. He pays taxes for that damm land and had fought for that damm land and got refused by border patrol to enter that damm land. Now you do the damm math.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 5, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Well, wes, you can google, or you can see by being there.

Most illegal immigrants cross the boarder in CA, not AZ. I've spent hundreds of days working in the hills of SoCal. Some illegals used our sediment retention basins for shelter. Nice little fires, coals still warm when I got there. I can safely say I've been "there."

I can also safely say I'm not stupid enough to think my personal experience accurately reflects the situation at the boarder, unlike you.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 5, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
now if gang affiliation is a crime, then theres things that could be done. we cant just throw em in jail, aint enuf jails. and so far nobody seems willing to commit resources to fight socioeconomic conditions that make gangland attractive, so here we are stuck w em.

Now we're getting somewhere. Two forks here....

1) We're stuck with 'em. Okay, in that event, let's admit the "the gun problem" in this country is primarily grounded in our willingness to be "stuck with 'em."

2) We could do exactly what you suggest: address the socioeconomic conditions that make gangland attractive. A big part of that is the "attractive" aspect, which is almost entirely a function of the disastrous "war on drugs." Keep in mind that MOST poorer people do not turn to gangs. The "socioeconomic conditions" typically mean "economic conditions," which is indeed a factor. But the CHOICE of these gangbangers derives from the appeal of money and power.

Our jails are FILLED with non-violent "criminals" whose only "crime" is being part of the "drug culture," which is itself a pejorative term when there is no corresponding term for the "alcohol culture" in this country. Getting wasted on the weekends with beer is so normal and acceptable that vast amounts of money are devoted to advertising it (oh, yeah, with "drink responsibly" attached). But partying on the weekend with blow is a very, very, VERY bad no-no!

Ridiculous.

Clean out our prisons of these non-criminals (remember prohibition?), which would free up the space for this gang-banger trash. Stop the futile war on drugs (remember prohibition???), which would dry up most of the gangland revenue stream. And then start nailing asses to the wall!

If we can't have the national will to do this, then let's quit wringing our hands about "all the murder in this country" that is almost entirely caused by gangland America.

The best chance of success in any fight is to fight the fight where the fight actually is.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
mechrist, are the new NY mag bans essentially a confiscation of sorts? i realize its just a component, but hey- destroy it or sell it out of state- no option to keep it.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 5, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Ain't really a confiscation unless they... uh confiscate it. My understanding is that it is a ban, not a confiscation. Nobody is actually taking them away from people, are they?


The best chance of success in any fight is to fight the fight where the fight actually is.

Unless of course you have drones and can fight in your boxers from a Lazy Boy.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 5, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
Yes,, NY will force those who own high cap mags into selling them out of state. Or become knowing law breakers if no grandfathering will be done. Tamato, tahmahtohw...
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 5, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Maybe guns are the problem.

Fine, if you're going to quote Wikipedia, then, again, let's be consistent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_States

So, if you really think that gangs in the US and UK are comparable by any metric, well... no point in arguing. Part of a productive argument (rather than being like dogs pissing on trees) is to admit what common ground there is, and attempt to build understanding from that common ground. And even your cited page states that 65% of gun-murder in the UK is gang-related. I'm not going to dig up the stats, but I've read many times that the figure is higher in the US. Perhaps that higher percentage is after accounting for gun accidents and suicides. Even so, it would put "unaccounted for" gun-caused murders in the country down into the hundreds.

I've already cited stats in this thread showing that after accidents and suicides, the remaining percentage of "homicides" caused by guns is less than 40% of the 12,000 figure you keep citing.

If you say that gangs in the UK and US are neatly comparable, then it's clear from the above that the vast majority of genuine murders in this country (committed with a gun) are gangland in nature.

And if you say that gangs in the UK and US are fundamentally not comparable, then you should stop citing anything about UK statistics to make your points.

Really, the two societies are SO different, on SO many fundamental metrics completely unrelated to the "gun culture," that comparisons between them on the gun issue are really quite specious. I notice that you don't try to compare other developed nations that HAVE a "gun culture" and with ready and quite easy access to guns, because those are counterarguments to your perspective.

And, keep in mind that I keep saying that I personally don't give a rip about what gun-purchase measured get enacted. I think that whole approach is laughable, futile, and pretty much harmless. So, I have no dog in that fight. ALL that bothers me about this nationwide debate is that it takes attention away from what really ARE serious issues that we would better devote our national will to addressing.

We have a GANG problem in this country, and it is far, far out of proportion to that of, say, the UK.

And it's a problem that can be solved, and solved very quickly, if we would devote 1/10 of the national will to it that we presently devote to the ridiculous war on drugs.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 5, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
And it's a problem that can be solved, and solved very quickly, if we would devote 1/10 of the national will to it that we presently devote to the ridiculous war on drugs.


I'd think legalizing many of those drugs would solve the gang problem much faster. Take away much of their money and reason to fight over turf while taxing drug sales and investing in schools rather than prisons.

Plus, who cares about gangland murders? Ron flashed some cold blooded killers but didn't show the pieces of sh#t those guys probably murdered. Sh#t in, sh#t out. I usually don't give a crap about those types, or motorcycle gangs, or whoever murdering each other. If only they could do it before reproducing, that would be perfect.
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