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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
you remind me of dealing with my 10 yr old nephews wes. They use much the same logic patterns while IGNORING what i actually say.



my facts came from wikipedia.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
That is a direct quote Ron. How am I ignoring what you said? Monolith asked if you could decide the guy was wrong from the video, you said no. Here's another direct quote:

Now if the guy has been charged then he was in the wrong most likely.

Pretty sure "if-then" statements fall under the category of logic.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
you put up a thrity second vid with NO other info. I could NOT see the two young guys or what they were doing at the time of the man brandishing the gun. So how in the hell am i supposed to extract anything from that?

other than obviously setting me up for some stupid conversation of semantics?

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
So, walking up behind someone seated in a car and punching them in the back of the head is not wrong?

i couldnt decide squat from a 30 secnd vid like that.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
It appeared to me,, since the man was already talking to them he was face to face wth the driver. So the coming from behind sucker punch is questionable to say the least. Was the man in the wrong legally and morally? I do not know what caused his irritations. All that was posted was thirty seconds of video. Ive seen young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for. So with out knowing the causes here i certainly wont throw out judgments OTHER than he was in the wrong pulling a gun and firing it as well. The threat had been removed it would SEEM from the 30 seconds of vid.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

Sen Dianne Feinstein stated very clearly just last year that if she thought she could get the votes she would take away all the guns.

Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns." Of course he was a law professor when he said that, but do you really think his core views have changed?

There are a lot of people in government who would confiscate all the guns in public hands if they could.

You might be being naive about some of the pro gun people.

Sen John Barasso stated very clearly just last year that if he thought he could get the votes he would sell guns to convicted felons.

Mitt Romney stated in plain English "I think children should able to own guns." Of course he was a CEO when he said that, but do you really think his core views have changed?

There are a lot of people in government who would sell guns to anyone if they could.

^^^^
Since we've crossed the line into "just making sh#t up" territory - why not?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
So the coming from behind sucker punch is questionable to say the least.

And you question my comprehension this morning? WTF?

I do not know what caused his irritations.

Whatever it was, it doesn't justify his actions. This is EXACTLY why background checks need to be stricter. My guess is, if you are willing to walk up and sucker punch someone in the back of the head for "cutting you off" you have issues with controlling your temper... probably documented elsewhere. Obviously those kind of people should not have guns.


Ive seen young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

Here's another one of your quotes that I find fitting...

yu guys are quite the judge and jury...Thankfully your NOT on that business.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
You know what the difference between me an you is wes? I have LEO EXPERINECE..(100% conviction record taboot)..

Yes, that man, if he did have a ccw permit, should have it revolked. Without knowing the circumstances i could draw no other conclusions. If hes convicted of a felony then his arms should be taken.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
That is the least of the difference.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
u got that right sonny...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
LEO:


LEO:


LEO:
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/agawam-woman-accidentally-shot-by-police


Without cameras those (and many others) would have been reported differently. Clearly the LEOs in those cases would have maintained their clear records... it would have been "justified."

As would the road rage video in question, and Zimmerman, etc. People like you would have fallen back on the position that:

young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

The as#@&%e rager and his wife would have concocted a different story (which I assume they were already doing between 1:00 when it happened and 4:00 when they finally got around to "turning themselves in.")

Cameras are small and cheap these days, which is why this kind of unacceptable behavior is being punished more and more.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
is this where i post fifty links to good actions by LEOs or CCW holders?

Yeah wes humans are humans no matter the uniform. There WILL BE bad ones in the orchard.

And yet far more GOOD is done by CCW holders here than not. Even using minimum figures.

Just like a lake, going through long term changes, so does the gun issue.
We started to get away from them in the latter 1800s with the first gun control, and crime began to rise. It rose until the gun issue became prevelant, and has been dropping for various reasons in the last decade or so, and one of those is most definitly CCW holders as proven by even minmimum figures acoording to wikipedia. Just like that gun show line i stood in for an hour and a half, it was the MOST polite bunch of folks i ever encountered in such a line. Ive been to concerts that were utter mayhem in comparison.

Why do you think gun stores are never targeted for robbery while open to business? Only a fool would try that right?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
is this where i post fifty links to good actions by LEOs or CCW holders?

No, that would be stupid. We all know there are plenty of good cops and CCW holders out there.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
LOL Kelly's straw purchase rejected.

