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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
That is the least of the difference.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
u got that right sonny...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
LEO:


LEO:


LEO:
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/agawam-woman-accidentally-shot-by-police


Without cameras those (and many others) would have been reported differently. Clearly the LEOs in those cases would have maintained their clear records... it would have been "justified."

As would the road rage video in question, and Zimmerman, etc. People like you would have fallen back on the position that:

young folks just like those two pull crap on the roads they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

The as#@&%e rager and his wife would have concocted a different story (which I assume they were already doing between 1:00 when it happened and 4:00 when they finally got around to "turning themselves in.")

Cameras are small and cheap these days, which is why this kind of unacceptable behavior is being punished more and more.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
is this where i post fifty links to good actions by LEOs or CCW holders?

Yeah wes humans are humans no matter the uniform. There WILL BE bad ones in the orchard.

And yet far more GOOD is done by CCW holders here than not. Even using minimum figures.

Just like a lake, going through long term changes, so does the gun issue.
We started to get away from them in the latter 1800s with the first gun control, and crime began to rise. It rose until the gun issue became prevelant, and has been dropping for various reasons in the last decade or so, and one of those is most definitly CCW holders as proven by even minmimum figures acoording to wikipedia. Just like that gun show line i stood in for an hour and a half, it was the MOST polite bunch of folks i ever encountered in such a line. Ive been to concerts that were utter mayhem in comparison.

Why do you think gun stores are never targeted for robbery while open to business? Only a fool would try that right?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
is this where i post fifty links to good actions by LEOs or CCW holders?

No, that would be stupid. We all know there are plenty of good cops and CCW holders out there.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
LOL Kelly's straw purchase rejected.

The store, Diamondback Police Supply in Tucson has now rejected Kelly’s March 5th purchase, and has sent him a full refund. The decision was announced on the company’s Facebook page, in a post from the Diamondback’s owner/president Douglas MacKinley:


“While I support and respect Mark Kelly’s 2nd Amendment rights to purchase, possess, and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner, his recent statements to the media made it clear that his intent in purchasing the Sig Sauer M400 5.56mm rifle from us was for reasons other then for his personal use. In light of this fact, I determined that it was in my company’s best interest to terminate this transaction prior to his returning to my store to complete the Federal From 4473 and NICS background check required of Mr. Kelly before he could take possession this firearm. A full refund was sent to Mr. Kelly, via express mail, on Thursday of last week.”


.

If you were wondering why it took so long for the transaction to be completed, the delay was due to a local regulation that requires a 20-day waiting period for private gun purchases. The rifle Kelly selected was a used weapon and that kind of transaction is treated as a private sale and the 20-day wait applied. Mark Kelly had not returned to pick up the gun.

Diamondback Police Supply has also announced that the rifle Kelly selected will be donated to the Arizona Tactical Officers Association (ATO), to be raffled off to raise funds for the group. ATO raises money to purchase much-needed equipment for SWAT teams. MacKinley also said that his company will make a $1295 (the price of the rifle) donation to the NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program.

Mark Kelly’s representatives have not responded to requests for comments on the rejected purchase of the AR-15 style rifle.

I guess it wasn't so easy for him to purchase an "assault" rifle after all!

It's a good thing too.

That bunch is dangerous when armed with puppies.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/03/25/gabrielle-giffords-husband-pulls-daughters-dog-off-sea-lion-in-laguna-beach/
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Ron, it just occurred to me... you are right... after 30 seconds of video where the gun carrier is clearly the aggressor and punches the other driver in the back of the head, we just can't be sure what really happened... you just never know.

But, from the following statement:
Larry: Evidently a 22 year old Salt Lake local died after attempting the Corona Arch rope swing with too long a rope. That's the second death out here in a week due to rigging failure.

we can clearly conclude:
Ron: They want instant gratification but forget the knowledge and dues part.


The other day in the bar a friend told me I was being a dick to you. I agreed. He asked why. I said because you deserved it... but I promised to mellow out a little. I still think you deserve it... maybe not as much as hedge lays it on you... but still.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
He decked from a simple often done swing. Ill stand by that statement.
But what that has to do with a gun debate thread is beyond me.

Why is it you target me with such nonsense and insults. Take a hint wes, you DIDNT see me on yur trail thread giving you a shot did ya...Style is also a major diff between you and i.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
He decked from a simple often done swing. Ill stand by that statement.

Point is, you stand by that statement based on NO INFORMATION... yet can't conclude from a video of a sucker punch that the aggressor was in the wrong.

But what that has to do with a gun debate thread is beyond me.

It has to do with your biased processing of information and obstinance backed by nothing but ignorant opinion.

