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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:45am PT
It's not a matter of what anyone needs. The question of need is irrelevant. We are free to buy whatever, whenever as long as it's legal.

And that is why you will lose and look like a fool doing it. Your blind desire for presumed freedoms you don't need or use, but others clearly exploit, results in an unnecessarily high rate of gun related crime and murder. Limiting the number of guns you can buy over a period of time does not infringe on your right to keep and bear arms.

Go ahead and get your panties all bunched up about weapons bans, high cap mag limitation, etc. You have a semi-legitimate (but incredibly outdated) argument when the government attempts to make it illegal for you to keep and bear those. But restrictions on gun sales has nothing to do with your right to keep and bear arms.

It's wrong to assume that most lawful citizens are straw sales people.

Nobody said most lawful citizens are "straw sales people." That is more made up fairy tale bullsh#t... like "If tomorrow, there were no guns in the US" It reminds me of play time with my 8 year old niece... "what if tomorrow we woke up and the world was made of chocolate!"

It is a FACT that most criminals get their guns from "family or friends" through straw purchases. It only takes 100 criminals with a clean record to supply the 1200 guns a year used in all crimes committed in California.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:49am PT
So not a word about the vid i posted this am...The NRA fighting the good fight- since conception.. Gun laws being for ALL good law abiding people.

So for you anti gunnuterz there are several states considering NO PERMIT CCW laws like NH..

The CCW laws are actually geting better too- like the qualifying with one hand gun that covers all other styles of hand guns.

And prices are already coming back down for those so dastardly assualt rifles. You know, the ones CONGRESS backed away from like scalded dogs they are..


And of course,, Obama promising reforms and his "team" ran by double barrel biden seems to only have come up with "shooting those barrels off through the doorway at night" routine.


Double barrel Biden,, and then,, of course, Feinstien-- a PTSD victim with so much obvious biased as to disqualify her from ANY logical legislation.. Quite the team allright-- of whacko leftys loosing big time. An ANTI gun knut is the very same as a westboro kook. Both to be ignored, as evidenced by congress.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:52am PT
Your video is absurd. Like the NRA of 1960's has ANYTHING to do with the NRA of today. Give me a fuking break.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Yur a RACIST!!!!!!!!!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Yur an idiot.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:54am PT
No CCW needed bill passed in Utah and is sitting on the Governor's desk.

3 options

veto (political death in this state)

sign into law

not sign, becomes law anyway



My guess is #3.
Get ready for legal concealed carry in Zion without a permit.
Shootouts over who gets a route? lol
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Nevada is mostly open carry counties anyhoo. You should see the looks guys get walking into wally-world with a 45 colt revolver on their hip..To kneevadans- it aint no thang.

We have a bill up for consideration now to make it a free CCW state.. I hope it passes.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:02am PT
What new legislation would you like to see passed, Ron?

And prices are already coming back down for those so dastardly assualt rifles. You know, the ones CONGRESS backed away from like scalded dogs they are..


since you sarcastically chastise those politicians who know that there is no way an assault weapons ban can get enough support to become law?

I presume you then want such a ban to become law because you seem to criticize those who "back away" from such ban


and by the way, yes indeed, there IS enough support in congress to get a bill through although it will simply increase straw buyer penalties and expand background checks, and that IS what the President has spoken in favor of and will very likely become law

personally, none of that effects me and my own gun ownership but if such legislation helps to keep guns out of bad guys hands even just a little bit then I don't see anyone would object

so what legislation do YOU want to see passed, Ron?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:04am PT
Which Ron?


Herbert just vetoed the bill.


Hmmm. Probably his last term.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:09am PT
I always get a kick out of your interpretation Norton, albeit predictable.

You can pass all the "legislation" you want- which will have zero effects on those outside those laws- im all but positive NONE of those with evil intent will review laws before perpetrating their crimes.


