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xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Apr 9, 2013 - 07:44am PT
Hedge,
Noone wants to relinquish any of our rights. Once they are gone, they are gone.

Also it seems very apparent noone wants unjustified deaths. Pretty simple really.

Burly Bob
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 9, 2013 - 08:00am PT
I want to be able to grocery shop with a machine gun just in case some wing-nut pulls a glock in the 15 and under line when he forgets his Vons card and snaps...
saghi

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 09:38am PT
How do we get our gun deaths down to the level of the other developed industrialized democracies, comparable to ours, without outlawing them, as they all have done

Yet another subject no one will touch with or without a ten foot pole

I've answered you twice already, I think. Maybe just once....

Do something about the people pulling the trigger! If you did that, a lot more problems would be solved than just the murder problem.

If you think the government has our best interest in mind, you are foolish.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:48am PT
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-75265544/?related=true

hmm... didnt mention guns...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:05am PT
This should clear it up for you hillrat...

They asked 100 Australian women...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/03/us-usa-guns-australia-idUSBRE9320C720130403


I know what you are thinking, that is a pretty short time to see the effects of natural selection. But it can happen. And evolutionary trends can exceed ideal conditions, from what I've been told.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:17am PT
i get a response error, much like my dating attempts in high school.

where did Ron go? that was a nice palin pic. need somethin else to brighten up the mornin.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:32am PT
haha, we both know the lizard gets eaten alive, despite its best efforts. Why fight so hard against the inevitable? Why not expand your world view and accept what is best for everyone? Stupid American.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:51am PT
its all about timing, and exceptions to every rule.
NY did a stupid thing.
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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 9, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
thats fine with me to force them on the black market. no reason to allow them legal sales. then, hopefully leos can follow up and take down the straw purchaser or gun runner too.
Dover

Trad climber
New England
Apr 9, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
and people who own guns being required to know how to use them

Since when has this been a problem. They are fairly simple to operate.

Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlnYYrbPCHU
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
no reason to allow them legal sales. then, hopefully leos can follow up and take down the straw purchaser or gun runner too.

Exactly hillrat.

Why continue to make it so fuking easy for straw purchasers to flood the streets with guns? Or crazy people to amass an arsenal? There is NO reason, other than mild inconvenience, for any sane gun owner to resist stricter legislation on gun sales. Who would seriously be inconvenienced if the limit was changed from 1 gun purchases a month (CA) to something more reasonable? Or a cross-referenced list of suspected criminal activity (gang membership), prescription drugs, and crazy rants on the internet?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
hmmm, tell me again where gun sales and purchases are protected in the constitution... or access to federal lands for that matter.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 9, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
(crazy gunban rant)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
They haven been doing a very good job for well over a decade now.

hmmm, probably gone to sh#t ever since you left, eh Ron?

They've been doing a FAR better job than if it had been left to the public.


Would YOU go shooting with biden?

Dunno... has HE shot anyone in the face lately?

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
And yes, I would go shooting with Biden

I'd feel safer with Cheney. The 28 gauge Perazzi he used was a pea shooter compared to the double barrel 12 gauge that Biden advises we blast away with at nothing in particular.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
It's a pretty simple choice really. You have two idiot VPs, one who's heart is so frail he dare not shoot anything bigger than the smallest shotgun lots of money can buy, and the other who says you should run out on your veranda and blast away with a 12 gauge at the first sign of trouble...

If Biden had been hunting birds in a box that day it likely would have been a closed casket funeral.

Yeah call me crazy...
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 9, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
you know, people might start taking the v.p,s advice. when it comes around to court and prosecution it,ll become known as the biden defense.

mark my words, if repubs get smart and put up some fairly intelligent, moderate candidates instead of these tea party sweethearts theyve been running, and especially if dems get overconfident by putting hillary on the ticket, we,ll be looking at a fundamental political shift.

now if you dont think a conservative run electorate wouldnt clamp down on guns under the right circumstance, then you havent been paying attention. read- patriot act.

in the end, its not going to matter much who,s in control, its going to matter how the lower courts interpret thelatest supreme court ruling that stipulates an individual right with reasonable restrictions. thats what its about, thats where the debate lies. what is reasonable.

i doubt we,ll see much action on a fed level. individual states are where the actions at. watch, and see what happens. sup court probably wont look at the issue again, unless something of signifcant difference arises.

hedge can cry all he wants, the second isnt going anywhere soon.
sorry ron, but same for you. SOME new laws are coming, and its eventually going to play out at the state level, in district court. lets all hope the courts are more intelligent than this thread.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
It was pointed out that this (http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1883519&msg=2110826#msg2110826); may have been Bridwell.

Hope we (I) didn't piss him away. Saw a slide show with some friends who were talking him up after the show. Seemed like a good guy with some sense of humor.

Sure hope he decides to contribute to more than the gun debate shitbox.


(also, I had a dream with Ron Anderson in it. He had a heavy Scandinavian accent, ranting about hunting bears and wanting to stuff them.)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 9, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Ron, wtf are you talking about? Go stuff a bear.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 9, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Somehow I am unable to come up with any unacceptable outcome resulting from Joe Biden going hunting in heavy brush with Dick Cheney.
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