Why is it you target me with such nonsense and insults.

Because you often regurgitate sh#t from right-wing blog sites, fail to critically evaluate anything, and/or display a glaring lack of consistency in judgement. As demonstrated with the rope swing, sucker punch, etc.

Take a hint wes, you DIDNT see me on yur trail thread giving you a shot did ya...

I don't see why not. If you had something funny or relevant to say, it wouldn't bother me a bit. And as far as I recall I don't post on any of your threads. But that doesn't mean I can't call you out on your bullshit on other threads. You click here and post sh#t, it is my right to give my opinion of that sh#t.

FWIW, you know exactly where the rope swing discussion could have gone, but it didn't because I may be a dick... but I'm not that big of a dick. I think people should be able to take whatever risks they want, and who am I to judge them as long as it doesn't affect me? Who am I to conclude he wanted instant gratification and assume he had not paid his dues?

Style is also a major diff between you and i.

Right.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
as i recall, i had to fry a thread of mine due to two posters on here. Care to guess who they were? It was a climbing thread as well. Something seldom seen originating from the same two posters.

Now, back to guns..

Another diff between you and i, is that every time i ever had a gun pulled on me, i was 100% in the right. While you admitted that you were in the wrong. This certainly affects your opinions, im sure.



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Should have been denied a dog licence as well

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
as i recall, i had to fry a thread of mine due to two posters on here. Care to guess who they were?

Someone other than me.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
owwwnooo,, it was you and hedgeworm. I then put up a post telling the two to stay off my threads..Its there in cyberland. I no longer even respond to that other wad in any way shape or form..

Heres the rub,, i see in you what i saw in many i met or worked with in my times of land stewardship. I see a caring and involvment which is why i initially engaged in some dialogue with you. But having had that thrown so quickly back with insulting manner, i withdrew from anything of substance... I was involved with many things that directly affect the goings on here or the lack there of and would have been happy to dive into details regarding the history of the area in dealing with flora and fuana. At least as much as i was privy to. But that has gone away and i now endure the endless snarks to which i recieve MANY emails from other users here commending me for that effort. sad that it has degenerated to this. Granted one does not always like every body- and i certainly am no different.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Dang TGT,, seems mr Hypocrite is really giving a black eye to the atronaut club. Too bad a ccw holder wasnt around,, one bull dog into the surf it woulda been.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
I assume you mean the Tahoe Lobster thread? Well, when you are wrong you are wrong. And when you think you are right, contrary to peer reviewed scientific studies, just because you have fished in tournaments... well, what more can I say?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
What good are tough dog laws in California if some dumbshit like Giffords-Kelly can bring his military-style assault-beast here from out-of-state, and use it to raise holy hell on our beaches?

It's all about personal responsibility, and Giffords-Kely displayed the lack of theirs.

No wonder he's all in favor of more bigger gun control. He probably thinks we are all as irresponsible as his family.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Wes,,your demeaning attitude will never change. you may converse with hedge worm from now on..


and Chaz,, first he speaks for gun control, then he tries to buy ARs and such.. Now he brings his assualt beast to the public beach to run willy nilly. I see a natl lampoon movie springing from this!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
I don't know, from that short video it is hard to tell... Ive seen young sea lions just like that one pull crap on the beaches they most DEFINITLY should have been punished for.

Besides, the dog ain't even his. He wasn't even around when it happened.

Police say the dog broke from its leash, and no laws were broken.

That is why you all get called idiots.



As Ron said:

But what that has to do with a gun debate thread is beyond me.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
Well!

What this has to do with a gun thread is this:

Gabriella Giffords was shot in the head and numerous bystanders were also shot and killed.

The Giffords own a dog.

The dog and Mr. Gifford were walking on a beach, the dog was properly leached, the dog saw a seal and being a dog bolted and ripped the leach out of Mr. Gifford's hand and attacked the seal.

Mr. Giffords, a gun owner himself as is his shot in the head wife, has recently chosen to highlight how easy it is to buy an assault weapon at a gun store and because someone is afraid that if Mr. Gifford might maybe be successful in somehow influencing legislation to include a ban on assault weapons then some people who want to buy assault weapons will not be able to do so.

This possibility, no matter how incredibly far fetched, pisses off some people and those people then decide to take out their anger at Mr. Gifford by saying he was irresponsible as a dog owner

Because they themselves would never ever walk a dog on a beach without first wrapping the leash multiple times around their wrist to make sure the dog could in no way get loose.

And that is what a man walking his dog on a beach has to do with a gun thread.



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Norton, you are wrong. Now don't get all upset and accuse me of being a stalker, etc... but I'm pretty sure it was the daughter who was walking the dog.
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