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dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Apr 10, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
I was more in agreement with the getting the kids outside thing, let nature teach you some things, those outdoor programs for troubled youth seam to make sense and work.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 10, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
But Jeff Weise did. He played thousands of first-person shooter hours before he shot and killed nine people at and near his Red Lake, Minn., school, before killing himself.

And according to neighbors and friends, Clackamas shooter Jacob Tyler Roberts played a lot of video games before he armed himself with a semi-automatic AR-15 and went on a rampage at the Clackamas Town Center in Portland, Oregon last week.

Also, by now, it is common knowledge that Adam Lanza, who murdered 20 children and six women in video-game style, spent many, many hours playing “Call of Duty.” In essence, Lanza – and all of these shooters – practiced on-screen to prepare for shooting in real-life.

Now I am not anti-video game crusader Jack Thompson. I’m not suggesting that everyone who plays a video game will act out that video game in reality. But I am saying that it is very dangerous to allow troubled, angry, teenage boys access to killing practice, even if that access is only virtual killing practice. The military uses video games to train soldiers to kill, yet we don’t consider “Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3″ training for addicted teenage players? A high school boy who plays that game 30 hours per week isn’t training to kill somebody?
I am not surprised that school shooters love violent video games. As an angry, troubled teen, I would’ve probably loved to shoot hundreds of people on-screen. That might’ve felt nice.
But now, as a teacher, I worry about my most troubled male students playing games like “Halo 4″ and “Assassin’s Creed 3,” bragging about violent actions that they’ve never done in the real world. A scrawny, angry boy’s who’s failing socially is a scary video game addict.
I was walking behind two teenage boys in the hall at my high school the other day and I heard one talking about slitting someone’s throat. He said, “I just came up behind him, pulled out my knife so quietly and cut his throat.”

wow, I had no idea all of those mass murders were related to brutal video games


easy access to assault weapons plus isolated young white males plus video games EQUALS ......


but most importantly, we should continue to make assault weapons real easy to get ahold of

the NRA is OPPOSED to more background checks

yet 45,000 "bad guys" were prevented from buying guns last year because of background checks

yet the NRA is opposed to expanding what clearly "works", background checks


someone please, defend the NRA on this one, help me understand
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
I think the NRA is currently being exposed as the nutjob/ pro-criminal organization that it actually is. The Obama administration seems to be confronting it head on, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Gun manufacturers, the number 1 supports of the NRA and master of the frightened sheeple, would go out of business without crime resulting from easy access to firearms and the subsequently perceived necessity for self-defense.

They LOVE mass shootings... people realize just how easy it is for HOMICIDAL MANIACS to get guns LEGALLY and call for tighter restrictions on gun sales (which has NOTHING to do with the 2nd amendment)... that puts gun nuts in a frenzy about tyrannical governments, impending shootouts in their driveways, etc... which leads to stockpiling ammo and guns... and Gun Corps rake in massive profits.

Once the hysteria dies down, they are left to lobbying for loopholes that will allow the streets to be flooded with guns... making straw purchases easy with very light consequences (couple years incarceration at most). Of course nobody in their right mind would object to harsher penalties for straw-purchasers... which is how we know the NRA (=GUN MANUFACTURERS) ARE FUKING NUTS.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 10, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Wow. I,d have thouit you dudes would welcome a study on the possible corrolation between simulated violence and atual violence, especially when questioned by a dude who openly admits to having been close to being a mass murderer. Instead its the same old rhetoric.
Where,s the open-mindedness and fact-finding desire we,re suppose to have?

Granted, the dude,s a statistical minority, but then so are the mass murderers when compared to the majority of responsible gun owners.

As to the NRA, well they,ve got their heads up their ass.

If you keep doggedly pointing at guns and their easy availability as the root cause then you,re band-aiding the whole violent crime issue and you really need to dig a little deeper.

Lets say we ban ALL the semi-auto hi-cap guns, hell, round em up and destroy em. How long til you call for the revolvers and the pump guns? Cause you have to KNOW that all ynu,d have done was slow down the murder rate by some statistically insignificant amount by taking the scary guns.

And another thing- saying gun mfgrs and NRA are pro-criminal armament, well, is like calling Obama a closet muslim, but i guess there,s enough empirical evidence for both, eh?

Take a look around, some of you same sane people calling for tighter gun regulations are the same saying that climbing closures aren,t realistic either. Take a look around you, check the threads like NRA bolt chop thread at lake mead, to name one. It,s easy to see why people get worked up when the people in charge so often seem SO clueless, be it guns, climbing, or whatever the hot-button issue may be. As often as not what we end up with is some overly restrictive garbage that either doesn,t work, or consequently serves as a blanket-ban that takes years of dedicated work to even come clore to a tenuous reparation, at best. No wonder the "gun nuts" get their panties in a bunch. But hey, at least it aint a bolt war.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 10, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Interesting. I'm not convinced...

