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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Now that is the exact type of playing-politics sh#t we're all sick of. Sick of it.

Of course, filibustering so it would require 60 votes is perfectly fine.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
The Senate could do away with the fillibuster rule completely, with just a majority vote.

It wasn't that long ago when it took 67 votes to break a fillibuster. Somehow, bills were passed then.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
this has never been a high priority subject with the general populace.

The vote just reflects that, like it should



http://www.gallup.com/poll/161813/few-guns-immigration-nation-top-problems.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Politics
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
And filibusters were used very infrequently then, Chaz. Now they happen all the time.

And yea, that 'simple majority' solution to change the filibuster rules isn't called the 'nuclear' option for no good reason. No one wants to go that route.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
46 Senators have just shown that they believe their jobs are more important than saving lives. I can't believe that I would ever have voted Republican, but Sen. Toomey's courage has assured my vote for his re-election.

All the rest of the partisan sh#t is just that, less taxes for less services, or more taxes for more services, its all a wash, nothing but opinion to justify whether one or the the other is right. I couldn't give a damn about abortion or gay marriage, won't affect my life, so this issue is the only one where we can be 100% sure to make a positive improvement in the lives of Americans. 46 Senators are going to answer soon enough.

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Nope. Totally different drugs with totally different effects. One has been tested for millenia, the other about 30-40 years.


So they still get to drive?

Sure why not? It doesn't affect your coordination. I bet a person on Prozac could kill way more people than a drunk fuker with the same weapons.

Let's just make sure they aren't amassing an arsenal and keep an eye out for personality changes for the first few critical months they are on new medications... at least until we know how they are affected.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Agreed. Get on that.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
By voting yes today, they'd be handing the federal gov't over to the dems come next election.

The Tea Party would make sure of it.

yep

and the Tea Party has already cost the Republicans the US Senate

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Maybe not so idiotic Hedge. If Reid wasn't there to oppose it, perhaps Yucca Mountain would open with the result being tens of billions in fed expenditures and thousands of good paying jobs. And of course any idiotic first termer wouldn't bite the hand of the mining and gaming industry that feeds them.The only industry/constituency that would be shortchanged would be the "undocumented democrats".
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:34pm PT

Dems just have to wait a few more election cycles - then we get to do whatever we want.


Sounds like a democracy I'd love to live in! Just kidding, I'm enjoying a land where we are free, mostly because there are fewer dummies and far fewer rules.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
LMAO Hedge at your conversion
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
actually,

excellent sarcasm, Hedge!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Senators need guns....they certainly don't have guts. There is quite a positive correlation between gun ownership and weak stomachs.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
Regardless of why your singing the tune, eventually with enough repeats you'll begin to believe it. Go to your own training manuals Hedge for validation on this technique.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
well,

both Ron Anderson and myself are disappointed with the Senate today

both of us support increased background checks
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
weak
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Pinning your hopes for gun control, Norton, on the chance that repub party would go along with it, thereby committing political suicide, was probably never very realistic, right?

Dare I hope you're starting to see the light?


saying I support even a watered down bill because it is better than nothing is being realistic, Joe

and no Joe, your comment is flat wrong about ME seeing the light

if you are going to come after me then you better prove your sh#t, and thus far your little comment has no basis

you started this Joe, why I don't know, maybe your ass holeness is just coming out AGAIN
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 17, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Can we all stop hoarding now so I can go buy a few plinker rounds for my .22?
Buy a pressure cooker instead, 'cause those are about to go black-market. And they make artichoke pretty tasty.
Thanks.
(offended response in 3...2....)
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Apr 17, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
jhedge, I don't share your confidence that in just a few years the second amendment will be repealed, but neither do I think that repeal is necessary to achieve a significant reduction in gun violence, one that will feed on itself over time to reduce further deaths.

The supreme court has ruled that reasonable restrictions on gun ownership are constitutional; repeated challenges to the Brady Bill failed. Most of all the words are simply the right to KEEP and BEAR. There is nothing about not infringing on licensed dealers or private sellers, nothing prohibiting laws on responsible ownership or responsible sales. Nothing about bullets, the founding fathers knew guns needed ammunition, if they had wanted unrestricted sales of guns and bullets, they would have said so.

I don't have a goal of eliminating guns, the goal is significantly reducing deaths and injuries. Laws that restrict access to guns by prohibited persons and serious penalties for irresponsible ownership will reduce violence, it will take time, but it can happen sooner than repeal of the second amendment. Reduced violence will reduce demand for guns, fewer law-abiding people will feel the need to own guns, and less crazies will already have a gun at home when they do go over the edge.

Guns are not like drugs, there is a legitimate market for law-abiding people, the margin and scale is not there for a significant international black market, criminals will not smuggle guns from Fuktupistan when they can smuggle drugs. Eliminate the sources of illegal guns, and you will reduce illegal guns. Straw purchases, "private" sales, burglary.

TE


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 17, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
I don't have a goal of eliminating guns, the goal is significantly reducing deaths and injuries. Laws that restrict access to guns by prohibited persons and serious penalties for irresponsible ownership will reduce violence,

We already have plenty of those.

You are correct though, only 4% think that gun control is a serious issue.

If this bunch is representative, about 2/3rds of those think that further restrictions are the serious issue.

That puts Mr. Unhinged in the 2%

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