The store, Diamondback Police Supply in Tucson has now rejected Kelly’s March 5th purchase, and has sent him a full refund. The decision was announced on the company’s Facebook page, in a post from the Diamondback’s owner/president Douglas MacKinley:


“While I support and respect Mark Kelly’s 2nd Amendment rights to purchase, possess, and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner, his recent statements to the media made it clear that his intent in purchasing the Sig Sauer M400 5.56mm rifle from us was for reasons other then for his personal use. In light of this fact, I determined that it was in my company’s best interest to terminate this transaction prior to his returning to my store to complete the Federal From 4473 and NICS background check required of Mr. Kelly before he could take possession this firearm. A full refund was sent to Mr. Kelly, via express mail, on Thursday of last week.”


.

If you were wondering why it took so long for the transaction to be completed, the delay was due to a local regulation that requires a 20-day waiting period for private gun purchases. The rifle Kelly selected was a used weapon and that kind of transaction is treated as a private sale and the 20-day wait applied. Mark Kelly had not returned to pick up the gun.

Diamondback Police Supply has also announced that the rifle Kelly selected will be donated to the Arizona Tactical Officers Association (ATO), to be raffled off to raise funds for the group. ATO raises money to purchase much-needed equipment for SWAT teams. MacKinley also said that his company will make a $1295 (the price of the rifle) donation to the NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program.

Mark Kelly’s representatives have not responded to requests for comments on the rejected purchase of the AR-15 style rifle.

I guess it wasn't so easy for him to purchase an "assault" rifle after all!

It's a good thing too.

That bunch is dangerous when armed with puppies.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/03/25/gabrielle-giffords-husband-pulls-daughters-dog-off-sea-lion-in-laguna-beach/
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Ron, it just occurred to me... you are right... after 30 seconds of video where the gun carrier is clearly the aggressor and punches the other driver in the back of the head, we just can't be sure what really happened... you just never know.

But, from the following statement:
Larry: Evidently a 22 year old Salt Lake local died after attempting the Corona Arch rope swing with too long a rope. That's the second death out here in a week due to rigging failure.

we can clearly conclude:
Ron: They want instant gratification but forget the knowledge and dues part.


The other day in the bar a friend told me I was being a dick to you. I agreed. He asked why. I said because you deserved it... but I promised to mellow out a little. I still think you deserve it... maybe not as much as hedge lays it on you... but still.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
He decked from a simple often done swing. Ill stand by that statement.
But what that has to do with a gun debate thread is beyond me.

Why is it you target me with such nonsense and insults. Take a hint wes, you DIDNT see me on yur trail thread giving you a shot did ya...Style is also a major diff between you and i.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
He decked from a simple often done swing. Ill stand by that statement.

Point is, you stand by that statement based on NO INFORMATION... yet can't conclude from a video of a sucker punch that the aggressor was in the wrong.

But what that has to do with a gun debate thread is beyond me.

It has to do with your biased processing of information and obstinance backed by nothing but ignorant opinion.

Why is it you target me with such nonsense and insults.

Because you often regurgitate sh#t from right-wing blog sites, fail to critically evaluate anything, and/or display a glaring lack of consistency in judgement. As demonstrated with the rope swing, sucker punch, etc.

Take a hint wes, you DIDNT see me on yur trail thread giving you a shot did ya...

I don't see why not. If you had something funny or relevant to say, it wouldn't bother me a bit. And as far as I recall I don't post on any of your threads. But that doesn't mean I can't call you out on your bullshit on other threads. You click here and post sh#t, it is my right to give my opinion of that sh#t.

FWIW, you know exactly where the rope swing discussion could have gone, but it didn't because I may be a dick... but I'm not that big of a dick. I think people should be able to take whatever risks they want, and who am I to judge them as long as it doesn't affect me? Who am I to conclude he wanted instant gratification and assume he had not paid his dues?

Style is also a major diff between you and i.

Right.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
as i recall, i had to fry a thread of mine due to two posters on here. Care to guess who they were? It was a climbing thread as well. Something seldom seen originating from the same two posters.

Now, back to guns..

Another diff between you and i, is that every time i ever had a gun pulled on me, i was 100% in the right. While you admitted that you were in the wrong. This certainly affects your opinions, im sure.



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Should have been denied a dog licence as well

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
as i recall, i had to fry a thread of mine due to two posters on here. Care to guess who they were?

Someone other than me.
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