I found it interesting, yet remain unconvinced. How is that unwelcoming?

Where,s the open-mindedness and fact-finding desire we,re suppose to have?

Waiting for applicable studies?


Note: no references = unsupported opinion... that goes for me as well as everyone else.


And another thing- saying gun mfgrs and NRA are pro-criminal armament, well, is like calling Obama a closet muslim, but i guess there,s enough empirical evidence for both, eh?

Except that when Muslims threaten the security and safety of Merkins Obama does not suggest we all convert... he imposes sanctions or just kills them with his drones. When gun companies see gun violence threatening the security and safety of Merkins they call for... yep... MORE GUNS... really, it is the only sane answer, right?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 10, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
yeah, recognize that,s not a study. no reason to blast the whole theory.

gun co,s sell based on more than just self defnce.

obama comment was tongue-in-cheek.
geezus.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 10, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
If you keep doggedly pointing at guns and their easy availability as the root cause then you,re band-aiding the whole violent crime issue and you really need to dig a little deeper.


hilltop, no one here is saying that ONLY stressing the availability of guns is THE root cause

wherever did you get that idea, I have not read that from any posting this entire thread

everyone, literally everyone, has pointed out many many "other" contributing factors

we here are not as naive and single minded as you obviously think we are

but then you are pretty new to this thread, so likely you missed all those posts
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 10, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
yeah. i overgeneralized.

there are, however, plenty of people who think banning is THE SHIZNIT. oh well. i was around at the beginning, then left, then returned, got disgusted and left, now here i am.

made my point. probly ouita sit in the corner awhile again, try to get out and flail some 4th class instead.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Apr 10, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
It may not even be clear that there is s consistent correlation between rates of gun ownership and violent deaths/suicides, according to this Harvard study:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Some interesting statistics in that study. I was able to bring up the entire article with that link.


Nevertheless, the bur‐
den of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal
more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, espe‐
cially since they argue public policy ought to be based on
that mantra.149 To bear that burden would at the very least
require showing that a large number of nations with more
guns have more death and that nations that have imposed
stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions
in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are
not observed when a large number of nations are compared
across the world.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 10, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
there are, however, plenty of people who think banning is THE SHIZNIT.


many?


I know of only ONE person posting here who calls for any new "banning" and that is Joe Hedge.

Mechrist does not, and neither do I, and all we are calling for is some reasonable stuff like greatly expanded penalties for straw buyers and expanded background checks, mostly.

So WHO are these "many? people on this thread calling for actually banning guns?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 10, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Nah hillrat, it is good to have a reasonable gun owner in the mix. And FWIW, almost everything I say is tongue in cheek and I take nothing here (meaning Earth) seriously... if your reaction is "geezus" that was probably the reaction I was going for.

I'd invite you up to enjoy the beautiful weather, but I only boulder these days and won't be around long. Maybe this summer... crawdad boil!!


SERIOUSLY THOUGH... 1-2 years in prison for straw purchasers??? Who in their right mind opposes stricter penalties (NRA me thinks)? You get more than that for growing a few pot plants in most states.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Apr 10, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
The sector of gun violence these laws they're asking for are aimed at trying to make it difficult for one individual with a large capacity magazine and a assault rifle to easily spray down 20-40 victims in a heartbeat.


Heavy snow and ice so we went home for the week and have 2 ft here. lol




Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 11, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
hi guys, just checking in

why is Ron upset with Dr F?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
Yeah, pretty funny how quickly they deny any correlation between their male inadequacy and their gun fetish when it comes from the left... but have no complaints when a gun company runs an ad like that. Doesn't Snatchmaster have a whole line of ads regarding a "man card"... indicating at least some gun nuts require validation of their manhood?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 11, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
damn!

bushmaster has a LOT of different manly ads to sell their stuff

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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
whats funny is that Ron thinks Fema death camps are real ..GUFFAW!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 11, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Well, you are not alone in your gullibility.

The kooky left thought Bush was operating 'detention centers' in the US for citizens now the kooky right thinks the same of Obama.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Here's a handy little map showing all the 'concentration camps' in the US.

US concentration camps

It even lists some from your Nevada list, word for word. SNORTL!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 11, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
We need to ban cell phones!

http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/22036/hacker-uses-android-remotely-attack-and-hijack-airplane
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