The second amendment is the ONLY legislation im concerned over. Back ground checks are fine and dandy. Lots of states have back up or redundant laws and agencies that check the permits also.. That is how we kept a lunatic Dem legislator from obtaining a weapon here recently. Our state dept of public safety was the catch. No feds needed. Thats the way its supposed to be--instead of micr managment from the whitehouse to all.





edit: TV,, ill have to dig the number outta my email. Its being introduced by Senator Gustavson- the same Senator introducing the Nevada Liberties preservation act to combat the ndaa 2013 laws...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Ron, the claim made in the first 25 seconds of your video, about the founding/starting of the NRA, contradicts what the NRA itself says about its founding. Not a SINGLE word about slaves...

http://www.nrahq.org/history.asp

I wonder how much they got paid to disseminate that bullshit.

And you sucked it up like a sponge and regurgitated it without even thinking to validate the content. Everyone lies, except for those you agree with... they MUST be telling the truth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:20am PT
No that is some Black Folks opinion of what the NRA meant to them...So bringing up what the NRA thinks of themselves is irrelevant..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Back ground checks are fine and dandy. Lots of states


ok, so you do support more gun legislation

you support increased background checks

do you also support tougher penalties for straw buyers?


by the way, I still don't get why you criticized politicians for not being able to ban assault weapons
from this, you must want them banned/
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:23am PT
"So not a word about the vid i posted this am.."

"The homocide rat4es HAVE BEEN coming down for quite some time now. MANY seem to forget this."

"And im sure the homicide rates have gone up since 2004"


Why debate someone who contradicts himself without realizing it?

A 3rd grader has a better grip on reality reality than this clown.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:31am PT
No Norton, im not for ANY bans on guns or magazines. I was just pointing out to the far leftys that their group failed, much like they point out on here 250 times a day how the far righties are screwed in the head. I see sarcasm is lost on you..

And Straw buyers?? The Dad that gets his son a 22 at the age of 11?(both being legal to own weapons)

Or you bought a glock .40 as a present to a favorite uncle for his birthday?? (both being legal to own weapons)


Common circumstances that would both be labelled illegal under new legislations?


They can already track straw sales using local records- which they do on a daily bais.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:43am PT
And Straw buyers?? The Dad that gets his son a 22 at the age of 11?(both being legal to own weapons)

Or you bought a glock .40 as a present to a favorite uncle for his birthday?? (both being legal to own weapons)


Common circumstances that would both be labelled illegal under new legislations?


wow, you really do not know what a straw buyer is, do you

both of your above examples are NOT definitions of straw buyers, not now, and certainly not in any new legislation

you should take the time to look up what a gun straw buyer is, Ron
jghedge

climber
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Neither gun nuts nor women are particularly susceptible to having their emotions changed by subjecting them to logic, facts or critical reasoning, it seems

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 11:59am PT
I know full well what a straw buyer is Norton. There are already laws on the books. However, when the next kid goes ape-shyt and shoots up a school with the gun his dad bought for him, where do you see the legisaltion going?


These games the politickshuns play with us is one of eating an elephant with a fork. The elephant being the constitution and the fork being ever increasingly restricted laws passed at the fed level.


So since we ALREADY have laws, and Brady checks , and state redundant agencies doing the same, why do we need ANY new laws to add to those already there?
And further,, relying on uncle monkey to make yur world a better place through more laws is most definitly like praying that the screen door will work in yur submarine.

Instead, why not have the feds just expand on the brady check info to include the model and serial number of the gun being purchased? that would take making a new form to include two more boxes on it for thier computer program...TOO SIMPLE?>?? Yu tell me.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 22, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
Ron,

please take the time to read the definition of a gun straw buyer

you clearly do not know

both of the "examples" you cited are entirely legal and are not straw buyers

really Ron, it just takes a minute, just a little intellectual curiosity, read, it won't hurt your head
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 22, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
I know what straw buyers are Norton, and you didnt answer my question. game over.
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