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STFU n00b!!!
Jun 8, 2014 - 07:25am PT

"I observed them to be very well mannered and trained."...

Like a Circus Animal???....

Just wondering...



Social climber
So Cal
Jun 8, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Jun 8, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
In fact, in my life, there have never been more new people entering the gun owner status. There have never been more people securing CCW licenses , and never been more hunters afield than now and never been more crowded gun ranges.

and there have never been more people who eschew guns, believe global warming is anthropogenic, bring dogs to the crag, believe in god, are Atheists, eat meat, are vegans, use chalk, chop bolts, sh#t on ledges, pee in the pool, hate obama, kill bears, join militias, go awol, kill biscuits...

that's because there has never been more people.

Jun 10, 2014 - 03:27am PT
Ron Anderson wrote:
And we will not agree on child raising technique. Period.

I find that statement rather odd. Do you view me as only an adversary with whom you can never ever agree?

Are you actually stating that you disagree with parenting methods that produce well-behaved children and upstanding citizens all the while never using any physical punishment?

If I boil it down, you only agree with parenting methods that involve spankings or beatings for discipline, do I have that right? You can't be serious?

Ron Anderson wrote:
As far as you tit-willy libs go and your desire to see them leave the planet- AINT GONNA HAPPEN. In fact you loose that battle daily as good americans arm themsleves by the throngs. Ammo manufacturers burning the midnight oil 24/7.

First, I find it ironic that you complain regularly about posters lumping you in with a particular group (Republicans, the right, GWB supporters, etc.), and then turn right around and generalize about "libs" instead of actually addressing my individual posts. I know, it's a chicken or the egg thing, and who knows who fired the first shot, but because "they" do it to you, you feel the need to return the bullshit (that goes for everyone) generalization favor.

Second, I personally find it disheartening, and dare I write tragic, that you rejoice in Americans heavily arming themselves. 2nd amendment aside, what does that say about our country where Americans feel the need to protect themselves in such a manner from other Americans? Are the notions of solidarity, helping one's neighbor, fellow countrymen only so much lip-service, propaganda, and clichés for Hallmark cards?

Third, and this is addressed to you and everyone else on this thread talking about your inalienable right as stated in the constitution to have a gun: could you please point out where in the US Constitution it states that gun (or weapons possession) can not be regulated? The first amendment is not without its limits, why should the second amendment be without limits?

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 04:37am PT
Ron posted
And about a hundred million OTHER GUNS killed no one.. My guns killed no one, and my buddies guns killed no one.. And ALL OF mys customers guns killed no one, and all their familys guns killed no one , and the NRA members guns killed no one and the militias guns killed no one, and the 700K at local gun ranges killed no one, and -- and --- and --- etc etc etc etc etc.

Ron brings up an important point. We should clearly move to a system of incarcerating individual firearms for their crimes against humanity. Why should certain law abiding firearms be trigger locked or safetied when they have done nothing wrong? This is cut and dry violation of habeus musketus. The Supreme Court has decided that the second amendment firmly establishes the legal personhood of firearms and we need to take this into consideration within the greater discussion about guns.

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 05:56am PT
You are arguing with people without a soul. Give up and get as far away from them as possible.

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jun 10, 2014 - 06:40am PT
Ron said: Ive has more than a few guns pointed at me degaine. Like a ruger blackhawk 357 magnum,, a model 92 winchester 30-30, and a ruger 308 carbine. Also a shotgun- remington 870 i think it was. And one of those doing said pointing died in that process from my gun. you were able to kill a man who was pointing a gun at you?
And why just the one?
Maybe you should get a bullet proof blankie Ron, you know, for next time, just in case you can't get the first shot off.

BTW, will someone please explain to a technonoob how to insert quotes and links properly?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:04am PT
Hey Ron I thought you were turning over a new leaf?

How about another story? I liked the last one.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:25am PT
Aw man I meant in its own thread!



Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:57am PT
Let's be honest. Guns are fetish totems at this point.

Even the "wild west" knew that people wandering around with loaded guns in cities was a bad idea.

(Also that Prickly Ash Bitters are the bomb!)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 10, 2014 - 10:10am PT
Ya know its kinda funny these 'got m'GUNZ!!!!' types actually seem to revere the 'strong western sheriff' mythology of the American West (religion)... you know, like Wyatt Earp.

Wyatt Earp would pistol whipped Bundy and sold his cows at public auction. He would have shot those militia boyz like they were yeller hanky wearing bangers from Tombstone.


Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 10, 2014 - 10:23am PT
The Armed Citizen:
TROUTDALE -- Police responded shortly after 8 a.m. to a report of shots fired at Reynolds High School. Police confirmed about 9:20 a.m. that a shooter in the incident was dead.

At 10 a.m., police confirmed that one student had also been killed. The students names and genders have not been released.

SWAT teams were working their way through the school, releasing students from classrooms who are leaving with their hands over their heads.

Another day, another school shooting. Ho-hum.

Jun 10, 2014 - 10:28am PT
i'm done with debate. it's time for WAR. down with the NRA. Yes, I DO WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jun 10, 2014 - 10:54am PT
So the firearms in this incident loaded themselves and fought their way into the "gun free zone"? Tricksie things they are...

Comon... only 70 more posts...

Kick this dead horse!

Jun 10, 2014 - 11:00am PT
You will FALL!!! The public is getting sick of the pathetic excuses. You will find you won't last long little cowards. You and your guns are NOTHING. THIS IS MY COMMUNITY YOU ASSHOLES. As far as I am concerned, you are the enemy.

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 10, 2014 - 11:23am PT
I'm your enemy because I have guns? Huh. Bring on the war... cause...
I've got the guns.

Hey... you wanta trade my guns for your freedom of speech? Seems fair.

Sport climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 11:25am PT

"Can the crawling creator crawling in the same dark as his creature create while crawling?" One of the questions he put to himself as between two crawls he lay.

And if the obvious answer were not far to seek, the most helpful was another matter. And many crawls were necessary before he could finally make up his imagination on this score. Adding to himself without conviction in the same breath as always that no answer of his was sacred ....

So while in the same breath deploring a fancy so reason-ridden and observing how revocable its flights he could not but answer finally:

"No he could not. Could not conceivably create while crawling in the same create dark as his creature."

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
2 more dead in Oregon school shooting - thanks NRA!

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Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 10, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
only 2 dead, including himself, this time?
What a loser

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 10, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
You guys sure are a bunch of alarmists. Fox News says it ain't so bad:
Are schools and colleges dangerous places, with lots of gun violence?

Some groups paint a picture of these places being particularly unsafe. Supposedly both murders and firearm suicides are very common at educational institutions. Last Wednesday, former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s two groups, Moms Demand Gun Sense in America and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, jointly released a report that received massive uncritical news coverage.

They claimed that 44 shootings occurred in schools and colleges nationwide since the Newtown, Conn. massacre on Dec. 14, 2012 and Feb. 10 of this year. Out of the 44 shootings, a total of 28 died. To dramatize their numbers, Bloomberg’s groups emphasized that one of these attacks occurred every 10 days.

But their statistics are not what they seem. Included in the numbers are suicides. Also included are late night shootings taking place in school parking lots, on their grounds or even off school property, often involving gangs. As “shootings,” they also include any incident where shots were fired, even when nobody was injured.
Also, some perspective is needed. Contrary to what many people believe, high school shootings have actually been falling over the last two decades. To illustrate this let’s compare the five school years 1992-93 to 1996-97 with the five school years from 2008-09 to 2012-13. During the first period, the number of non-gang, non-suicide shooting deaths averaged 25 a year. During the recent five-year period, it averaged less than half that, 10 per year – and that figure does include the horrific Newtown massacre.

What a relief! I feel much better about all this!
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