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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Hill rat, here in NV we also have the dept of public safety. We have redundancy in our checks. We DONT need a brady check to BUY AMMO. Ill be dang if im gonna pay an extra 25.00 and wait for an hour to buy a box..
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
VP's suggestion wasn't the best, but certainly not the worst. Unless you're expecting someone specifically intent on murdering you, a gun fired in the air is likely to convince 99% of burglars to leave, maybe if Oscar Pistoris had tried that approach he'd still be a free man with a beautiful girlfriend now (where's the sarcasm emoticon?). The only person I know who's ever drawn a gun to tackle a burglar found himself muzzle to muzzle with his own father, neither expected anyone else at home, luckily both learned an important lesson.

When I had guns at home, my plan if I had heard an intruder downstairs was to fire one barrel down the stairs, and if the MF kept coming upstairs after hearing a 12 gauge fired indoors, use the second barrel to shoot out the bedroom window and jump! Anyone who's experienced a shotgun fired indoors without ear protection will know what I mean. Of course that was in a country where the chance of a burglar carrying a gun was zero.

Finally, complete BS claiming that firing in the air to alert others of an intruder in your home would result in felony charges. Cops would be much happier dealing with an attempted burglary than the mess of a dead burglar or dead homeowner.

TE






Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
Can you name just one self-defense expert who recomends firing "warning" shots? At any time, or for any reason?

It's a felony here in California. You'll get three years in The Joint for doing it. We're pretty lenient, by comparison. In Florida, people get 20 years for firing off warning shots.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
poor TE,, needs to review his local statutes..


wonder if double barrel Biden hunts by shooting at "noise" in the bushes too?
jghedge

climber
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
"poor TE,, needs to review his local statutes.."

Of which you know nothing.

Obviously.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
I agree Ron, background checks on ammo would be a bit ridiculous. Expanding background checks to all sales would be a PITA with the current model. If they do that, then they should alter the system to something automated that a private party can also utilize.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Cheney already proved conclusively you don't fire until you've identified your target and the backdrop.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
lol, there is no felony in deliberately missing in self defense in CA. Whether it's advisable or not is another topic.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
perhaps not a felony, but discharge of a fire arm in city limits or occupied areas is normally an offense. Dishcarging a weapon at un identified or unkowns in the dark is just stupid.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
We are talking self-defense here. Pay attention.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
Hillrat writes:

"Cheney already proved conclusively you don't fire until you've identified your target and the backdrop."


Yes. Cheney does a hell of a lot more to advance the cause of gun safety by serving as a bad example than the curent Vice President does by giving us his wrong, dangerous, and illegal advice.
jghedge

climber
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
"perhaps not a felony, but discharge of a fire arm in city limits or occupied areas is normally an offense."

In self-defense?

Hahahahaha

Leave it to single-digit-IQ Rong to contradict himself without realizing it.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
Warning shots are not considered self defense. ( look it up ) It's a felony in California.

Besides, it's a waste of ammunition.
jghedge

climber
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
"Cheney does a hell of a lot more to advance the cause of gun safety by serving as a bad example..."

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Does being unable to logically explain why you need guns in the first place set the same bad example?



monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
What's the difference between a warning shot and a miss. I just missed.

Do ya get charged for missing?

In fact, if you deliberately missed and then the perp then runs away, and you shoot him in the back, in CA you will be charged. Maybe in Florida too, depending on how stand your ground applies.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
No, Monolith. You won't be charged for your misses, IF you are firing in a legitimate self-defense situation. Just don't admit to firing to scare someone, like Joe Biden suggests, because that's both reckless and illegal.

In other words, the only time your "warning" shots would be legal would be the same time deadly force is legal. Walking out on your deck, and blasting both barrels just to make noise, like Biden suggests, is totally illegal and will earn you a few years in prison if you're that stupid.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Better look into it closer. If you are committing a crime, a warning shot is a felony.

Otherwise, in self-defense it is not. Like in this example.

Funny you gun boyz didn't know this, but still accuse others of ignorance.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
OK. What are the established guidelines for firing off warning shots? What do the self-defense pros suggest?

They suggest you not do it ( except for Obama's Vice President, but he's an idiot ).
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
You're right hedge. I don't need guns. There are plenty of other ways to kill people.

Fortunately for me, the constitution protects my individual right to have guns, whether or not I choose to own them. The Supreme Court upholds this right, the President and the Vice President recognize this right. The majority of Congress recognize this right. Individual state constitutions reiterate this right.
The history of this country demonstrates that we've always supported firearms ownership.
Tradition in this country, whereby countless generations have kept, born, and employed firearms support the ongoing individual ownership of arms here for what are and have been deemed, historically and traditionally, appropriate uses.
You and your ankle-biting "35 deaths in the UK" rhetoric are like a toothless chihuahua nipping on the heels of an elephant.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
baaahahahahaaa^^^^^^GUD one HR...
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