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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
from a 30 second vid??? No....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
The guy, having a ccw permit broke about every guidline for that permit. His actions do not represent the millions of CCW holders out there.

true

but how did you know he had a CCL?

I didn't see anything in the video to indicate that, but I did not have the sound on, did he say that?

was there some news reporting afterward or something?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Really, Anderson. If you were shown that video, each side claiming to be innocent, you couldn't form an opinion?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
just making an assumption Norton,, from all of 30 seconds of video..Im talking about CCW holders.



And Mono,, ho i couldnt decide squat from a 30 secnd vid like that. Anyone saying they can jumps to conclusions.

What i DID say is that the man with the gun violated ALL policy regarding the use of a concealed weapon..I have NO idea what caused that situation to begin with. You CAN threaten someone on the roadways by driving like idiots,, as a car is quite equal to the dangers of a gun.

But he should have NEVER pulled a weapon- as it seems he did start the physical acts. He should have NEVER shot a warning round either.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
mag capacitys have little or nothing to do with anything.. 1.5 seconds per reload of a mag, that is ALL.

They appear to help slaughter innocent children when psychos get a hold of them. But, since they have little or nothing to do with anything, why would you be opposed to limiting mag capacity?

None of the thousands of gun owners i know have ever sold a gun to someone who couodnt have one legally.

You know thousands of people well enough to say, with absolute certainty, that they have never sold a gun to someone who couldn't have one legally? Would you be willing to testify on their behalf in the event they were accused of such an action?

Back ground checks and state run agencies have been doing a good job of denials- this happens frequently..Keeping arms away from the criminal element is a GOOD idea. However, the crminal element does not follow this logic at all.

It has been well established where most guns used in crimes come from. They don't come from Mexico, China, or Canada. They come from gun shops in the good ol USA.

The criminal element follows the logic of the system very effectively. Someone with a clean record who is willing to buy a gun a month and sell it can make bank.

How many of those thousands of gun owners you know buy 12 new guns a year?




just making an assumption

as always


He should have NEVER shot a warning round either.

Warning shot...hahahaaaaa... if he did shoot, it was purely by ACCIDENT as he was holding the gun in both hands (0:19). But I don't think he did... sounded more like a car door slamming to me, but I'm no gun expert....hahahahahaaaaa



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57576310/road-rage-video-leads-to-n.c-couples-arrest/


This just in:
"The two men stop the beating when Turner's wife, Christy Marie Turner, exits their vehicle with a gun and hands it to her husband, who then allegedly fired shots into the other car. The shooting was not caught on tape."
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
Well Ron,

a LOT more people carry guns than have a CCL for them

here in New Mexico we have open carry law

but that guy pulled it ouf from under his jacket or shirt

so I can see why you might guess he had a CCL to carry concealed legally

but I sure wouldn't assume it
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
nobody ever answers my questions..


NOW MANY TIMES per year does a ccw holder thwart a crime.??
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
How many guns do you buy a year ron?


A woman then calmly walks out of the SUV and gives the man a pistol. He points it at the men who beat them up, who hurry into the pickup and drive away as the man fires several shots.

As monolith pointed out, without the video this would have been one of the many cases where a CCW was reported to have thwarted a crime.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
NOW MANY TIMES per year does a ccw holder thwart a crime.??


I suppose there is no way for sure to know but my guess is quite a few times

but no one here is talking about taking guns away from CCW holders

in fact other than Joe Hedge, no one is talking about confiscating any guns at all
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
EXACTLY what Norton said.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
I havent bought a gun this year..

I can barely afford ammo right now..




According to FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), in 2011 there were 12,664 murders and 653 justifiable homicides (of which 393 were performed by law enforcement) in the United States. Over previous years this reflects a decline in criminal homicide and an increase in homicides reported as justifiable (for 2008 UCR listed 14,180 murders, 616 justifiable homicides (of which 371 were by law enforcement). The UCR states that the justifiable homicide statistic does not represent eventual adjudication by medical examiner, coroner, district attorney, grand jury, trial jury or appellate court.[102] Few US jurisdictions allow a police crime report to adjudicate a homicide as justifiable and in any given year fifteen to twenty states do not report such statistics to FBI UCR, resulting in an undercount in the UCR table. The vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) do not involve killing or wounding an attacker, with government surveys showing 108,000 (NCVS) to 23 million (raw NSPOF) DGUs per year,[103] with ten private national surveys showing 764,000 to 3.6 million DGU per year.[104]
[edit]Politics
WBraun

climber
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
I need to buy a gun.

I'm afraid of these anti-gun nuts.

They might do something .......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
up to 23 million times a year,, a gun thwarts a crime, mostly without being fired..That is impressive.


could it be,, that this directly reflects the drop in crime/homicides?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
but no one here is talking about taking guns away from CCW holders

in fact other than Joe Hedge, no one is talking about confiscating any guns at all

You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

Sen Dianne Feinstein stated very clearly just last year that if she thought she could get the votes she would take away all the guns.

Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns." Of course he was a law professor when he said that, but do you really think his core views have changed?

There are a lot of people in government who would confiscate all the guns in public hands if they could.

frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Beware of the man with only eight rounds....He may be scared enough to make them count!...M1 Garand..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Indeed Ksolem.. What is ironic is that those who attempt to destroy the second amendment due to "caring for people" are the ones that have done the most harm to said people.

They will ignore the facts that 23 million times a year, gun owners thwart crimes. So they are willing to trade those impressive stats for a FAR lesser number of homicides or killings. And that makes sense to those types. I suppose they would trade 10 dollar bills for fives, and think they got the good deal too.


edit: GUD one Frank!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
The vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) do not involve killing or wounding an attacker, with government surveys showing 108,000 (NCVS) to 23 million (raw NSPOF) DGUs per year, with ten private national surveys showing 764,000 to 3.6 million DGU per year.

Average government estimate of DGUs: 12 million, +/- 11 million

Average private estimates of DGUs: 2.2 million, +/- 1.4 million

I know you aren't much for statistics, but in general, if your uncertainty is close to your estimate, you might want to be a little cautious about the conclusions you draw from your data.

How many of those were similar to the video posted above, but not caught on video? You saw the video and you still couldn't decide if the gun owner was in the wRong.

up to 23 million times a year

Or as low as 108,000



Barack Obama stated in plain English "I don't think that people should be able to own guns."

Reference needed for direct quotes attributed to others.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
what ever the actuals,, they are still FAR greater than homicide/shootings per year..

And those good people who did thwart those crimes will not forget having to draw their weapon..They may have done it to protect those they didnt even know- and those actions have thier price. Once youve been there the world isnt the same.


edit: Wes,, youve no comprehension this am er whut? I already stated that gun owner was in the wrong.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
You might be being naive about some of the anti gun rights people.

wrong

my statement stands: No one here, other than Joe hedge, is talking about taking any guns away



reading carefully is important


on, and "core values"?

gee, it is almost countless the number of times the guy you voted for has changed his mind
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 26, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Monolith:
You couldn't decide for yourself unless he was charged?

Ron:
from a 30 second vid??? No....

Hence:
You saw the video and you still couldn't decide if the gun owner was in the wRong.


George Zimmerman thwarted a crime with his gun, right? The only problem is that over zealous neighborhood watchman made the mistake of calling the police BEFORE shooting Trayvon. The whole thing would have been an open and shut case... except for the audio recording.

Seems like when there is an audio/video record of one of these "thwartings," the lawful gun carrier often comes out looking pretty bad. I'm not saying all the time, but often.
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