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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 22, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
No CCW needed bill passed in Utah and is sitting on the Governor's desk.

3 options

veto (political death in this state)

sign into law

not sign, becomes law anyway



My guess is #3.
Get ready for legal concealed carry in Zion without a permit.
Shootouts over who gets a route? lol
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
Nevada is mostly open carry counties anyhoo. You should see the looks guys get walking into wally-world with a 45 colt revolver on their hip..To kneevadans- it aint no thang.

We have a bill up for consideration now to make it a free CCW state.. I hope it passes.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
What new legislation would you like to see passed, Ron?

And prices are already coming back down for those so dastardly assualt rifles. You know, the ones CONGRESS backed away from like scalded dogs they are..


since you sarcastically chastise those politicians who know that there is no way an assault weapons ban can get enough support to become law?

I presume you then want such a ban to become law because you seem to criticize those who "back away" from such ban


and by the way, yes indeed, there IS enough support in congress to get a bill through although it will simply increase straw buyer penalties and expand background checks, and that IS what the President has spoken in favor of and will very likely become law

personally, none of that effects me and my own gun ownership but if such legislation helps to keep guns out of bad guys hands even just a little bit then I don't see anyone would object

so what legislation do YOU want to see passed, Ron?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Which Ron?


Herbert just vetoed the bill.


Hmmm. Probably his last term.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
I always get a kick out of your interpretation Norton, albeit predictable.

You can pass all the "legislation" you want- which will have zero effects on those outside those laws- im all but positive NONE of those with evil intent will review laws before perpetrating their crimes.


The second amendment is the ONLY legislation im concerned over. Back ground checks are fine and dandy. Lots of states have back up or redundant laws and agencies that check the permits also.. That is how we kept a lunatic Dem legislator from obtaining a weapon here recently. Our state dept of public safety was the catch. No feds needed. Thats the way its supposed to be--instead of micr managment from the whitehouse to all.





edit: TV,, ill have to dig the number outta my email. Its being introduced by Senator Gustavson- the same Senator introducing the Nevada Liberties preservation act to combat the ndaa 2013 laws...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
Ron, the claim made in the first 25 seconds of your video, about the founding/starting of the NRA, contradicts what the NRA itself says about its founding. Not a SINGLE word about slaves...

http://www.nrahq.org/history.asp

I wonder how much they got paid to disseminate that bullshit.

And you sucked it up like a sponge and regurgitated it without even thinking to validate the content. Everyone lies, except for those you agree with... they MUST be telling the truth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
No that is some Black Folks opinion of what the NRA meant to them...So bringing up what the NRA thinks of themselves is irrelevant..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Back ground checks are fine and dandy. Lots of states


ok, so you do support more gun legislation

you support increased background checks

do you also support tougher penalties for straw buyers?


by the way, I still don't get why you criticized politicians for not being able to ban assault weapons
from this, you must want them banned/
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
"So not a word about the vid i posted this am.."

"The homocide rat4es HAVE BEEN coming down for quite some time now. MANY seem to forget this."

"And im sure the homicide rates have gone up since 2004"


Why debate someone who contradicts himself without realizing it?

A 3rd grader has a better grip on reality reality than this clown.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
No Norton, im not for ANY bans on guns or magazines. I was just pointing out to the far leftys that their group failed, much like they point out on here 250 times a day how the far righties are screwed in the head. I see sarcasm is lost on you..

And Straw buyers?? The Dad that gets his son a 22 at the age of 11?(both being legal to own weapons)

Or you bought a glock .40 as a present to a favorite uncle for his birthday?? (both being legal to own weapons)


Common circumstances that would both be labelled illegal under new legislations?


They can already track straw sales using local records- which they do on a daily bais.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
And Straw buyers?? The Dad that gets his son a 22 at the age of 11?(both being legal to own weapons)

Or you bought a glock .40 as a present to a favorite uncle for his birthday?? (both being legal to own weapons)


Common circumstances that would both be labelled illegal under new legislations?


wow, you really do not know what a straw buyer is, do you

both of your above examples are NOT definitions of straw buyers, not now, and certainly not in any new legislation

you should take the time to look up what a gun straw buyer is, Ron
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Neither gun nuts nor women are particularly susceptible to having their emotions changed by subjecting them to logic, facts or critical reasoning, it seems

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
I know full well what a straw buyer is Norton. There are already laws on the books. However, when the next kid goes ape-shyt and shoots up a school with the gun his dad bought for him, where do you see the legisaltion going?


These games the politickshuns play with us is one of eating an elephant with a fork. The elephant being the constitution and the fork being ever increasingly restricted laws passed at the fed level.


So since we ALREADY have laws, and Brady checks , and state redundant agencies doing the same, why do we need ANY new laws to add to those already there?
And further,, relying on uncle monkey to make yur world a better place through more laws is most definitly like praying that the screen door will work in yur submarine.

Instead, why not have the feds just expand on the brady check info to include the model and serial number of the gun being purchased? that would take making a new form to include two more boxes on it for thier computer program...TOO SIMPLE?>?? Yu tell me.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Ron,

please take the time to read the definition of a gun straw buyer

you clearly do not know

both of the "examples" you cited are entirely legal and are not straw buyers

really Ron, it just takes a minute, just a little intellectual curiosity, read, it won't hurt your head
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
I know what straw buyers are Norton, and you didnt answer my question. game over.
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
"The homocide rat4es HAVE BEEN coming down for quite some time now. MANY seem to forget this."

"And im sure the homicide rates have gone up since 2004"
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Mar 22, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Ammunition is getting scarce...This morning I lucked out and was able to buy several cases of ammo. On the way home I stopped at a gas station where a gorgeous lady was filling up her tank.She looked at the ammo in my car and said in a very sexy voice "Im a big believer in Bartering, would you be interested in trading sex for ammo?"...I thought a few seconds and asked..."What kind of ammo you got"...
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
I don't imagine legislation to limit the number of sales to 1 per person/year ever passing. Talking about that seems about as useful as asking what if we woke up and the world was made of chocolate. questions never hurt nonetheless.

seems like the punishment isn't a huge deterrent for straw buyers... 2.5 yrs or so max 10. There has to be a way so person to person sales can exist, while at the same time being able to check the status of buyer and seller.

scott
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
"I know what straw buyers are Norton,"

Credit: apogee
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
Apogee,, really? I brought a question forward about those and the future- Norton chose not to answer as usual..

I ask that question due to the fact that congress rejected the assualt weapons ban BECAUSE it would stiffle the small victories they CAN get away with now.. Sound familiar? Another year, another tragedy and wallah! Another set of ever increasingly restrictive laws. The elephant being eaten a fork at a time hardly notices the tiny bites until those tiny bites accumulate and by then its too late.



ps,, ROUND ONE TO THE GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA BIOTCHES! nanner, nanner, nanner...

pss,,, My buddy Manuel just qualified for his CCW too...
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