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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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in the preamble it reads:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
the power to do so, quite explicitly, comes from the People...
and notice the order of the established principles:
1) form a more perfect Union,
2) establish Justice,
3) insure domestic Tranquility,
4) provide for the common defence,
5) promote the general Welfare, and
6) secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
though that may be reading it a bit too literally... and who does that?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Interesting Kos. It seems like if the founding fathers REALLY were Christian and REALLY wanted a Christian nation they would have mentioned the Christian god, or at least Christianity, in AT LEAST ONE of the early LAWS that govern this nation.
Maybe this is just another case of the liberal "War Against Christianity?" Maybe a conspiracy? We should ask Glenn Beck.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Gee, what a question TGT
It must be awful to be proven so wrong, over and over:
1) The state with the absolute most lenient gun laws, Alaska, is also the state with the most deaths by firearms, and by the way, those deaths are NOT "hunting accidents" relatively speaking so much as outright murder, accidental killings, and of course suicide by gun
2) the State with the very toughest gun laws, Massachusetts, is also the state with the absolute lowest rate of deaths by firearms
by the way, TGT, don't think it is only the states at both extremes that blow your "theory" to smithereens, the breakdown for every state very clearly follows the same, but lets assume your are mature enough to take a minute and actually look it up prior to proving yourself wrong, but most of us know better and won't hold our breath waiting on you.........
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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TGT likes to focus on Chicago, but there are 15 large cities with higher murder rates. Quite a few of these in the conservative, gun luvin, south, like Atlanta, Kansas City, Miami, Memphis, New Orleans, St Louis(twice the murder rate of Chicago).
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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declaration of independence: "all men are created equal...ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights..."
i understand your confusion since you apparently believe government created everything and, apparently, share f's enthusiasm for a government that can take away all your rights
i never claimed god is in the constitution, only that the constitution was written to protect, FROM THE GOVERNMENT, our right to worship, speak, and bear arms
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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ah, come on... that's just good clean Merkin fun.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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i understand your confusion since you apparently believe government created everything
you've still got it wrong, The People constituted the government
I understand that may still be too relative for you, but it is an important point... it's a consensus building process, not something absolute.
The People could decide to re-write the Constitution, too, there's nothing which prevents it from happening, no provision that says it cannot happen, and at least some of the authors of the current Constitution thought it should be re-written every couple of decades or so...
The Constitution replaces the Articles of Confederation, which was the initial effort to constitute a US Government, BY THE PEOPLE, which found that document to be inadequate to the task.
Why not re-write it again, in a modern context, and remove the confusion over what the "intent of the founders" was... their intent is in the preamble that I quoted above... and if what they wrote doesn't address the those "intents" in terms of contemporary issues then perhaps it's time to re-write it so that does.
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jstan
climber
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May 10, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
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The National Rifle Association is holding its 142nd annual meeting in downtown Houston this weekend. Here are the scheduled events:
FRIDAY, May 3
12 p.m.: Welcoming introduction video from President Obama
12:30 p.m.: Security forced to hold back squealing teenage girls in attendance as Wayne LaPierre takes stage
12:35 p.m.: Quick joke about how everyone in attendance must have passed a background check to warm up the crowd
1 p.m.: Most unconscionable words you could ever imagine met with enthusiastic cheers from thousands of people
3 p.m.: Remembrance of the victims of Sandy Hook with an extended moment of loud, scrambling excuse-making
6 p.m.: Reasoned, level-headed debate on whether the Second Amendment continues to hold relevance
SATURDAY, May 4
11:40 a.m.: Man whose face and name will someday be plastered across news websites and televisions across the nation approaches convention registration table
12 p.m.: Performance of ³God Bless America² using guns with variously pitched discharges
4 p.m.: The 46 senators who voted against last monthıs defeated gun control bill collect their winnings
5 p.m.: One-hour triage break to treat afternoon gun wounds
6:30 p.m.: Beaten, tied-up gun control advocates Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA) lowered from roof into ravenous audience
8 p.m.: NRA/anti-NRA protest groups mixer
SUNDAY, May 5
 a.m.: Psychological counseling booths open to let gun enthusiasts talk out their deep-seated emotional problems
11 a.m.: Kids Korner workshop featuring popular Decorate Your Own Human Silhouette Target station
12 p.m.: Crowd treated to free T-shirts fired from fully automatic T-shirt cannon with high-capacity magazine
1 p.m.: Intensive five-hour town hall discussion on mental health reform
6:30 p.m.: Man who threatened to murder the President of the United States gives rousing speech to attendees
7 p.m.: Attendees leave convention knowing they have done their duty to protect the freedom of the American people
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 10, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
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Always nice to see when a senior and "wizened" member of our community shows restraint and moderation rather than post hateful and deliberately inflammatory ridicule that exhibits little compassion for victims of tragedy.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 10, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
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More like the overabundance of a violent gang and criminal based culture.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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May 10, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
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Quick let's let them buy guns!
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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May 22, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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They won't get it, why bother except for amusement?
TE
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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May 22, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 22, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
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is that a Bushmaster assault weapon, Pud?
all those things look the same to me, just asking
like the Bushmaster that Adam lanza used to slaughter 20 third graders?
that why you posted the pic, to show your disgust with the ease that ass holes like him get them?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 22, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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The two suspects were shot and wounded by the police,
You left out the part that they had a pistol (I thought they were like snakes in Ireland in Britain?) as well as a cleaver, an arsenal of knives and were on a rampage for 20 minutes, because the cops had to wait for someone to show up with a gun.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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May 22, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
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is that a Bushmaster assault weapon, Pud?
all those things look the same to me, just asking
like the Bushmaster that Adam lanza used to slaughter 20 third graders?
that why you posted the pic, to show your disgust with the ease that ass holes like him get them?
The picture is of a Russian made semi-automatic Saiga chambered in 7.62x39mm.
This is not an 'assault weapon' according to the BATFE.
It's ok that you are ignorant Norton. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Actually, this weapon would more likely be used on criminals such as Lanza, as many East Coast law enforcement agencies are currently purchasing these weapons.
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